Uploaded smurf 0.52.6-4 (m68k) to ftp-master
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:51:00 -0500 Source: smurf Binary: smurf Architecture: m68k Version: 0.52.6-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Hwei Sheng Teoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: smurf - A SoundFont editor for Linux / *nix Closes: 169450 170129 Changes: smurf (0.52.6-4) unstable; urgency=low . * Fixed broken build-depends (Closes: #170129) * Reclose #169450 (somehow it thought my upload was an NMU??) (Closes: #169450) Files: 9c8a609ce158f8bdade64738a0ac9e51 194956 sound optional smurf_0.52.6-4_m68k.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE980DZWgZ1HEtaPf0RAkxHAJ4/+X8zoRFlP7nk3b2jImP1zFa/9QCgggGt grkQYtQhT8GUzW83sErhNb4= =Xaee -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Uploaded qt-embedded 2.3.2-4 (m68k all) to ftp-master
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:36:00 -0700 Source: qt-embedded Binary: libqt2-emb qt-emb-doc libqt-emb-dev Architecture: m68k all Version: 2.3.2-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: libqt-emb-dev - Qt-Embedded GUI development headers, static libraries libqt2-emb - Qt-Embedded GUI Library (runtime version) qt-emb-doc - Tutorial and reference documentation and examples for Qt-Embedded Closes: 127696 Changes: qt-embedded (2.3.2-4) unstable; urgency=low . * Adopted (Closes: #127696) * Lintian cleanup Files: 200a1d7f60ac42c4ecfa7306615c3a24 6968140 libs optional libqt2-emb_2.3.2-4_m68k.deb 1784bc3890d2cef366da4b6b3eb8b020 2828272 devel optional libqt-emb-dev_2.3.2-4_m68k.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE980DLWgZ1HEtaPf0RAlTAAJ9G3L42jgWDEgctIYBH22ytygamAwCfVrCo fToA7PYpQwymz86e+l8+pE4= =K9hn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Uploaded nas 1.6-5 (m68k) to ftp-master
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:19:52 + Source: nas Binary: nas-doc libaudio-dev nas libaudio2 nas-bin Architecture: m68k Version: 1.6-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: libaudio-dev - The Network Audio System (NAS). (development files) libaudio2 - The Network Audio System (NAS). (shared libraries) nas- The Network Audio System (NAS). (local server) nas-bin- The Network Audio System (NAS). (client binaries) Closes: 170010 170622 171388 Changes: nas (1.6-5) unstable; urgency=low . * Changed Build-Depends from libxaw-dev to libxaw7-dev. Closes: #170010. * libaudio2 now Conflicts with nas-lib. Closes: #171388. * libaudio-dev now Conflicts with nas-dev. Closes: #170622. * Stop creating the /usr/doc symlinks. Files: 0783fc105d70fd73153f82b7a7bbc737 80940 sound optional nas_1.6-5_m68k.deb 1537870d4cdd796192df39006bfa393e 403728 sound extra nas-bin_1.6-5_m68k.deb 8cd47ba821d9dc9a60a89eb105e0aea7 63226 libs optional libaudio2_1.6-5_m68k.deb 84be13c0dd2b91409ff760fbbccb6972 887702 devel extra libaudio-dev_1.6-5_m68k.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE980CjWgZ1HEtaPf0RAn/qAJ9gun/rrDj4rLiL/F5wJrL5+h2CnACfUcQR IS07855IRYrNkRVhNPbYiy4= =60GL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:37:04 + Source: wmmemmon Binary: wmmemmon Architecture: m68k Version: 1.0pre1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Søren Boll Overgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: wmmemmon - A dockapp to monitor memory/swap usages. Changes: wmmemmon (1.0pre1-1) unstable; urgency=low . * New upstream release Files: 99ad9c4826cbccbc9e20cc6570d68647 39390 x11 optional wmmemmon_1.0pre1-1_m68k.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE980DnWgZ1HEtaPf0RAlTBAJ9trKR8phrzmCBOT4CXbeyczxhd5QCfYLiY MfYuGX44hrTEvDvwO0dfaYc= =p86v -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Uploaded tomcat4 4.1.16-1 (m68k) to ftp-master
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:54:34 +0100 Source: tomcat4 Binary: tomcat4-admin tomcat4 libapache2-mod-webapp tomcat4-webapps libtomcat4-java Architecture: m68k Version: 4.1.16-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Stefan Gybas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: libapache2-mod-webapp - Apache 2.0 connector for the Tomcat servlet engine Closes: 168644 Changes: tomcat4 (4.1.16-1) unstable; urgency=low . * New upstream release * Updated config.guess and config.sub for libapache2-mod-webapp to support mips and mipsel (closes: #168644) * More verbose shutdown script * Added /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 (from Blackdown's JDK 1.4 package) to the list of possible JAVA_HOME directories * Updated README.Debian with information about the admin and manager webapps and where to get JDK Debian pakcages. * Standards-Version: 3.5.8 (no changes required) Files: 6985f3d1c93bab460c0f7af5adab89f3 25448 contrib/web optional libapache2-mod-webapp_4.1.16-1_m68k.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE989NyWgZ1HEtaPf0RAno6AJ9aYy7cxVf9qTcRDb+vqa2N3/bR4wCgm2ZA JQCP9QKFMam/43kCm3HzWEA= =JggK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Uploaded verilog 0.6+20021207-1 (m68k) to ftp-master
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:49:28 +1100 Source: verilog Binary: verilog Architecture: m68k Version: 0.6+20021207-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: verilog- Icarus verilog compiler Closes: 167614 Changes: verilog (0.6+20021207-1) unstable; urgency=low . * Another pre-release of 0.7 * Upstream: fixed more insecure handling of temporary files (closes: #167614) Files: 29c26427d2c18fcbf8f07129a7ed14dc 685626 electronics optional verilog_0.6+20021207-1_m68k.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE989CgWgZ1HEtaPf0RAroJAJ48Cc4itPge+JPWFsZQd2d7F6kX8ACfQ6bI QoJi5/KvZCeDV+Q68PRvRUs= =T42m -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Developper une application pour KDE 3
salut j'ai envie de me lancer dans la programation C/C++ en fait j'ai deja quelques bases depuis le temps que je bidouille des logiciels libres et que je programme en php, mais je n'ai jamais vraiment réalisé de logiciel mon idée était de tenter de faire un client de messagerie instantanée gérant de maniere transparente les différents protocoles, un peu a la maniere de trillian sous windows, parce que je n'ai jamais trouvé de client qui me satisfaisait sous linux ... Beaucoup ont de grandes qualités, je pourrais ainsi les récuperer et les remixer pour essayer de faire quelque chose de pas mal ... comme j'utilise KDE en général, je pensais developper mon appli pour KDE je recherche donc des tutoriels C/C++, généraux, mais aussi orientés vers KDE 3.0/3.1 pour savoir comment créer une application graphique avec cet environnement connaissez-vous des liens qui m'aideraient ? quels conseils pouvez vous me donner avec votre expérience ? merci d'avance grégoire
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bill gates linux
I am going to try one last time on this and then I promise you won't here from me again. GIVEN THE FOLLOWING :- 1/ there are millions of Windows and Dos users out there. 2/ Ideally there should be equally millions of Linux users out there. 3/ many of us millions don't want to give up or find it usefull to keep our Dos and Windows. 4/ many of us millions would very much like to have the option of using both systems on our computer. WE WOULD LIKE THE FOLLOWING:- 1/ we don't want to have to know the technical details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the given table above). 2/we want one of the following:- A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into our a drive , turn on the computer, the computer then loads DOS or whatever and eventually after enough time and floppys have been fead into the drive we see an up and running version of Linux. or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy disk a which then prompts for a cd-rom which then loads a version of Linux. or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive. and then the program on the cd would modify my computer so that Windows and Linux can run on the same machine. either :- 1/ separately 2/ selectably 3/ Windows under Linux or Visa versa 4/ some way the two can interact on the same machine 5/ or some combination of 1/2/3/4 IF you think that this can't be done then fine; but I bet Linus Torvalds could do it. I know bill can't do it he is too busy adding more bells and whistles to Windows4000 . Please don't take my pleadings to be for myself personally. There will come a time when the world wide demand for operating systems will be huge.This will come from third world countrys where literacy is low and computer literacy is even lower. I respectfully place myself in that catagory. TO your greater success!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE GOOD BY.
Bug#172189: ITP: openscenegraph -- C++/OpenGL based graphics development library.
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-06 Severity: wishlist * Package name: openscenegraph Version : 0.9.2 Upstream Author : Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.openscenegraph.org/ * License : LGPL Description : C++/OpenGL based graphics development library. The OpenSceneGraph is an Open Source (LGPL), Cross Platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, FreeBSD, Irix, Solaris), Standard C++ and OpenGL based graphics development library. Uses range from visual simulation, games, virtual reality, scientific visualization and graphics research. Hugo van der Merwe -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux vervet.localnet 2.4.19 #1 Wed Dec 4 23:00:59 SAST 2002 i686 Locale: LANG=en_ZA, LC_CTYPE=en_ZA
Re: Bug#172158: ITP: rsxs -- Really Slick X Screensavers
Hi Ari! Not really relevant but www.reallyslick.com points to rss-glx.sourceforge.net which seems to be a second independant port to X11. Also, that page even supplies Debian-packages (though only for i386 and PPC). Did you compare the two ports and what are their differences ? cheers Uli
Re: Bug#172158: ITP: rsxs -- Really Slick X Screensavers
Apparently there are a lot of ports of the really slick X Screensavers, but all of them present the problem of integrating into the actual xscreensaver, which isn't really possible system-wide as far as I can see. And inclusion of the screensavers in upstream XScreenSaver is far from feasible because of incompatible license changes. The .deb packages supplied on the web page do not integrate into xscreensaver directly, and I think rsxs would be a better choice for doing so anyway if it were to be done. I suppose it would be possible to just include the binaries without touching the XScreenSaver config file but instead including instructions on including it on a user-specific basis, but I don't know how well the changes would transfer between XScreensaver versions. Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: Hi Ari! Not really relevant but www.reallyslick.com points to rss-glx.sourceforge.net which seems to be a second independant port to X11. Also, that page even supplies Debian-packages (though only for i386 and PPC). Did you compare the two ports and what are their differences ? cheers Uli
Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades
#include hallo.h * Colin Walters [Sat, Dec 07 2002, 08:15:08PM]: But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim. On the other hand I was interested enough in Postfix to write the debconfiscation, and then John Goerzen and LaMont Jones were interested enough to fix and significantly improve it. Well, I would do this. On the other hand, I was told that some people are preparing sane packaged exim4 packages with debconfiscation. Making a policy proposal won't force anyone to do anything; it may motivate the exim people more, but I doubt it. Of course, with the policy proposal, we will have a better justification for switching to Postfix if exim isn't fixed. That is the only thing, and only if you wanna switch to Postfix, but not the ultimate solution. With policy, it would be easier to deal with lazyness and unwillingness of some maintainers. Whether we should have this policy proposal and make complete debconfiscation a goal for sarge is something that I don't have an opinion on yet. I do not ask for complete debconfiscation, there are packages where it is not feasable. But then their postinst scripts should be able to work non-interactive and choose something automaticaly, based on the profile settings when needed. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Ich bin drin!
Re: bill gates linux
Hi, 4/ many of us millions would very much like to have the option of using both systems on our computer. They actually have. 1/ we don't want to have to know the technical details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the given table above). This is being worked on. A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, Yoda described the task of installing Linux with the wise words Always two there are: A master and an apprentice. This has changed much, and the current installer is pretty much usable for medium skilled users (i.e. one that knows what a keymap is). 2/we want one of the following:- All of the things you ask for are already possible, some only if you really install Linux (which means that it will require harddisk space in separate partitions, which is not an easy thing if you didn't plan for it when you installed your current system). A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into our a drive , turn on the computer, the computer then loads DOS or whatever and eventually after enough time and floppys have been fead into the drive we see an up and running version of Linux. This is possible, and in fact the way I installed Linux every time but the last (I got a CD-ROM since :-) ). or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy disk a which then prompts for a cd-rom which then loads a version of Linux. Also possible, I think. or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive. and then the program on the cd would modify my computer so that Windows and Linux can run on the same machine. Also possible in theory, although it doesn't make real sense to boot up Windows first, as all newer computers can boot from a CD-ROM anyway, and the older ones are either installed using floppies or booted into MS-DOS (from where we can switch directly into Linux without telling Windows to shut down first). either :- 1/ separately Define separately. I would give it the same meaning as selectably here. 2/ selectably Possible, and in fact the way it is installed on many systems. Depending on your taste, you can have a separate menu or integrate it into Windows' own boot menu (the latter being more work). 3/ Windows under Linux or Visa versa There is vmware, which does cost money but does exactly this. But unless you have specific reasons for doing it, you don't want that. There is also the wine project, which makes an emulator to run Windows software under Linux. But in fact very few of us have ever needed it. There are replacements for about any piece of software under Windows that run natively under Linux. 4/ some way the two can interact on the same machine You can use a shared partition for your data, and if you're running vmware, you have a network between the virtual and the real computer. Please don't take my pleadings to be for myself personally. There will come a time when the world wide demand for operating systems will be huge.This will come from third world countrys where literacy is low and computer literacy is even lower. Actually such things are happening right now. That's why Microsoft is giving free Windows to third world schools -- they fear that all the people there will be raised on Linux and be used to it. Simon -- GPG Fingerprint: 040E B5F7 84F1 4FBC CEAD ADC6 18A0 CC8D 5706 A4B4 There is no way to get a twelve-o-clock flasher online. -- Three Dead Trolls In A Baggie, Welcome To The Internet Help Desk NP: Ordo equilibrio - The Perplexity Of Hybris. I Glorify Myself pgpMGFzvRsLC2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 14:23, Bastian Blank wrote: On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:44:31PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: And we could fix the exim issue by switching to Postfix as the default MTA... the sollution is not to use other packages, it is fixing the packages. But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim. [...] Hello, The packaging of Exim's new major version (v4) will use debconf, the preliminary test packages already do. Because the configuration file format has changed in a fundamental way, the configuration cannot be converted automatically[1] and Exim v4 comes as new packages (exim4-base+exim4-daemon-something) and not as upgrade for Exim v3. cu andreas [1] convert4r4 can try but: The output file MUST be checked and tested before trying to use it on a live system. The conversion script is just an aid which does a lot of the grunt work. It does not guarantee to produce an Exim 4 configuration that behaves exactly the same as the Exim 3 configuration it reads.
Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:29:37PM +, Alastair McKinstry wrote: Oops. Yes, I did. I don't understand why it should hang; I'll log it as a bug and investigate. Might it be due to what you installed next? (I can't reproduce it yet; any further info would help). Something similar happens to me when creating a pbuilder environment using sid a the --distribution target. HTH -- Jesus Climent | Unix SysAdm | Helsinki, Finland | pumuki.hispalinux.es GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 -- Registered Linux user #66350 proudly using Debian 3.0 Linux 2.4.20 It's called a change-over. The movie goes on and nobody knows the difference. --Narrator (Fight club) pgpF3Tke2CuWm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: private debian pools
Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters). Could we possibly hope for a merger of those two? I'd very much like to have a pool-aware mini-dinstall... Roland. -- Roland Mas Sauvez une souris, mangez votre chat.
Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure
At Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:28:37 +0100, Jesus Climent wrote: On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:29:37PM +, Alastair McKinstry wrote: Oops. Yes, I did. I don't understand why it should hang; I'll log it as a bug and investigate. Might it be due to what you installed next? (I can't reproduce it yet; any further info would help). Something similar happens to me when creating a pbuilder environment using sid a the --distribution target. running debootstrap under X seems to wreck the current keymap as well, which seems to get fixed when I switch VTs. Something funny is going on when console tools is installed with some noninteractive setup (debootstrap installs with noninteractive debconf frontend) regards, junichi
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Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) John Lines
Re: Bug#172158: ITP: rsxs -- Really Slick X Screensavers
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:49:10AM -0500, Ari Pollak wrote: I suppose it would be possible to just include the binaries without touching the XScreenSaver config file but instead including instructions on including it on a user-specific basis, but I don't know how well the changes would transfer between XScreensaver versions. Simplest hack I can think of: modify xscreensaver to be able to include configuration files from the main configuration file and use menu to register new screensavers. Something like: ?package(rss):needs=xscreensaver \ section=Come up with something for this field \ title=Sky Rocket \ visual=GL \ command=/usr/lib/xscreensaver/skyrocket and there you go. You write a menu-method, run menu and you have an up-to-date list of installed screensavers. The problem is basically xscreensaver's configuration file. I have considered a number of options to solve this. For example, you could modify xscreensaver to read info files for each screensaver. In those info files it would say, for example, if the program requires a GL visual or not. But they could be more flexible than that. They could document options, which could in turn be used for the configuration part of xscreensaver. xscreensaver would then store the list of active screensavers, instead of that ugly block in the config file which mixes state with options with visuals with ... It's dormant project of mine to take xscreensaver appart and write a library that people can use to write screensavers for xscreensaver (and whatever else -- but I'm only interested in xscreensaver really). xscreensaver has some requirements (specific command line options, specific behaviour regarding visuals, ...) and the code is _horribly_ duplicated across screensavers. The GL screensavers in particular reinvent a (non-trivial to some degree) wheel way too often. But this will remain dormant until ... well, I don't know for how long, really. Perhaps someone will read this and go ahead with it :-) -- Marcelo
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started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
Hello, I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian packages online available at: http://changelogs.credativ.org/ Its just a first run with daily updates of new uploaded packages (for example apt-src and kernel-image-2.4.20 today). I have to work on it (remove old versions because they are included in newer versions, but still have packages from proposed-updates available; debian-non-US;..) so it could be included in packages.debian.org sometimes.:) -- Nol Kthe
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Roland Mas wrote: Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters). Could we possibly hope for a merger of those two? I'd very much like to have a pool-aware mini-dinstall... Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? as you can see by yourself there are a lot of private repositories laying here and there (http://www.apt-get.org as mentioned in one of the last DWN), and i know for sure that Brian is not the only that will benefit from such scripts. I also had to write my own to handle my archive since i was not really satisfied with the others. To who should the request be addressed? ftp masters? I offer volunteer to pkg them in case, but since Im still not a d-d i can't access them frequently to follow their evolution in time. Fabio
Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 03:33:10PM +0100, No?l K?the wrote: I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian packages online available at: http://changelogs.credativ.org/ We should be able to start using the lintian lab on gluck for this again now that lintian is running regularly, shouldn't we? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 15:25, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones
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Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, 08 Dec 2002, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) IIRC, the Corel Linux installer did something like this. Since they sold the rights to Xandros, I assume the Xandros installer does the same thing. Damian -- Damian Gryski | There is a crack, a crack in everything. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's how the light gets in. gnu / geek / juggler / coder / compsci / crypto / security pgpKmIJd0SoTq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Hi, On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:25:19PM +, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Can Linux work with a loopback root fs, using initrd to set it up? Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info pgpr258QC6y3r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: Hmmm, ok, on 2nd thought there's modems, printers, and old ISA cards. Anything else? What about configurations for IP, DNS, mail and news? I don't see why it would be limited to hardware detection. Richard Braakman
Re: Problem with kdenetwork build for unstable
On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 20:39, Martin Schulze wrote: Guillem Jover wrote: Uhh, admin/Makefile.common is checking for '#MIN_CONFIG' in the first two lines to include there admin/configure.in.min. I'd love to have it work but now the build complains about: make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' *** Creating acinclude.m4 make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' !!! If you get recursion errors from autoconf, it is advisable to set the environment variable M4 to something including --nesting-limit=500 *** Creating list of subdirectories make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' *** Creating configure.in make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' *** Creating aclocal.m4 *** Creating configure autoconf: Undefined macros: configure.in:22:AC_LANG_PUSH(C) configure.in:24:AC_LANG_POP make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2' make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 You're using autoconf2.13 aren't you -- autoconf2.50 doesn't have that Undefined macros output. autoconf2.13 doesn't have the AC_LANG_PUSH or AC_LANG_POP macros. Scott -- Scott James Remnant Have you ever, ever felt like this? Had strange http://netsplit.com/ things happen? Are you going round the twist? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack
Hello developers, this is a small project proposal. The idea would be to write a cgi-script that automatically dpkg-repack the package it is asked to deliver, so that we can build a virtual apt-get'able partial mirror of the package installed on the box. This would allow to upgrade a box from an already installed one without any media. I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming, but I thing it could be fun and useful. Cheers, -- Bill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no record of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] package, and no bugs have been filed against it.
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:30, Emile van Bergen wrote: Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Can Linux work with a loopback root fs, using initrd to set it up? Cheers, Actually I think Mandrake might do something roughly like that if you use the easy option rather than expert mode. After an easy mode installation it takes a wet week to do anything at all (on a Pentium 233 box). The same distro on the same box is quite quick after a so called expert mode install. Bob
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:30:10PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Are VFAT partitions still common? I thought Windows 2000 and XP both used NTFS by default. And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think) mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky. I also question whether the performance penalty would be relatively minor, especially if you treat the swap device the same way. But that can be measured. If it's significant, then I think this option should not be encouraged, because it would give Linux an undeserved bad name among precisely the people we hope to convert. Richard Braakman
Kernel update for Debian 3.0/i386
An up-to-date version is at http://master.debian.org/~joey/3.0r1/. For the first update to woody the 2.2 and 2.4 kernel should be updated. In order to install a new one, an older one has to be removed, so the archive doesn't explode and CDs are still buildable. Hence, I propose the following actions: install kernel-image-2.2.22-i386 remove kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 install kernel-source-2.2.22 remove kernel-source-2.2.20 install pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-idepci remove pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-idepci install pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-compact remove pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-compact install pcmcia-modules-2.2.22_3.1.33-6k1 remove pcmcia-modules-2.2.20_3.1.33-6k5 There is no pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-reiserfs, which looks like an oversight to me. install kernel-image-2.4.19-i386 remove kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 remove kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 install kernel-source-2.4.19 remove kernel-source-2.4.16 remove kernel-source-2.4.18 Please shout if something is wrong with this. The relevant .changes files are stored on auric in the directory /org/ftp-master.debian.org/ftp/dists/proposed-updates Regards, Joey -- Reading is a lost art nowadays. -- Michael Weber Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:04:46PM +0200, Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:30:10PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Are VFAT partitions still common? I thought Windows 2000 and XP both used NTFS by default. And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think) mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky. That may be true, but most of the Windows users I know still have a 95 variant on their computer. Daniel -- / Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---\ | I haven't lost my mind, | | I know exactly where I left it. | \--- (if (not (understand-this)) (go-to http://www.schemers.org)) /
Re: description writing guide
On 07-Dec-02, 16:05 (CST), David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:51:03 +0100 Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in the long description. Why is that again? Because anything[1] that displays the long description also displays the package name right next to it. (Althought I think putting in the long description is less of a problem than in the short description, which is often displayed in situations of limited space.) Steve [1] Ignoring special cases like dpkg-grep-available, or whatever it's called. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net
Re: account on IA-64 sought.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Schulze) writes: 12. http://testdrive.hp.com/ Yes, this can be a good resource. I also invite anyone working on ia64 porting issues to the #debian-ia64 channel on irc.debian.org. There is very little activity visible there, but people who can help are often lurking... Bdale
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:25:19PM +, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgp0U1FBMxOhM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:06:19AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 14:23, Bastian Blank wrote: On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:44:31PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: And we could fix the exim issue by switching to Postfix as the default MTA... the sollution is not to use other packages, it is fixing the packages. But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim. [...] Hello, The packaging of Exim's new major version (v4) will use debconf, the preliminary test packages already do. Because the configuration file format has changed in a fundamental way, the configuration cannot be converted automatically[1] and Exim v4 comes as new packages (exim4-base+exim4-daemon-something) and not as upgrade for Exim v3. cu andreas [1] convert4r4 can try but: The output file MUST be checked and tested before trying to use it on a live system. The conversion script is just an aid which does a lot of the grunt work. It does not guarantee to produce an Exim 4 configuration that behaves exactly the same as the Exim 3 configuration it reads. Perhaps the best path here would be to run convert4r4 on upgrade, and then invoke the debconf questions afterwards to allow appropriate customization and let the user know it should be checked over? This is probably only possible if exim4 is presented as a proper upgrade to exim v3 instead of a separate package, however. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpjy7U7JeJxn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters). Could we possibly hope for a merger of those two? I'd very much like to have a pool-aware mini-dinstall... And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too. I'd honestly prefer to see the actual archive scripts (The One True Archiving Tools, of which all others must, by definition, be emulations) packaged and useable by mere mortals, but the last I'd heard, this was a long way off, and not terribly high on most priority lists. -- *** Joel Baker System Administrator - lightbearer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.lightbearer.com/lucifer/ pgpBLKkdFPmTn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack
The idea would be to write a cgi-script that automatically dpkg-repack the package it is asked to deliver, so that we can build a virtual apt-get'able partial mirror of the package installed on the box. This would allow to upgrade a box from an already installed one without any media. I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming, but I thing it could be fun and useful. What's wrong with apt-proxy?
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Hi, On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea though. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info
Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:06:19AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
[...]
The packaging of Exim's new major version (v4) will use debconf, the
preliminary test packages already do.
Because the configuration file format has changed in a fundamental
way, the configuration cannot be converted automatically[1] and Exim
v4 comes as new packages (exim4-base+exim4-daemon-something) and not
as upgrade for Exim v3.
[...]
Perhaps the best path here would be to run convert4r4 on upgrade, and
then invoke the debconf questions afterwards to allow appropriate
customization and let the user know it should be checked over?
Hello,
No, not really. We did not write a complete parser for exim
configuration files that takes any given more or less valid
exim4-configuration file (=the result of convert4r4) and puts it in
debconf. exim4.conf is basically constructed from two parts, an easily
parseable debconf-managed part and a dpkg-conffile holding the common
parts.
I know this is a very crude description, if you want to take a closer
look get exim4_4.10.13{orig.tar,-0.0.4.diff}.gz from
http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/
There might come an addition to the config script that takes a look at
the installed exim.conf from exim3, and tries to extract the answers
given to eximconfig that generated this file and puts these in the
exim4-debconf-db, so that all/most questions would be preanswered.
This is
probably only possible if exim4 is presented as a proper upgrade to exim
v3 instead of a separate package, however.
If you uninstalled exim (instead of purged) before installing exim4,
switching would be easy once the exim3-parsing was installed.
cu andreas
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Bug#172241: ITP: cl-sdl -- Common Lisp bindings to the SDL graphics library
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-12-08 Severity: wishlist * Package name: cl-sdl Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Matthew Danish, Timo Tossavainen * URL : http://cl-sdl.sourceforge.net/ * License : MIT/X style Description : Common Lisp bindings to the SDL graphics library Provides a foreign-function interface, using UFFI, to the cross-platform Simple Directmedia Layer graphics and game library.
Re: Kernel update for Debian 3.0/i386
#include hallo.h * Martin Schulze [Sun, Dec 08 2002, 06:06:42PM]: There is no pcmcia-modules-2.2.22-reiserfs, which looks like an oversight to me. AFAIK kernel-image-2.2.*-reiserfs is abandoned so do not wonder. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Uuuuhps! Wo is' se denn?!? Hat jemand meine Signatur gesehen?
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:08:17PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea though. Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult, wouldn't it? -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpsSmiFXehjD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:05:16PM +0100, Robin Putters wrote: The idea would be to write a cgi-script that automatically dpkg-repack the package it is asked to deliver, so that we can build a virtual apt-get'able partial mirror of the package installed on the box. This would allow to upgrade a box from an already installed one without any media. I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming, but I thing it could be fun and useful. What's wrong with apt-proxy? You need access to an archive to build your local proxy and also this take lots of disk-space. With dpkg-repack, you just need to have the package installed, you do not need to have it in the apt cache in particular. If you want to update a dozen of random packages, it is tedious to do dpkg-repack manually, but it is a waste to maintain a *real* partial mirror for that. Cheers, -- Bill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no record of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] package, and no bugs have been filed against it.
Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:49:50PM +, Colin Watson wrote: I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian packages online available at: http://changelogs.credativ.org/ We should be able to start using the lintian lab on gluck for this again now that lintian is running regularly, shouldn't we? You still have to extract the files from the lab and save them someplace else, though, as the harness script removes old stuff on the next run. (Not quite sure what it removes, yet. :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: bill gates linux
1/ we don't want to have to know the technical details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the given table above). 2/we want one of the following:- A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into our a drive , turn on the computer, the computer then loads DOS or whatever and eventually after enough time and floppys have been fead into the drive we see an up and running version of Linux. or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy disk a which then prompts for a cd-rom which then loads a version of Linux. or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive. and then the program on the cd would modify my computer so that Windows and Linux Damn you are a troll. Did you not believe everyone when they told you this already exists today? Download the Debian install CD, insert it, and do the install. If you want super ease of install, get a commerical dist. It will install along side of Windows and you can boot either one. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://www.linux1394.org/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/
Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:30:13PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming, CGI programming is easy to learn ;-) CGI scripts or programs get whatever the client sends on his URL, starting after the '?' as a parameter, receive on their stdin whatever a client sends using an HTTP PUT statement, and send the HTML and, if necessary, extra HTTP headers to their stdout. That's it. -- wouter at grep dot be Human knowledge belongs to the world -- From the movie Antitrust
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:38:26 +0100 (CET), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of simple private archives. Some time, I will publish my scripts. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: private debian pools
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:41 am, Joel Baker wrote: I'd honestly prefer to see the actual archive scripts (The One True Archiving Tools, of which all others must, by definition, be emulations) packaged and useable by mere mortals, but the last I'd heard, this was a long way off, and not terribly high on most priority lists. /me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to recover a system from someone using it... I dread to think how many versions of things like libgtksomeguicrapthatkeepsmakingabichanges (all mutually conflicting, and all required by something you *really need*) we'll end up with if people are easily able to maintain separate repositories. Cheers, Nick
Re: project: vitual partial mirror with CGI/dpkg-repack
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 09:26:55PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:30:13PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: I will not do it myself since I know nothing about CGI programming, CGI programming is easy to learn ;-) CGI scripts or programs get whatever the client sends on his URL, starting after the '?' as a parameter, Not as a parameter - in the QUERY_STRING environment variable. http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/interface.html and send the HTML and, if necessary, extra HTTP headers to their stdout. They do need to output at least some HTTP headers, often just Content-Type: foo/bar\n\n. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#172189: ITP: openscenegraph -- C++/OpenGL based graphics development library.
* Hugo van der Merwe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-06 Severity: wishlist * Package name: openscenegraph Version : 0.9.2 Upstream Author : Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.openscenegraph.org/ * License : LGPL Description : C++/OpenGL based graphics development library. The OpenSceneGraph is an Open Source (LGPL), Cross Platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, FreeBSD, Irix, Solaris), Standard C++ and OpenGL based graphics development library. Uses range from visual simulation, games, virtual reality, scientific visualization and graphics research. Between reading this description and reading the website, I still have no idea what this library actually DOES. I've done a fair amount of OpenGL programming, so I should have enough background knowledge to know what this library does by reading the description. That it is a graphics development library tells me nothing. Just spit it out! Something like whereas OpenGL deals only with individual polygons, OpenSceneGraph allows you to render a group of 3d models that comprise an entire 'scene.' It handles details such as backface culling and shading that a 3d renderer would usually have to handle manually. If that's what it actually does (I'm still not entirely sure). Josh -- Josh Haberman Debian GNU/Linux developer
Bug#172271: ITP: japana -- HTTP proxy converting Japanese characters into ASCII
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-12-08 Severity: wishlist * Package name: japana Version : 2.0.2-5 Upstream Author : Christian Garbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.h.shuttle.de/mitch/japana.en.html * License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.) Description : HTTP proxy converting Japanese characters into ASCII japana is a small and simple proxy written in Perl. The proxy converts Japanese characters (Hiragana, Katakana, Kanji etc.) into ASCII (Romaji) on the fly. The conversion is done using the KAKASI library. The debian packages are already finished and available at the given URL. I've sent a RFS to debian-mentors on Dec 07. -- System Information Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux yggdrasil 2.4.20 #4 Sam Dez 7 17:01:44 CET 2002 i686 Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:04:46PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: Are VFAT partitions still common? I thought Windows 2000 and XP both used NTFS by default. And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think) mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky. But ISTR that _file_overwrite_ support for NTFS now works, to allow precisely the sort of loopback installation we're talking about! Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ '` ¯
Problems with XFS patch and SMP
Bug#171943 reports that dictd 1.8.0 fails to start with the following error message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/sbin/dictd -d nofork :I: 2535 starting dictd 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs Tue Dec 3 23:43:09 2002 dictd (dict_index_open): Cannot mmap index file /dev/null(dict_index_open) Cannot mmap index file /dev/nulldict_index_open: No such device (dict_index_open) dict_index_open: No such device I have not experienced any problems with this version in woody, sarge or sid, using a 2.4.18 kernel, and I have not received any other similar bug reports. The reporter is running a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and SMP support. Are there any known issues with the XFS patch and SMP support that could contribute to this problem? Is anyone running dictd with a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and SMP support? Regards, Bob -- _ |_) _ |_Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL 34990 USA GPG Key ID: 390D6559
What should go into How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format?
Hi, (sorry for the overlong subject). I originally sent this to debian-doc but I got no answers, so I thought I'd post it here too. I'm interested in writing the How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format manual, as listed on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals. I thought to write the following, more or less: - First, consider the license of your product. If it's DFSG-Compatible and of general interest, consider adding it to debian/main. That'd be the best solution because of all the things like the BTS and the worldwide mirrors. Or, if you don't want to do it yourself, ask for a packager on the mailing lists. - If it's not DFSG-Compatible, but of general interest and you'd want it into debian, consider adding it to debian/non-free. Or even better changing the license. - Otherwise, read the New Maintainer's Guide / Debian Policy and all the other relevant docs. Make a package using the normal debian tools, check it with lintian, try it, whatever. There are a few special issues, though. Unstable and testing are changing all the time; a closed-source package which isn't updated too often would probably quite soon get uninstallable because of some unsatisfied dependencies or break somehow. Thus, build your package for stable, but do not use strictly versioned dependencies (i.e., require an exact version), but only = dependencies. So there's chance that it'll be installable/run also on testing and unstable. - Consider putting fast-changing libraries/programs into your package instead of depending on the ones shipped with debian. They could be installed into /usr/lib/package-name/. - If you've got only few and/or seldom updated programs, shipping the .debs will probably do. If you've got many and/or often updated programs, or just want to be cool, consider setting up your own package repository. This is the basic idea for packages which can be adapted to the FHS in a reasonable way; but for some really large, closed-source and older programs that might be too difficult; it would probably be much easier to put them into their own directory, with their own bin, lib, and whatever other folders they need. I know that isn't the proper way to do it, but I'd prefer some program to be installed in this impure way than overwriting some other files or sprinkling the file system with mysterious configuration and cache files. Or maybe it'd be better to create directories such as /usr/bin/package-name/, /usr/lib/package-name and so on. I'm not too sure about this, though. Any ideas? Anything wrong with this? Improvements? Comments? Criticism? Thanks. -- Aaron Isotton http://www.isotton.com/ My GPG Public Key: http://www.isotton.com/gpg-public-key
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:38:26 +0100 (CET), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of simple private archives. Not everyone run simple archive. Mine is quite complex and I have to do most of the work by hand to keep it going. Some time, I will publish my scripts. So here is another piece of duplicate work, isn't it? not to blame anyone of course but it just confirm what I wrote before. People would like to have a common and sane way of building private archive. Regards Fabio
Re: private debian pools
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Nick Phillips wrote: /me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to recover a system from someone using it... I dread to think how many versions of things like libgtksomeguicrapthatkeepsmakingabichanges (all mutually conflicting, and all required by something you *really need*) we'll end up with if people are easily able to maintain separate repositories. I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private archive are really usefull for pre-testing pkgs before they enter debian. Cheers Fabio
[Testing] Why isn't a52dec updating
I see that the testing scripts are running again. Now I wonder why a52dec isn't going in. In update_output.txt I find trying: a52dec skipped: a52dec (1014+21) got: 4+0: a-4 * alpha: ogle, ogle-gui which I read as if the new a52dec entered testing, ogle would be uninstallable. The old ogle (now in testing) depends on liba52-0.7.3, from the source a52dec now in testing. The new ogle depends on liba52-0.7.4, produced by the new a52dec source. Was it a mistake to call the source a52dec? Would a52dec-0.7.4 etc be better? Would the new a52dec source in testing remove the liba52-0.7.3 binary package produced from the old one? But then, could not a52dec and ogle enter testing at the same time? TIA, Micce -- Mikael Hedin, MSc +46 (0)8 344979 (home) +46 (0)70 5891533 (mobile) [gpg key fingerprint = 387F A8DB DC2A 50E3 FE26 30C4 5793 29D3 C01B 2A22]
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Joel Baker wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Brian May (2002-12-07 16:36:58 +1100) : I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools, available at: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters). Could we possibly hope for a merger of those two? I'd very much like to have a pool-aware mini-dinstall... And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too. I'd honestly prefer to see the actual archive scripts (The One True Archiving Tools, of which all others must, by definition, be emulations) packaged and useable by mere mortals, but the last I'd heard, this was a long way off, and not terribly high on most priority lists. I also maintain my own archive and have developed a rether crazy set of scripts to mainain it. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz
Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
On 8 Dec 2002, Noèl Köthe wrote: I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian packages online Ah! Wondeful. Would be nice to have it integrated in the frontends ... do I want/need to update this to the latest unstable version yet - let's check the changelog pressing C...? Very nice! *t -- to ma will kill for oil s p
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Wonderful. We now have two tools providing almost the same functionality, except only one does package pools (bin2) and only one is mature (mini-dinstall, by Colin Walters). Could we possibly hope for a merger of those two? I'd very much like to have a pool-aware mini-dinstall... When I last looked at mini-dinstall it didn't seem to try to cater for many of the tasks required for pools, because it doesn't appear to support pools. eg. with pools you need tools to install packages, maintain multiple Packages files for different areas (at or least thats functionality I need), etc. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 09:19:52PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Have you ever looked at katie, jenna and the other girls? They can do magic, 99 % of which unneeded in the case of simple private archives. I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented mess that was a total overkill for my purpose (eg. I don't need a database). I couldn't even guess where I was suppost to start. Also I didn't want to interfere with Debian in anyway, eg. by accidently announcing package uploads to the Debian mailing lists and/or closing other peoples bugs when all I did was upload it to my private archive. What is jenna though? I see she is also in the CVS checkout I did ages ago. I may be daft or something, but these names mean absolutely nothing to be when I am trying to get a given task done. Maybe one day these tools will get better documented, I will be willing to setup a database to manage them. Then I probably should also be able to do cool things like have uploads that fix bigs add to the bug report this bug has been fixed in the version in my private archive, see http://.../... for details, for instance. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: private debian pools
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 am, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private archive are really usefull for pre-testing pkgs before they enter debian. And sometimes third-party archives are useful because a third party has the resources and inclination to look after something we don't (yet). Are you seriously saying that you don't want this to be made more reliable because no-one forces people to use such archives, and they should know that [if they use these archives] things can break more easily? Nobody forces people to use unstable (or even testing) either, and putting the relevant lines in your apt.sources can make things break more easily. Does this mean that we shouldn't try to make them work reliably? Exactly which bit of trying to make things work better do you think is a bad idea? Cheers, Nick
Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:04:00PM +0100, tomas pospisek wrote: On 8 Dec 2002, No?l K?the wrote: I started to make the changelog and copyright file of the Debian packages online Ah! Wondeful. Would be nice to have it integrated in the frontends ... do I want/need to update this to the latest unstable version yet - let's check the changelog pressing C...? see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs before you install packages. -- gram pgpEnOxIvf0QK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs before you install packages. Hardly everybody has got a full Debian mirror in the same rack. ;-) -- Florian Weimer[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Stuttgart http://CERT.Uni-Stuttgart.DE/people/fw/ RUS-CERT fax +49-711-685-5898
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Hi, On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 12:24:56PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:08:17PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea though. Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing. Hum, yes, but that probably says more about 1. the excellent capabilities of the Wine team 2. lack of ability and willingness to write windows code on your part than the elegance of the solution - IMHO. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult, wouldn't it? Well, I was thinking about horrible scenarios like, you know, I installed this Linux thing, and it used my network settings from Windows fine, but now I can't find out how to change it, so I figured I could change the settings in Windows and then reinstall Linux, so I did. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 10:48:30PM +0100, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: I do not agree with you for different reasons. First of all noone forces people to add private archives to their sources.list. If users do that they should know that things can break more easily. Sometimes private archive are really usefull for pre-testing pkgs before they enter debian. Then you encounter the problem that user X (for instance) modifies fileutils with ACL support and adds it to his/her private archive. User Y modifies the same version of fileutils with, say SE-Linux, and places it online his/her website. User Z, who uses both archives, suddenly finds he/she may get a ACL version of fileutils OR an SE-Linux version of fileutils depending on how X and Y named the versions. Lets assume the ACL version has .x.1 appended to the version, and the selinux version has the .y.1 appended to the version. So the .selinux version will be treated as newer. While it is true that only one version can get installed, IMHO it is not so good that the user doesn't get any warning of the problem. Now user X and user Y realize that there is a problem, and user Y agrees to remove his package, if user X creates a .x.2 version that has both SE-Linux and ACL support. Only now, users who already have .y.1 installed will see version .x.2 as a downgrade, not an upgrade. I think this is dumb. Soory, I don't have any solutions to these specific problems. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:44:08PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs before you install packages. Hardly everybody has got a full Debian mirror in the same rack. ;-) If there were a reliable and complete source of changelog data programmatically available over the network, and a means by which apt-listchanges could be launched by apt before any packages are downloaded, it would be easy to modify apt-listchanges to use this data. -- - mdz
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 20:51, Nick Phillips wrote: /me wonders whether some concept of namespaces in package names would be useful before we make it too easy for world + dog to run large repositories of .debs - Ximian was bad enough on its own, last I had to recover a system from someone using it... I dread to think how many versions of things like libgtksomeguicrapthatkeepsmakingabichanges (all mutually conflicting, and all required by something you *really need*) we'll end up with if people are easily able to maintain separate repositories. I disagree that this is needed, not for any of the usual reasons, but for the simple reason that this functionality already exists. The namespace of an apt repository is its URL, and any information available in a Release file at that URL. Now, let's use your example of Ximian. The ftp URL of the Ximian debs you were using was probably: ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/debian I imagine the problem you had was that the system had all the Ximian GNOME debs installed, and you wanted to use those from Debian instead. That could have been easily solved by putting the following in /etc/apt/preferences: Package: * Pin: release o=Debian Pin-Priority: 1000 Package: * Pin: origin ftp.ximian.com Pin-Priority: -1 In effect, Debian packages can force a downgrade of anything, do not consider Ximian packages for installation at all If we promote the use of third-parties using Release files, they would set the Origin: tag to something useful to them, perhaps in Ximian's case Ximian. All the functionality you want is already there! Scott -- Scott James Remnant Have you ever, ever felt like this? Had strange http://netsplit.com/ things happen? Are you going round the twist? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Problems with XFS patch and SMP
It would be interesting to see an strace of the program and the output of dmesg.
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 12:42:15PM +1100, Brian May wrote: d-arch-builder?? (debian-archive-builder) Sounds good. I have renamed the bin2 directory to darchbuilder. (unfortunately Perl objected to the - in the directory name). The new location is now URL:http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/darchbuilder/. I have also improved on the Readme file. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with XFS patch and SMP
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Bob Hilliard wrote: Bug#171943 reports that dictd 1.8.0 fails to start with the following error message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/sbin/dictd -d nofork :I: 2535 starting dictd 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs Tue Dec 3 23:43:09 2002 dictd (dict_index_open): Cannot mmap index file /dev/null(dict_index_open) Cannot mmap index file /dev/nulldict_index_open: No such device (dict_index_open) dict_index_open: No such device that looks like it may be a configuration errorwhy else would it be trying to mmap /dev/null? I have not experienced any problems with this version in woody, sarge or sid, using a 2.4.18 kernel, and I have not received any other similar bug reports. The reporter is running a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and SMP support. Are there any known issues with the XFS patch and SMP support that could contribute to this problem? not that i've noticed. i've been running 2.4.19 XFS on my SMP workstation for over a month without any problems at all. Linux siva.taz.net.au 2.4.19-xfs #1 SMP Sat Nov 2 14:31:23 EST 2002 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux Is anyone running dictd with a 2.4.19 kernel with the XFS patch and SMP support? i'm running the dict client on this machine, but not the dict server. i'm running the server on another machine (currently running ancient kernel 2.4.9 with XFS patches). i just installed dictd 1.8.0-1 and one small dictionary (dict-elements) to test it. it seems to run and answer queries without problems. running it with dictd -d nofork shows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [11:04:49] ~# /usr/sbin/dictd -d nofork :I: 1493 starting dictd 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs Mon Dec 9 11:05:02 2002 :I: elements 130 20751507646260 a query for potassium results in the following output: :C: dict 1.8.0/rf on Linux 2.4.19-xfs :D: * potassium 1 :I: quit: d/m/c = 1/0/7; 0.000r 0.000u 0.000s if you have any other tests you'd like me to run, i'll leave dictd installed here for a day or two...then i'll remove it. craig -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch
Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?
[Please CC all replies to me]
Hi all,
I'm having issues with getting parted's reiserfs support to work in a
way that complies with Debian policy. The issue is that parted dlopen()s
libreiserfs.so and libdal.so (from the libreiserfs-0.3-{0,dev}
packages) for its reiserfs support. This is fine, but the issue is that
the .so symlinks are in the -dev package, so parted's reiserfs support
fails unless the -dev package is installed (BAD). This problem is the
cause of bug #163107.
Possible solutions:
1. Put the .so symlinks in the libreiserfs-0.3-0 package. This breaks
policy (section 9.0 says that the associated development package
should contain the shared library without a version number). This is
also a really bad precedent to set for other shared library packages
which are dlopen()d.
2. Make parted dlopen() libreiserfs-0.3.so.0 rather than libreiserfs.so.
This will solve the problem, but is not ideal solution since a minor
version upgrade or SONAME change of libreiserfs will break parted's
reiserfs support (note that parted does its own internal checking of
libreiserfs versions to make sure it is compatible, and gracefully
fails if it can't resolve all required symbols on dlopen()).
Also, the parted source code needs to be manually edited on every
minor or SONAME change of library.
3. Include a symlink to the appropriate libreiserfs in the
libparted1.6-0 package /lib/parted/modules/libreiserfs.so and
dlopen that instead. This has the added advantage that the symbolic
link could be updated from libparted's postinst, and I could also
modify it from libreiserfs's postinst. However, I'd rather find a
solution that didn't require _any_ mention of parted in libreiserfs,
other than a Suggests:. Or am I just being a puritan here?
ATM I'm leaning towards 2, or possibly 3. Any comments/queries/further
suggestions?
Cheers,
Timshel
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Re: started to make changelogs and copyright file online available
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 05:57:55PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:44:08PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see apt-listchanges, which is a great tool for looking at changelogs before you install packages. Hardly everybody has got a full Debian mirror in the same rack. ;-) If there were a reliable and complete source of changelog data programmatically available over the network, and a means by which apt-listchanges could be launched by apt before any packages are downloaded, it would be easy to modify apt-listchanges to use this data. Or anything else, although apt-listchanges might be nicer. aptitude used to do this (slightly hackily), before the Web-available changelogs vanished. Daniel -- / Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---\ | Systems in which an event can happen before itself do | | not seem to be physically meaningful. -- Leslie Lamport | \-Evil Overlord, Inc: planning your future today. http://www.eviloverlord.com-/
Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:26:14AM +1100, Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: 2. Make parted dlopen() libreiserfs-0.3.so.0 rather than libreiserfs.so. This will solve the problem, but is not ideal solution since a minor version upgrade or SONAME change of libreiserfs will break parted's reiserfs support (note that parted does its own internal checking of libreiserfs versions to make sure it is compatible, and gracefully fails if it can't resolve all required symbols on dlopen()). Could you explain in more detail why this is a bad thing? SONAME changes mean binary compatibility is broken -- even if you can resolve all symbols, I don't think blindly trying to call stuff in the library is a good idea. I especially don't want a program with questionable linkage to be mucking with my filesystems. Also, the parted source code needs to be manually edited on every minor or SONAME change of library. Hm, maybe you could run readlink on the development package's .so link at build time...would that work? Daniel 3. Include a symlink to the appropriate libreiserfs in the libparted1.6-0 package /lib/parted/modules/libreiserfs.so and dlopen that instead. This has the added advantage that the symbolic link could be updated from libparted's postinst, and I could also modify it from libreiserfs's postinst. However, I'd rather find a solution that didn't require _any_ mention of parted in libreiserfs, other than a Suggests:. Or am I just being a puritan here? ATM I'm leaning towards 2, or possibly 3. Any comments/queries/further suggestions? Cheers, Timshel -- Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED], Debian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux developer: http://people.debian.org/~timshel/ GnuPG public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- / Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---\ | Inconceivable! | |-- The Princess Bride | \--- (if (not (understand-this)) (go-to http://www.schemers.org)) /
Re: location of UnicodeData.txt
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell writes: The copyright is on the *file* and not on the data,... Did I say it was? ...and certainly not on the *information* which the file contains. An instantiation of that information could be considered a derivative of the copyrighted work. My second paragraph explains one reason why it might not be. I believe at this point you are raising FUD. The license on Unicode explicitly grants permission to make such derivatives, if they even are such, in free programs. This is sufficient for our purposes, because it means that the free program is really free, and that's all Debian requires.
Re: Problems with XFS patch and SMP
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:09:51AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: that looks like it may be a configuration errorwhy else would it be trying to mmap /dev/null? this is a elf function, not sure what it is used for but a lot of programs do this. Thats why you need /dev/null in most chroots for ftpds which exec() dynaically linked ls. Greetings Bernd
Re: private debian pools
Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Why noone have ever packaged the actual debian set of scritps for handling archives instead? Probably because it's too complicated to be of use unless you're managing something on the scale of the debian archive. It's much easier to install mini-dinstall and make a directory for your repository than it would be to install the real dinstall and set up all the database stuff and other stuff it needs. private repositories laying here and there (http://www.apt-get.org as mentioned in one of the last DWN), and i know for sure that Brian is not the only that will benefit from such scripts. I also had to write my own to handle my archive since i was not really satisfied with the others. Hmm, I wasn't exactly satisfied with mini-dinstall when I started to use it, but it seemed like a much better trade-off to contribute feedback and bug reports than dilute effort with yet another tool to do the same thing. And now I *am* happy with it, except for a couple of bugs. To who should the request be addressed? ftp masters? I offer volunteer to pkg them in case, but since Im still not a d-d i can't access them frequently to follow their evolution in time. Eh? Like everyone else on the internet, you have read access to cvs.debian.org for dinstall's source. -- see shy jo pgpUS7OFUXvuN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: private debian pools
Joel Baker wrote: And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too. Note that mini-dinstall can generate old-style archives too. That's what I use for all my repositories. archive_style = flat -- see shy jo pgpNLRIjY4XgR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: private debian pools
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented mess that was a total overkill for my purpose (eg. I don't need a database). That complicated and undocumented mess has been running the Debian archives successfully and without major incident for over 2 years now; it must be doing something right. I couldn't even guess where I was suppost to start. You could try reading the non-existent documentation... [...] but these names mean absolutely nothing to be when I am trying to get a given task done. like doc/README.names maybe. *plonk* -- James
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Re: location of UnicodeData.txt
Thomas Bushnell writes: I believe at this point you are raising FUD. I believe I was attempting to discuss the subject calmly and rationally while avoiding inflammatory language such as you are raising FUD. The license on Unicode explicitly grants permission to make such derivatives, if they even are such, in free programs. Reference? I don't recall seeing this mentioned earlier in this thread, and it is not at all clear from a quick perusal of the copyright data on the Unicode site that the license for the file in question is DFSG-compliant. Could you tell me what I am missing? BTW the copy of the file on my system (installed by perl-modules) lacks the apparently required disclaimer. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: location of UnicodeData.txt
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The license on Unicode explicitly grants permission to make such derivatives, if they even are such, in free programs. Reference? I don't recall seeing this mentioned earlier in this thread, and it is not at all clear from a quick perusal of the copyright data on the Unicode site that the license for the file in question is DFSG-compliant. Could you tell me what I am missing? The file is not being distributed, rather, data from it has been extracted and is being used. This is explicitly permitted by the license on the file. If you claim that a current Debian package is violating the DFSG, then the appropriate forum is debian-legal, not debian-devel.
Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 00:26, Timshel Knoll wrote:
I'm having issues with getting parted's reiserfs support to work in a
way that complies with Debian policy. The issue is that parted dlopen()s
libreiserfs.so and libdal.so (from the libreiserfs-0.3-{0,dev}
packages) for its reiserfs support. This is fine, but the issue is that
the .so symlinks are in the -dev package, so parted's reiserfs support
fails unless the -dev package is installed (BAD). This problem is the
cause of bug #163107.
Possible solutions:
*snip*
2. Make parted dlopen() libreiserfs-0.3.so.0 rather than libreiserfs.so.
This will solve the problem, but is not ideal solution since a minor
version upgrade or SONAME change of libreiserfs will break parted's
reiserfs support (note that parted does its own internal checking of
libreiserfs versions to make sure it is compatible, and gracefully
fails if it can't resolve all required symbols on dlopen()).
Also, the parted source code needs to be manually edited on every
minor or SONAME change of library.
I don't see why this is a problem, you'd only need to change the
dlopen() code if there's a SONAME change - and that should only change
if there's a binary-incompatible difference. A difference that might
not be picked up by the internal checking of the code.
The Debian package name of libreiserfs (libreiserfs0.3-0) is also named
after the SONAME, so you'll have to change the depend anyway - so why
not change the code at the same time?
Scott
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Re: What should go into How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format?
On Sunday 08 December 2002 13:29, Aaron Isotton wrote: Hi, (sorry for the overlong subject). I originally sent this to debian-doc but I got no answers, so I thought I'd post it here too. I'm interested in writing the How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format manual, as listed on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals. I thought to write the following, more or less: In the end it makes very little sense for a3rd party to provide debs. The LSB requires rpm support only. Personally I would be happy if they released a rpm for compliance and a tarball (binary or source as they wish) for everyone else.
Re: private debian pools
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 12:03 pm, Scott James Remnant wrote: I disagree that this is needed, not for any of the usual reasons, but for the simple reason that this functionality already exists. In part; it's not visible to the user, and it's not possible for a package to specify that it depends on a version of a package from a particular release/distribution/origin. The namespace of an apt repository is its URL, and any information available in a Release file at that URL. Which is inadequate; how do you tell whether the following lines access the same distribution? deb http://debian.lemon-computing.com/debian/ stable main contrib non-free deb http://debian.otago.ac.nz/debian/ stable main contrib non-free I imagine the problem you had was that the system had all the Ximian GNOME debs installed, and you wanted to use those from Debian instead. That could have been easily solved by putting the following in /etc/apt/preferences: Package: * Pin: release o=Debian Pin-Priority: 1000 Package: * Pin: origin ftp.ximian.com Pin-Priority: -1 In effect, Debian packages can force a downgrade of anything, do not consider Ximian packages for installation at all This is great, but it doesn't enable *packages* to specify what they need. Which is where the logic needs to be, if we really want to avoid problems. If we promote the use of third-parties using Release files, they would set the Origin: tag to something useful to them, perhaps in Ximian's case Ximian. All the functionality you want is already there! Some, but not all. Cheers, Nick
Re: What should go into How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format?
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 06:06:41PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: In the end it makes very little sense for a3rd party to provide debs. It makes sense for the debian user, dont u think? Greetings Bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],linux.de,debian.org} http://home.pages.de/~eckes/ o--o *plush* 2048/93600EFD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +497257930613 BE5-RIPE (OO) When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl!
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 14:44, Joey Hess wrote: Joel Baker wrote: And don't forget debarchiver, which doesn't (yet) support pools, but is in use in a number of places for doing old-style archives, too. Note that mini-dinstall can generate old-style archives too. That's what I use for all my repositories. archive_style = flat By the way, this will probably be the default in later versions.
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Re: What should go into How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format?
On Sunday 08 December 2002 18:12, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 06:06:41PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: In the end it makes very little sense for a3rd party to provide debs. It makes sense for the debian user, dont u think? Which is why I ask for the second option -- a tarball. Let Debian, Gentoo, BSD, whoever do their own packaging. This includes any of those groups' users.
Re: private debian pools
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 17:26, Brian May wrote: When I last looked at mini-dinstall it didn't seem to try to cater for many of the tasks required for pools, because it doesn't appear to support pools. eg. with pools you need tools to install packages, maintain multiple Packages files for different areas (at or least thats functionality I need), etc. Yes. I think that doing package pools right requires all sorts of extra stuff like some form of database (be it a flat file or PostgreSQL) and special tools for installing/removing package. My feeling is that if you really need pools, what someone needs to do is sit down and package the real dinstall. That way we would have the best of both worlds; a simple, easy to use verison of dinstall in the form of mini-dinstall, and if it doesn't fulfill your needs, then you could go to the real full-blown dinstall.
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:45:04PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing. Hum, yes, but that probably says more about 1. the excellent capabilities of the Wine team 2. lack of ability and willingness to write windows code on your part than the elegance of the solution - IMHO. Feel free to demonstrate the elegance of your own Windows code, then. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult, wouldn't it? Well, I was thinking about horrible scenarios like, you know, I installed this Linux thing, and it used my network settings from Windows fine, but now I can't find out how to change it, so I figured I could change the settings in Windows and then reinstall Linux, so I did. There are some forms of idiocy that it's just not possible to proof against. shrug -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpkldHQULlox.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: DAK
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 09:37:39AM +1100, Brian May wrote: Maybe one day these tools will get better documented, I will be I would assume the first step might be to give postgresql the init_pool.sql file, and somehow configure the programs to use this newly created database? I would also assume that the entire database structure is documented in tagdb.dia? What is meant be a suite? Could somebody please povide me with a list of the binary programs in DAK and what each one days? I will start by extracting the comments. Some I can guess, eg. tea would be for making a cup of tea, wouldn't it? ;-) Others make no sense. Some binaries have no real purpose, they are only there to see if you can refrain from laughing or not (eg. see description of update-mirrorlists). katie doesn't seem to have a binary? -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 6451 Oct 24 17:39 alyson* Sync the ISC configuartion file and the SQL database What is the ISC configuration? -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 12551 Dec 9 14:24 amber* Wrapper for Debian Security team The Debian security team need to be wrapped by amber? Somehow I think I misparsed that ;-). -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 3244 Oct 24 17:39 andrea* Check for fixable discrepancies between stable and unstable -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 4545 Oct 24 17:39 ashley* Dump variables from a .katie file to stdout -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 8119 Oct 24 17:39 catherine* Poolify (move packages from legacy type locations to pool locations) -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 6736 Oct 24 17:39 charisma* Generate Maintainers file used by e.g. the Debian Bug Tracking System -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 5578 May 23 2002 cindy* Cruft checker for overrides (remove any obsolete entry from overrides files???) -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 8416 Oct 24 17:39 claire.py* 'Fix' stable to make debian-cd and dpkg -BORGiE users happy -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 587 Jan 10 2001 copyoverrides* Copying override files into public view -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 1125 Jul 31 05:19 cron.buildd-security* Executed after jennifer -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 2759 Oct 24 17:39 cron.daily* Executed daily via cron, out of troup's crontab. -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 3197 Oct 24 17:39 cron.daily-non-US* Executed daily via cron, out of troup's crontab. -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 586 Mar 15 2002 cron.monthly* Run at the beginning of the month via cron, out of katie's crontab. -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 485 Jun 8 2002 cron.unchecked-security* Calls jennifer -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 566 Jun 10 03:31 cron.weekly* Run once a week via cron, out of katie's crontab. -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 543 May 15 2002 cron.weekly-non-US* Run once a week via cron, out of katie's crontab. -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 7085 Oct 24 17:39 denise* Output override files for apt-ftparchive and indices/ -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 1112 Nov 27 2000 direport* ? -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 13035 Dec 9 14:24 fernanda.py* Script to automate some parts of checking NEW packages -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 6764 Oct 24 17:39 halle* Remove obsolete .changes files from proposed-updates -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 11478 Oct 24 17:39 heidi* Manipulate suite tags -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 6991 Dec 9 14:24 helena* Produces a report on NEW and BYHAND packages -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 17754 Dec 9 14:24 jenna* Generate file lists used by apt-ftparchive to generate Packages and Sources files -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 50068 Oct 24 17:39 jennifer* Checks Debian packages from Incoming -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 11798 Oct 24 17:39 jeri* Dependency check proposed-updates -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 4241 Oct 24 17:39 julia* Sync PostgreSQL users with system users (what is a PostgreSQL users in this context?) -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 28034 Dec 9 14:24 kelly* Installs Debian packages -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 31158 Dec 9 14:24 lisa* Handles NEW and BYHAND packages -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 6022 Dec 9 14:24 madison* Display information about package(s) (suite, version, etc.) (this one I know) -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 18249 Dec 9 14:24 melanie* General purpose package removal tool for ftpmaster -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 398 Dec 20 2000 mkchecksums* Update the md5sums file -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 858 Sep 25 2001 mklslar* Update the ls-lR. -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 1017 Sep 26 2001 mkmaintainers* Creating Maintainers index -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 11722 Oct 24 17:40 natalie* Manipulate override files -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 28548 Dec 9 14:24 neve* Populate the DB -rwxrwxr-x1 bam bam 7689 Oct 24 17:40 rene* Check for obsolete binary
Re: What should go into How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format?
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:03:05PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Which is why I ask for the second option -- a tarball. Let Debian, Gentoo, BSD, whoever do their own packaging. This includes any of those groups' users. Debian wont package most of the non free software. Greetings Bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],linux.de,debian.org} http://home.pages.de/~eckes/ o--o *plush* 2048/93600EFD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +497257930613 BE5-RIPE (OO) When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl!
Re: Putting .so symlinks in libs package for dlopen()ing?
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 02:02:12AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: I don't see why this is a problem, you'd only need to change the dlopen() code if there's a SONAME change - and that should only change if there's a binary-incompatible difference. A difference that might not be picked up by the internal checking of the code. It would be picked up. That said, it would be nice to depend on the (libtool?) library version numbering, and remove the internal checking code. The Debian package name of libreiserfs (libreiserfs0.3-0) is also named after the SONAME, so you'll have to change the depend anyway - so why not change the code at the same time? I guess the big issue is: what happens if a bug-fix release of libreiserfs is made? Will it continue to work with an unmodified Parted? Cheers, Andrew
