Adding dMagnetic - A Magnetic Scrolls Interpreter with ANSI art?

2019-05-27 Thread dettus

Hello.


My name is Thomas Dettbarn, and following a suggestion on 
debian-upstream@, I would like to advertise an RFP/RFA I reported to the 
bugtracker:


https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929619


Hopefully this increases its visibility. :)


This package, which I would very much like to see in your package 
collection, is a Magnetic Scrolls Interpreter. When I grew up, they 
wrote beautiful text adventures, such as "The Pawn" or "The Guild Of 
Thieves". My dreams were always to be able to play them not only on 
modern hardware, but also in a terminal window.


I succeeded, you can see the beautiful screenshots on the website I 
created for that purpose: http://www.dettus.net/dMagnetic



 I already succeeded in creating the inkling of the package, you would 
have to download the sources, apply the patches, and then you could 
compile everything. I took the liberty of uploading it to github: 
https://github.com/dettus/ports_and_packages/


What I am looking for is somebody putting on the finishing touches on 
the package, and ideally taking over as "Maintainer", since I see myself 
more as a "Developer".



Thomas Dettbarn


P.S.: Please please put my project in your package repository! :)




Re: Some questions about DD status and salsa

2019-05-27 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/05/28 01:05, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> I am happy with being now a non-uploading DD. And I dont know where to
> ask, sorry for the noise.
> 
> For non-uploading DD, is a salsa account created? I tried to auth with
> it, but not possible, then to reset the passwd, but I dont rceive mail
> to do it on @debian.org.

Our nomenclature is a bit confusing on that one. In reality, a DD and a
none-uploading DD are very similar, the significant difference is that a
none-uploading DD doesn't have upload rights to the debian archive. Both
are full project members that represent the project and can vote in the
elections.

People who aren't DDs can sign up for a guest account on salsa using:
https://signup.salsa.debian.org/

More information on https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc

-Jonathan

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Accepted pkgsel 0.66 (source) into unstable

2019-05-27 Thread Holger Wansing
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 .
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 .
   [ Cyril Brulebois ]
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2019-05-27 Thread Holger Wansing
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Changed-By: Holger Wansing 
Closes: 927494
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 .
   * Team upload
 .
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Accepted t-digest 1:3.0-2 (source) into unstable

2019-05-27 Thread tony mancill
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 .
   [ tony mancill ]
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Re: Difficult Packaging Practices

2019-05-27 Thread Vincent Bernat
 ❦ 28 mai 2019 08:59 +08, Paul Wise :

>> People using tools like fpm will never get familiar with our tools and
>> will never be contributors.
>
> I enjoyed your blog post about pragmatic packaging using Debian's
> tools instead of fpm, it seems like a good approach if one is
> committed to using Debian, especially since it allows for incremental
> improvement towards a package that could even enter Debian.
>
> https://vincent.bernat.ch/en/blog/2019-pragmatic-debian-packaging
>
> OTOH I get the feeling that most FLOSS upstreams are interested in
> cross-OS and cross-distro packaging rather than Debian-specific
> packaging. I don't have a good feeling for how "sticky" OS/distro
> choices are for folks who are building non-FLOSS services on top of
> FLOSS distros.

Yes, upstreams are more likely to prefer one tool. However, if you
contribute a native implementation that works accross the same set of
Debian-derivative distributions, in my experience, they are usually
eager to accept it it stays simple enough to not be a maintenance
burden. Of course, it helps if they didn't start with fpm.
-- 
Make sure your code "does nothing" gracefully.
- The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plauger)


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Accepted raqm 0.7.0-1 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread Ahmed El-Mahmoudy
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Maintainer: أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) 

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Re: Difficult Packaging Practices

2019-05-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 2:52 PM Vincent Bernat wrote:

> People using tools like fpm will never get familiar with our tools and
> will never be contributors.

I enjoyed your blog post about pragmatic packaging using Debian's
tools instead of fpm, it seems like a good approach if one is
committed to using Debian, especially since it allows for incremental
improvement towards a package that could even enter Debian.

https://vincent.bernat.ch/en/blog/2019-pragmatic-debian-packaging

OTOH I get the feeling that most FLOSS upstreams are interested in
cross-OS and cross-distro packaging rather than Debian-specific
packaging. I don't have a good feeling for how "sticky" OS/distro
choices are for folks who are building non-FLOSS services on top of
FLOSS distros.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise



Accepted dot-forward 1:0.71-5 (source) into unstable

2019-05-27 Thread Andreas Beckmann
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Maintainer: Debian QA Group 
Changed-By: Andreas Beckmann 
Changes:
 dot-forward (1:0.71-5) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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   * Bump version to 1:0.71-5 to not reuse a version number that was used
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Some questions about DD status and salsa

2019-05-27 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Hi,

I am happy with being now a non-uploading DD. And I dont know where to
ask, sorry for the noise.

For non-uploading DD, is a salsa account created? I tried to auth with
it, but not possible, then to reset the passwd, but I dont rceive mail
to do it on @debian.org.

Thanks for your help

Regards


   
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Accepted plinth 19.8 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread James Valleroy
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: FreedomBox packaging team 

Changed-By: James Valleroy 
Changes:
 plinth (19.8) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Pavel Borecki ]
   * Translated using Weblate (Czech)
 .
   [ Allan Nordhøy ]
   * Translated using Weblate (Norwegian Bokmål)
 .
   [ Sunil Mohan Adapa ]
   * i2p: Update SVG logo with standard units, size and margins
   * HACKING: Add guidelines for creating new icons
   * icons: Add new SVG icons for all apps
   * icons: Add license information for SVG icons
   * templates: Use SVG icons for apps page and shortcuts
   * icons: Ensure SVG presence for all non-app icons
   * icons: Update copyright information remaining icons
   * doc: Update the correct license for documentation
   * apache: Serve SVG files compressed using gzip
 .
   [ Doma Gergő ]
   * Translated using Weblate (Hungarian)
 .
   [ ssantos ]
   * Translated using Weblate (German)
 .
   [ Mesut Akcan ]
   * Translated using Weblate (Turkish)
 .
   [ ventolinmono ]
   * Translated using Weblate (Spanish)
 .
   [ Petter Reinholdtsen ]
   * Translated using Weblate (Norwegian Bokmål)
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   * locate: Update translation strings
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   * debian: Remove duplicate priority field
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Accepted telegram-desktop 1.7.0-1 (source) into experimental

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Accepted poppler 0.71.0-5 (source amd64 all) into unstable

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian freedesktop.org maintainers 

Changed-By: Moritz Muehlenhoff 
Description:
 gir1.2-poppler-0.18 - GObject introspection data for poppler-glib
 libpoppler-cpp-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files (CPP interface)
 libpoppler-cpp0v5 - PDF rendering library (CPP shared library)
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interface)
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interface
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 libpoppler-qt5-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files (Qt 5 
interface)
 libpoppler82 - PDF rendering library
 poppler-utils - PDF utilities (based on Poppler)
Closes: 926530 929423
Changes:
 poppler (0.71.0-5) unstable; urgency=medium
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Accepted openjdk-8 8u212-b03-1 (source) into unstable

2019-05-27 Thread Matthias Klose
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:51:40 +0200
Source: openjdk-8
Architecture: source
Version: 8u212-b03-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: OpenJDK Team 
Changed-By: Matthias Klose 
Closes: 922757 925407
Changes:
 openjdk-8 (8u212-b03-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Matthias Klose ]
   * Configure --with-vendor-name.
   * 8221355: Fix performance regression after JDK-8155635 backport into 8u.
 .
   [ Tiago Stürmer Daitx ]
   * Update to 8u212-b03. LP: #1826001.
   * Security fixes:
 - S8211936, CVE-2019-2602: Better String parsing.
 - S8218453, CVE-2019-2684: More dynamic RMI interactions.
 - S8219066, CVE-2019-2698: Fuzzing TrueType fonts: setCurrGlyphID().
   * Revert to GTK2 as default since GTK3 still has padding and component
 issues:
 - debian/rules: always Build-Depends on libgtk2.0-dev and Depends on
   libgtk2.0-0 instead of relying on gtk3 for some releases.
   * debian/control: add missing dependency on testng (required by the
 testsuites).
 .
   [ Andrej Shadura ]
   * debian/rules: check for nodoc instead of nodocs in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS.
 Closes: 922757.
 .
   [ Matthias Klose ]
   * debian/rules, debian/tests/jtdiff-autopkgtest.sh,
 debian/tests/jtreg-autopkgtest.in, debian/tests/jtreg-autopkgtest.sh:
 only set the JDK under test and allow jtreg to use its default JDK
 for running the tests.
 .
   [ Thorsten Glaser ]
   * Improve compatibility with older releases. Closes: #925407.
 - debian/rules: determine source date using backwards-compatible
   dpkg-parsechangelog call.
 - debian/control.in: put @bd_cross@ onto same line as @bd_nss@ as
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Accepted openjdk-8 8u212-b01-1 (all amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el s390x source) into unstable, unstable

2019-05-27 Thread Matthias Klose
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:26:02 +0100
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Version: 8u212-b01-1
Distribution: sid
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: all Build Daemon (x86-bm-01) 

Changed-By: Matthias Klose 
Description: 
 openjdk-8-dbg - Java runtime based on OpenJDK (debugging symbols)
 openjdk-8-demo - Java runtime based on OpenJDK (demos and examples)
 openjdk-8-doc - OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) documentation
 openjdk-8-jdk-headless - OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) (headless)
 openjdk-8-jdk - OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
 openjdk-8-jre-headless - OpenJDK Java runtime, using  (headless)
 openjdk-8-jre - OpenJDK Java runtime, using
 openjdk-8-jre-zero - Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using Zero/Shark
 openjdk-8-source - OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) source files
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 .
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Accepted creduce 2.10.0-1 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread Matthias Klose
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Maintainer: Debian GCC Maintainers 
Changed-By: Matthias Klose 
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Accepted node-liftoff 3.1.0-2 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread Pirate Praveen
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Version: 3.1.0-2
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Javascript Maintainers 

Changed-By: Pirate Praveen 
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Accepted openjdk-13 13~22-1 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread Matthias Klose
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Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 19:44:41 +0200
Source: openjdk-13
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Version: 13~22-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: OpenJDK Team 
Changed-By: Matthias Klose 
Closes: 928167
Changes:
 openjdk-13 (13~22-1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * OpenJDK 13 snapshot, build 22.
   * Fix src.zip symlink. Addresses: #923118.
   * Update patch for m68k support (Adrian Glaubitz). Closes: #928167.
   * Configure with --with-version-pre='ea' for upstream tags which are
 not upstream releases (has to be set manually).
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Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Meurer  writes:

> Depending on the software you packages, doing the initial packaging
> already requires a lot of knowledge about library handling, doc build
> systems, makefiles, the filesystem hierarchy standard, language-specific
> toolchains, etc.

> To properly build the package you have to learn either sbuild or
> pbuilder. Which involves understanding and creating chroots/VMs/...

> For proper version controlling, things like git-buildpackage (and/or
> dgit) and the "3.0 (quilt)" format need to be understood.

> And for testing, you need to learn about piuparts, autopkgtest, as well
> as again chroots and/or containers for local testing.

> That's a very high bar for entering the world of Debian packaging.

I completely agree.

How can we fix this?  I've written some documentation of my personal
approaches, but I think documentation, even with step-by-step
instructions, may not be the best way to cut through all that complexity.

When I look at other ecosystems, there often is less diversity than we
have in Debian (newer languages like Rust or Go, for instance, have
converged strongly on a single choice of build system), but perhaps even
more helpfully they've automated a lot of that flow or at least wrapped it
into single tools.

Debian rightfully values its diversity, and while I think pushing us to
think about whether that diversity is still serving a purpose is valuable,
I am sure we don't want to give it up entirely.  But I think there's a
missing gap here for a very opinionated combination of a tool and a
document that says "here is one coherent way to package things for Debian;
you don't have to do things this way at all, but if you don't have
opinions about all this stuff, use this."  I don't think we have that
right now.

By this, I mean way more than just the packaging.  Imagine a world where
you apt-get install decisive (name made up) and then run decisive setup
and it sets up an sbuild environment for you, and then run decisive init
on an upstream directory and it builds a packaging template using dh and
3.0 (quilt) and autogenerates your copyright file using licensecheck.
Running decisive format runs cme fix, running decisive lint runs lintian
and cme check, running decisive check runs puiparts for you, and
autopkgtest, and whatever else we can come up with.  Running decisive
upload runs dgit push for you.  And so forth.

We have some of those pieces already, of course, and writing this sort of
tool is a little fraught for all the tools upstream of them since they'll
get an influx of user bugs from people who don't really understand how the
tool works because they're not using it directly.  So this isn't without
cost.  But I don't think we've ever assembled the *entire* packaging
workflow into a tool like this that has strong opinions and a mandate to
*not* allow every possible variation and instead just focus on being a
very simple and easy-to-understand workflow for the 80% case.  (Obviously
we'd want to try to design it so that it's relatively easy to use
selectively as someone gets better at packaging and makes some alternate
choices.)

To be clear, I personally don't have time to work on this.  But I think it
would fill a valuable niche in our ecosystem, particularly if accompanied
by a supporting document that lays out *why* those tools were chosen and
provides a few pointers to alternatives for someone who starts getting
curious about other ways to do things.  I've seen this kind of approach be
successful elsewhere; the idea is to make common things easy while getting
out of your way if you need to do something uncommon and complicated.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)   



Accepted poedit 2.2.3-1~exp1 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread Gianfranco Costamagna
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Version: 2.2.3-1~exp1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian l10n developers 
Changed-By: Gianfranco Costamagna 
Description:
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 poedit-common - Common files for poedit
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted poppler 0.71.0-4.1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2019-05-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
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Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 17:10:35 +0100
Source: poppler
Binary: gir1.2-poppler-0.18 libpoppler-cpp-dev libpoppler-cpp0v5 
libpoppler-cpp0v5-dbgsym libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev libpoppler-glib-doc 
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libpoppler82-dbgsym poppler-utils poppler-utils-dbgsym
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 0.71.0-4.1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian freedesktop.org maintainers 

Changed-By: Jonathan Wiltshire 
Description:
 gir1.2-poppler-0.18 - GObject introspection data for poppler-glib
 libpoppler-cpp-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files (CPP interface)
 libpoppler-cpp0v5 - PDF rendering library (CPP shared library)
 libpoppler-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files
 libpoppler-glib-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files (GLib 
interface)
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interface
 libpoppler-glib8 - PDF rendering library (GLib-based shared library)
 libpoppler-private-dev - PDF rendering library -- private development files
 libpoppler-qt5-1 - PDF rendering library (Qt 5 based shared library)
 libpoppler-qt5-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files (Qt 5 
interface)
 libpoppler82 - PDF rendering library
 poppler-utils - PDF utilities (based on Poppler)
Closes: 924029
Changes:
 poppler (0.71.0-4.1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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   * Prevent a crash due to null pointer dereferencing in
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Accepted wireshark 2.6.8-1.1 (source) into unstable

2019-05-27 Thread Dr. Tobias Quathamer
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Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Scott Kitterman



On May 27, 2019 11:50:38 AM UTC, Sam Hartman  wrote:
>> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman  writes:
>Scott> If we want to make not using dh except in certain situations
>Scott> a bug, it seems like something for a policy should kind of
>Scott> item.  We have an existing process for updating policy, so
>Scott> this should probably be kicked over there for further
>Scott> evaluation.
>
>So a discussion like this tends to serve as inputs to discussions in
>the
>rest of the project including policy.  However, I'd hope that delegates
>like the policy editors or the TC would be guided by project consensus.
>
>And If this consensus call stands, my next action as DPL will be to
>talk
>to various people who are impacted about next steps.
>
>The project is not well served by having each team rehash all the
>global
>discussions.
>Absolutely, whoever takes this on on the policy front (TC or policy
>editors) should figure out how to say this in policy.  Absolutely if
>they find factors we failed to consider globally they should come back
>to us.  If they read the discussion and believe I made the wrong
>consensus call for that discussion, they should come back and say so.
>
>But no I think we as a community right here get to decide what's a bug
>if we want to, and I think it's reasonable for us to hold our delegates
>accountable for implementing that decision or having a good reason to
>do
>otherwise.
>
>--Sam

That's fine.  I've no objection to the determination that there is rough 
consensus among the DD's that participate on debian-devel that packages should 
use dh.

My concern is that this is not sufficient to resolve the question of if a 
package buggy that does not do so.  I'd like it also to be clear that because 
lintian flags something like this isn't enough to make a package buggy.

I think the policy process is the next step to implement this aspect of the 
discussion.

Scott K



Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Scott Leggett
On 2019-05-27.12:27, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't have *links* either, but when introducing people
> into the world of Debian packaging recently, I always got the impression
> that they were heavily overwhelmed by the complexity of the Debian
> ecosystem.

As a recently promoted DM, this was definitely my experience. It's taken
me years to become somewhat competent at building packages.

> Depending on the software you packages, doing the initial packaging
> already requires a lot of knowledge about library handling, doc build
> systems, makefiles, the filesystem hierarchy standard, language-specific
> toolchains, etc.
> 
> To properly build the package you have to learn either sbuild or
> pbuilder. Which involves understanding and creating chroots/VMs/...

You also have to even know that sbuild and pbuilder are options, how
those relate to all the other tools like debuild, pdebuild,
dpkg-buildpackage etc..

> For proper version controlling, things like git-buildpackage (and/or
> dgit) and the "3.0 (quilt)" format need to be understood.

This is also not at all obvious for a newcomer.

> And for testing, you need to learn about piuparts, autopkgtest, as well
> as again chroots and/or containers for local testing.

For a long time I didn't use piuparts or autopkgtest due to barely being
aware that they existed. And don't forget the dozens of useful
devscripts like wrap-and-sort that it seems not all packagers know
about.

> That's a very high bar for entering the world of Debian packaging.
>
> My opinion is that more uniformity in packaging practices will bring a
> bit more simplicity as well. Therefore I applaud Sam's initiative to
> require DH whereever it's sensible.

Absolutely. This is an incremental change to simplify one corner of the
sprawling Debian packaging ecosystem. I hope it's just the first of
many recommendations for a "happy path" to Debian packaging nirvana.

> I think that Debian would gain a lot if the vast majority of packages
> were packaged using DH and development would happen in Git on Salsa
> using a common Git format. I agree that there should be exceptions.

Agreed.

-- 
Regards,
Scott Leggett.


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Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hi Sam,

Sam Hartman:
>> "Jonas" == Jonas Meurer  writes:
> Jonas> My opinion is that more uniformity in packaging practices
> Jonas> will bring a bit more simplicity as well. Therefore I applaud
> Jonas> Sam's initiative to require DH whereever it's sensible.
> 
> Hi.
> I'm acting as a facilitator here not as a proponent.
> My job as DPL in this discussion is not to guide us to requiring dh.
> My job is to understand what we as a project want and then to ask the
> appropriate teams in our project to implement this.
> 
> It would be inappropriate for me as DPL to actually be trying to get us
> to require dh until we as a community decide (as I believe we've done)
> that in a lot of circumstances, that's what we want.

Sorry for not being clear here. I didn't mean that you're the one who
*decides* on this question, but that you're the one who took the
initiative to drive forward a project-wide consensus to require DH
whereever sensible.

Cheers
 jonas



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Accepted cloudcompare 2.10.1-2 (source) into unstable

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Bug#929620: ITP: python-django-storages -- storage backends in Django

2019-05-27 Thread Michael Fladischer
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Michael Fladischer 

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  Upstream Author : Josh Schneier 
* URL : https://github.com/jschneier/django-storages/
* License : BSD-3-Clause, Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : storage backends in Django


 django-storages is a collection of custom storage backends for Django. Each
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 to determine what you need to add.

I intend to maintain this package as part of DPMT.

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Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Jonas" == Jonas Meurer  writes:


Jonas> My opinion is that more uniformity in packaging practices
Jonas> will bring a bit more simplicity as well. Therefore I applaud
Jonas> Sam's initiative to require DH whereever it's sensible.

Hi.
I'm acting as a facilitator here not as a proponent.
My job as DPL in this discussion is not to guide us to requiring dh.
My job is to understand what we as a project want and then to ask the
appropriate teams in our project to implement this.

It would be inappropriate for me as DPL to actually be trying to get us
to require dh until we as a community decide (as I believe we've done)
that in a lot of circumstances, that's what we want.


--Sam



Re: Difficult Packaging Practices

2019-05-27 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ben" == Ben Finney  writes:

Ben> Sam Hartman  writes:
>> If you just want to get upstream's idea of their package onto a
>> system with their release schedule and their recommended
>> dependency versions, there are better ways than getting a package
>> into Debian.

Ben> In the Debian mentors forum (that is, the chat channel, the
Ben> mailing list, etc.) we make a point of saying: that's fine!

Ben> Not every package needs to be in Debian, for its users to
Ben> install that package.

I think I was trying to agree with you.


I'd actually recommend understanding people's pain points for other
approaches and making sure there aren't things we can do to make it
easier.

As an example, Ubuntu makes it easy to add side-loaded channels (ppas).
we don't.

The fast-paced repository discussion from earlier this year is another
example of where we could address a pain point.

Another pain point is people who would like to do the work of making
something stable but who need a fixed set of dependencies; the space
where containers might be a solution.
We as a distribution haven't done a lot there beyond including flatpak
and snap.

--Sam



Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Alex Mestiashvili



On 5/27/19 6:29 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 07:28:55PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
>>> We "uphold this reputation" by maintaining many packages, which is
>>> good.
>>
>> Do we? I am now using nix to get packages for stuff not in Debian. Our
>> package count is artificially inflated by *-perl packages, golang-*
>> packages which may not be present in some other distributions. But for
>> some ecosystems, we are severely behind. We may argue we are better on
>> some metrics, but this has nothing to do with the fact we have so many
>> ways to build a package.
> 
> Some Debian Med people are concerned about the droping usage of Debian
> Med packages since people prefer BioConda[1] over it.  There is even a
> scientific paper (I've only seen a printed version not online yet) who
> compares ways to package biology software.  We are way better than other
> distributions - but we are lagging begind BioConda a lot.  We have some
> upstreams who are doing Debian packaging by the help of the Debian Med
> team but that's just a minor fraction.  Lots of BioConda packages are
> maintained by Upstream since they consider it easy.
> 
> In short:  Our "reputation" is scaring people away to favour other
> techniques. 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
>Andreas.
> 
> [1] https://bioconda.github.io/
> 

Debian packaging is also pretty easy if one doesn't care about FHS,
Mutli-Arch, licensing, reproducibility, autopkgtests, hardening and so
on. I believe the list is quite long.

One of the killer features of conda is that conda software can be
managed without root. In some cases it is very important. And of course
that conda is available on osx and windows.

Best,
Alex













Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman  writes:
Scott> If we want to make not using dh except in certain situations
Scott> a bug, it seems like something for a policy should kind of
Scott> item.  We have an existing process for updating policy, so
Scott> this should probably be kicked over there for further
Scott> evaluation.

So a discussion like this tends to serve as inputs to discussions in the
rest of the project including policy.  However, I'd hope that delegates
like the policy editors or the TC would be guided by project consensus.

And If this consensus call stands, my next action as DPL will be to talk
to various people who are impacted about next steps.

The project is not well served by having each team rehash all the global
discussions.
Absolutely, whoever takes this on on the policy front (TC or policy
editors) should figure out how to say this in policy.  Absolutely if
they find factors we failed to consider globally they should come back
to us.  If they read the discussion and believe I made the wrong
consensus call for that discussion, they should come back and say so.

But no I think we as a community right here get to decide what's a bug
if we want to, and I think it's reasonable for us to hold our delegates
accountable for implementing that decision or having a good reason to do
otherwise.

--Sam



Accepted fasttracker2 0.1+b156-1 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread Gürkan Myczko
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Re: Difficult Packaging Practices

2019-05-27 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery  writes:

Russ> This is my experience as well.  I've occasionally tried to get
Russ> people at work (at various jobs) interested in packaging
Russ> software for Debian, without all that much success.  The
Russ> problem seems less any one specific thing and more that
Russ> they're perfectly content with a Debian package created by
Russ> running fpm on some install tree, and don't see the point in
Russ> doing any more work than that.  This is usually in the context
Russ> where there's some other config management system in use, so
Russ> to them all the packaging format is good for is as a container
Russ> of files with a version number attached.

I've actually had somewhat better experience getting Debian packages
built at work.
At least in environments where we had a fairly pure Debian ecosystem (or
say Debian+windows) I've been able to get people to build packages using
.dscs.  And if I set up the gitlab CI integration, that works fairly
well.

At my current job we even have interest in making some of the stuff
comply with policy and actually make its way back into Debian.
And I think we're possibly getting close to activation energy to do some
of that.

But the challenge is that the quality bar you need for a local
environment is much lower than for inclusion in a global OS.

I think the only reason I've had different experience than Russ is two
factors.  First, I didn't show people fpm (and they weren't aware).
Second, I think the environments I'm talking about are a lot smaller
than Russ where some of the social concerns really do matter.

At the first Cloud sprint we saw something similar.  The folks from
Google wanted to talk to us about getting some of their cloud APIs into
Debian.
But they wanted an approach that allowed them to build for all
distributions.  They wanted us to accept fpm input as source.
They didn't actually want to do the work that is Debian specific in
packaging.
I ended up saying that unfortunately, unless someone wanted to commit to
doing that work, it wasn't a package we as a community want to accept.
I tried to be more polite than that and to explain why those were our
norms.

To be clear, I'm sure there are a lot of ways our processes and
documentation can be improved.
However there are some reasons why what we're asking people to do is
hard.  And I don't think we want to give up on those.



Accepted sssd 2.1.0-1 (source) into experimental

2019-05-27 Thread Timo Aaltonen
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Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Jonas Meurer
Adrian Bunk:
> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 11:34:39AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
>> ...
>> We have a reputation of having difficult
>> packaging practices. We uphold this reputation as long as we have so
>> many ways to do the same thing.
> 
>   [citation needed]
> 
> I do honestly not know what statements/comparisons from people outside
> Debian are the basis for this claim, and whether making dh more mandatory
> is even related to them.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Often the most difficult part of packaging are the unique rules the 
> Debian ftp team requires for debian/copyright that are not required in 
> distributions with actual lawyers. That's a completely separate topic.
> 
> It is perfectly possible that there is something else I am not aware
> of, and you are assuming everyone in this discussion is.
> 
> It would therefore be really useful if you could send some links to 
> statements from people outside Debian *why* they consider Debian to
> have difficult packaging practices.

Unfortunately I don't have *links* either, but when introducing people
into the world of Debian packaging recently, I always got the impression
that they were heavily overwhelmed by the complexity of the Debian
ecosystem.

Depending on the software you packages, doing the initial packaging
already requires a lot of knowledge about library handling, doc build
systems, makefiles, the filesystem hierarchy standard, language-specific
toolchains, etc.

To properly build the package you have to learn either sbuild or
pbuilder. Which involves understanding and creating chroots/VMs/...

For proper version controlling, things like git-buildpackage (and/or
dgit) and the "3.0 (quilt)" format need to be understood.

And for testing, you need to learn about piuparts, autopkgtest, as well
as again chroots and/or containers for local testing.

That's a very high bar for entering the world of Debian packaging.

My opinion is that more uniformity in packaging practices will bring a
bit more simplicity as well. Therefore I applaud Sam's initiative to
require DH whereever it's sensible.

I think that Debian would gain a lot if the vast majority of packages
were packaged using DH and development would happen in Git on Salsa
using a common Git format. I agree that there should be exceptions.

Cheers
 jonas



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2019-05-27 Thread Andrius Merkys
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team 

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Description:
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Closes: 903759
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 .
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   [ Andreas Tille ]
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2019-05-27 Thread Brian May
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Urgency: high
Maintainer: Brian May 
Changed-By: Brian May 
Closes: 923930 928966 929064
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Re: Difficult Packaging Practices

2019-05-27 Thread Vincent Bernat
 ❦ 27 mai 2019 16:15 +10, Ben Finney :

>> If you just want to get upstream's idea of their package onto a system
>> with their release schedule and their recommended dependency versions,
>> there are better ways than getting a package into Debian.
>
> In the Debian mentors forum (that is, the chat channel, the mailing
> list, etc.) we make a point of saying: that's fine!
>
> Not every package needs to be in Debian, for its users to install that
> package. Someone who wants what you describe above can learn how to make
> a Debian package that will only be side-loaded from that community's own
> repository, or whatever.

People using tools like fpm will never get familiar with our tools and
will never be contributors.
-- 
The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something that
will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful.
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Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

2019-05-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Andreas Tille (2019-05-27 06:29:05)
> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 07:28:55PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > > We "uphold this reputation" by maintaining many packages, which is 
> > > good.
> > 
> > Do we? I am now using nix to get packages for stuff not in Debian. 
> > Our package count is artificially inflated by *-perl packages, 
> > golang-* packages which may not be present in some other 
> > distributions. But for some ecosystems, we are severely behind. We 
> > may argue we are better on some metrics, but this has nothing to do 
> > with the fact we have so many ways to build a package.
> 
> Some Debian Med people are concerned about the droping usage of Debian 
> Med packages since people prefer BioConda[1] over it.  There is even a 
> scientific paper (I've only seen a printed version not online yet) who 
> compares ways to package biology software.  We are way better than 
> other distributions - but we are lagging begind BioConda a lot.  We 
> have some upstreams who are doing Debian packaging by the help of the 
> Debian Med team but that's just a minor fraction.  Lots of BioConda 
> packages are maintained by Upstream since they consider it easy.
> 
> In short: Our "reputation" is scaring people away to favour other 
> techniques.

We agree that some get scared away from Debian.  Question is why.

Like rpm, Debian arguably has a single unified _core_ structure: 
debian/rules must be a make file.  hat Sam, me, and Vincent disagree on 
in this subthread is is lack of a unified _framework_ like short-form dh 
sequencer being mandatory is what scares people off.

Does that paper you talk about point to _causes_ Debian packaging being 
more scary? Is it a) complexities related to hardening, cross-building, 
bootstrapping etc. or b) lack of a single¹ unified build framework, or 
c) that Debian is "different" in package naming and code availability 
than other system package managers or or misc. language-specific package 
managers, or d) something else than what you snipped from the beginning 
of this subthread?


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Re: Difficult Packaging Practices

2019-05-27 Thread Ben Finney
Sam Hartman  writes:

> If you just want to get upstream's idea of their package onto a system
> with their release schedule and their recommended dependency versions,
> there are better ways than getting a package into Debian.

In the Debian mentors forum (that is, the chat channel, the mailing
list, etc.) we make a point of saying: that's fine!

Not every package needs to be in Debian, for its users to install that
package. Someone who wants what you describe above can learn how to make
a Debian package that will only be side-loaded from that community's own
repository, or whatever.

Perhaps that needs to be stated louder or more consistently?

-- 
 \   “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is |
  `\ obliged to stick to possibilities, truth isn't.” —Mark Twain, |
_o__)  _Following the Equator_ |
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