Re: debian-policy: Virtual package: change mp3-encoder with music-encoder

2005-02-14 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:04:36AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't it be necessary for this to work for all music encoders to have
> the same command line interface? I haven't used MP3 encoders for many
> years, but in their simple forms, I vaguely recall them to have been at
> least somewhat similar in their command line syntax. They also produce
> the same type of output.

Acording to what i have in abcde, some mp3-encoders use -if for inputfile, -of
for outputfile, other use the inputfile as an argument but not need outputfile
and finally, lame, gogo, l3enc and xingmp3enc use INPUT and OUTPUT as
arguments.

I admit it is not the same case for all the encoders.

In case you believe i am talking BS i will close the bug.

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Brain Trauma - Flatline EP (Sampler!)

2005-02-14 Thread Kasket Kyle

We now have the full FLATLINE EP sampler up for download. It contains
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Re: Moin 1.3.x: Status of the package moin

2005-02-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 13, Raphael Bossek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If not I will start creating a NMU.
I fully supports this. Sticking to 1.2.x is a pain.

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Re: First line in /etc/hosts

2005-02-14 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 03:01:26PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 01:25:15PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> 
> > However, now we've suddenly discovered that _other_ programs get confused by
> > this! In particular, if you use an NFSv4-patched mount, it does a
> > gethostname() and resolves that, which returns 127.0.0.1, which in turn 
> > makes
> > it happily use that as a client identifier to the remote server. (This 
> > breaks
> > when two or more such clients connect, obviously.)
> 
> This also causes problems for NIS servers, for the same reason - NIS
> needs to hand out the IP address of the machine in some circumstances
> and 127.0.0.1 is inappropriate.  
> 
> Resolving the hostname is a standard method for obtaining an IP address
> for the machine and it would be helpful if it could be reverted since I
> imagine other programs are also going to run into the same issue.

Changing that could also confuse some inner features (e.g.filtering hosts by 
name)
for programs like proftpd. Unfortunately also order is important, I
received at leat one report about that, due to changes in /etc/hosts...

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mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread A Mennucc
hi

I have uploaded a new version of the 'mplayer' package for Debian,
namely version 1.0pre6-1

(Unfortunately it does not show yet in the new queue  at 
http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html 
but it is also accessible at 
http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge
)

I REALLY think that the time has come for mplayer to be part of Debian


--- HISTORY and CURRENT STATUS 

There have been two main problems keeping mplayer out of Debian:
licenses and copyrights.

Licenses:
the upstream code contains some code that is protected by 
(more or less) actively enforced licenses:
DeCSS code to decode encrypted dvd;
ffmpeg and OpenDivx code to en/decode MPEG4.

Solution:
the DeCSS  is deleted from the package proposed for Debian 
(for this reason, I upload mplayer as a native package); 
whereas ffmpeg is not a problem anymore : the package 'ffmpeg'
is in Debian already. 
The OpenDivx code is not there any more, see in section E.2 of docs, or
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mplayer-binary.html 

Copyrights: at some time in the past, a lot of code was added to mplayer
without keeping due track (as GPL requires); this spurred a long
and wild thread in debian and mplayer lists, about 5 years ago.

Solution: lately, the mplayer team did a long and detailed work to track down
the origin of all the code in MPlayer; the results are in the 'Copyright'
file. 


--- PLEA

Please, please

I acknowledge that, in the past, there were many problems that
prevented mplayer from entering Debian; these problems sometimes
spurred flaming threads; I think that these problems are now solved;
but some people would still write  mails as 
"mplayer is a copyright mess" or 
"mplayer is so encumbered by patents it will never go in Debian".

Please forget the past problems and check this package as it is now.

--- POPULAR SUPPORT

there have been many voices asking for mplayer to be in Debian

Jan 05, F Dannemare: 
 " what is now holding back 
   software such as mplayer/mencoder, transcode and mjpegtools from 
   entering Debian?"
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg00721.html 

Goswin von Brederlow :
 "At least I would like to know whats up with mplayer now that ffmpeg is
 in Debian."
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00136.html 

Jul 2004 , L Kaplan:
 "I didn't find any package for MPlayer on the main repository. I checked
 its license and found it to be GPL v2
 (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/info.html)
 Any reason that it won't have a package?"
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/07/msg01522.html 

Jan 04, D Shearer, Re: Top 5 things that aren't in Debian but should be :-)
  "mplayer will definitely make the top 5, it illustrates some of the
   bottle-necks of Debian or better, of the upstream. When two perfect ones
   meet ;) "
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/01/msg00820.html 

M Krafft
  "So can we package it now for Debian?"
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg00942.html 

Moreover there have been many many ITP for mplayer.

--- HISTORY

the history of the effort to have MPlayer into Debian is a lng one;
we have uploaded many packages; the second-but-last time I prepared and/or
uploaded a package was in 
Jul 2003 :  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg01633.html 
  we received some feedback and we corrected all problems in mplayer 0.90
Mar 2004 : 
 there was a nice and contructive thread started by
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00235.html 
 which suggested that mplayer was ready to be accepted
 (but for a minor concern expressed in
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00243.html 
  that was not considered too bad to reject the package).

I then uploaded a package  mplayer 1.0.cvs20030324-1
that was refused (in Aug 04) because 
/usr/share/doc/mplayer/copyright was incomplete; I uploaded a 
corrected version , and never received a reply.


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Re: Xsession doesn't use umask setting from /etc/login.defs

2005-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Tomas Fasth 

| PAM is good. The fact remains, it doesn't handle default umask.

If you use libpam-umask, it does.

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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Lucas de Sousa 

| Assuming that is unclean installation junk.

Assume makes an ass of u an' me.

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.14.1146 +0100]:
> I have uploaded a new version of the 'mplayer' package for Debian,
> namely version 1.0pre6-1

Great. At least in the eyes of our (prospective) users, this was one
major hurdle.

Now let's hope that the ftpmasters look into NEW at least once, eh,
3/4 months...?

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Re: Verify debianhttp://www.perrier.eu.org/debian/voices/-devel@lists.debian.org for Francois.Mescam@onera.fr

2005-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Christian Perrier 

| I was aware of his greylisting system and I should have imagined this
| when sending my mail. Apologies to list subscribers for that.

This isn't greylisting -- greylisting doesn't ask for verification, it
just temporarily refuses to accept the mail.

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[Bugzilla Experimental 2.18 Package] Request for testers

2005-02-14 Thread Alexis Sukrieh
Hello fellow developers, 

As some of you may know, Frankie uploaded a first 2.18 Bugzilla package
to experimental a couple of days ago. 

To enhance the packaging of this big web application, I created a
SubVersioN repository on alioth which already contain the last updates
done on the source trees (for sid: 2.16.7 and experiemental: 2.18).
http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-bugzilla

I also created a mailing list dedicated to Bugzilla :
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-bugzilla-devel

Any installation report of the last experimetnal package (or best, the
last SVN snapshot) is appreciated.
Morover, if some of you is able to reproduce #294770.

Reports are welcome on the pkg-bugzilla list.

Regards.

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Re: debian-policy: Virtual package: change mp3-encoder with music-encoder

2005-02-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 02:57:04PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:04:36AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > Wouldn't it be necessary for this to work for all music encoders to have
> > the same command line interface? I haven't used MP3 encoders for many
> > years, but in their simple forms, I vaguely recall them to have been at
> > least somewhat similar in their command line syntax. They also produce
> > the same type of output.
> 
> Acording to what i have in abcde, some mp3-encoders use -if for inputfile, -of
> for outputfile, other use the inputfile as an argument but not need outputfile
> and finally, lame, gogo, l3enc and xingmp3enc use INPUT and OUTPUT as
> arguments.
> 
> I admit it is not the same case for all the encoders.
> 
> In case you believe i am talking BS i will close the bug.

Well, if any program were to actually depend on this virtual package,
they'd need to know which encoder was being used in order to correctly
support the differing argument conventions. In which case, why not just
depend on the encoders they know how to support, which is presumably a
finite list?

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Re: Bug#295122: RFA: iproute -- Professional tools to control the networking in Linux kernels

2005-02-14 Thread Milan P. Stanic
Hi Andi,

On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:39:15PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> anyone who wants to work on iproute is greatly welcome, perhaps also as
> co-maintainer (and I'm also willing to sponsor people). The reason I 
> intend to give the package away is that I'm not really the great
> networking guy, but I'll try to give the package a warm home till I can
> pass it over to someone else -- and as iproute is quite vital for
> some purposes, I'll do some checks before giving the package away. It is
> _not_ orphaned, I'm "only" looking for somebody else for maintaining.

I raise my hand. I'm not DD so your sponsorship will be appreciated.
I'm subscribed to linux-net (but not netdev) for years so I follow
changes in package.


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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 11:46 +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
> hi
> 
> I have uploaded a new version of the 'mplayer' package for Debian,
> namely version 1.0pre6-1
> 
> (Unfortunately it does not show yet in the new queue  at 
> http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html 
> but it is also accessible at 
> http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge
> )
> 
> I REALLY think that the time has come for mplayer to be part of Debian

What about the Packages for mplayer that Christian Marillat has been
providing for years?

Have you even discussed this with him?

> 
> 
> --- HISTORY and CURRENT STATUS 
> 
> There have been two main problems keeping mplayer out of Debian:
> licenses and copyrights.
> 
> Licenses:
> the upstream code contains some code that is protected by 
> (more or less) actively enforced licenses:
> DeCSS code to decode encrypted dvd;
> ffmpeg and OpenDivx code to en/decode MPEG4.
> 
> Solution:
> the DeCSS  is deleted from the package proposed for Debian 
> (for this reason, I upload mplayer as a native package); 
> whereas ffmpeg is not a problem anymore : the package 'ffmpeg'
> is in Debian already. 
> The OpenDivx code is not there any more, see in section E.2 of docs, or
> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mplayer-binary.html 
> 
> Copyrights: at some time in the past, a lot of code was added to mplayer
> without keeping due track (as GPL requires); this spurred a long
> and wild thread in debian and mplayer lists, about 5 years ago.
> 
> Solution: lately, the mplayer team did a long and detailed work to track down
> the origin of all the code in MPlayer; the results are in the 'Copyright'
> file. 
> 
> 
> --- PLEA
> 
> Please, please
> 
> I acknowledge that, in the past, there were many problems that
> prevented mplayer from entering Debian; these problems sometimes
> spurred flaming threads; I think that these problems are now solved;
> but some people would still write  mails as 
> "mplayer is a copyright mess" or 
> "mplayer is so encumbered by patents it will never go in Debian".
> 
> Please forget the past problems and check this package as it is now.
> 
> --- POPULAR SUPPORT
> 
> there have been many voices asking for mplayer to be in Debian
> 
> Jan 05, F Dannemare: 
>  " what is now holding back 
>software such as mplayer/mencoder, transcode and mjpegtools from 
>entering Debian?"
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg00721.html 
> 
> Goswin von Brederlow :
>  "At least I would like to know whats up with mplayer now that ffmpeg is
>  in Debian."
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00136.html 
> 
> Jul 2004 , L Kaplan:
>  "I didn't find any package for MPlayer on the main repository. I checked
>  its license and found it to be GPL v2
>  (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/info.html)
>  Any reason that it won't have a package?"
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/07/msg01522.html 
> 
> Jan 04, D Shearer, Re: Top 5 things that aren't in Debian but should be :-)
>   "mplayer will definitely make the top 5, it illustrates some of the
>bottle-necks of Debian or better, of the upstream. When two perfect ones
>meet ;) "
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/01/msg00820.html 
> 
> M Krafft
>   "So can we package it now for Debian?"
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg00942.html 
> 
> Moreover there have been many many ITP for mplayer.
> 
> --- HISTORY
> 
> the history of the effort to have MPlayer into Debian is a lng one;
> we have uploaded many packages; the second-but-last time I prepared and/or
> uploaded a package was in 
> Jul 2003 :  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg01633.html 
>   we received some feedback and we corrected all problems in mplayer 0.90
> Mar 2004 : 
>  there was a nice and contructive thread started by
>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00235.html 
>  which suggested that mplayer was ready to be accepted
>  (but for a minor concern expressed in
>http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00243.html 
>   that was not considered too bad to reject the package).
> 
> I then uploaded a package  mplayer 1.0.cvs20030324-1
> that was refused (in Aug 04) because 
> /usr/share/doc/mplayer/copyright was incomplete; I uploaded a 
> corrected version , and never received a reply.
> 
> 
> a.
> 
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Re: debian-policy: Virtual package: change mp3-encoder with music-encoder

2005-02-14 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:43:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> Well, if any program were to actually depend on this virtual package,
> they'd need to know which encoder was being used in order to correctly
> support the differing argument conventions. In which case, why not just
> depend on the encoders they know how to support, which is presumably a
> finite list?

One could of course make a standardized shell wrapper for all the packages.

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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-14 Thread Peter Samuelson

[Tollef Fog Heen]
> Assume makes an ass of u an' me.

Why do people keep circulating this saying?  It makes no sense.
Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person
who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me".  And even then, it's
not like you could get very far in life without making any assumptions,
so at best even that part is only sometimes true.  Is the trick of
splitting a word into 3 words (one of which isn't spelled correctly
anyway) really considered clever enough to be funny when it yields
nonsense?


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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 14, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What about the Packages for mplayer that Christian Marillat has been
> providing for years?
It's well known that he is not interested in having them become part of
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Re: debian-policy: Virtual package: change mp3-encoder with music-encoder

2005-02-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 01:01:15PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:43:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Well, if any program were to actually depend on this virtual package,
> > they'd need to know which encoder was being used in order to correctly
> > support the differing argument conventions. In which case, why not just
> > depend on the encoders they know how to support, which is presumably a
> > finite list?
> 
> One could of course make a standardized shell wrapper for all the packages.

In that case, one would simply depend on that, and the shell wrapper
would depend on an |-ed list of the encoders it understood. I still
don't see that the virtual package could be useful.

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Re: /etc under svk

2005-02-14 Thread Jesus Climent
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 06:36:04PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> a tip to share:
> 
># Install svk
>apt-get install svk
>
># Initialize a depot in /root/.svk
>svk depotmap --init
>
># Import /etc making it a working copy
>svk import --to-checkout //etc /etc
>
># Make your depot not that readable
>chmod -R go-rwx ~/.svk
>
># Remove volatile files from revision control
>cd /etc
>svk rm -K adjtime ld.so.cache
>
>...and voilà, you have /etc/ under revision control, without CVS or .svn
>or {arch} files around. The syntax of svk is just like the syntax of
>svn, of which it's a distributed extension.

Also, if instead of just using svk import one mirrors the //etc svk path from
a repository somewhere accessible, one can use svk push/pull to keep a copy on
a server, where a fault in the local hard disk will not destroy the contents.

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Greg Folkert wrote:
What about the Packages for mplayer that Christian Marillat has been
providing for years?
Have you even discussed this with him?
Hrm, you don't know him, do you? Otherwise you wouldn't be suggesting to 
discuss with him.
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Re: debian-policy: Virtual package: change mp3-encoder with music-encoder

2005-02-14 Thread Ricardo Mones
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:01:15 +0100
"Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:43:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Well, if any program were to actually depend on this virtual package,
> > they'd need to know which encoder was being used in order to correctly
> > support the differing argument conventions. In which case, why not just
> > depend on the encoders they know how to support, which is presumably a
> > finite list?
> 
> One could of course make a standardized shell wrapper for all the packages.

  I think that's the idea behind the music123 package, but for playing.
  Maybe this is a good starting point for the mp3-encoder one.

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Re: Debian mirror scripts

2005-02-14 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:05:56AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> zsync looks suspiciously like it might have similar patent issues
> which killed the rproxy project.
> 
> Then again I am no expert; Please tell me I am wrong...

i'm not an expert either, but the zsync maintainer and i talked to a lot
of people about this issue. and while you can never be sure about
patents i am very confident that zsync is unproblematic. 

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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Peter Samuelson 

| [Tollef Fog Heen]
| > Assume makes an ass of u an' me.
| 
| Why do people keep circulating this saying?  It makes no sense.
| Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person
| who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me".  And even then, it's
| not like you could get very far in life without making any assumptions,
| so at best even that part is only sometimes true. 

It's assuming without actually checking first.  «This looks like junk,
so I'll just rm -rf it» rather than «this looks like junk -- uhm.
*think*.  google around a bit and then removing it the right way.»

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 06:52 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 11:46 +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
> > hi
> > 
> > I have uploaded a new version of the 'mplayer' package for Debian,
> > namely version 1.0pre6-1
> > 
> > (Unfortunately it does not show yet in the new queue  at 
> > http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html 
> > but it is also accessible at 
> > http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge
> > )
> > 
> > I REALLY think that the time has come for mplayer to be part of Debian
> 
> What about the Packages for mplayer that Christian Marillat has been
> providing for years?
> 
> Have you even discussed this with him?

Obviously from other remarks I am a Buffoon.

Surely all the work he has done is worth something, thinking about using
his stuff for a base to work from.

But, obviously, Buffoonism are me.
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Bug#295213: general: Upgrade removed /usr/local (symlink)

2005-02-14 Thread Tuomo Valkonen
Package: general
Severity: grave
Justification: causes non-serious data loss


Apt-get upgrade just moments ago removed my /usr/local/ symlink and
replaced it with a hierarchy of empty directories. The contents of
the proper /usr/local/ on another disk seem to be intact.

The contents of the new /usr/local/ after the upgrade:

~$ find /usr/local/
/usr/local/
/usr/local/lib
/usr/local/lib/python2.3
/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages
/usr/local/lib/python2.1
/usr/local/lib/python2.1/site-packages
/usr/local/lib/python2.2
/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages
/usr/local/lib/xemacs
/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp
/usr/local/share
/usr/local/share/emacs
/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp
/usr/local/share/emacs/21.3
/usr/local/share/emacs/21.3/site-lisp
/usr/local/share/zsh
/usr/local/share/zsh/site-functions


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Bug#295045: qucs: Excellent package - not in deb but should be: easy to compile too.

2005-02-14 Thread John D. Hendrickson
Package: qucs
Version: 0.0.4
Severity: normal



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Hi,

Linux ECAD is the topic today (electronics CADs).

qucs is on sourceforge.net and works with debian easily.  It seems to be
far better than any package debian has and is under active developement.

While SPICE/gnucaps/tclspice may have more accurate simulation - qucs offers 
the longest list of reproduceable sample simulations (qucs has its own
simulator engine - GNUPL).

QUCS is very easy to use and seems nicely stable.  And the simulations
are based on firm mathematics (which is being developed).

I think qucs should be in debian because it allows users to quickly
build and anylyse ciruits like no other ECAD product I've tried using
debian packages or others.

Oh.  A real debian bug too.  Oregano is labeled a GPL sim.  However it
is just a graphic interface for spice3: and it's "oregano2" which is a
rewrite of oregano for Gnome.  Debian doin't have spice3 (and
I'm still looking for that, since ngspice and spicep08s have compile
environment glitches - the annoying kind).


This is a great list too:

http://linas.org/linux/ecad.html


PS:

These I've compiled on debian:
xoscope, chime, qucs

These I gave up on; because other source are more promising:
these are no good unless you like wasting time on win32 hacked things:
spicep08s (not spice3f5...), xosKope, ngspice (I'm still looking for spice3f !!)



Have fun!

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Re: Bug#295045: qucs: Excellent package - not in deb but should be: easy to compile too.

2005-02-14 Thread Martin Michlmayr
reassign 295045 wnpp
retitle 295045 ITP: qucs -- an integrated circuit simulator with a graphical
merge 252450 295045
thanks

* John D. Hendrickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-13 03:30]:
> Linux ECAD is the topic today (electronics CADs).
> 
> qucs is on sourceforge.net and works with debian easily.  It seems to be
> far better than any package debian has and is under active developement.

The procedure for requesting a package in Debian is to file a RFP, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp  Anyway, I see that someone has
indicated their interest in this package already (see
http://bugs.debian.org/252450).  I'm CCing them to this message so
they can comment.

> Oh.  A real debian bug too.  Oregano is labeled a GPL sim.  However it
> is just a graphic interface for spice3: and it's "oregano2" which is a
> rewrite of oregano for Gnome.  Debian doin't have spice3 (and
> I'm still looking for that, since ngspice and spicep08s have compile
> environment glitches - the annoying kind).

It's better to put separate issues into their own bug reports, but I'm
CCing the maintainers of these packages so they can comment.

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Re: Bug#295045: qucs: Excellent package - not in deb but should be: easy to compile too.

2005-02-14 Thread José L. Redrejo
As you can check (http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html), qucs package is
ready and waiting for ftp-masters approval since last December :'(
version 0.0.5 is coming and I will repackage it, send it again to the queue and
continue waiting...

Mensaje citado por Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> reassign 295045 wnpp
> retitle 295045 ITP: qucs -- an integrated circuit simulator with a graphical
> merge 252450 295045
> thanks
> 
> * John D. Hendrickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-13 03:30]:
> > Linux ECAD is the topic today (electronics CADs).
> > 
> > qucs is on sourceforge.net and works with debian easily.  It seems to be
> > far better than any package debian has and is under active developement.
> 
> The procedure for requesting a package in Debian is to file a RFP, see
> http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp  Anyway, I see that someone has
> indicated their interest in this package already (see
> http://bugs.debian.org/252450).  I'm CCing them to this message so
> they can comment.
> 
> > Oh.  A real debian bug too.  Oregano is labeled a GPL sim.  However it
> > is just a graphic interface for spice3: and it's "oregano2" which is a
> > rewrite of oregano for Gnome.  Debian doin't have spice3 (and
> > I'm still looking for that, since ngspice and spicep08s have compile
> > environment glitches - the annoying kind).
> 
> It's better to put separate issues into their own bug reports, but I'm
> CCing the maintainers of these packages so they can comment.
> 
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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread A Mennucc

mplayer_1.0pre6a-1_i386.deb  is linked against  libxvidcore 

sorry folks

I have compiled and uploaded  mplayer_1.0pre6a-2_i386.deb 

it is also accessible at
http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge

thanx emfox for pointing out

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Bug#295213: general: Upgrade removed /usr/local (symlink)

2005-02-14 Thread Frank Küster
Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Package: general
> Severity: grave
> Justification: causes non-serious data loss
>
>
> Apt-get upgrade just moments ago removed my /usr/local/ symlink and
> replaced it with a hierarchy of empty directories. The contents of
> the proper /usr/local/ on another disk seem to be intact.

Is any tetex package installed on the system, and can you give the
version numbers currently installed and, ideally, of the old ones before
the upgrade? We had a bug with /usr/local/ in tetex-base, and this might
be connected.

Regards, Frank

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Re: Bug#295045: qucs: Excellent package - not in deb but should be: easy to compile too.

2005-02-14 Thread Maximiliano Curia
Hola John D. Hendrickson!

El 14/02/2005 a las 13:53 escribiste:
> Oh.  A real debian bug too.  Oregano is labeled a GPL sim.  However it
> is just a graphic interface for spice3: and it's "oregano2" which is a
> rewrite of oregano for Gnome.

The "old" oregano version (gtk-1.2) description says:
 Oregano is an application for schematic capture and printing of
 electrical circuits. It can also be used for simulations if you have
 Berkeley Spice.

The newer versions of oregano (gtk-2.x), add support for gnucap and
ngspice, both included in the Debian archives.

So, I really don't see where the bug is.

>  Debian doin't have spice3 (and I'm still looking for that, since
> ngspice and spicep08s have compile environment glitches - the
> annoying kind).

Please check out the Debian ngspice package.

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Bug#295230: ITP: swscanner -- Simple Wireless Scanner www.swscanner.org

2005-02-14 Thread Andres Seco Hernandez
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Andres Seco Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: swscanner
  Version : 0.1.6
  Upstream Author : Ivan Forcada Atienza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.swscanner.org
* License : GPL
  Description : Simple Wireless Scanner www.swscanner.org

This scanner allows detecting, manage and configure wireless networks.
It is a powerful tool for wardriving, and has a high grade of
compatibility with NetStumbler.

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Nico Golde
Hi,
* A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-14 15:53]:
> 
> mplayer_1.0pre6a-1_i386.deb  is linked against  libxvidcore 
> 
> sorry folks
> 
> I have compiled and uploaded  mplayer_1.0pre6a-2_i386.deb 
> 
> it is also accessible at
> http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge
> 
> thanx emfox for pointing out

package works fine for me just like the normal tarball.
i like to see this in the pool.
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Re: Bug#295045: qucs: Excellent package - not in deb but should be: easy to compile too.

2005-02-14 Thread Matt Flax
Hi all,

Yes, ngspice is also awaiting ftp-master, it is packaged nicely now so 
that it shouldn't have compile time errors on any architecture (fingers 
crossed !) ... the version waiting is ngspice_15-4

Matt

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:38:38PM -0300, Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> Hola John D. Hendrickson!
> 
> El 14/02/2005 a las 13:53 escribiste:
> > Oh.  A real debian bug too.  Oregano is labeled a GPL sim.  However it
> > is just a graphic interface for spice3: and it's "oregano2" which is a
> > rewrite of oregano for Gnome.
> 
> The "old" oregano version (gtk-1.2) description says:
>  Oregano is an application for schematic capture and printing of
>  electrical circuits. It can also be used for simulations if you have
>  Berkeley Spice.
> 
> The newer versions of oregano (gtk-2.x), add support for gnucap and
> ngspice, both included in the Debian archives.
> 
> So, I really don't see where the bug is.
> 
> >  Debian doin't have spice3 (and I'm still looking for that, since
> > ngspice and spicep08s have compile environment glitches - the
> > annoying kind).
> 
> Please check out the Debian ngspice package.
> 
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Bug#295233: ITP: pigeonair -- scalable and modular email services

2005-02-14 Thread Riccardo Setti
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Riccardo Setti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: pigeonair
  Version : x.y.z
  Upstream Author : Pigeonair Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.pigeonair.net
* License : GPL
  Description : scalable and modular email services

 The PigeonAir Project aims at releasing an Open and Free (as in Free
 Speech) GPL solution to easily build up clustered, scalable and modular
 email services, targetted to satisfy all ISP needs.

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A Mennucc)

> Solution:
> the DeCSS  is deleted from the package proposed for Debian 
> (for this reason, I upload mplayer as a native package); 

That is not a valid reason to pretend it is a native package. The
correct thing to do is to create a new .orig.tar.gz with the offending
files removed from it, but keep the rest of the .orig.tar.gz
unchanged. Debian changes and package infrastructure should still go
in a .diff.gz, and the package version should consist of an upstream
version with a separate Debian revision.

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Re: Bug#295233: ITP: pigeonair -- scalable and modular email services

2005-02-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 14 fÃvrier 2005 Ã 17:04 +0100, Riccardo Setti a Ãcrit :
> * Package name: pigeonair
>   Description : scalable and modular email services
> 
>  The PigeonAir Project aims at releasing an Open and Free (as in Free
>  Speech) GPL solution to easily build up clustered, scalable and modular
>  email services, targetted to satisfy all ISP needs.

Does it comply with RFC 1149?

Also, having "open", "free", and "GPL" in the description seems a bit
redundant. On the other side, what "email services" does it implement?
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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Josh Triplett
A Mennucc wrote:
> mplayer_1.0pre6a-1_i386.deb  is linked against  libxvidcore
>
> sorry folks
>
> I have compiled and uploaded  mplayer_1.0pre6a-2_i386.deb
>
> it is also accessible at
> http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge
>
> thanx emfox for pointing out

Given the acceptance of ffmpeg, I can't think of any reason an XviD
package would be rejected.  (Of course, until it is, mplayer still can't
be uploaded linked with it.)

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Bug#295213: general: Upgrade removed /usr/local (symlink)

2005-02-14 Thread Frank Küster
Please be so kind and keep the bug number address in the Cc

Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 03:24:59PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
>> Is any tetex package installed on the system, and can you give the
>> version numbers currently installed and, ideally, of the old ones before
>> the upgrade? We had a bug with /usr/local/ in tetex-base, and this might
>> be connected.
>
> Tetex is installed, tetex-base being currently version 2.0.2c-6. I don't
> know the previous version, but I think I last upgraded sometime around 
> mid-january.

Could it have been after January 24st? This is the date when we released
a version (2.0.2c-4) that erroneously shipped /usr/local/share/texmf in
the deb. This caused a symlink to be converted to a real file for one
user when he upgraded from the buggy version to the fixed version,
2.0.2c-5 (that did no longer contain that directory).

TIA, Frank
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Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Moin,

We need help by competent developers who work on apt 0.6 with the goal
to get it supported properly and eventually enter sid and sarge.

There is a good chance the release will happen before the issues with
apt 0.6 are resolved, so this may be a task that cannot address sarge
in time but only etch and following distributions.  Contributors
should be aware of this.

Quoting Andreas Barth from the release team:

|   Actually, we discussed about apt 0.6 within the release team and
|   with the maintainers. IIRC, the two blocking issues are:
|
|   1. All the concepts
|  - default installation,
|  - key management,
|  - how do security updates work
|  - ...
|  need some review
|
|   2. There is noone who started working on 1.
|
|   (One part of 2. is that nobody made a summary after discussion, as
|   there is 2.)

Hence, there are developers needed who:

 - are able to review apt 0.6
 - are able to review the key management part and
 - design and discuss this with the release team
 - (re-)design and discuss package updates and security updates
 - take into account that the archive key is rotated yearly

It would be a large step forward if sarge could include apt 0.6, so
here is a chance to help improve sarge a lot.

Regards,

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Re: Bug#295213: general: Upgrade removed /usr/local (symlink)

2005-02-14 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Frank Küster wrote:

> Please be so kind and keep the bug number address in the Cc
>
> Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 03:24:59PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
> >> Is any tetex package installed on the system, and can you give the
> >> version numbers currently installed and, ideally, of the old ones before
> >> the upgrade? We had a bug with /usr/local/ in tetex-base, and this might
> >> be connected.
> >
> > Tetex is installed, tetex-base being currently version 2.0.2c-6. I don't
> > know the previous version, but I think I last upgraded sometime around
> > mid-january.
>
> Could it have been after January 24st? This is the date when we released
> a version (2.0.2c-4) that erroneously shipped /usr/local/share/texmf in
> the deb. This caused a symlink to be converted to a real file for one
> user when he upgraded from the buggy version to the fixed version,
> 2.0.2c-5 (that did no longer contain that directory).

Er, don't think so.

dpkg doesn't convert symlinks to dirs.  However, if a user uses tar directly,
then this can occur.



Re: Verify debianhttp://www.perrier.eu.org/debian/voices/-devel@lists.debian.org for Francois.Mescam@onera.fr

2005-02-14 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> This isn't greylisting -- greylisting doesn't ask for verification, it
> just temporarily refuses to accept the mail.


Oversimplification on my side. The point was not nitpicking the system
but give a general explanation...


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Re: Verify debianhttp://www.perrier.eu.org/debian/voices/-devel@lists.debian.org for Francois.Mescam@onera.fr

2005-02-14 Thread Christian Perrier
> Then it is broken.  Automatic mails should be sent to the envelope
> sender, unless explicitly asked otherwise.

Yes, it was (broken)...:-)

And, now it is not broken anymore. People learn by mistakes..:)



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Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.14.1851 +0100]:
> We need help by competent developers who work on apt 0.6 with the goal
> to get it supported properly and eventually enter sid and sarge.

Thank you, Joey!

For the record, I am too strung up right now to be any use in
coordinating this. However, I will help out.

>  - take into account that the archive key is rotated yearly

Why? What argument is there against a per-release key, including
keys for security, testing, unstable, and experimental? It would
certainly make things a little easier...

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Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.14.1851 +0100]:
> > We need help by competent developers who work on apt 0.6 with the goal
> > to get it supported properly and eventually enter sid and sarge.
> 
> Thank you, Joey!
> 
> For the record, I am too strung up right now to be any use in
> coordinating this. However, I will help out.
> 
> >  - take into account that the archive key is rotated yearly
> 
> Why? What argument is there against a per-release key, including
> keys for security, testing, unstable, and experimental? It would
> certainly make things a little easier...

You still need to deal with key revocation and a new key being needed,
anyway.  Yearly changes will not make it more difficult, it will make sure
those codepaths are tested (and used at least once an year).

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Bug#295213: general: Upgrade removed /usr/local (symlink)

2005-02-14 Thread Frank Küster
Hi Tuomo,

Please be so kind and keep the bugnumber address in the Cc line.

Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 05:54:22PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
>> Could it have been after January 24st?
>
> Unlikely. 

Then it is probably not tetex-base's fault.

> And shouldn't that problem have surfaced back then instead
> of today?

It seems that dpkg transparently follows existing symlinks when
installing subdirectories in the symlinked dirs (therefore no problem
upon installation of the buggy version). But when the buggy version is
removed, it removes all empty, unregistered parent directories, and it
seems /usr/local is one of these - and it doesn't care whether it is in
fact a directory or not.

But it is probably an other package that caused this, or the cause is
something completely different. 

Regards, Frank

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Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

> > Why? What argument is there against a per-release key, including
> > keys for security, testing, unstable, and experimental? It would
> > certainly make things a little easier...
> 
> You still need to deal with key revocation and a new key being needed,
> anyway.  Yearly changes will not make it more difficult, it will make sure
> those codepaths are tested (and used at least once an year).

It's probably a good idea to create 2 sarge release signing keys, and
include them with the package.  Use the first to do everything, and
secret split the second key to n trustworthy developers (k of n split).

Should key #1 get compromised somehow, the backup-key is assembled and
used to sign the Release file from now on.  One of the first updates
would probably be the introduction of a new backup key, now that the old
one has been promoted to primary.

A similar 2 key system is probably a good idea for security, and maybe
also for the normal rotated keys (just ship 2005 and 2006 keys now).

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Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.14.1933 
+0100]:
> You still need to deal with key revocation and a new key being
> needed, anyway.  Yearly changes will not make it more difficult,
> it will make sure those codepaths are tested (and used at least
> once an year).

I am not sure a key needs to be revoked, it should just have an
expiry that forces us to release in time. :)

Do we have code paths for certificate management? In that case,
I wonder why it took so long this year...

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Bug#295258: RFP: festvox-itsomething -- Italian voice for Festival

2005-02-14 Thread Enrico Zini
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: festvox-itsomething
  Version : unknown
  Upstream Author : ISTC-SPFD CNR <[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.csrf.pd.cnr.it/TTS/It-FESTIVAL-license.htm
* License : GPL (Finally!!)
  Description : Italian voice for Festival

This is a major event in the Italian Free Software world: after years of
waiting, the authors finally released the Italian voice for Festival
under the GPL!

We can now, in Italy as well, think about building things that speak.

I'd like someone to package this in Debian; I'd like to see this in
Sarge, even.

However I'm clueless about packaging festival voices.  I can't even make
up a name for the package.  I'm happy to offer to comaintain it, though.


Ciao,

Enrico


P.S.
I NEED to plug "polygen unieuro" into it!

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Re: Bug#295213: general: Upgrade removed /usr/local (symlink)

2005-02-14 Thread Frank Küster
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Frank Küster wrote:
>
>> Please be so kind and keep the bug number address in the Cc
>>
>> Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 03:24:59PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
>> >> Is any tetex package installed on the system, and can you give the
>> >> version numbers currently installed and, ideally, of the old ones before
>> >> the upgrade? We had a bug with /usr/local/ in tetex-base, and this might
>> >> be connected.
>> >
>> > Tetex is installed, tetex-base being currently version 2.0.2c-6. I don't
>> > know the previous version, but I think I last upgraded sometime around
>> > mid-january.
>>
>> Could it have been after January 24st? This is the date when we released
>> a version (2.0.2c-4) that erroneously shipped /usr/local/share/texmf in
>> the deb. This caused a symlink to be converted to a real file for one
>> user when he upgraded from the buggy version to the fixed version,
>> 2.0.2c-5 (that did no longer contain that directory).
>
> Er, don't think so.
>
> dpkg doesn't convert symlinks to dirs.

No, that not, for sure. But a user has reported a problem to the
debian-tetex-bin mailinglist that seemed to have the following cause:

1 when the buggy version that contained /usr/local/share/texmf was
  installed, dpkg followed the symlink and created the directory in the
  target dir of the symlink

2 when the corrected version was installed, dpkg first removed the
  directory /usr/local/share/texmf, found that /usr/local/share/ was
  empty and not owned by anyone, removed it, and found the same for
  /usr/local. Therefore it removed it, not caring for its symlinkicity.

3 After this, the corrected version tried whether it could create
  /usr/local/share/texmf in its postinst. But there was an other small
  bug, I used "mkdir -p" for that, and that made /usr/local reappear as
  an ordinary directory.

I don't know whether 2 is really true, but this is how we concluded that
things must have happened.

However, I don't think that in this case it is tetex-base's fault:
First, Tuomo said that the previous upgrade was most probably before
January 24, and second there would have been a /usr/local/share/texmf on
his system, which wasn't.

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Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread sean finney
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:04:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> A similar 2 key system is probably a good idea for security, and maybe
> also for the normal rotated keys (just ship 2005 and 2006 keys now).

i think having two keys would make logistics a lot simpler for release
upgrades, assuming we had a system that mandated valid gpg signatures.
like you suggest, only use one of the two keys, and additionally have
the backup key's secret stored offline in a safe place (does SPI have
a lock box or safe deposit box we could use?).

when it comes time for a new release, or if there is a serious security
breach, et c, the new key could be brought out, used to sign a new backup
key (which would be placed back in the lockbox), the package providing the
key could be updated, and life could happily go on.


sean

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 11:46 +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
> (Unfortunately it does not show yet in the new queue  at 
> http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html 

It does show on the summary. Since there were previous mplayer packages
on NEW, it is listed inside the row of the first package timestamp found
on the queue directory (look over Aug 4th, 2004). 

We are working for extending the summary functionalities, anyway.

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Bug#295267: ITP: gaim-extendedprefs -- extended preferences plugin for the instant messenger gaim

2005-02-14 Thread Arjan Oosting
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Arjan Oosting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: gaim-extendedprefs
  Version : 0.4
  Upstream Author : Kevin Stange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://gaim-extprefs.sourceforge.net/
* License : GPL
  Description : extended preferences plugin for the instant messenger gaim

The Gaim Extended Preferences Plugin adds additional preferences that
have been commonly called for in the past from Gaim that are either
already implemented and hidden, or trivial to implement via a plugin.


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Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?

2005-02-14 Thread Dan Jacobson
Upon apt-get, is it normal to every so often see "Package xxx has
broken dep on yyy"?  However the next day the problem is gone.

If normal, then can't whatever intermediate stage not be split across
the mirror push?  Somehow can consistent versions of xxx and yyy
either be made sure to go out this mirror run together, or both wait
for the next run?


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Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:

> You still need to deal with key revocation and a new key being needed,
> anyway.  Yearly changes will not make it more difficult, it will make sure
> those codepaths are tested (and used at least once an year).

Right now, it's not codepaths, but system administrators. 8->

I can understand that in an ideal world, there would be a master key
stored off-line which would be used to sign (and revoke) the release
keys.  In case of a compromise, the master key can be used to
introduce a new release key (without intervention by the system
administrator).

But I doubt this is really necessary.  If the release key is
compromised, a DSA would have to be released anyway.  This advisory
would include the necessary steps to remove the compromised key from
the system.  Do we really need to automate this?

You could even argue that the scheme without a master key is more
secure because the number of trusted parties is smaller, and no one
can introduce a new release key in a covert manner.  It boils down to
what we are trying to secure.  AFAICS, the main risks are network
layer attacks on the user and mirror breaches.  Easy recovery from a
compromised archive infrastructure shouldn't be a top priority, and it
might well be impossible if the attack was successful (the "single
point of ownership" problem).


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Bug#295288: ITP: sendemail -- smtp email from console sending tool

2005-02-14 Thread David Moreno Garza
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: David Moreno Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: sendemail
  Version : 1.51
  Upstream Author : Brandon Zehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/
* License : GPL with a non-free clause (non-free package)
  Description : smtp email from console sending tool

 SendEmail is a lightweight, completly command line based, SMTP email
 agent. 
 .
 It was designed to be used in bash scripts, Perl programs, and web 
 sites, but it is also quite useful in many other contexts. 
 .
 SendEmail is written in Perl and is unique in that it
 requires no special modules. It has a straight forward interface,
 making it very easy to use. 

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(forw) Packages not using po-debconf - more active actions to come

2005-02-14 Thread Christian Perrier
This was intended for being crossposted to -devel and -i18n but I
finally forgot to add -devel. Please followup to -i18n if you don't
mind.


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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:54:42 +0100
From: Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-i18n@lists.debian.org
Subject: Packages not using po-debconf - more active actions to come
X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/3487

Bringin the power of gettext to debconf (namely "po-debconf") has been
by far one of the major improvements in Debian's i18n infrastructure
over last years (it appeared a few weeks after woody's release and
entered unstable on Oct 1st 2002).

Nearly all, if not all, translators agree that maintaining
translations for packages which do NOT use po-debconf is a real pain
and nearly impossible.

This is why a huge effort was put to have packages which use debconf
switch their templates files to the "new" po-debconf style, which
allows translators to handle their work with the familiar GNU gettext
tools.

We are now left with 102 packages which do not use po-debconf. Most
often these packages have no translation for their templates, or
translations which are highly outdated, making them useless.
Most often they are not very actively maintained, or even
orphaned. Sometimes, their maintainers simply do not care.


Martin Quinson, Michel Grentzinger, myself, André Luis Lopes and a few
other translators have reported bugs against these packages,
suggesting they switch to the "new" system, most often providing them
with a patch.

This is now time for action...:-). Similarly to what was done with
longstanding pending translations, I will start a "NMU campaign"
targeting these packages. This campaign will be made with the same
care for respecting maintainers work and gently interact with them
(this has proven efficient for old pending translations).
We will of course use this opportunity for adding some translations to
these packages..:-)

Of course, help on that matter is very welcomed (Luk, Martin, others...).

Please find below the alphabetical list of the relevant packages
(main, then contrib, then non-free).

I have not yet looked over the BTS for giving the bug numbers for "Please
switch to po-debconf" bug reports. This is still work to do.

The real work will probably not start before early or mid-March...and,
of course, not interfering with the release process will be in the
priorities.

Package list:

am-utils
anthy
asterisk-chan-misdn
blootbot
boa
bottlerocket
chdrv
cricket
cxref
ddclient
ddt
debian-edu-config
delo
diald
dict-gcide
diffmon
discover
dvipdfmx
efingerd
ez-ipupdate
fcron
filterproxy
freenet6
freetds
ftape
ftape-tools
ftpwatch
fvwm-shell
gcl
gclcvs
gdm
gidentd
haskell-mode
hearse
hunglish
hybserv
ifplugd
ispell-fi
jove
joystick
kerberos-configs
laptop-netconf
libapache-sessionx-perl
libdbd-sqlite-perl
libmail-bulkmail-perl
libroxen-imho
libsafe
lids-2.4
links-ssl
localeconf
lowmem
lsh
lukemftpd
mailgraph
mason
masqmail
mdctl
miscfiles
mlmmj
mod-mono
moobot
moviemate
mped
nagat
ndtpd
netkit-base
nn
ntop
php4-pecl-ps
php4-ps
prelude-nids
printbill
python-popy
radioclk
razzle
schoolbell
suck
tripwire
usb-discover
waproamd
webcalendar
x-symbol
xsp
zephyr
zope-docfindereverywhere
zope-loginmanager
zope-zshell

Contrib packages:

acl-installer
ccc
cfal
cfalrtl
cpml
cxml
cxx
daemontools-installer
libots
lw-per-installer
lw-pro-installer
lw-pro-installer-43
quake2-data

Non-free packages:

nttcp
qmail

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Re: Debian mirror scripts

2005-02-14 Thread Brian May
> "Goswin" == Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Goswin> zsync uses the algorithm described in the rsync technical paper
Goswin> afaik. Does rsync have a patent issue? Do we realy care about some
Goswin> stupid countries patents?

My understanding is that rsync doesn't have problems, but rproxy
(which is also based on rsync) does have problems because it does the
calculations at the client side instead of the server side.

Rusty Russell had a webpage up describing the history of the problems
encountered with rproxy, but all I can find right now is an empty
page: http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/index.cgi/rproxy.html> (linked
from: http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/index.cgi/IP/2004-10-14.html>).
IIRC the patent owner wasn't interested in this application of the
patent but was threatening to enforce it regardless.

However, based on Robert's response it would appear that patent issues
have been considered for zsync and considered OK. I would speculate
this is because information is pre-calculated at the server and stored
in *.zsync files.
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Bug#295305: ITP: libapache-mod-choke -- limits concurrent connections per IP and data transfer rate for Apache

2005-02-14 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: libapache-mod-choke
  Version : 0.06
  Upstream Author : Nathan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Copyright   : Cyberheat, Inc 
* URL : http://os.cyberheatinc.com/mod_choke.php
* License : GPL
  Description : limits concurrent connections per IP and data transfer rate 
for Apache

 Module for Apache that limits usage by greedy clients. It's two main
 functions are to limit the number of concurrent connections per IP, and
 to limit the rate at which apache sends data to the client, with
 burst support for the first chunks of a file.
 .
 It includes detection of users behind proxy servers (using the
 X-Referred-By header).

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Re: Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?

2005-02-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:54:26AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Upon apt-get, is it normal to every so often see "Package xxx has
> broken dep on yyy"?  However the next day the problem is gone.
> 
> If normal, then can't whatever intermediate stage not be split across
> the mirror push?  Somehow can consistent versions of xxx and yyy
> either be made sure to go out this mirror run together, or both wait
> for the next run?

That's the problem that the testing distribution is intended to solve.

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Bug#295311: RFH: mysql-dfsg -- mysql database client library

2005-02-14 Thread Christian Hammers
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

I request assistance with maintaining the mysql-dfsg package.

The package description is:
 MySQL is a fast, stable and true multi-user, multi-threaded SQL database
 server. SQL (Structured Query Language) is the most popular database query
 language in the world. The main goals of MySQL are speed, robustness and
 ease of use.

The generated binaries are mysql-server, mysql-client, mysql-common,
libmysqlclient12 and libmysqlclient12-dev.

There is also a set of packages from the mysql-dfsg-4.1 for the next
version branch that I do also maintain (and look for help for).

The packages are currently quite stable and matured but never the less
have quite complex scripts and it's a widely used package which should
not be left alone when I'm on holidays or ill.

Also there are licensing issues every couple of month with which you can
tease the always helpful MySQL employees... *evilgrin*

Although I'm happy for anybody who helps a but, I'm looking specifically
for an official Debian Developer as a Co-Maintainer who is able to upload
packages.

bye,

-christian-


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Bug#295312: RFH: mysql-dfsg-4.1 -- mysql database client library

2005-02-14 Thread Christian Hammers
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

I request assistance with maintaining the mysql-dfsg-4.1 package.

The package description is:
 MySQL is a fast, stable and true multi-user, multi-threaded SQL database
 server. SQL (Structured Query Language) is the most popular database query
 language in the world. The main goals of MySQL are speed, robustness and
 ease of use.
 .
 This package includes the client library.

The generated binaries are mysql-server-4.1, mysql-client-4.1,
mysql-common-4,1, libmysqlclient14 and libmysqlclient14-dev.

There is also a set of packages from the mysql-dfsg (4.0 branch) for the
last version branch that I do also maintain (and look for help for).

The packages are currently quite stable and matured but never the less
have quite complex scripts and it's a widely used package which should
not be left alone when I'm on holidays or ill.

Also there are licensing issues every couple of month with which you can
tease the always helpful MySQL employees... *evilgrin*

Although I'm happy for anybody who helps a but, I'm looking specifically
for an official Debian Developer as a Co-Maintainer who is able to
upload
packages.

bye,

-christian-
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debian-devel-changes question/request

2005-02-14 Thread Marek Habersack
Hey folks,

  It's just a simple question/request. Would it be possible to include
custom headers in the messages sent to debian-devel-changes that would
contain the package name, version and distribution, like so:

  X-Debian-Package: foo
  X-Debian-PackageVersion: 1.2.3-1
  X-Debian-PackageDist: unstable

Parts of the information can be parsed from the subject line, provided that
the subject isn't munged by some anti-spam software, but I think it would be
easier to automate processing of such mails wherever needed (yes, I need it
for a small project of mine, that's why I'm asking :) - but I think it could
be useful in general). Thoughts?

thanks,

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Ken Bloom
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:46:38 +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
> There have been two main problems keeping mplayer out of Debian: licenses
> and copyrights.
> 
> Licenses:
> the upstream code contains some code that is protected by (more or less)
> actively enforced licenses: DeCSS code to decode encrypted dvd;
> ffmpeg and OpenDivx code to en/decode MPEG4.
> 
> Solution:
> the DeCSS  is deleted from the package proposed for Debian

What functionality do we lose by doing this?

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Bug#295328: general: Help messages to stderr should be banned

2005-02-14 Thread Justin Pryzby
Package: general
Severity: wishlist

I occasionally install a program and need to know how to use it as
quickly as possible; for example, while reading through bug reports.
So, I run foo --help.  Sometimes, the help screen is more than 25
lines long, and it scrolls on past.  So, I run foo --help |less.
Occasionally, though, foo writes its help output to stderr, and I'm
left with an empty less buffer.  So, I try again: foo --help 2>&1
 |less.  This is a pretty obnoxious command to have to type just to
see what the required commands are, and in what order they are taken
(and, I guess csh doesn't even allow it).

I already know that I can use the video buffer with shift-pageup.  And
I know that help output is supposed to fit on a single page, but I
also know that sometimes it doesn't.

I suppose I will start filing minor bugs against packages that do
this.  I'd like to hear other people's opinions, though.  (It occurs
to me that help output to stderr is arguably appropriate if an invalid
option is given).  Part of the problem is that its fairly depressing
when investigation into one bug leads to filing of another bug:)


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Re: Bug#295328: general: Help messages to stderr should be banned

2005-02-14 Thread John Hasler
Justin Pryzby writes:
> It occurs to me that help output to stderr is arguably appropriate if an
> invalid option is given

But '--help' is not an invalid option.

I'll have to check my packages.
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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mar 15 FÃvrier 2005 03:02, Ken Bloom a Ãcrit :
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:46:38 +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
> > There have been two main problems keeping mplayer out of Debian:
> > licenses and copyrights.
> >
> > Licenses:
> > the upstream code contains some code that is protected by (more or
> > less) actively enforced licenses: DeCSS code to decode encrypted
> > dvd; ffmpeg and OpenDivx code to en/decode MPEG4.
> >
> > Solution:
> > the DeCSS  is deleted from the package proposed for Debian
>
> What functionality do we lose by doing this?

we are unable to read encrypted DVD (quite all of them that means). 
*but* I guess that this mplayer (I've not tested it though) is able to 
dlopen the libdcss2 that is packaged on third party mirrors (e.g. on C. 
Marilliat's repo)
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Re: Request for Help: apt 0.6

2005-02-14 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Moin,
> 
> We need help by competent developers who work on apt 0.6 with the goal
> to get it supported properly and eventually enter sid and sarge.
> 
> There is a good chance the release will happen before the issues with
> apt 0.6 are resolved, so this may be a task that cannot address sarge
> in time but only etch and following distributions.  Contributors
> should be aware of this.


The effort on getting it as translated as 0.5 is (27 complete
languages) is on its way, so PLEASE do not change messages which are
outputted to users without saying so in the APT development list.

I also have a patch for bringing some consistency in the way APT uses
capitalization in its output. It Seems That Too Many German Developers
Wären Involved In It...:-) (kidding you, people, no offense intended to
people who indeed made great job).




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Bug#295331: O: fetchmail

2005-02-14 Thread Graham Wilson
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

I haven't been able to take good care of the fetchmail package, and
therefore I'm orphaning it.

I'd like whoever adopts it to be able to spend a good amount of time
with the package. Upstream has been slow lately, and the adopter would
likely end up working with upstream. Whoever adopts the package should
be very familiar with C and Bourne shell scripting.

I'd also ideally like to find someone who uses the system-wide fetchmail
setup, since I was never able to test that very well.

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gram


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Re: Bug#295328: general: Help messages to stderr should be banned

2005-02-14 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 10:47:24PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Justin Pryzby writes:
> > It occurs to me that help output to stderr is arguably appropriate if an
> > invalid option is given
> 
> But '--help' is not an invalid option.
> 
It depends on programs, sometimes the same usage function is used for
either --help or invalid options. Not always GNU rules are
followed appropriately.

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all new Debian diagram - now with less chaos!

2005-02-14 Thread Kevin Mark
Hi debianista,

after my initial work on a diagram, and the comments and the work of
madduck,  I had some time to redo my diagram to produce a totally new
concept. any comment appreciated.

http://kmark.home.pipeline.com/newdebian.png
http://kmark.home.pipeline.com/newdebian.dia

cherio,
Kev

ps. 
at this point I left out any mention of the security infrastructure as I
dont have a complete picture of it, yet.
pps.
thanks madduck for your diagram as it gave me something with which to compare.
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Re: Bug#293785: ITP: gnomebaker -- CD/DVD writer for the GNOME desktop

2005-02-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 04:18:23PM -0200, Goedson Teixeira Paixao wrote:
>  Obs.: version 0.3 has not been released, yet. Packages built from current 
>  CVS can be found at 
>  http://people.debian.org/~goedson/debian/packages/gnomebaker/snapshots/  

There's a reason it spews all this cr*p to stdout?  Oh, that's right, it's
a Gnome application.

Oh, and the 0.3-1 package segfaults right after it announces it's loading
the GUI:

(gdb) bt
#0  0x401d15f1 in gnome_vfs_mime_get_value () from /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0
(gdb) bt
#0  0x401d15f1 in gnome_vfs_mime_get_value () from /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0
#1  0x401cecd9 in gnome_vfs_mime_get_description ()
   from /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0
#2  0x08056553 in filebrowser_populate ()
#3  0x0805682d in filebrowser_sel_changed ()
#4  0x407f13b6 in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID ()
   from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#5  0x407df6b6 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#6  0x407f0ec8 in g_signal_emit_by_name () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#7  0x407eff4c in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#8  0x407f01e6 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#9  0x404e118e in _gtk_tree_selection_internal_select_node ()
   from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#10 0x404e00f6 in gtk_tree_selection_select_path ()
   from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#11 0x404e02d4 in gtk_tree_selection_select_iter ()
   from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#12 0x0805776a in filebrowser_setup_tree ()
#13 0x08057d9f in filebrowser_new ()
#14 0x08058b09 in gnomebaker_new ()
#15 0x08051315 in main ()

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Re: mplayer, the time has come

2005-02-14 Thread Joshua Kwan
Ken Bloom wrote:
Solution:
the DeCSS  is deleted from the package proposed for Debian

What functionality do we lose by doing this?
--Ken Bloom
The ability to play any DVD you buy in a store?
It's the same functionality Xine loses; however, if mplayer uses
dvdread, it'll automatically use libdvdcss2 if you install it yourself
(there are some clear instructions in the package) and thus allow
viewing of DVDs.
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