Re: New Packages (i18n version of APT)

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Erich Schubert wrote:

> I REALLY REALLY would like to see translated apt in woody.
> And i cannot understand why apt-i18n is not installed so we could
> test it. Adding apt-i18n to unstable will not break anything, but
> interested developers can test this before adding it to real apt.

Because it is a bad idea? The people who made it still have not produced a
complete patch against normal APT, so instead of doing that they just
opted to try and force their work into the archive.

Current CVS has most, but not all of nescessary patching.

Jason



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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Junichi Uekawa]

Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:

> Looking at the build logs for antlr, the jikes bug in question (on
> alpha, right? #123041) has already been fixed. Somebody should
> reschedule that build.

My personal impression is that jikes in sid is very broken.
Some packages that used to build no longer build right now.

Java packages are in a pretty undesirable position...

regards,
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Re: gpg -e errors - All garbled output

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> I don't know if my locale is causing it or what. The problem is that as
> soon as I try to gpg -e to edit a key I get the following junk. 

[23:24:22] wesley:~ $ gpg --help|grep -e -e
 -e, --encryptencrypt data

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Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Dale> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of
 Dale> the GNU Free Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put
 Dale> a copy of this license into the common reference area?

Depends. Would you say that at least 1% of Debian packages use
 a license before it be deemed ``common''? How many packages use this
 license, then? 

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Re: Woody now more installable than potato

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Josip" == Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Josip> I checked had a stagnating number of subscribers than a few
 Josip> months before, the traffic on the web pages continues to
 Josip> slowly grow or stagnate in the new year, and the major
 Josip> mirrors' traffic is also growing bit by bit.

This is wonderful news. So we are not growing uncontrollably.

 Josip> So it seems that even though we are in a period of stagnation
 Josip> when it comes to attracting new users, journalists and hype,
 Josip> the community acts like we're doing just fine. :)

You seem to be suffering from some weird assumption that
 unbridled growth, or growth at all, is somehow desirable. 

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gpg -e errors - All garbled output

[david-downey]

Evening folks,

Got something weird for you. This has been happening over the last 5 or
6 revisions of gpg and I have absolutely *no* clue what is causing it.

I don't know if my locale is causing it or what. The problem is that as
soon as I try to gpg -e to edit a key I get the following junk. 

The entire screen goes garbly gook on me as soon as I feed it the key to
edit. I'm assuming tha the charactors are the garbled listing of the key
to be edited.

Here is a cut and paste of the problem...


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You did not specify a user ID. (you may use "-r")

Enter the user ID: C5A76BF6


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 03:42:38PM +0100, Will Newton wrote:
> On Saturday 06 Apr 2002 1:24 pm, Anthony Towns wrote:
> >  velocity   werken.xpathantlr
> 
> These are all pretty much bug free (antlr has a couple of wishlist
> bugs) but a jikes bug is keeping them out of testing. Does anyone who
> knows jikes have any idea if this can be fixed soon, or is it a big
> issue?

Looking at the build logs for antlr, the jikes bug in question (on
alpha, right? #123041) has already been fixed. Somebody should
reschedule that build.

The build on sparc is due to something else, don't have time to
investigate that right now; mips doesn't seem to have even attempted the
build.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:51:23AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> > On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > The keyword here is "prominent". 
> > 
> > Yes, it is.
> > 
> > > The
> > > Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
> > > Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on a server with
> > > non-free software and has a link to a website with a non-free product,
> > > that's something different then donating hardware.
> > 
> > You are not quite understanding the level of Lindows.com's involvement.
> > This is not DebConf 2, sponsored by Lindows.com. This is, pure and
> > simple, DebConf 2. The fact that Lindows.com happens to be helping out
> > with it is incidental. They were quite adamant that Lindows.com *not* be
> > given any special treatment or placement - they are helping out with
> > DebConf 2 because it's the right thing to do, because their distribution
> > is based on Debian. We are not prominently featuring Lindows.com - they
> > just happened to be the hosts for our registration page. That's it, end
> > of story.
> 
> Of course it's nice of them that they help, but I still think it's
> wrong that the registration page is hosted on a server with non-free
> software and with a link to a site trying to sell non-free
> products. Certainly because we can make the registration form with
> free software without any links to non-free stuff.

Please end this thread and go back to telling us all how much the
linux kernel sucks.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Joey Hess]

Martin Schulze wrote:
> If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
> place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.

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been relayed to this list through a server (with our name on it
nontheless) running nasty non-free software (that is in non-free, but
just barely).

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Chris Lawrence]

On Apr 07, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
> the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
> software also subverts my principles.
> 
> The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> software. Especially as we probably don't need it.

Not to beat this to death, but a large number of Debian packages
contain code that was developed by people who work for companies that
produce non-free software.  Among them:

gs
debconf
alien
kernel-image-*
anything we got from Red Hat (they own Cygnus, which does non-free stuff)
sourceforge
cupsys-*
apache
zope
python*
perl*
xfree86-*

Need I go on?

Yes, it's a shame Lindows.com hosts things on non-free servers.  My
general reaction to that is that if they're dumb enough to run IIS and
pay for it, that's on them, not us.


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Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

[Joseph Carter]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free
> Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license
> into the common reference area?
> 
> Who should I talk to about this?

Why put a blatantly non-free license in the common licenses directory?

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Re: Package metadata server

[Adam Heath]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Glenn McGrath wrote:

> (picked up from http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=633)
>
> The scalability problems of the Packages file is a recognised problem that
> has been discused many times on this list, i think the following idea
> could go a long way to solving it.
>
> The current method of checking for updates is to retrieve a new
> Packages.gz file and discard the old Packages.gz file. The problem with
> this method is that commonly less than 1% of the Packages.gz file has
> changed. A number of solutions have been proposed to overcome this
> problem, these include - Compressing the Packages.gz in an rsync friendly
> manner. - Making diffs from older Packages files available.
>  - Splitting the Packages.gz into multiple files.
>  - Reducing the size of the metadata for each package.

Or, just appending new gzipped data to the end of the current Packages.gz.

I'm looking at doing that, along with using xdelta to encode the modified
changes on the uncompressed data.

For 54 packages files(54 days of changes), for sid/main/i386, it would take
900k more(xdelta files are compressed themselves).  I consider that small.
Especially considering the compressed Packages.gz file is 1.6megs.

This can work over normal http, and ftp, with no modifications to the server.
Creating these xdeltas is easy.  I'm currently working on a proof of concept
client, using shell, wget, and friends.  I'll then modify apt.  The goal is to
have the apt download driver make use of this, so the user can use whatever
method he/she desires(http/https/ftp/scp).

Also, this is a work-sanctioned idea, so I can work on it on company time,
instead of only volunteer time.

If I were to sit down, and do nothing else, I'd probably have my
proof-of-concept client done within a day.  However, even tho work approves of
me doing this, there are lots of other things to do.

Watch this list for more details.



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Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

[Peter Cordes]

Adam Majer wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 01:53:00PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > 1) Large packages files
> > [... 3 level idea ...]
> 
> I would suggest a solution that is much easier to manage. That is, packages
> should be sorted according to the date that the package was modified.
> This could be accompished with adding "Last Update" field to
> Packages that would indicate when the package is installed.
>
> This way, we could implement a partial update for Packages by the server
> simply parsing the "cream" from the top of the milk :) This would make
> fetching Packages a lot faster.
>
> This would require a small CGI on the server that would support this type
> of fetch, but it could save a lot of bandwidth for the server and for
> the user.

 Here's how to make it possible without a CGI script; just support for
fetching the last bit of a file.

 If you don't store the last update times in the Pacakges file, you can
download just the last-update info, which should be a lot smaller than the
packages file.  Once you have this info, you know which part of the Packages
file is the same as the one on the server.  Then, you fetch from that point
to the end of the server's file.

 You can make the dates file small by storing the dates only to the day
accuracy, maybe as 32bit ints instead of text, or something.  It should be
pretty small after gzipping.  (high accuracy dates aren't needed because not
many packages are updated in a day, and downloading a few extra package
descriptions is no problem.)
 
 I think this all works :)  The only hard part is finding the right offset
in a gzipped file given that you know how much of the begging of two
uncompressed files match.

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Re: Package metadata server

[Glenn McGrath]

On 06 Apr 2002 19:45:29 -0500
"Colin Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 06:37, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> 
> > An idea that i havent heard mentioned here is to create a
> > client/server application for specifically handling our metadata, the
> > server can be queried by clients to send only the required metadata.
> 
> debian-corba already implements most of the bits you'd need.
> 
> http://cvs.verbum.org/debian/debian-corba
> 

Actually im thing now that the drawback of requiring a specialist client
to query a metadata server would be a big drawback.

It could probably be done with HTTP, using cgi scripts (i dont know much
about this), that way standard clients can be used to retrieve pieces of
the Packages's file by putting the querry in the url.

Busybox wget could be used from the rescue disk to retrieve selective
metadata, which would solve a couple of problems at once.


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Colin Walters]

[ Please don't CC me, I read this list ]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 20:03, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:

> We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software. I
> don't say we should refuse their sponsership totally, but if they
> provide hosting on non-free software I think that is a valid reason to
> refuse it. Same goes for the adverising link, actually the URL of the
> debconf 2 registration already advertised lindows.

I agree with you in general; future Debconf registration forms should be
hosted at debian.org.  But nothing good will come of refusing their
sponsorship at this point.





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Re: New Packages (i18n version of APT)

[Erich Schubert]

I REALLY REALLY would like to see translated apt in woody.
And i cannot understand why apt-i18n is not installed so we could
test it. Adding apt-i18n to unstable will not break anything, but
interested developers can test this before adding it to real apt.

I've been thinking about calling to sign a petiton to get this in for
woody. I don't care if this delays woody until June... ;)

Greetings,
Erich


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Erich Schubert]

> > galeon logtrend-httpagent  rie
> 
> Is there anything I can do to get galeon included in woody? Since there
> are no outstanding RC bugs, I assume there are dependency problems.

Galeon was unfortunately removed to a RC bug that did apply to a version
in sid, not in woody, that i had not tagged fast enough...
Thus galeon was removed.

I think galeon is in a pretty good shape now again; most problems people
are having with it come from mozilla and apply there, too.

I'm adding a galeon-nautilus package right now btw. Built from the same
source (i begin to like autoconf ;) this is the same as the galeon
package, but with nautilus-view enabled.

Greetings,
Erich


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Richard Braakman]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software.

Er, we _host_ non-free software on our servers, and distribute it via
our mirror network.  If you want to go on a crusade, then there are
targets closer to home.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Jeroen Dekkers]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> 
> > The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> > not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> > software. Especially as we probably don't need it.
> 
> Jeroen, please calm down.  I admit that while the registration page
> could have been a bit more tasteful (i.e. less blatant advertising), it
> would be a very bad idea for us to refuse their sponsorship.  Debian has
> been accepting donations from proprietary software companies for a long
> time.  We should thank them for their donation, and continue our work.

We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software. I
don't say we should refuse their sponsership totally, but if they
provide hosting on non-free software I think that is a valid reason to
refuse it. Same goes for the adverising link, actually the URL of the
debconf 2 registration already advertised lindows.
 
> It's also probably worth pointing out, as you seem to see yourself as
> "the Dutch RMS"

You should learn to read, I've never said that. I only said that some
people call me like that on IRC.

> that the Free Software Foundation also accepts
> donations from proprietary software companies: 
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters.html

But they don't run proprietary software on their server and they don't
advertise the non-free software of those software companies.

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Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

[Richard Braakman]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free
> Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license
> into the common reference area?

No, it would be premature.  There's a draft for a new version up for
review at the FSF site.

There's also a still-open discussion about whether the GFDL is free
enough for Debian if Invariant Sections are used.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Jeroen Dekkers]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > The keyword here is "prominent". 
> 
> Yes, it is.
> 
> > The
> > Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
> > Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on a server with
> > non-free software and has a link to a website with a non-free product,
> > that's something different then donating hardware.
> 
> You are not quite understanding the level of Lindows.com's involvement.
> This is not DebConf 2, sponsored by Lindows.com. This is, pure and
> simple, DebConf 2. The fact that Lindows.com happens to be helping out
> with it is incidental. They were quite adamant that Lindows.com *not* be
> given any special treatment or placement - they are helping out with
> DebConf 2 because it's the right thing to do, because their distribution
> is based on Debian. We are not prominently featuring Lindows.com - they
> just happened to be the hosts for our registration page. That's it, end
> of story.

Of course it's nice of them that they help, but I still think it's
wrong that the registration page is hosted on a server with non-free
software and with a link to a site trying to sell non-free
products. Certainly because we can make the registration form with
free software without any links to non-free stuff.

Jeroen Dekkers
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Re: Package metadata server

[Colin Walters]

On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 06:37, Glenn McGrath wrote:

> An idea that i havent heard mentioned here is to create a client/server
> application for specifically handling our metadata, the server can be
> queried by clients to send only the required metadata.

debian-corba already implements most of the bits you'd need.

http://cvs.verbum.org/debian/debian-corba




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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Colin Walters]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 11:22, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:

> OK. Since the build problems seem to be easily solved (see #141077), I
> hope both mozilla and galeon can be included in woody.

Indeed.  aj already knows that I'm on the next plane to Australia if
woody releases without Galeon :)



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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Colin Walters]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:

> The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> software. Especially as we probably don't need it.

Jeroen, please calm down.  I admit that while the registration page
could have been a bit more tasteful (i.e. less blatant advertising), it
would be a very bad idea for us to refuse their sponsorship.  Debian has
been accepting donations from proprietary software companies for a long
time.  We should thank them for their donation, and continue our work.

It's also probably worth pointing out, as you seem to see yourself as
"the Dutch RMS", that the Free Software Foundation also accepts
donations from proprietary software companies: 

http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters.html


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Re: Defoma Problems

[Erich Schubert]

> It's interesting how strongly these fonts are a recommendation of free
> fonts. Misnamed glyphs need to be moved, those previously mentioned
> blank glyphs need to go away, and many new characters could be created
> with little work (Berylium has the c, h, g, j, s, u, circumflex and
> breve glyphs needed for Esperanto. all that needs to be done is that
> they are combined. I believe Welsh, and I'm sure many other languages,
> would be equally simple).

Actually these changes are allowed by the licence i got from the author.
He doesn't allow changing the name or any of the main characters; he
explicitely allowed to add new chars by adding circumflexes etc. to old
characters.
Removing empty characters alltogether is probably ok, too ;)

Well, i fear nobody cares enough for non-free fonts to do that...

Greetings,
Erich


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Joe Drew]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> The keyword here is "prominent". 

Yes, it is.

> The
> Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
> Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on a server with
> non-free software and has a link to a website with a non-free product,
> that's something different then donating hardware.

You are not quite understanding the level of Lindows.com's involvement.
This is not DebConf 2, sponsored by Lindows.com. This is, pure and
simple, DebConf 2. The fact that Lindows.com happens to be helping out
with it is incidental. They were quite adamant that Lindows.com *not* be
given any special treatment or placement - they are helping out with
DebConf 2 because it's the right thing to do, because their distribution
is based on Debian. We are not prominently featuring Lindows.com - they
just happened to be the hosts for our registration page. That's it, end
of story.

If it's not acceptable for proprietary software companies to donate
time, effort, and money to our ventures, then we're in for a shock when
we eliminate all the donated Debian servers and mirrors which happen to
be hosted or paid for by proprietary vendors.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Jeroen Dekkers]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:17:46AM +0100, Thom May wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> > 
> > It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
> > the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
> > software also subverts my principles.
> > 
> > The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> > not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> > software. Especially as we probably don't need it.
> > 
> Congratulations. Stunning move. Please, go tell Sun, HP, and all the other
> companies who've provided us with hardware and bandwidth and who happen to
> make non-free software we don't need their help.
> Perhaps you'll be kind enough to donate a replacement for
> ftp-master.debian.org, www.debian.org, and everything else affected by this
> decision.

The keyword here is "prominent". I don't see any direct relation with
the Debian servers and HP, Sun, etc. I don't see a link on the
debian.org page pointing to Sun's or HP's new non-free product and
saying that it's copyright by HP/Sun and all rights are reserved. The
Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on a server with
non-free software and has a link to a website with a non-free product,
that's something different then donating hardware.

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Update excuses openh323gk (2.0b2-1 to 2.0b4-1) (mk68k)

[Mark Purcell]

According to 
http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=openh323gk&ver=2.0b4-1&arch=m68k&stamp=1017326211&file=log&as=raw
 
openh323gk-2.0.b4-1 was built for m68k on 28 Mar, however this package 
doesn't seem to of been uploaded to the archives which is why this package 
hasn't been released to testing.

Can someone assist in getting the m68k version into the archives??

Thanks,
Mark

 * openh323gk (2.0b2-1 to 2.0b4-1)
  + Maintainer: Mark Purcell
  + 11 days old (needed 10 days)
  + out of date on m68k: openh323gk (from 2.0b2-2)
  + Not considered


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Thom May]

* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> 
> It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
> the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
> software also subverts my principles.
> 
> The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> software. Especially as we probably don't need it.
> 
Congratulations. Stunning move. Please, go tell Sun, HP, and all the other
companies who've provided us with hardware and bandwidth and who happen to
make non-free software we don't need their help.
Perhaps you'll be kind enough to donate a replacement for
ftp-master.debian.org, www.debian.org, and everything else affected by this
decision.
Cheers,
-Thom


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Michael Banck]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:54:32AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > Why should we refuse? Lindows.com came to us, not the other way around.
> 
> Because it's a proprietary software company?

Hey, I heard that some of our machines got donated by
proprietary software/hardware companies! So lets cut off auric this
evening, OK?

> The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> software. Especially as we probably don't need it.

Cool, what's your international bank account number?

Michael

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[Dale Scheetz]

There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free
Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license
into the common reference area?

Who should I talk to about this?

Waiting is,

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Jeroen Dekkers]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:25:10PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
> > > registration page to no registration page at all.
> > 
> > Is it that difficult to make a registration page with free software?
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, no. But I didn't have time to learn how and
> do it, and Lindows.com decided that they wanted to pay one of their
> engineers to do it. It's quite simple: nobody else did it, so I took
> Lindows.com up on their offer.
  
> > Also, the form itself isn't free:
> > (C) 2002 Lindows.com, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.
> 
> Why is this a problem?

It's just the fact that is non-free. It doesn't have to be a problem,
it should just be free IMHO. There is no reason not to make it free,
and I see at least one reason to have it free: We could use the
registration form for debconf 3. 

> > So if microsoft starts spending real money on debconf 3, we all have
> > to start supporting them? 
> 
> This is almost a new case for Goodwin's law. But by "Support" I meant
> more along the lines of "thank"; I chose words wrongly.

That's right, you can thank people if they give something to you.
 
> > Sorry, I think this is ridiculous. Does
> > debconf really need money from a proprietary software company? 
> 
> Why should we refuse? Lindows.com came to us, not the other way around.

Because it's a proprietary software company?
 
> I think people are all getting way too upset about this. My main
> priority in everything I've said is twofold:
> 1) Give credit where credit is due, i.e. Lindows.com;
> 2) Keep Lindows.com from getting flamed by a bunch of people who didn't
> bother to do anything for Debconf, but think they can dictate how others
> will help anyways.
> 
> This doesn't mean I don't want discussion on it, but it DOES mean that I
> want to make it perfectly clear that it is very counterproductive for
> anybody to mail lindows.com with non-constructive criticism. Saying
> "Hey, I see you hosted the Debconf registration form - Thanks! But, it
> seems sort of strange that it's hosted on IIS. Why is this?" is one
> thing. Saying "Debian has no use for you and your proprietary page,
> lamers. Go to hell, proprietary software vendor!" is another entirely. I
> want to keep the Lindows.com <-> Debian relationship friendly and happy,
> just as they have strived to do.

We can also say in a friendly way that we don't want to have anything
to do with non-free software IMHO.

> Remember, Lindows.com wants to contribute to us. We should accept their
> support with open arms provided they don't try to subvert our
> principles. A web page on a proprietary OS doesn't subvert our
> principles, IMO.

It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
software also subverts my principles.

The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
software. Especially as we probably don't need it.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Joe Drew]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
> > registration page to no registration page at all.
> 
> Is it that difficult to make a registration page with free software?

To the best of my knowledge, no. But I didn't have time to learn how and
do it, and Lindows.com decided that they wanted to pay one of their
engineers to do it. It's quite simple: nobody else did it, so I took
Lindows.com up on their offer.
 
> Also, the form itself isn't free:
> (C) 2002 Lindows.com, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.

Why is this a problem?

> So if microsoft starts spending real money on debconf 3, we all have
> to start supporting them? 

This is almost a new case for Goodwin's law. But by "Support" I meant
more along the lines of "thank"; I chose words wrongly.

> Sorry, I think this is ridiculous. Does
> debconf really need money from a proprietary software company? 

Why should we refuse? Lindows.com came to us, not the other way around.

I think people are all getting way too upset about this. My main
priority in everything I've said is twofold:
1) Give credit where credit is due, i.e. Lindows.com;
2) Keep Lindows.com from getting flamed by a bunch of people who didn't
bother to do anything for Debconf, but think they can dictate how others
will help anyways.

This doesn't mean I don't want discussion on it, but it DOES mean that I
want to make it perfectly clear that it is very counterproductive for
anybody to mail lindows.com with non-constructive criticism. Saying
"Hey, I see you hosted the Debconf registration form - Thanks! But, it
seems sort of strange that it's hosted on IIS. Why is this?" is one
thing. Saying "Debian has no use for you and your proprietary page,
lamers. Go to hell, proprietary software vendor!" is another entirely. I
want to keep the Lindows.com <-> Debian relationship friendly and happy,
just as they have strived to do.

Remember, Lindows.com wants to contribute to us. We should accept their
support with open arms provided they don't try to subvert our
principles. A web page on a proprietary OS doesn't subvert our
principles, IMO.

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problem with gvd

[Carl B. Constantine]

I've had the following problem while trying to do a dist-upgrade this
morning:

([EMAIL PROTECTED])# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gvd_1.2.5-1_i386.deb
(Reading database ... 93580 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace gvd 1.2.5-1 (using .../archives/gvd_1.2.5-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement gvd ...
Setting up gvd (1.2.5-1) ...

No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
install-info: unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
dpkg: error processing gvd (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 gvd

ideas on a fix?

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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

[Michael Banck]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 11:19:49PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > Reasons enough to release woody+1 not too late.
> 
> Speaking of which, woody+1 sounds like it's going to be a release similar to
> link -- no huge changes to cause a prolongued release time.

So, the Debian Installer is already ready for prime-time? I haven't seen
to much talk about it on -boot lately, but I assumed that this might be
the thing which will hold up woody+1 for the most part. Good News.

Michael

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Re: Defoma Problems

[David Starner]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 05:37:56PM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote:
> Second i do not want to be shown the confirmation that the font uses
> "iso-8859-1" as default encoding...

Maybe it's a hint that you should be checking these things. (Actually,
deforma-hints should be checking these things for you, but it doesn't.)
Quickly looking at the ttf-larabie-straight fonts, AirCut Light should
be labeled iso646.1991-irv, since it's missing all the Latin-1
characters; Berylium should include ISO-8859-2, ISO-8859-9, and
ISO-8859-15. You can use ttf2bdf (freetype1-tools) and Markus Kuhn's
uniset (unpackaged) to get lists of which charsets the fonts cover.
Unfortunately, some of the fonts have blank labeled glyphs, which will
throw off almost any automatic charset checker.

It's interesting how strongly these fonts are a recommendation of free
fonts. Misnamed glyphs need to be moved, those previously mentioned
blank glyphs need to go away, and many new characters could be created
with little work (Berylium has the c, h, g, j, s, u, circumflex and
breve glyphs needed for Esperanto. all that needs to be done is that
they are combined. I believe Welsh, and I'm sure many other languages,
would be equally simple).

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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Richard Braakman]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:24:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Actually, as always, it'll release when it's ready: if we find that the
> software doesn't meet our expectations on April 30th, you'll find me on
> the ground writhing in pain with leaves, bark and wood all over the place
> [1].

Well, I really hope we make this May 1st release date, because I've
scheduled a really massive celebration party here in Helsinki[*].  There's
going to be people dancing in the streets and everything.  And of course
excessive intake of alcohol.  And then we'll all throw our hats in the air.

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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

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On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:49:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > >   Between Apache 2.0 and KDE 3 releasing, I don't think we need Anthony
> > > to tell us that a Debian release is imminent :-P
> > 
> > I heard something about a new release of Gnome coming out too. Gcc 3.1's
> > also due soon. We're also a touch behind with X. Heck, we're even a major
> > release behind with dpkg... :)
> 
> Reasons enough to release woody+1 not too late.

Speaking of which, woody+1 sounds like it's going to be a release similar to
link -- no huge changes to cause a prolongued release time.

But then, we still have to get woody out of the door...

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Joe Drew]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:03, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Joe Drew wrote:
> > Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
> > 
> > LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
> > SCORN.
> 
> While I don't want to squeze lindows support, I have to interpret
> this statement like "Joey, shut up!  Somebody has spent real money
> on Debconf and supporting it on non-free stuff, including license
> fees to a well-known Redmond based company, they deserve support
> for it".  Well, it doesn't make me feel better, I have to admit.

No. This is directed at the people who would mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
mesages like "Go home proprietary l0s0rz! j00 are l4m3! Debian doesn't
need you! Signed, [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Sorry if it seemed that way, Joey.

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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

[Jeroen Dekkers]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:30:17AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:56:55AM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> >   Between Apache 2.0 and KDE 3 releasing, I don't think we need Anthony
> > to tell us that a Debian release is imminent :-P
> 
> I heard something about a new release of Gnome coming out too. Gcc 3.1's
> also due soon. We're also a touch behind with X. Heck, we're even a major
> release behind with dpkg... :)

Reasons enough to release woody+1 not too late. Then we can probably
include the Hurd too and hopefully also one of the *BSD ports. ;-))

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Michael Banck]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> I'm somewhat puzzled:
> 
> Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0

> Form submission goes to:
> Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
> 
> If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
> place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.
> 
> I'd be glad if somebody could prove me wrong

I can't prove you wrong, but perhaps you could talk to some wine people?
AFAIK Lindows also sponsored wineconf, so perhaps they have already
tackled that problem?

Apart from that, Lindows seems to cooperate with the Wine project
nicely. Sure, they have a root account without a password (from what
I've heard), but I don't think they gonna shoot us once we're all
inside... :)

Michael, too far away from Canada :(


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Martin Schulze]

Joe Drew wrote:
> Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
> 
> LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
> SCORN.

While I don't want to squeze lindows support, I have to interpret
this statement like "Joey, shut up!  Somebody has spent real money
on Debconf and supporting it on non-free stuff, including license
fees to a well-known Redmond based company, they deserve support
for it".  Well, it doesn't make me feel better, I have to admit.

Even more puzzled,

Joey

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Martin Schulze]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
> > 
> > If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> > to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> > non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
> > place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.
> 
> I hope you're not implying this is a "showstopper" bug for the conference?

I wasn't implying anything, only wondering.  However, now I'm depressed
and will check if I should better do some off-line work for tonight.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Jeroen Dekkers]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 02:02:08PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 13:39, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Form submission goes to:
> > Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
> > 
> > If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> > to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> > non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
> > place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.
> 
> I saw this too, and was a bit unnerved, but might I direct you to the
> first thing I said: "Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the web page
> and all their gracious help." Lindows.com have spent real money on
> Debconf already, in bandwidth and server costs, and also in the engineer
> costs for the back-and-forth that went on getting that page to have the
> information I needed. For all the offers of support I got, Lindows.com
> is the only one who actually followed through.
> 
> I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
> registration page to no registration page at all.

Is it that difficult to make a registration page with free software?

Also, the form itself isn't free:
(C) 2002 Lindows.com, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.

> Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
> 
> LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
> SCORN.

You don't have to shout.

So if microsoft starts spending real money on debconf 3, we all have
to start supporting them? Sorry, I think this is ridiculous. Does
debconf really need money from a proprietary software company? Why
does Debian promote of non-free software (indirectly)? I thought
Debian was about free software.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Josip Rodin]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
> 
> If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
> place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.

I hope you're not implying this is a "showstopper" bug for the conference?

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Re: Bug#141070: ITP: aptconf -- debconf infrastructure for setting up apt sources

[Mark Eichin]

> (insert standard promotial rant about Super Sparrow here).

google finds supersparrow 0.0.0 from Feb 2001 on supersparrow.org and
sourceforge, and nothing more recent -- is there any life to it?  it
certainly sounds interesting...


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

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> 
> It'd be a very, very bad idea for anybody to start doing or saying
> anything non-constructive to Lindows.com. They as a company, and every
> person I've dealt with through Lindows.com, employee or otherwise, have
> been nothing but corteous and helpful, and have helped make Debconf 2 a
> possibility.
> 

if only I could afford to be in Toronto this summer.


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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Joe Drew]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 13:39, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Joe Drew wrote:
> > The 2nd Annual Debian Conference registration page is now available at
> > http://lindows.com/debconf2 . Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the
> > web page and all their gracious help.
>
> [...] queso reports
> a non-free operating system:
> 
> luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~> sudo queso lindows.com
> 130.94.123.205:80   * Reliant Unix from Siemens-Nixdorf

I doubt very much that this is accurate. It's likely a router or some
firewall rules that are confusing queso. (Who actually uses "Reliant
Unix" on a public host anyays?)

> Form submission goes to:
> Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
> 
> If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
> place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.

I saw this too, and was a bit unnerved, but might I direct you to the
first thing I said: "Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the web page
and all their gracious help." Lindows.com have spent real money on
Debconf already, in bandwidth and server costs, and also in the engineer
costs for the back-and-forth that went on getting that page to have the
information I needed. For all the offers of support I got, Lindows.com
is the only one who actually followed through.

I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
registration page to no registration page at all.

Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:

LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
SCORN.

It'd be a very, very bad idea for anybody to start doing or saying
anything non-constructive to Lindows.com. They as a company, and every
person I've dealt with through Lindows.com, employee or otherwise, have
been nothing but corteous and helpful, and have helped make Debconf 2 a
possibility.

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Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

[Martin Schulze]

Joe Drew wrote:
> The 2nd Annual Debian Conference registration page is now available at
> http://lindows.com/debconf2 . Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the
> web page and all their gracious help.

I'm somewhat puzzled:

luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~> HEAD lindows.com
200 OK
Connection: close
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:32:19 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b
Content-Type: text/html
Client-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:32:59 GMT
Client-Response-Num: 1
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.0.6

lindows.com runs free software, which is fine.  However queso reports
a non-free operating system:

luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~> sudo queso lindows.com
130.94.123.205:80   * Reliant Unix from Siemens-Nixdorf

However, trying to reach that page, I'm redirected as shown below:

luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~> telnet lindows.com http
Trying 130.94.123.205...
Connected to 130.94.123.205.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET http://lindows.com/debconf2/ HTTP/1.0

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:34:38 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b
Location: http://net2.com/debconf2/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

That host, net2.com, doesn't look promising like the first one:

luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~> HEAD http://net2.com/
200 OK
Connection: close
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:20:18 GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
ETag: "60e089ffba81c01:6139"
Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0
Content-Length: 405
Content-Location: http://net2.com/Default.htm
Content-Type: text/html
Last-Modified: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:56:11 GMT
Client-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:36:03 GMT
Client-Response-Num: 1

luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~> sudo queso net2.com
64.45.57.181:80 * Cisco 11.2(10a), HP/3000 DTC, BayStack Switch

Form submission goes to:
Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html

If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.

I'd be glad if somebody could prove me wrong

Regards,

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Request for NMU: sidplay-base

[Will Newton]

Quite simple fixes:

- Fixes build on hppa and quite possibly others.
- Bump version number to replace older packages correctly. (RC bug)
- Fix a minor bug in the description.

Packages and diff are here:

http://www.misconception.org.uk/will/debian/


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Chris Lawrence]

On Apr 06, Anthony Towns wrote:
> pfaedit

The "RC" bug appears to be in an out-of-date version of the package.
Furthermore, it's been closed for over a week...

> popularity-contest

Fixed for several days in NMU.


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New Packages (i18n version of APT)

[Michael Piefel]

The release seems to draw near, but we won't see one of our central
packages translated, namely APT.

Why won't we? Well, perhaps because nobody tried to i18n it, perhaps?
No, that's not it. Well, maybe there are no translations ready. No,
that's not it either.

Patches are ready, 13 translations are ready, the package is uploaded -
but it's waiting. I uploaded it on 20 Jan. That is 2½ months. It's now
sitting in queue/new, and I'm very annoyed. How come we allow such long
delays? Is something wrong with the package? Not that I knew of. There's
been no feedback on this.

It all reminds me of the NMU queue. Some people waiting there for months
(possibly with good reasons, but with no notice on them), others going
through within days. It seems so arbitrary.

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Bug#141494: ITP: fuse -- Filesystem in USErspace

[Roland Bauerschmidt]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: fuse
  Version : 0.95
  Upstream Author : Miklos Szeredi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> among others
* URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/avf
* License : GPL
  Description : Filesystem in USErspace

I have roughly split fuse into the following binary packages so far:

Package: fuse-dev
Section: devel
Architecture: any
Depends: fuse-utils (= ${Source-Version})
Description: Filesystem in USErspace (development files)
 Simple interface for userspace programs to export a virtual
 filesystem to the linux kernel. 

Package: fuse-utils
Section: utils
Architecture: any
Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
Description: Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)
 Simple interface for userspace programs to export a virtual
 filesystem to the linux kernel. 

Package: fuse-source
Section: utils
Architecture: all
Depends: make, gcc | c-compiler
Recommends: dpkg-dev, kernel-package
Suggests: devscripts
Description: Filesystem in USErspace (source for kernel module)
 Simple interface for userspace programs to export a virtual
 filesystem to the linux kernel. 

Package: fuse-python
Section: utils
Architecture: any
Depends: python2.2
Description: Filesystem in USErspace (python bindings)
 Simple interface for userspace programs to export a virtual
 filesystem to the linux kernel. 

Package: fuse-perl
Section: utils
Architecture: any
Depends: perl
Description: Filesystem in USErspace (perl bindings)
 Simple interface for userspace programs to export a virtual
 filesystem to the linux kernel. 

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Bug#141488: ITP: libsigc++-1.1 -- Development branch of SigC++

[Daniel Burrows]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-06
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: libsigc++-1.1
  Version : 1.1.6
  Upstream Author : Karl Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://libsigc.sourceforge.net
* License : LGPL
  Description : Development branch of SigC++

  I've been getting infrequent but increasing numbers of requests for
this package, and so, well, I'm creating it.  I don't know for sure
about binary compatibility since I haven't touched this branch yet, but
I suspect that each release is likely to use a different soname.
  caveat linkor.

  I expect to use package names of the form libsigc++-1.1-$soname, and
to immediately file an RC bug against it to keep it out of testing
(woody or woody+1)
  When SigC++ 1.2 is released, I'll rename the package to
libsigc++-1.2-$soname.

  Daniel

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Re: Spamassassin config files in /usr/share

[Joey Hess]

Blars Blarson wrote:
> The spamassasin maintainer doesn't think that there are settings
> in /usr/share that can't be overridden by the settings in /etc
> should be considered "serious".  See bug #141125 and spamassassin 
> bug #188.

If you really must exactly offset amazon's whitelisted score, you can
probably do it by writing a separate rule like this:

header AMAZON_OFFSET_WHITELIST From =~ /amazon/
score AMAZON_OFFSET_WHITELIST 100

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Re: Release notes

[Simon Richter]

On 6 Apr 2002, Rob Bradford wrote:

> * Split/Renamed packages *since* Potato - Have any of you packages been
> renamed or split. Note this includes merges as the net result is a
> rename.

The python-imaging documentation has been split, as not all of the
documentation is in the upstream archive.

python-imaging-doc contains the example code from the upstream source,
python-imaging-doc-{html,pdf} contain the handbook, which is downloadable
separately. python-imaging-doc suggests the other two, but people doing a
dist-upgrade might miss the HTML docs.

   Simon

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Re: Bug#141345: ITP: sextractor -- Builds a catalogue of objects from an astronomical image.

[Mako Hill]

> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:04, Stephen Quinney wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-05
> > Severity: wishlist
> >
> > * Package name: sextractor

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 02:59:32AM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> What does a sex tractor have to do with astronomy?
> 
> What is a sex tractor anyway?  A google search turned up some amusing 
> results, especially the first one, but didn't seem to describe what you are 
> packaging.

I'm glad to hear that I'm not the ONLY one that did a double take when I
read this one. :)

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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

[Anthony Towns]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 06:41:27PM +0200, David N. Welton wrote:
> Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > "we can tell that a Debian release is about to happen".  Or
> > something.
> "I sense a disturbance in the force" ?

"As though millions of voices cried out, and ran apt-get."

Cheers,
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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

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Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "we can tell that a Debian release is about to happen".  Or
> something.

"I sense a disturbance in the force" ?

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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

[Anthony Towns]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:56:55AM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote:
>   Between Apache 2.0 and KDE 3 releasing, I don't think we need Anthony
> to tell us that a Debian release is imminent :-P

I heard something about a new release of Gnome coming out too. Gcc 3.1's
also due soon. We're also a touch behind with X. Heck, we're even a major
release behind with dpkg... :)

Cheers,
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reassign

[Thomas Hood]

reassign 141479 apmd
thanks

I noticed this bug at:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no\&bug=141479


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Bas Zoetekouw]

Hi Colin!

You wrote:

> galeon 1.2.0-2 depends on mozilla-browser (>= 2:0.9.9), which isn't in
> testing because:

[mozilla doesn't build on hppa and is not yet built on m68k, sparc]

> In other words, it's currently mostly mozilla that's broken, not galeon.
> I guess that if mozilla is fixed then galeon may be able to get in
> during the few days' window aj referred to.

OK. Since the build problems seem to be easily solved (see #141077), I
hope both mozilla and galeon can be included in woody.

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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

[Daniel Burrows]

  I just realized this might be ambigous -- what I meant was not that
"we shouldn't be about to release woody", but rather that
"we can tell that a Debian release is about to happen".  Or something.

  Maybe I should keep my mouth shut when running on too little sleep :)

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Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

[Daniel Burrows]

  Between Apache 2.0 and KDE 3 releasing, I don't think we need Anthony
to tell us that a Debian release is imminent :-P

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Re: Woody now more installable than potato

[Carlos Sousa]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 14:22:25 +0200
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> On related note, I've been looking at the various Debian statistics
> ...
> So it seems that even though we are in a period of stagnation when it
> comes to attracting new users, journalists and hype, the community
> acts like we're doing just fine. :)

Debian IS doing just fine. The woody release is, in what directly
concerns me, a non-issue since I upgrade all available packages every
day, and every day there are any number of packages, from a few to a few
dozen, available for upgrade.

That's my meter, and it shows a living and thriving distribution that
makes me feel confident about my system, something I've only started to
feel after switching to Debian Linux.

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Re: Spamassassin config files in /usr/share

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 06-Apr-2002 Malcolm Parsons wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:45:08PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
>> Currently, I edit the file in /usr/share to implement my site-wide
>> policies, but this will be overridden every time spamassassin is
>> upgraded.
> 
> Why not use dpkg-divert?
>  

that is obviously a good short term solution.  But should a user need to do this
for the long term?


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Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

[Jeff Licquia]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 03:13, Otto Wyss wrote:
> Please show use any figures first before you assert this.
> 
> I know rsync imposes some load for the computing of the md5sum but
> sendind only the difference outweighs it repeatedly. 

It's my understanding that rsync imposes a large computational burden on
the server in exchange for a large bandwidth savings.  At a certain
number of rsync clients, this burden can become too onerous for the
server to handle.

Also, the benefits almost all accrue to the client.  The server gains a
small benefit (bandwidth savings), and pays a cost that's both high and
hard to manage.  (Our users wouldn't stand for connection limits, I
don't think.)

I don't have any figures to show to prove this.  Then again, neither do
you, so I guess we're even.


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ilisp debian package

[Will Newton]

(I have CCd to debian-devel in case you are on holiday or otherwise 
indisposed to close these)

ilisp is being removed from woody because of a bug that is fixed but not 
closed. According to your changelog the following bugs are fixed, but are not 
closed:

125744
140049
138669
137011
98132
128856
129980
87652
123631
121266


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Will Newton]

On Saturday 06 Apr 2002 3:42 pm, Will Newton wrote:

> > ilisp
>

ilisp is in fact fixed, it's just the bug has not been closed yet due to a 
typo in the changelog. I'll email the maintainer.


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Bug#141479: general: Problem when try to install apmd

[Kase-O]

Package: general
Version: 20020406
Severity: normal


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CEST 2002 i686 unknown

When I try to install apmd, and hdparm already installed, I get error
"Broken Pipe"


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Will Newton]

On Saturday 06 Apr 2002 1:24 pm, Anthony Towns wrote:

>  velocity werken.xpathantlr

These are all pretty much bug free (antlr has a couple of wishlist bugs) but 
a jikes bug is keeping them out of testing. Does anyone who knows jikes have 
any idea if this can be fixed soon, or is it a big issue?

> ilisp

I'll look into getting this fixed - I'm working on a related package. I know 
there is a third party ilisp package that is bug fixed. Does anyone know the 
state of decay of this? I think I can get a bug fixed package together by 
sometime tomorrow. The bug is a fairly simple packaging error that has been 
open for 10 days.


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 03:17:02PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
> Yes, of course. It only says a newer version is in sid, and that it will
> be considered tomorrow.

It also says:

Depends: galeon mozilla

galeon 1.2.0-2 depends on mozilla-browser (>= 2:0.9.9), which isn't in
testing because:

mozilla (2:0.9.8-2 to 2:0.9.9-4)
Maintainer: Takuo KITAME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3 days old (needed 2 days)
out of date on hppa: libnspr-dev, libnspr4, libnss-dev, libnss3, mozilla, 
mozilla-browser, mozilla-chatzilla, mozilla-dev, mozilla-dom-inspector, 
mozilla-js-debugger, mozilla-mailnews, mozilla-psm, mozilla-xmlterm (from 
2:0.9.9-3)
out of date on m68k: libnspr-dev, libnspr4, libnss-dev, libnss3, mozilla, 
mozilla-browser, mozilla-chatzilla, mozilla-dev, mozilla-dom-inspector, 
mozilla-js-debugger, mozilla-mailnews, mozilla-psm, mozilla-xmlterm (from 
2:0.9.9-3)
out of date on sparc: libnspr-dev, libnspr4, libnss-dev, libnss3, mozilla, 
mozilla-browser, mozilla-chatzilla, mozilla-dev, mozilla-dom-inspector, 
mozilla-js-debugger, mozilla-mailnews, mozilla-psm, mozilla-xmlterm (from 
2:0.9.9-3)
mozilla (source, alpha, arm, hppa, i386, m68k, powerpc, s390, sparc) is 
buggy! (1 > 0)
Not considered

In other words, it's currently mostly mozilla that's broken, not galeon.
I guess that if mozilla is fixed then galeon may be able to get in
during the few days' window aj referred to.

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Bug#141476: ITP: ijs-dev -- IJS raster image transport protocol

[Roger Leigh]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-06
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: ijs-dev
  Version : 0.33
  Upstream Author : Raph Levien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.linuxprinting.org/ijs
* License : MIT
  Description : IJS raster image transport protocol

IJS is, first and foremost, a protocol for transmission of raster page
images. This snapshot provides a reference implementation of the
protocol, the design of which is still in flux. When the protocol
specification is published, it will be authoritative. Applications
should feel free to link against the library provided in this package,
adapt that code for their own needs, or roll a completely new
implementation.

IJS is a client-server protocol, used to write ghostscript drivers.  The
drivers are separate programs.  The client and server communicate via
pipes, though shared memory may be used additionally in the future.
Currently IJS is used by the hpijs driver and gimp-print.  Once this is
packaged, the ijsgimpprint driver can also be packaged (part of the
gimp-print source package).

Code for both the client- and server-side is included in the library.
Currently, only a static version of the library is packaged, due to the
API/ABI not being stable yet.

An initial package and Debianised source is available from
http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~rl117/ijs/
Note that the upstream source is not actually upstream, as I needed to
add automake and libtool support to it.  Hopefully upstream will apply
these patches.

Regards,
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Apache2 Debian Packages

[Thom May]

As those of you who read slashdot know, Apache 2.0 was released last night.
Debian packages are available for testing at pandora.debian.org/~thom/apache 

deb http://pandora.debian.org/~thom/apache2 ./

Please can people test these packages (after we've finished killing bugs for
woody, naturally).
Cheers,
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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Darren Salt]

I demand that Anthony Towns may or may not have written...

[snip]
> I'm becoming increasingly confident in woody's release readiness. So, to go
> out on a limb:

>   Debian 3.0 (codenamed woody) will release on May 1st, 2002.

Oh good. What will it be releasing? :-)

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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Mark Brown]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:24:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:

> Over the past few weeks most of the following packages have been removed
> from the upcoming release due to bugs and such [0].

> lclint

I'm working on an NMU just now.

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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Bas Zoetekouw]

Hi Petter!

You wrote:

> [Bas Zoetekouw]
> > Is there anything I can do to get galeon included in woody? Since there
> > are no outstanding RC bugs, I assume there are dependency problems.
> 
> Did you check
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html.gz#galeon>?

Yes, of course. It only says a newer version is in sid, and that it will
be considered tomorrow. Will that new package be automatically be
included again, or does that require manual intervention?

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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Bas Zoetekouw]
> Is there anything I can do to get galeon included in woody? Since there
> are no outstanding RC bugs, I assume there are dependency problems.

Did you check
http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html.gz#galeon>?


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Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

[Bas Zoetekouw]

Hi Anthony!

You wrote:

> Over the past few weeks most of the following packages have been removed
> from the upcoming release due to bugs and such [0].

> galeon logtrend-httpagent  rie

Is there anything I can do to get galeon included in woody? Since there
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Re: Woody now more installable than potato

[Josip Rodin]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 01:57:41PM +0200, Paolo Redaelli wrote:
> > Looking at the testing and stable problems pages on master, I now notice
> > that for each and every architecture in potato, there are less
> > uninstallable packages in woody that in potato.
> > 
> > All in all, nearly doubling the architecture count results in less than
> > 100 more uninstallables in woody.
> 
> A wonderful achievement! 
> 
> You're one of the few people here seeing the glass half full instead of
> half empty

On related note, I've been looking at the various Debian statistics
recently. I noticed a pattern: in the last few months, the mailing lists
I checked had a stagnating number of subscribers than a few months before,
the traffic on the web pages continues to slowly grow or stagnate in the
new year, and the major mirrors' traffic is also growing bit by bit.

So it seems that even though we are in a period of stagnation when it comes
to attracting new users, journalists and hype, the community acts like we're
doing just fine. :)

Festina lente.

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Re: Woody now more installable than potato

[Paolo Redaelli]

Il sab, 2002-04-06 alle 13:10, Anthony DeRobertis ha scritto:
> Looking at the testing and stable problems pages on master, I now notice
> that for each and every architecture in potato, there are less
> uninstallable packages in woody that in potato.
> 
> All in all, nearly doubling the architecture count results in less than
> 100 more uninstallables in woody.
A wonderful achievement! 

You're one of the few people here seeing the glass half full instead of
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Re: Spamassassin config files in /usr/share

[Malcolm Parsons]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:45:08PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
> Currently, I edit the file in /usr/share to implement my site-wide
> policies, but this will be overridden every time spamassassin is
> upgraded.

Why not use dpkg-divert?
 


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Woody now more installable than potato

[Anthony DeRobertis]

Looking at the testing and stable problems pages on master, I now notice
that for each and every architecture in potato, there are less
uninstallable packages in woody that in potato.

All in all, nearly doubling the architecture count results in less than
100 more uninstallables in woody.

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Re: Spamassassin config files in /usr/share

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:45:08PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
> The spamassasin maintainer doesn't think that there are settings
> in /usr/share that can't be overridden by the settings in /etc
> should be considered "serious".  See bug #141125 and spamassassin 
> bug #188.
> 
> Currently, I edit the file in /usr/share to implement my site-wide
> policies, but this will be overridden every time spamassassin is
> upgraded.
> 
> Why shouldn't this be considered a violation of policy 11.7.1?

Lots of things aren't configurable that should be. For example, you have
to recompile a lot of packages to change some of their build-time
options, which is even more work than changing a file in /usr/share. Not
every one of these is a release-critical bug.

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Re: Spamassassin config files in /usr/share

[Anthony Towns]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:45:08PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
> The spamassasin maintainer doesn't think that there are settings
> in /usr/share that can't be overridden by the settings in /etc
> should be considered "serious".  See bug #141125 and spamassassin 
> bug #188.

It's not a configuration file, therefore it needn't be in /etc. Obviously
it'd be better if it were a configuration file, but that's a wishlist bug.

Cheers,
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Re: grass entering debian

[Federico Di Gregorio]

Il sab, 2002-04-06 alle 09:39, Martin Schulze ha scritto:
> Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> > the grass debian package is currently sitting in incoming (or being
> > transferred there, 30Mb being quite a lot for my 128Kbit cdn). there are
> > still 20-25 lintian warnings and 5-6 errors, mainly related to the use
> > of csh as a scripting shell. it works for me and i hope it will work for
> > you. have fun,
> 
> Oh dear!  Does it need to be one single extremely large package?

no. i'll split the docs in a separate package in future release. and
note that i didn't included the example data because that would need
almost a full cd just for that... :)

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Bug#141450: ITP: jackit -- JACK low-latency sound server

[Stefan Schwandter]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-06
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: jackit
  Version : 0.24.2
  Upstream Author : Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://jackit.sourceforge.net/
* License : GPL/LGPL
  Description : JACK low-latency sound server

JACK allows the connection of multiple applications to an audio device,
as well as allowing them to share audio between themselves. It will be
the output "device" for professionial sound applications like ardour
(ardour.sourceforge.net), it soon will be  supported by alsaplayer,
ecasound, etc.

Note that I can't call my package "jack" because there already is a jack
package in debian, so I called it jackit for now. I'm still discussing
the name with upstream though.

I'm no DD yet but I already have found a sponsor for the package.

It's already available at 

http://www.shockfrosted.org/debian

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Re: Bug#141345: ITP: sextractor -- Builds a catalogue of objects from an astronomical image.

[Stephen]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Russell Coker wrote:

>What does a sex tractor have to do with astronomy?
>
>What is a sex tractor anyway?  A google search turned up some amusing 
>results, especially the first one, but didn't seem to describe what you are 
>packaging.

I've never been able to tell whether the author of the software has an
interesting sense of humour or not. sextractor stands for Source
Extractor, it's usually referred to as SExtractor but he went and named
the binary 'sex' so jokes abound in the astronomy community about 'doing
sex', etc,.. I must admit i haven't heard the 'sex tractor' gag before, i
dread to think what comes up in a google search for that... Full details
are given in the URL in the ITP for anyone interested.

Stephen Quinney


>
>On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:04, Stephen Quinney wrote:
>> Package: wnpp
>> Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-05
>> Severity: wishlist
>>
>> * Package name: sextractor
>>   Version : 2.2.2
>>   Upstream Author : E. Bertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> * URL : http://terapix.iap.fr/soft/sextractor/index.html
>> * License : Other (see below)
>>   Description : Builds a catalogue of objects from an astronomical
>> image.
>>
>> License:
>>
>> This software is Copyrighted (C) E.BERTIN 1994-2001
>> It is freely distributable.
>> If you make any change to this program, please indicate it clearly
>> in the source and rename the executable to something else.
>>
>>  **
>>  * This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,*
>>  * but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of *
>>  * MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.   *
>>  **
>

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Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

[Otto Wyss]

> > Some questions that need to be asked:
> > Howmany of our mirrors are rsyncable?
> How much load can the servers handle?
> How much more load does rsync do than a fast http server like tux?
> 
Please show use any figures first before you assert this.

I know rsync imposes some load for the computing of the md5sum but
sendind only the difference outweighs it repeatedly. 

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Re: Description to man pages

[Otto Wyss]

> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:03:53PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > I've now choosen "7dsc" since packages aren't commands.
> 
> How about something more descriptive than "dsc"?  Say, "package",
> "pkg", or "deb" (in my order of preference)?
> 

I'm also not very happy with "dsc" but I neither are with the others.
What do anybody else think? 

If there isn't another man page "man " will show the package
description. You could get a list of all man pages for a keyword with
"man -f ".

The best would be if "man  would bring up a list of man pages
with a choose facility when more than one page exists. Maybe this change
in behavior could be set through an environment variable.

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Spamassassin config files in /usr/share

[Blars Blarson]

The spamassasin maintainer doesn't think that there are settings
in /usr/share that can't be overridden by the settings in /etc
should be considered "serious".  See bug #141125 and spamassassin 
bug #188.

Currently, I edit the file in /usr/share to implement my site-wide
policies, but this will be overridden every time spamassassin is
upgraded.

Why shouldn't this be considered a violation of policy 11.7.1?


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Re: grass entering debian

[Martin Schulze]

Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> the grass debian package is currently sitting in incoming (or being
> transferred there, 30Mb being quite a lot for my 128Kbit cdn). there are
> still 20-25 lintian warnings and 5-6 errors, mainly related to the use
> of csh as a scripting shell. it works for me and i hope it will work for
> you. have fun,

Oh dear!  Does it need to be one single extremely large package?

Regards,

Joey

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