Bug#430896: general: GNOME or KDE desktops should issue a warning when the user unplugs USB media without unmounting.
On 6/28/07, Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FWIW recent GNOME desktops in unstable using gnome-mount for doing the mounting stuff, already have this kind of functionality. Whenever you unmount a removable device, gnome-mount will show you a message via notification-daemon, when it is safe to unplug the device. I'm not sure if XFCE in Debian already uses gnome-mount, though. I interpreted it as saying 'Give a warning if someone accidentally pulls it out before unmounting', not 'Tell me when I can pull it out after unmounting.' -- Andrew Donnellan <>< ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.comhttp://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#430896: general: GNOME or KDE desktops should issue a warning when the user unplugs USB media without unmounting.
On 6/28/07, Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I interpreted it as saying 'Give a warning if someone accidentally pulls it out before unmounting', not 'Tell me when I can pull it out after unmounting.' The original request in the BR I mean; not the message from gnome-mount. -- Andrew Donnellan <>< ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.comhttp://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone
On 3/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, debian-devel. Yes, this library needed for generating pdf docs from PHP. Could you package it into next version? Which library? -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More stuff the installer does which isn't done on upgrade
On 3/26/07, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (I would add this to the Wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgrade but someone made it immutable...) It's not immutable when you log in. -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: video codecs in HTML 5
On 3/24/07, Maik Merten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ignoring patents can be dangerous, though. If you get sued and the suing party can prove you knew of those patents you can get punished even harder AFAIK (IANAL!). In case of Debian vs. MPEG they could simply point to the mailing lists where the various problems with patents were discussed. But are the MPEG patentors *likely* to sue Debian? If Debian was sued over the MPEG patents, imagine what Slashdot and Digg would do to them - it wouldn't be great PR. -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bugreport: kqemu results in kernel panic of the guest systems
On 3/21/07, Rick Rocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear debian devs, I don't know how to input bug reports into bugzilla so I want to report a bug in Etch here: Debian does not use bugzilla, it uses Debian's own Bug Tracking System. To report something to the BTS, use the 'reportbug' script which is installed by default. -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash player?
On 3/18/07, Gabriel Molina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I've recently installed debian on a MAC Power PC G4 but I have not been able to find a flash player to work on it.. The one I found (gnash) did not work. Is there anything out there that I've over looked? If you're looking for the proprietary Flash Player, well, there simply isn't a PowerPC version. The Linux version is x86 only. As for Gnash, it's pretty much unusable for anything serious. -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?
On 3/13/07, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > Wonder if SpamAssassin or similar is running on b.d.o. Hahahahaha if it weren't running and discarding something like 99.99% (maybe more) of the mail that gets to b.d.o, we'd be drowning in spam. Judging from stats I've seen about lists.d.o that sounds quite correct. -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?
On 3/13/07, Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Which is why there are occasionally bug reports that get closed by spam
sent to -done, unfortunately.
Of course, I should know that, I've seen it quite a few times.
Wondering whether the BTS should require a certain string in the email
subject (like "[BTS]") for messages to {control,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Of
course, reportbug, devscripts, etc. could then be set up to do this
automatically (well, presumably they should start doing it *before* any
such requirement was imposed).
There are disadvantages to replacing the 'close' command with
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wonder if SpamAssassin or similar is running on b.d.o.
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Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?
On 3/12/07, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On ma, 2007-03-12 at 20:29 +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > Does 'allowed' just mean 'it's impolite to close other peoples' bugs' > or 'the BTS will stop you'? It means "it's impolite...". The BTS software doesn't care. Thanks for the clarification. Now off to file a bug about the BTS documentation... -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?
On 3/12/07, Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew Donnellan wrote: > Isn't wnpp one of those pseudo-packages where anyone can close anything? well, technically, anyone can close anywhere any bug with a -done or control mail.. To quote the BTS documentation: Normally, the only people that are allowed to close a bug report are the submitter of the bug and the maintainer(s) of the package against which the bug is filed. There are exceptions to this rule, for example, the bugs filed against unknown packages or certain generic pseudo-packages. When in doubt, don't close bugs, first ask for advice on the debian-devel mailing list. Does 'allowed' just mean 'it's impolite to close other peoples' bugs' or 'the BTS will stop you'? -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?
On 3/12/07, Krzysztof Burghardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Developers, How can I close bug #387858 which is a duplicate of already closed #406404? Isn't wnpp one of those pseudo-packages where anyone can close anything? -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 Spammers only === [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: funny network problem
On 1/10/07, Waqar Malik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Forgot to add that I'm using using `unstable' repos. Another observation: Using ping adding an http:// in front of the address produces an "unknown host" This is not a problem. http:// is the protocol section of the URI and is not part of the hostname. It is only used to indicate to a browser that it should use HTTP. ping only uses the hostname, not the rest of the URI. This is behaving as it should. HTH Andrew -- wam:/home/waqar# ping -c 3 www.google.com PING www.l.google.com (216.239.37.104) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from va-in-f104.google.com (216.239.37.104): icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=66.2 ms 64 bytes from va-in-f104.google.com (216.239.37.104): icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=73.7 ms 64 bytes from va-in-f104.google.com (216.239.37.104): icmp_seq=3 ttl=242 time=72.1 ms --- www.l.google.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 66.256/70.722/73.739/3.229 ms wam:/home/waqar# ping -c 3 http://www.google.com ping: unknown host http://www.google.com Waqar A. Malik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible problem with ftp.us.debian.org
On 1/8/07, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > Months; Confirmed. > I've had to switch 10's of clients to use ftp.debian.org instead since > I've been getting intermittant problems like this with > ftp.us.debian.org since ~ October last year. I've had to switch between ftp.debian.org, ftp.us.debian.org, ftp.au.debian.org, mirror.linux.org.au, ftp.uk.debian.org, because I've had problems with all of them at some point or another. -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary)ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 http://linux.org.auhttp://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Source Packages
On 12/8/06, Ken&Tam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, my name is Kenneth. I am looking source files. I have looked over your web site and no link is available to allow persons to access the source directory. If you do this by email request, then I am requesting the packages "IceApe & IceDove". I do hope that you provide a link on your website in the future for those wishing to access the source files. Thank you. Firstly, it is mainly intended that the files be retrieved with 'apt-get', e.g. apt-get source iceape Secondly, if you are using packages.debian.org, you need to look at the 'source package' iceape to get the download. Thirdly, as Daniel pointed out, you can just browse through the mirror to find them. -- Andrew Donnellan -- Email - ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary) -- Email - ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CNET CWP-854 sorunu
Why is this being cc'd to debian-devel?
On 12/7/06, Ozgur Karatas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
selam,
bu konuda bu sabah baris'in attigi bir mail vardi. sagolsun mini bir howto
hazirlamis.
çok uzun uğraşılar sonucunda bende baya birpratiklik kazandım bu konuda.
artık hiçbir sorunla karşılaşmadan kablosuz bağlantı kurabiliyorum.
yaptıklarım adım adım şöyle:
1. m-a ile ipw2200 driverlarını kuruyorum.
2. kurduğum driver için gereken firmware i indirip sarge için
/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware dizinine, etch için /usr/fimware dizinine
açıyorum.
3. /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf dosyasına wpa için gereken ayarları yapıyorum.
4. /etc/default/wpasupplicant dosyasına gerekli parametreleri yazıyorum
ve otomatik çalıştırıyorum.
5. /etcnetwork/interfaces dosyasını ayarlıyorum.
6. en fazla bi reboot yaptıktan sonraki buna 1 kere ihtiyaç duydum
kablosuz bağlantım çalışıyor.
interfaces a eklediklerim:
auto eth2
iface eth2 inet dhcp
pre-up wpa_supplicant -B -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -ieth2 -Dwext
pre-down killall -q wpa_supplicant
wpa_supplicant.conf dosyam:
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1
network={
ssid="benim-networküm"
proto=WPA
priority=2
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=TKIP CCMP
group=TKIP
psk="çok-ama-çok-gizli-şifrem"
}
not: bunlar aşşa yukarı 3 aylık bir araştırmanın ürünü olup artık
kurduğum her debianda şaşmadan çalışıyor. belki firmware dizinlerini
yanlış hatırlıyor olabilirim. aramanız gerkebilir.
herkese kolay gele.
Barış.
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Re: genel soru (register.com the robbery)
Sorry but I don't actually speak Turkish, neither do 99% of people on debian-devel. Please send this *only* to the turkish lists. On 11/28/06, blackwind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Godaddy.com da benim domainimi satışa çıkardı. Halbuki otomatik uzatma seçeneginin açık oldugunu düşünüyordum. Nasıl oldu anlamadım. Süresi dolunca yenilenmesi gerekiyordu ama godaddy.com benim domainimi süresi doldugu gerekçesiyle kendi sayfasından satışa çıkarttı. Domain firmaları dolanrıcı ve ahlaksızdır. Ama bundan daha ahlaksız olanları bazı Türk Hosting firmalarıdır. Bunlar domain'i kendi üzerlerine kaydedip müşterilerine kendi siteleri üzerinden kontrol paneli verirler. Domain'in yasal sahipleri o'dur ama hiçbir whois listesinde domain'i asıl kaydededin adı yazmaz. Hepsi birbirinden ahlaksız bunların. Kimse güvenecegimizi şaşırdık. On 11/27/06, Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is this particularly on-topic for debian-devel? (especially since I > can't understand a word of it...) > > On 11/27/06, Ozgur Karatas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > :) > > Guray hocam ilk defa karsilastigin ve belki de pek zarar etmedigin icin > > sanslisin. Benim bildigim bircok kisi tam da domaini aratirken reg > > edildigini gorup hayretler icinde kalmisti. Hatta yabanci bir ulkede > > tanidigim bir firma sahibi bu durum icin avukatina basvurmus ve > yillardir > > sirket satislarini yaptigi web sitesininin adresi bu sekilde calininca > > mahkeme karari ile site adresini tekrar almisti. Bu durum register.com'u > > zaten bir nebze olsun curutmeye yetti. Anlasilan o ki uslanmamislar.. > Rica > > etsem web adresini verebilir misin? Bu konuda ne yapilabilir bilemiyorum > > ulkemizde fakat register.com'dan domain alma konusunda elimden > geldigince > > insanlari uyaracagim. Umarim bu listeyi okuyan arkadaslar da > ilgilenecektir. > > Bir kopyasini da linux listelerine ve debian devel listesine yolluyorum > ki > > herkes gorusunu belirtsin. > > iyi calismalar, > > > > ,''`. Ozgur Karatas > > : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > `. `' http://www.ozgurkaratas.com > > `-Powered By Debian GNU\Linux > > > > >> > > Hi debian devel list, > > One friend was striped from the register.com side! They stole its domain > > name, Later , they sold it.. > > > > Guray CELIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> demiş ki: > > > Arkadaslar Selam.. > > > > > > Konu ile ilgili arkadaslar olabilir diye sorunumu burada dile > getiriyorum. > > > > > > Gecen gun kendime internet uzerinde bir domain name almak uzere > > > register.com sayfasina baglandim. Almak istedigim domain name'i arama > > > kismina yazdim ve available oldugunu gordum. Fakat ayni domain ismi > > > sadece birkac dakika sonra domain name hirsizlari tarafindan calindi > ve > > > benim domain ismimim o anda baskalari tarafindan alinmis oldugunu > > > (dakikalar farkla ve ustelik belcikali bir firma) gozlerime inanamadan > > > gordum. Ardindanda bu isim icin backorder vererek alan kisinin > > > (hirsizlarin) bana satmasi icin siparis verdim. (Alan ismini kaybetmek > > > istemedigim icin. 10 dakika icinde %100 kar.. Super is..) Boyle bir > > > durumla karsilasan ve/veya ne yapilmasi gerektigini bilen bir arkadas > > > varsa ve bana yardimci olabilirse sevinirim. > > > > > > Ayrica artik register.com gibi bir sirkete bile nasil guvenipte domain > > > ismi aratabilirim? Yazdigim seyi aninda almalari mumkunken.. Anlamsiz > > > olsa bile. > > > > > > Saygilar > > > > > > Guray CELIK > > > > > > > -- > Andrew Donnellan > -- Email - ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary) > -- Email - ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) > http://andrewdonnellan.com > http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com > Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 > --- > Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au > Debian user - http://debian.org > Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 > OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net > -- Andrew Donnellan -- Email - ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary) -- Email - ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: genel soru (register.com the robbery)
Is this particularly on-topic for debian-devel? (especially since I can't understand a word of it...) On 11/27/06, Ozgur Karatas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :) Guray hocam ilk defa karsilastigin ve belki de pek zarar etmedigin icin sanslisin. Benim bildigim bircok kisi tam da domaini aratirken reg edildigini gorup hayretler icinde kalmisti. Hatta yabanci bir ulkede tanidigim bir firma sahibi bu durum icin avukatina basvurmus ve yillardir sirket satislarini yaptigi web sitesininin adresi bu sekilde calininca mahkeme karari ile site adresini tekrar almisti. Bu durum register.com 'u zaten bir nebze olsun curutmeye yetti. Anlasilan o ki uslanmamislar.. Rica etsem web adresini verebilir misin? Bu konuda ne yapilabilir bilemiyorum ulkemizde fakat register.com'dan domain alma konusunda elimden geldigince insanlari uyaracagim. Umarim bu listeyi okuyan arkadaslar da ilgilenecektir. Bir kopyasini da linux listelerine ve debian devel listesine yolluyorum ki herkes gorusunu belirtsin. iyi calismalar, ,''`. Ozgur Karatas : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `' http://www.ozgurkaratas.com `-Powered By Debian GNU\Linux >> Hi debian devel list, One friend was striped from the register.com side! They stole its domain name, Later , they sold it.. Guray CELIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> demiş ki: > Arkadaslar Selam.. > > Konu ile ilgili arkadaslar olabilir diye sorunumu burada dile getiriyorum. > > Gecen gun kendime internet uzerinde bir domain name almak uzere > register.com sayfasina baglandim. Almak istedigim domain name'i arama > kismina yazdim ve available oldugunu gordum. Fakat ayni domain ismi > sadece birkac dakika sonra domain name hirsizlari tarafindan calindi ve > benim domain ismimim o anda baskalari tarafindan alinmis oldugunu > (dakikalar farkla ve ustelik belcikali bir firma) gozlerime inanamadan > gordum. Ardindanda bu isim icin backorder vererek alan kisinin > (hirsizlarin) bana satmasi icin siparis verdim. (Alan ismini kaybetmek > istemedigim icin. 10 dakika icinde %100 kar.. Super is..) Boyle bir > durumla karsilasan ve/veya ne yapilmasi gerektigini bilen bir arkadas > varsa ve bana yardimci olabilirse sevinirim. > > Ayrica artik register.com gibi bir sirkete bile nasil guvenipte domain > ismi aratabilirim? Yazdigim seyi aninda almalari mumkunken.. Anlamsiz > olsa bile. > > Saygilar > > Guray CELIK -- Andrew Donnellan -- Email - ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary) -- Email - ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: ITP: PySparse - a sparse linear algebra extension for Python
On 11/20/06, Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Second, I may need some advice on the license: Copyright (c) 2001-2003, ETH Zurich and Roman Geus All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * Neither the name of the ETH Zurich nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. I believe this allows redistribution by Debian, but can't tell whether this restricts this package to non-free. BSDish AFAICS. OK for main. -- Andrew Donnellan -- Email - ajdlinuxATgmailDOTcom (primary) -- Email - ajdlinuxATexemailDOTcomDOTau (secure) http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.wordpress.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Media players in Debian
On 9/24/06, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In other words, the fastest way to get legal issues with mplayer clarified would be for someone who cared specifically about getting mplayer into Debian putting together a list of the specific questions that need to be resolved before Debian can take the package, and then go to upstream (probably doing research in the mailing list first) and develop answers to those questions. Unfortunately, the hard part in the past has been getting clarity on that first point. It's not at all clear to me that anyone really *knows* what issues need to be resolved before Debian can take the package. You'd probably have to do something like put together a list of the questions that you think need to be resolved and then see if one of the ftp-masters would be willing to read that over and see if it includes everything they were concerned about. That's definitely the issue - no-one really knows all the issues. There have been endless flamewars over this... Perhaps someone could make a list of relevant d-l discussions and then get someone to read through it and make a list of the main points and check on their progress (not me; i'm too busy.) -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Media players in Debian
On 9/23/06, Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Considering your contributions to this thread, I see 3 possibilites: - you are interested in not having a mplayer package in debian, then please clearly say so. I don't have that impression - you are not interested in having a mplayer package in debian, then please refrain from contributing offensive posts like your previous ones. - you are interested in having a mplayer package in debian, then please try to learn the current status and problems why its not in debian (yet). As I said in another post, I don't really know them either, but I'm confident that Andrea and the ftpmaster will come up with an result in due time. I'd prefer number 3, until there is an alternative that can play absolutely everything Mplayer can it would be great to have it in Debian. However given the fact that 99.999% of Debian people are not subscribed to the MPlayer dev list (and therefore don't know what's going on; me included) and that the MPlayer people haven't in the past contributed too well to legal discussions on d-l, they do have a (probably undeserved) reputation for not caring about patent issues. If my previous mail was offensive to you, please disregard. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian ISOs
On 9/22/06, Anthony L. Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (Oops, hit the send key combo before finishing, sorry). Here's a brief refresher on metalinks & how it could be useful for Debian ISO distribution: 'Metalink makes complex download pages obsolete by replacing long lists of download mirrors and BitTorrent trackers with a single .metalink file. As you might have already guessed, a .metalink file is a file that tells a download manager all the different ways it can download a file. The file itself takes the form of an open XML standard that can list an unlimited number of HTTP and FTP sources as well as BitTorrent trackers and ed2k and magnet links.' Is it possible to extend it and make a client capable of jigdo or similar? It might look like: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-dvd/debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.jigdo";> ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ (Sorry, this is hacked up; I don't know how acceptable it would be to specify the jigdo template as an attribute instead of the content.) -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Media players in Debian
On 9/22/06, Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Andrew Donnellan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It would be great if upstream would actually care about legal issues, > licenses and patents in particular. Upstream does care for legal issues, and patents in particular. Check the mplayer development mailing list archive for the last months. For the last months, as you say. Maybe this is because of the increased pressure now that software patents are now being enforced and so on. At the beginning they seemed to just chuck in whatever. > This is pretty much the only thing stopping Debian from distributing > it - it may actually be illegal [...] The problematic parts regarding patents are mostly in ffmpeg, which is already in debian for some time. There seem to be no problem for debian redistributing ffmpeg. I believe it is a patent-stripped ffmpeg. Other maybe problematic parts are in libdvdcss, which has been strpped off in the proposed mplayer package. Honestly, I don't know what problems remain problems regarding mplayer, but claiming that mplayer upstream did not care about copyright and patent issue is straight wrong and does only spread FUD. Please help to improve the situation by mentioning concrete remaining problems. The Mplayer devs are still not communicating with Debian about the remaining problems. To rectify them we need to communicate better and get their input on d-l and d-d. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Media players in Debian (was: new mplayer)
On 9/22/06, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I know there won't be w32codecs package in Debian, but even mplayer would be great addition. It would be great if upstream would actually care about legal issues, licenses and patents in particular. This is pretty much the only thing stopping Debian from distributing it - it may actually be illegal and while Marillat is probably too small a target to sue, the Debian project may be large enough. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new mplayer
On 9/21/06, A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi everybody I prepared a new mplayer (with help from Diego Biurrun of the mplayer team) it has version 1.0~rc1~svn19921 (note that I have decided to use the new ~ element, so this version appears to be older than 1.0rc1 or 1.0pre8 ; you may need to manually use dpkg to install it) it was uploaded into Debian incoming, and it is available from http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/etch/ Since when was MPlayer acceptable in the Debian archive? -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Next Debian Release
Meaning Etch? The current target is December 4th 2006. On 8/30/06, Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To whom it may concern, I was wondering if you have schedule or roadmap for the next available release version of Debian. Thank You Allen Mah HighPoint Technologies, Inc. Technical Marketing Manager 408-942-5800 x116 www.highpoint-tech.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?
On 8/28/06, Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 23:30 schrieb Knut Yrvin: > A list of version numbers on important software packages on the test > version of Debian-edu/Skolelinux (The Kubuntu Dapper version number in > parenthesis): > > - Kernel 2.16.2 (2.6.15) That cannot be correct. 2.6.16, then... -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time to rethink ifupdown
On 8/24/06, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Python (and any language that depends on vast amounts of installed >> infrastructure) seems a bit dodgy for a core low-level facility. > > It's a great language to develop stuff at a moderate speed. It may well be (kinda ugly though) -- but that doesn't mean it's appropriate for a core system facility, which often needs to work even when the system is in a degraded state. If such a facility was written in Python, it couldn't run with /usr unreadable. That could cause problems on a corrupted disk. (That's not to say I don't support writing it in Python, I love Python!) IANADD, andrew -Miles -- `...the Soviet Union was sliding in to an economic collapse so comprehensive that in the end its factories produced not goods but bads: finished products less valuable than the raw materials they were made from.' [The Economist] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken us mirror
On 8/3/06, Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One of the us mirrors is not working properly. It's been faulty for at least a week. The mirror is: 204.152.191.7 (mirrors1.kernel.org) To whoever might be in charge of this, it should be removed from the rotation of both http.us.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org, and notified that it's having a problem. Interesting, on the Debian forums a user has reported that some mirror at kernel.org isn't working so I assume this is it. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#381073: ITP: jabbin -- Jabber client with Jingle VoIP support
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: jabbin Version : 2.0 Upstream Author : Stefano Grini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.jabbin.com * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : Jabber client with Jingle VoIP support Jabbin is a Jabber instant messaging client based on Psi. It includes support for the Jingle protocol, used to provide Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services. Jabbin is compatible with the voice protocol used by Google Talk (http://talk.google.com). -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.16-2-k7 Locale: LANG=en_AU.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_AU.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?
On 7/29/06, Knut Yrvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/28/debian_fastest_growing_linux_distribution.html Just remember that that article was written before Ubuntu was released (Warty was released in October, this article in January.) -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netatalk and SSL
The license exemption for OpenSSL has to be done by the copyright holder. As Debian holds copyright on hardly any of the software there's not much Debian can do except help persuade upstream to add an exemption. Hope this explains, Andrew On 6/18/06, Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, I'm confused. In the netatalk README.Debian it says that the Debian project has decided that OpenSSL is GPL-incompatible and therefore he can't distribute the ssl-based portions of netatalk (like encrypted authentication with classic macs). I was pretty sure that debian had worked something out for linking OpenSSL with debian package. Was it only for specific packages? Is this developer just not aware of the accommodation? Am I totally out to lunch on what's going on with this? Please let me know, Thanks, Daniel - -- And that's my crabbing done for the day. Got it out of the way early, now I have the rest of the afternoon to sniff fragrant tea-roses or strangle cute bunnies or something. -- Michael Devore -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFElOWqhvWBpdQuHxwRAmjPAJ9mnjbcbUIHbhOIEIuM7C8AXTtdEACglvR4 6qzWm/I2hFzoKRefRz0Bo4w= =fNWd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hello and request for sponsor (DomainKeys packages)
You can get a better response on debian-mentors. CCing. andrew On 6/17/06, Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greetings, official and unofficial Debian developers! First, let me introduce myself. I'm a 27-year-old male from Sweden, for the time being living in Linköping where I am (or have been) studying Computer Science and Engineering. My first contact with Debian that I was actually aware of, as well as my first real hands-on experience of Linux system administration and programming, wasn't until 2003, when a study mate of mine, who was the "CIO" of the local student tenants' association, recommended it as the distro of choice if one wanted easy maintenance and security upgrades, which is desirable in a high turnover student association. I have loved Debian and its packaging system ever since. I have been fairly active reporting bugs and submitting patches, I think, both in Debian and upstream, especially since I started running Debian almost exclusively on my own boxes as well. Some are listed on http://www.kibibyte.se/comp/bugs/ (never mind the Swedish). Now I feel that it's time for me to maintain a package or two of my own, and I think I've found the perfect packages to begin with: * libdomainkeys (http://bugs.debian.org/352653), and * libmail-domainkeys-perl (http://bugs.debian.org/373213) The whole DK thing is experimental, but for those wishing to experiment, at least Exim and SpamAssassin are prepared to use these prospective packages. It is also my understanding that Yahoo's license, unlike Microsoft's SenderID license, is quite OK. Is that correct? So, what do you think, and is anyone willing to sponsor these tiny packages? -- Magnus Holmgren[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (No Cc of list mail needed, thanks) -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: Hello!
This is a *DEVELOPMENT* mailing list. Send this to debian-user (I've forwarded this) or ask on the Debian forums (http://forums.debian.net). On 6/12/06, KlarsDev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, i have this problem: I have debian 3.1 sarge installed on my PC, but i encounter some problems with my sound device. My sound card is C-media(external) it works ok, but i have a 5.1 EBODA sound system and i don`t know how to make it work with debian. I tried with alsa but i can only use a 4 channels option. If u could help my on this i would realy appriciate it! Thanks! -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On 6/4/06, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 04 June 2006 02:23, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns wrote: > > For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't > > maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't > > even seem to be a regular participant on the debian-legal list. > > As a semi-regular on -legal, I can say he is. Although a regular reader of debian-legal, I seldom post here. I believe Andrew may have seen me on -devel, -isp, -users, etc. Yes, I think I was reading off -devel. If Towns and Langasek have finished with the ad hominems, can we now return to consideration of the issues? Yes. As it seems here, the DDs, including one DPL, are trolling and making completely offtopic posts. Now I *really* wish mailing lists had moderation like /. does. -1 Troll to nearly every post AJ has made here. andrew -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please on-topic messages (Re: Sun Java available from non-free)
And which part of the message you quote as an example is the inappropriate one? AT> For those playing along at home, zzz isn't a Debian developer, AT> doesn't maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer AT> applicant. He doesn't even seem to be a regular participant on the AT> debian-legal list. is COMPLETELY irrelevant IMHO. On 6/4/06, Bart Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AT> For those playing along at home, zzz isn't a Debian developer, > AT> doesn't maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer > AT> applicant. He doesn't even seem to be a regular participant on the > AT> debian-legal list. > > So what? I would like to request everyone to think before posting any message on the debian mailing lists. Which mailing list is the most appropriate one? Must the message be posted on multiple mailing lists, or is one list enough? Does my message add enough value to be worth posting to so many people? Is the subject still the same or does my message start a new discussion? Does it work towards a real solution for the issue being discussed? Have I read all previous messages of the subject so that my message doesn't repeat what's already said? And so on. Thanks, Bart Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On 6/4/06, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: #include * Olaf van der Spek [Sun, Jun 04 2006, 02:31:00PM]: > >For those still playing, Olaf also isn't a Debian developer, doesn't > >maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He's made > >something like 5 posts to debian-legal, though, which I guess given Andrew > >Donnellan's assertion that someone with one post ever on -legal is a > >"regular participant", means Olaf is a senior analyst or something. Sorry, got the name confused and now suddenly realises the mistake :( > > I guess the conclusion is that being a Debian developer means you're > right and not being one means you're wrong? No. The conclusion is that sane Debian developers do recognize the problem and prepare an effective solution for it in silence. In the meantime wanna-be developers are allowed to troll on debian-devel list. They should just not be able to appear as beeing competent or even be in charge, which has been prevented by the DPL. What is wrong with not being a DD? I'm not one, I'm not in NM, I don't maintain any packages, I just care about free software and Debian in particular. Debian is supposed to be *open* and *transparent*. Telling off users because their opinion doesn't matter is just stupid. What Mike said is completely relevant, and IMHO correct. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns wrote: For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't even seem to be a regular participant on the debian-legal list. As a semi-regular on -legal, I can say he is. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adding an application to the menu
You might find more help on debian-mentors. On 6/1/06, Indraveni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I am creating a deb package which will install some type of converter into the system and it is working fine. NOW..I want to add an entry into the Applcaitions/Office menu of my debian system for that particular application which is installed from my deb package. so that when I click on that menu item it will start the converter. What do I need to do for this?? HELP PLEASE Regards Indraveni Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG - hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0x5D4C0C58 --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: screenshot with package description
What I am trying to point out is that the DEBs *would* be a good idea
it would clog up APT and dpkg (emphasis on dpkg) because on my system
I have over 25 files from packages installed and as a result it
takes at *least* 30 seconds to read the database from /var/lib/dpkg.
Adding these pixmaps would make that 45-60 seconds if I installed all
of them, and when I want to do package installation I want to do it
fast!
However, another solution would be just place these JPGs and PNGs flat
on the server and have apt just download them and save them
On 5/16/06, Gonéri Le Bouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I mean, all pics are in the same location, but can easyly installed
>using apt and friends and noone must download the whole tarballs.
>Even Modem or ISDN-Users would like to see screenshots of some
>packages/programs and huge tarballs are no sulution.
$ apt-cache rdepends libx11-6|wc -l
2237
2237 x 40k = 90MB
Some non X11 based application like mutt could have a screenshot too but we
won't have 15 000 pixmaps.
Tarball is a good solution for people who don't have an Internet connexion but
some space on theirs hard drive. The tarballs will be copied from the
CD/DVDROMs.
If you have a connexion to a pixmap repository you won't have to feed a local
cache. A slow connexion is enouch too retrieve 40kb pictures.
Regards,
Gonéri
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Re: screenshot with package description
> OUCH! This would mean that all of a sudden the 20-30 seconds it takes > while 'Reading database...' would suddenly become 45-60 seconds. > > The TAR archives are a much better idea IMHO. You have not understood... I mean, all pics are in the same location, but can easyly installed using apt and friends and noone must download the whole tarballs. But you said create 15000 DEBs, and that is not a good idea. Until dpkg switches to a different backend database I will not use them. Even Modem or ISDN-Users would like to see screenshots of some packages/programs and huge tarballs are no sulution. I have allready tried to install 16.000 Debian Packages at once... I have sucked from winamp.com all Skins and packed them up seperatly. ;-) Sorry, currently I have no appartement and my server is down... Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: screenshot with package description
On 5/10/06, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Better to create 15.000 additional DEB's with pics and additonal descriptoons (per screenshoot) and make Meta packages to instal with apt-get install aptpics-all (for installing the whole pics-archive) or apt-get install aptpics-x (for installing per LETTER archive) OUCH! This would mean that all of a sudden the 20-30 seconds it takes while 'Reading database...' would suddenly become 45-60 seconds. The TAR archives are a much better idea IMHO. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: screenshot with package description
On 5/9/06, Gonéri Le Bouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Florian, > First, do you plan to make some rules for the screenshots ? Like for X11 >apps... "screenshots should be took under WM 'x', version 'y', and >theme 'z'" ? We have to keep the default setting of the the application. We don't really need to have consistent WMs and consistent version of WMs, just take a screenshot in a normal usage environment, e.g. Konqueror in KDE, Nautilus in GNOME, a Qt app would most likely look better under KDE, etc. andrew -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: I can't submit a comment to bug #364751 (part 2)
On 5/5/06, Savio Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:42:09 -0300 (BRT) This is the Postfix program at host smtp2.oi.com.br. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. Is this something to do with the fact that the email is way too long?
Re: Trouble with some X applications.
On 4/29/06, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sa den 29. Apr 2006 um 12:08 schrieb Andrew Donnellan: > >That whould be a catastrope. As 2.6 is miles from stable a 2.6 kernel is > >no kernel for stable servers. (Well, my system with sid is not in this > > Not stable?!?! It's been around for several years now. Please ask on -user. Its not a question. Its a fact! No I meant ask your question on -user. andrew Gruß Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgenhttp://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRFM8Up+OKpjRpO3lAQK3kgf+Iu++nlfaSReFiV+H8CIFANqQO8WEjlXc 4X3wqQj4oQNT1MCwD6WVs2MDwdnwY9cfwCTVL71pW9IdQM/PbHErbU1VY6cTbrz3 tPrGBThZEcniI2194hTd7eGjUjYmRPJbDNiAh+qBTV1p3RgrJxIhlV2WHnUG0eil wiZa6xf7+bQt1dOyaFzLwDe1yyPYkhwZrQRVzT+a3ceJ8bO8d78czoHDkwna18Kw KbfZ2z6IYRgQBVofE5OWI/ZbtWRTlLMrs4rvgXRjXBfC8Fiae8p2aDWAbvkb0eNR lifHNSStO4+bTcKmhcYkRCaUa1l/MAeCNXOWisTQBHNeHQ6kE6kMbA== =PSxc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: Trouble with some X applications.
On 4/29/06, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Brian, Am Fr den 28. Apr 2006 um 23:28 schrieb Brian M. Carlson: > Don't ask here. Ask on debian-user (or debian-user-german, if it > exists), as this is where the question belongs. The people there can > help you with some tricks to determine what specifically is not working, > and why. Hmm.. I do not think that this is a normal user question. It happens on sid and sid is definitively develop. Also it is no question about if that is a bug than which package is triggering the bug. No, d-devel is not for user questions, even if those questions are about sid. Many people use sid and they are users, not developers. This list is exactely for that porpouse and not only for holy fights as often found. > Good luck using a 2.4 kernel. I understand that after etch, glibc 2.4 > will be uploaded. IIRC, glibc 2.4 removes support for LinuxThreads, so > only NPTL (which requires Linux 2.6) will work. Make the upgrade now, > and save yourself a lot of headaches (of which this might be one). That whould be a catastrope. As 2.6 is miles from stable a 2.6 kernel is no kernel for stable servers. (Well, my system with sid is not in this Not stable?!?! It's been around for several years now. Please ask on -user. andrew position but I have several servers which have to be stable.) Kernel 2.6 has several problemes which trigger problemes. Beginnig with the futex implementation and ending with the "not whant" of the kernel developper to fix bugs in that tree. By the way, your link is not of use. Sorry about. Please do not answere the question with that the questions are under your niveau. I can forbear for such answers. Regards Klaus Ethgen Ps. And yes, english is not my native language and I might do some errors in my texts. - -- Klaus Ethgenhttp://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRFM6M5+OKpjRpO3lAQJWWAf+K8Tap8yY3j0MXyFf1nwsRMDonB6B/yyL vfTuvfKkOglsVWbVNWWkhMh+6x20II6qB1772S3HDSOfX51qau97eSH2zMieJeyT Zl503Nz+Og6sWaI1MVLMGGofNAoX6M8zkv+/2TGBAuiEu/XahgbxGdYlMSver5gQ c4UJoqr9OEdgicSpjW3pFTpAYzIU5Ndtb7eRKJwiFWKpHsjLDpteUk5pvglVKgCS b8VE1i2/rFEKx/bNMSoZQc2bjrJVMpo/BKGXLo3MUlRfdsTEcMNOLf3Va9+ueSTN r0/VZjjPQww+1aPGO5w8yDwZLWFghRQiS6GnEZ6qcEHlDiDgqMrC8A== =cuiM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: screenshot with package description
On 4/27/06, Gonéri Le Bouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 27 April 2006 01:13, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > > On 4/27/06, Gonéri Le Bouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > On graphic software websites, in general the most visited page is the one > > > with the screenshots because it give a good overview of the software. In > > > general a screenshot is better that the limited description provided by > > > the Debian control file. > > > > > > I think that tools like synaptic or Debian Installer should have an > > > option to provided a screenshot or/and the project logo with the text > > > description. > > > > Good idea. Other Debian based distros have started with the project > > logo, a screenshot feature would be nice. > IMO, the same mechanism should be utilised for both logo and screenshot. > (snip) > > > Files size: > > > There is about 2500 X11 based packages in Debian. This is an estimation > > > of the > > > > Where did you get that number from? > apt-cache rdepends libx11-6|wc -l > It returns 2214 on a i386 testing. Is apt-cache rdepends recursive? (e.g. many of the KDE package don't directly depend on libx11-6, they depend on kdelibs and qt, which depend on libx11-6) > > > > global cost on the mirrors with different pictures size. One picture per > > > packages. > > > jpg 200x150 8bit pictures: 8.5K => 21M > > > png 200x150 8bit pictures: 21K => 52.5M > > > jpg 400x300 8bit pictures: 30K => 75M > > > png 400x300 8bit pictures: 57K => 142M > > > I don't think that it is a big problem. > > > > Also depends on the compression level set. There could even be several > > different sizes you could download by passing an option. > Yes, you're right. We could create tarball with different picture size/quality > and let the user choose. But the storage cost will be more important. It wouldn't take that much space. We could add to the mirror policy allowing mirrors to choose if they do screenshots. > > Suggestion: > g/gi/gimp2.0/logo_100x100.jpg > g/gi/gimp2.0/logo_100x100.png > g/gi/gimp2.0/screen1.desc > g/gi/gimp2.0/screen1_200x150.jpg > g/gi/gimp2.0/screen1_200x150.png > g/gi/gimp2.0/screen1_400x300.jpg > g/gi/gimp2.0/screen1_400x300.png > ... > g/gi/gimp2.0/screen4_200x150.png > g/gi/gimp2.0/screen4_400x300.png # No jpg for this picture > # tarball prebuild archive for ISO creation or offline users. > g/gi_sid_low.tar # no need to compress compressed jpg/png > ... > g/gi_testing_hight.tar > g/gi_sarge_medium.tar > > > > screen1.desc should containt thing like that: > --8<- > Author: foo bar > Release: (<< 2.2.10) > --8<- > > > > > > Network consumption: > > > Screenshoots will not change for every new release of a software. One > > > update > > > > Depends how major that new release is. > In general GUI doesn't change on every release. e.g: the same screenshots can > be used for KDE3.5.x apps. Yes, but if a relatively major piece of software goes through several major (at least GUI) revisions we should of course update the screenshots. > > > > or less per year is i think enough. If we split this archive and with > > > cache mechanism we could reduct a lot the download. > > > > > > I suggest to have Pixmaps:" entry in the control file with the name of > > > one or more screenshots or logo so we'll be able to have a same picture > > > shared with different release of a package. > well we can avoid this change. > > > Yes. I would think though that the project logo could be included in > > the package and screenshots downloaded externally. > I prefere to keep both on the same place to be able to show the project logo > during the package selection/installation. I would like to be able to choose whether I want the screenshots, but the logo is small enough it can easily fit in with the lists, e.g. var/lib/apt/pixmaps/logos or something like that. With the screenshot tarballs they would basically be extracted to /var/lib/apt/pixmaps. andrew > > Regards, > > Gonéri > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: screenshot with package description
(Sorry, forgot to post to list.) On 4/27/06, Gonéri Le Bouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > On graphic software websites, in general the most visited page is the one with > the screenshots because it give a good overview of the software. > In general a screenshot is better that the limited description provided by the > Debian control file. > > I think that tools like synaptic or Debian Installer should have an option to > provided a screenshot or/and the project logo with the text description. Good idea. Other Debian based distros have started with the project logo, a screenshot feature would be nice. > > > SUGGESTION: > * file access > > Pictures must be available without the installed packaged. > Files access: > - network source: The screenshot can be available directly in the pool with > the .deb files. It also possible to download a tarball[1] to reduct http/ftp > request. I would think maybe a command like 'apt-get screenshot ' would be good, so Synaptic/KPackage/etc. can have a 'show screenshot' button which would execute apt-get screenshot and then display the image from /var/lib/apt/screenshots/pkgname.jpg. > - other sources: The user download a tarball[1] when he add a new source and > install it (e.g: /var/cache/apt/pixmaps) That would be good as well, it would allow instant display of images for every package. > > [1] We can split screenshots tarball to avoid a new download just for a little > change. e.g: 26 tarballs of about 2M (or more), one per first letter of > packages. > > > Files size: > There is about 2500 X11 based packages in Debian. This is an estimation of the Where did you get that number from? > global cost on the mirrors with different pictures size. One picture per > packages. > jpg 200x150 8bit pictures: 8.5K => 21M > png 200x150 8bit pictures: 21K => 52.5M > jpg 400x300 8bit pictures: 30K => 75M > png 400x300 8bit pictures: 57K => 142M > I don't think that it is a big problem. Also depends on the compression level set. There could even be several different sizes you could download by passing an option. > > Network consumption: > Screenshoots will not change for every new release of a software. One update Depends how major that new release is. > or less per year is i think enough. If we split this archive and with cache > mechanism we could reduct a lot the download. > > I suggest to have Pixmaps:" entry in the control file with the name of one or > more screenshots or logo so we'll be able to have a same picture shared with > different release of a package. Yes. I would think though that the project logo could be included in the package and screenshots downloaded externally. andrew > > > Regards, > > Gonéri > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Bug#142164: acknowledged by developer (Masters Based on Working Experience Gvna)
The bug is still open: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=142164;msg=66 andrew On 4/24/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This bug was closed by spam, but it looks like this problem is actually > fixed enough for me, so I'll leave it closed: > > apt-cache show lftp > Maintainer: Noèl Köthe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It still shows UTF-8 when ISO-8859-1 is set, so the original "apt: output > ignores locale" bug is really still there, but the problem I was actually > annoyed by was showing ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8. If anyone cares about > apt and friends converting to legacy locales, they can reopen this and > assign it back to apt or file a new bug. > > -- > Glenn Maynard > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
bug reopen
reopen 142164 thanks Spammers. Mess it up for everyone, -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: Installation is FANTASTIC!!!
On 4/21/06, Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 19 April 2006 10:37, you wrote: > > The stable version installed so easily and well I just > > couldn't believe it. It is now far easier to install Debian than > > Windows XP - yes - really. And I'm not a regular Linux user. > > What praise. Thank you very much! > > I just had to laugh out loud, because that other email is less than a week > old: <http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00277.html> > > (For those not speaking German: Mr. Werner's opinion of Debian couldn't be > more differrent from Barry Drake's and he's complaining about pretty > much architecture independent stuff, so him using the inofficial AMD64 port > doesn't matter.) Babelfish says the other email was complaining that the resolution should be higher and criticising the installer for being 90s-era. If he wanted help he could have actually asked...at least some people like Barry appreciate how easy it actually is to install! (I've had to install DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11, Windows 95, 98, NT4 and XP before and I'm quite tired of it!) andrew > > cheers > -- vbi > > > > > -- > How do I bind a computer to an NIS server? > Use a rope? > -- Seen on #Debian > > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure
On 4/17/06, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Actually, the word Ham is nowadays being used as the opposite of Spam, > > "good, wanted" E-mail. > > This seems rather a stretch -- it's sometimes used to mean this when > discussing spam-detection algorithms, but it's hardly something people > commonly use otherwise. > > > I'm all for removing the misleading, outdated expression for amateur > > radio. > > Outdated...? The term "Ham Radio" seems a _lot_ more common than > "Amateur Radio" -- for instance, Ham Radio seems to be heard quite often > on the news (usually in connection with disasters), whereas, to be > honest I can't say I've _ever_ heard the "Amateur Radio" used publicly. Most government agencies use the term Amateur Radio now and many radio associations use that term (e.g. http://www.acma.gov.au/ACMAINTER.65640:STANDARD:957087387:pc=PC_1256 and http://www.wia.org.au) andrew > > -Miles > -- > Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. -- Steven Wright > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: Bug#361418: [Proposal] new Debian menu structure
Radio amateur also doesn't go well in en_AU. Amateur radio's better. andrew On 4/10/06, Benjamin Seidenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 09:48:48AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 04:46:10PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > >> > >>> Package: debian-policy > >>> Version: 3.6.2.2 > >>> Severity: wishlist > >>> > >>> Background: > >>> -- > >>> The menu structure define the list of sections and subsections of > >>> the Debian menu system (which are displayed in window-managers menus). > >>> The official list is part of the Debian menu subpolicy. This list is a > >>> bit outdated, so we are proposing an update. > >>> > >>> > >> [...] > >> > >>> 2) Renamed sections: > >>> Applications [was:Apps] > >>> Educational [was:Education] > >>> HAM Radio [was:Hamradio] > >>> > >> [...] > >> > >> Hi Bill, > >> > >> "HAM" is not an acronym, so "Ham Radio" would be more appropriate. > >> > >> Even better (IMHO) is the full term "Amateur Radio", but some may > >> disagree. I've CC'd debian-hams for their input also. > >> > >> > > Radio amateur / amateur radio : either would be fine IMHO. > > > > Andy [Amateur radio callsign G0EVX] > > > > > > > Radio amateur doesn't sound right from my en_US perspective. > > I would go with "Amateur Radio" > > Benjamin (KI4CXN) > > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: deb src
This is an English language list - please post in English. andrew On 4/8/06, krotics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Добрый день! Подскажите где можно найти diff.gz для сборки gcc 4.0.1, glibc > 2.3.5, MySQL 5.0.12 ?Существует такой ресурс где хранятся все diff.gz для > всех версий исходников? > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: dpkg support for solaris-i386 architecture
I suppose porting glibc is quite important because it also minimises the porting of everything else that may need to be adapted. andrew On 4/7/06, Martin Wuertele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-04-06 23:19]: > > > Or as Wouter pointed out on d-d port glibc. > > Which I think would be most beneficial as it additianaly would minimize > the number of packages to add to the archive for the solaris port in > case nexentas work should become a debian subproject one day (and iirc > that was one of the goals). > > yours Martin > -- > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal Operating System > * Joey notices Alfie can read manpages :-) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: dpkg support for solaris-i386 architecture
Or as Wouter pointed out on d-d port glibc. andrew On 4/7/06, Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (d-l may give advice) > > So now that's sorted out really Nexenta needs an exemption from > *every* copyright holder in dpkg, gcc, binutils, apt, coreutils, etc. > (the GNU utils would be easier as there is _usually_ only one > copyright holder: FSF) or OpenSolaris needs to relicense (impossible > as Sun wouldn't like it). > > Also considering the recent debate on the MPL would the CDDL even be > considered free? > > andrew > > On 4/7/06, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > The language in the GPL seems quite ambiguous; > > > > The language in the GPL is not ambiguous and the meaning of this section > > has been well-understood and widely discussed for years. > > > > | The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for > > | making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source > > | code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any > > | associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control > > | compilation and installation of the executable. However, as a special > > | exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that > is > > | normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major > > | components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on > > | which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the > > | executable. > > > > The intention of this clause is to prohibit *exactly* what you are trying > > to do. This is not in any way an unintended consequence. It is an > > intentional part of the GPL and many people who place their code under > the > > GPL fully intended beforehand for this to be the implication. You're > only > > allowed to take advantage of the OS clause if you are not distributing > the > > software along with the OS. That clause is there to allow people to run > > free software on non-free systems, not to provide a general loophole for > > derivative binary works containing both GPL'd and GPL-incompatible code. > > > > We already had this thread and several of those people stepped forward > and > > were quite explicit about their understanding of the license under which > > their code was released. If this is not what people want, they shouldn't > > use the GPL. Most software authors using the GPL are not stupid and are > > quite capable of understanding and choosing all of the implications of > > using the GPL. > > > > > it could be argued that this is really a violation of DFSG#9 (license > > > must not contaminate) (I wouldn't say it is), but it is ambiguous. > > > > If you don't believe this is true, why are you bringing it up? It's > > obviously not true; DFSG #9 doesn't consider applying the license to > > derivative works to be contamination, nor could it possibly do so and > make > > any sense. The restriction is on the distribution of binaries, not on > > anything else accompanying the binaries. It is not even a restriction; > > rather, the GPL contains a specific, targetted grant of extra privileges > > that this use does not qualify for. It is a special exception, akin to > > the special exceptions that cover use of Autoconf-generated scripts, that > > under extremely limited circumstances grants an exemption to one of the > > core requirements of the GPL: > > > > | 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, > > | under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of > > | Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: > > | > > | a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable > > | source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections > > | 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software > interchange; > > or, > > | > > | b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three > > | years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your > > | cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete > > | machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be > > | distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium > > | customarily used for software interchange; or, > > | > > | c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer > > |
Re: dpkg support for solaris-i386 architecture
(d-l may give advice) So now that's sorted out really Nexenta needs an exemption from *every* copyright holder in dpkg, gcc, binutils, apt, coreutils, etc. (the GNU utils would be easier as there is _usually_ only one copyright holder: FSF) or OpenSolaris needs to relicense (impossible as Sun wouldn't like it). Also considering the recent debate on the MPL would the CDDL even be considered free? andrew On 4/7/06, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The language in the GPL seems quite ambiguous; > > The language in the GPL is not ambiguous and the meaning of this section > has been well-understood and widely discussed for years. > > | The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for > | making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source > | code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any > | associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control > | compilation and installation of the executable. However, as a special > | exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is > | normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major > | components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on > | which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the > | executable. > > The intention of this clause is to prohibit *exactly* what you are trying > to do. This is not in any way an unintended consequence. It is an > intentional part of the GPL and many people who place their code under the > GPL fully intended beforehand for this to be the implication. You're only > allowed to take advantage of the OS clause if you are not distributing the > software along with the OS. That clause is there to allow people to run > free software on non-free systems, not to provide a general loophole for > derivative binary works containing both GPL'd and GPL-incompatible code. > > We already had this thread and several of those people stepped forward and > were quite explicit about their understanding of the license under which > their code was released. If this is not what people want, they shouldn't > use the GPL. Most software authors using the GPL are not stupid and are > quite capable of understanding and choosing all of the implications of > using the GPL. > > > it could be argued that this is really a violation of DFSG#9 (license > > must not contaminate) (I wouldn't say it is), but it is ambiguous. > > If you don't believe this is true, why are you bringing it up? It's > obviously not true; DFSG #9 doesn't consider applying the license to > derivative works to be contamination, nor could it possibly do so and make > any sense. The restriction is on the distribution of binaries, not on > anything else accompanying the binaries. It is not even a restriction; > rather, the GPL contains a specific, targetted grant of extra privileges > that this use does not qualify for. It is a special exception, akin to > the special exceptions that cover use of Autoconf-generated scripts, that > under extremely limited circumstances grants an exemption to one of the > core requirements of the GPL: > > | 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, > | under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of > | Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: > | > | a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable > | source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections > | 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; > or, > | > | b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three > | years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your > | cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete > | machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be > | distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium > | customarily used for software interchange; or, > | > | c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer > | to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is > | allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you > | received the program in object code or executable form with such > | an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.) > > This use doesn't qualify for the exemption, and distributing binaries > linked against the Solaris libc libraries with their GPL-incompatible > license is otherwise in violation of the above requirements. > > -- > Russ Allbery
Re: dpkg support for solaris-i386 architecture
The language in the GPL seems quite ambiguous; it could be argued that this is really a violation of DFSG#9 (license must not contaminate) (I wouldn't say it is), but it is ambiguous. andrew On 4/7/06, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On 4/6/06, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> No. It says you may do this *if* you aren't shipping your GPLed > >> binaries together with those libraries. > > > Hmmm. Would this include 'mere aggregation'? > > Yes. > > -- > Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: dpkg support for solaris-i386 architecture
Hmmm. Would this include 'mere aggregation'? On 4/6/06, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 05:41:04PM +1000, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > > The GPL states that you can freely link with libraries normally > > shipped with your OS or compiler, > > No. It says you may do this *if* you aren't shipping your GPLed binaries > together with those libraries. > > -- > Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS > Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: dpkg support for solaris-i386 architecture
The GPL states that you can freely link with libraries normally shipped with your OS or compiler, so I would think this would include the C library. andrew On 4/6/06, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 05 avril 2006 à 15:18 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : > > Attached is the first in the series of dpkg patches which adds > > solaris-i386 architecture support used by NexentaOS. > > Have you fixed the legal situation of dpkg being linked with a > GPL-incompatible C library? > > Regards, > -- > .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ > : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > `. `'[EMAIL PROTECTED] > `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: kdemultimedia and libtunepimp
I got around the problem temporarily by retreiving it from snapshot.debian.net. andrew On 4/3/06, Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ATM kdemultimedia (and therefore kde) is uninstallable on any arch > > except amd64 because libtunepimp2c2a has not been built. I see from > > the changelog of libtunepimp3 that it was renamed, so shouldn't > > libtunepimp3 provide and replace libtunepimp2c2a or the dependencies > > of noatun, juk. amarok, etc. be changed? > > The latter. > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006
You have to send it to the *vote* address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) not the mailing list! On 4/2/06, Riskó Gergely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:50:13 -0600, Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> writes: > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > 52717dc0-26e3-4337-a88b-cc2c260fcb51 > > [ 4 ] Choice 1: Jeroen van Wolffelaar > > [ 4 ] Choice 2: Ari Pollak > > [ 2 ] Choice 3: Steve McIntyre > > [ 1 ] Choice 4: Anthony Towns > > [ 4 ] Choice 5: Andreas Schuldei > > [ 3 ] Choice 6: Jonathan aka Ted Walther > > [ 4 ] Choice 7: Bill Allombert > > [ 5 ] Choice 8: None Of The Above > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8+ <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> > > iD8DBQFEL1XKO0PrGO4KNccRAsW5AJ4o/wNsgpIXnHN96sHKSSoZbsftWACgrNG/ > dhNH4VpzCfG0PfR0U2fapBQ= > =wkpx > -END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
kdemultimedia and libtunepimp
I don't know if this has already been discussed, but anyway... ATM kdemultimedia (and therefore kde) is uninstallable on any arch except amd64 because libtunepimp2c2a has not been built. I see from the changelog of libtunepimp3 that it was renamed, so shouldn't libtunepimp3 provide and replace libtunepimp2c2a or the dependencies of noatun, juk. amarok, etc. be changed? andrew -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: DebConf6: Final call for registrations / reconfirmations
On 4/1/06, Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-31 13:34]: > > > > Lets repeat that, as this is important: You *NEED* to confirm that you > > > > attend DebConf before the 3th April 2006, 23:59:59 UTC or YOU MUST PAY > > > > YOURSELF. > > > The 3th of April? > > Precisely. Three/four days from now. > > Maybe Andrew wanted to point out that it should be 3rd rather than > 3th (or wondering whether it might be 4th). Yes. It's third, not thirth. andrew > -- > Martin Michlmayr > http://www.cyrius.com/ > -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: DebConf6: Final call for registrations / reconfirmations
On 3/31/06, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lets repeat that, as this is important: You *NEED* to confirm that you > attend DebConf before the 3th April 2006, 23:59:59 UTC or YOU MUST PAY > YOURSELF. The 3th of April? andrew -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
Re: [Release Notes] Use Woody's or Sarge's aptitude for upgrades?
I agree with Steve. Just add perl to the list. Who the heck would have removed perl anyway? When I have a chance, I'll try upgrading my system and see how it goes. Andrew Donnellan On 5/20/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 08:17:49PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 May 2005 02:47, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Is there a difference in packages removed if you run "aptitude install > > > aptitude" instead of "aptitude install aptitude dpkg"? I don't see any > > > reason why dpkg needs to be upgraded first, unlike aptitude. > > > No, makes no real difference. I still need perl to keep my system at least > > somewhat alive. > > Yes, of course. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. > > > > If perl needs to be added to the list, I say to just add it. People > > > who have Prio: standard packages missing from their systems probably > > > won't want to follow our advise to use aptitude, either. > > > perl was not missing on my system. It just needed to be upgraded along > > with aptitude because of dependencies (no idea which). That upgrade had > > to be forced by adding it in the install command. > > Otherwise perl would be removed, taking half my system with it. > > > I think we will be getting two kinds of upgrade: > > - servers or light desktops that can get by with just upgrading aptitude > > - desktops with kde, gnome (from unofficial backports or not) that will > > have to look at the results of 'aptitude install aptitude' and decide if > > anything else is needed; perl probably is a prime candidate > > > I going to try to rewrite/reorganize chapter 4 of the release notes > > somewhat on Saturday to see if I can make the upgrade instructions a bit > > more organic. > > So you don't think it's reasonable to just list perl as a package to > aptitude install prior to dist-upgrading? I really can't imagine why > someone who has stripped perl off of their system would care about the > instructions in the release notes at all :) > > -- > Steve Langasek > postmodern programmer > > > BodyID:7946885.2.n.logpart (stored separately) > > -- Heritage Linux Group http://www.heritagelinux.tk
