Bug#696987: ITP: lasem -- MathML and SVG rendering library

2012-12-30 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" 

* Package name: lasem
  Version : 0.4.1
  Upstream Author : Emmanuel Pacaud 
* URL : https://live.gnome.org/Lasem ;
http://blogs.gnome.org/emmanuel/category/lasem/
* License : LGPL(v2+)
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : MathML and SVG rendering library

Lasem is a library for rendering SVG and MathML, implementing a DOM like
API. It's based on GObject and uses Pango and Cairo for the rendering.
Included in the package, there is a simple application, lasemrender, which
is able to convert a MathML, a LaTeX math or a SVG file to either a PNG, PDF
or SVG image. 

Having Lasem in the archive will allow GOffice to be built with Lasem
support which will in turn allow the use of equations in graphs in Gnumeric.


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Re: ITO: xkeycaps

2005-02-21 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:00:03 +0100, Christoph Berg wrote:
> I'm using this package and I'd take it.

Thank you Christoph, it's yours.

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ITO: xkeycaps

2005-02-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
I intend to orphan xkeycaps.

xkeycaps is no longer maintained upstream (see http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/)
and I haven't changed the Debian package in over two years, The package is
in reasonable shape, but there are a number of bugs on record
(http://bugs.debian.org/src:xkeycaps) which could be addressed by someone
with more interest in xkeycaps than I have.

If you are interested in taking over this package, do let me know.

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Re: Trouble Compiling Simple Glade.

2003-11-19 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 15:44:54 +1100, Peter Gatt wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Projects/project1$ ./autogen.sh 
> \**Warning**: I am going to run `configure' with no arguments.
> If you wish to pass any to it, please specify them on the
> `./autogen.sh' command line.
> 
> processing .
> Running aclocal  ...
> aclocal: configure.in: 12: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library

You don't have a package installed which defines this macro. Install
libgtk2.0-dev (assuming you are using sarge or sid) or gnome-common (if you
are using a system that still has a GNOME 1.4 environment).

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Gcc 3.3 help needed

2003-10-12 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 21:53:10 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> The critical line is:
> 
> FILE *yyin = {stdin}, *yyout = {stdout};

Replace that with
FILE *yyin, *yyout;
... in main() ...
yyin = stdin;
yyout = stdout;

> wnlex.c:75: error: initializer element is not constant

`stdin' and `stdout' are variables, not compile time calculable constants;
see `info libc "standard streams"'.

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Re: docbook kernel docs and debian unstable

2003-06-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
AFAICT debian-user would have been a more appropriate place for this.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 16:25:54 -0400, John F Davis wrote:
> I am trying to read the docs in the Documentation/DocBook directory of a
> linux kernel.
> 
> I do this: make pdfdocs and I get an error about need to install docbook
> style sheets.  I think the error is really because I dont have db2html
> installed.

Install the "docbook-utils" package which contains db2html.

> I noticed that in the docbook-utils directory there is  a program  called
> jw which appears to convert docbook to pdf.  However, this package needs
> jadetex and that will not install.

Sounds like http://bugs.debian.org/183285 which has been fixed in 3.12-5
which made it into the archive during yesterday's dinstall run.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 21:37:06 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> I've configured and built the kernel, using gcc-2.95,

I've not followed 2.5 development, but I'd suspect the recommended compiler
for building it ought to be gcc 3.2 or 3.3 rather than 2.95 by now - check
the documentation carefully and try if switching to a new compiler for your
kernel build helps.

HTH,
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Re: W3C recommendations

2003-04-14 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 19:44:35 -0500, Thomas Bliesener wrote:
> Do you consider the recommendations of the W3 Consortium as binding or
> optional for the Debian project?

I'd say having our documentation conform to W3C standards and
recommendations is desirable, but not a binding requirement. If you think
they should be a binding requirement, feel free to go through the documented
process for updating Debian policy,

http://cvs.debian.org/debian-policy/policy-process.sgml?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=debian-policy&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

(Personally, I'd vote against a proposal to make it mandatory. We have more
than enough release-critical issues at the moment - cleaning up
documentation to conform completely to W3C standards and recommendations is
probably one of those 80/20 things, taking a lot of development effort for
little user-visible gain)

> Shall I file a bug report against these packages (and probably others)?

I'd say go ahead. Please make sure the bug report contains detailed
information on what a package does wrong and how a maintainer can test
compliance when changing the package's workings.

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Re: Dependencies on -dev packages

2002-09-03 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 11:58:10 -0700, Stephen Zander wrote:
> but if libfoo opaquely wraps libbar, why have libfoo-dev depend on
> libbar-dev?

How opaque is that opaque when considering the case of linking against a
library statically?

Ray
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Re: compiling clamav with pbuilder

2002-08-25 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 18:12:54 +1000, Brian May wrote:
> So I wonder what is different about my system that means it doesn't work
> here, but it works everywhere else?
> 
> Could it be related to devfs or something?

It might be. You may want to do "pbuilder login --distribution woody" and
try building it by hand in there, then do some traces on the ps2pdf
conversion.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: compiling clamav with pbuilder

2002-08-25 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 12:52:44 +1000, Brian May wrote:
> Wehn compiling clamav in a woody chroot with pbuilder, I get
> the following error:

I can't reproduce that here (freshly generated woody chroot for pbuilder;
clamav 0.24-1).

> (cd docs && ps2pdf clamdeb.ps clamdeb.pdf)   
>  Unable to open the initial device, quitting.
> make: *** [build-stamp] Error 255
> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package

ps2pdf uses gs to do the real work.

> Why does ps2pdf need to open a device, and what device is it trying to
> open?

You don't happen to have the GS_DEVICE environment variable set?

HTH,
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OpenSSL-linked exim

2002-08-21 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 16:19:48 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Exim is GPL, so the author currently does not allow the distribution of
> binaries which also contain OpenSSL code.

Quoting the NOTICE file from the Exim 3.36 source:
:Copyright (c) 1999 University of Cambridge
:
:This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
:under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free
:Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option)
:any later version.
:
:In addition, for the avoidance of any doubt, permission is granted to link
:this program with OpenSSL or any other library package.

This seems to be intended as the kind of exception statement Debian needs in
order to be able to include OpenSSL-linked exim binaries (or
OpenLDAP-linked-against-OpenSSL exim binaries) in its main archive, although
people on debian-legal would probably point out that this doesn't spell out
permission to redistribute the result of such linking.

Philip, if I recall correctly, previous discussions on debian-legal have
resulted in a recommended phrasing for such an exception statement
(unfortunately, I can't seem to find a link for it at the moment); would you
please consider getting the NOTICE updated along the lines of that phrasing
so as to make it clear that redistribution of OpenSSL-linked exim binaries
is allowed?

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Re: HELP - Screen is flooded with DHCP messages.

2002-08-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 20:56:48 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Now flooded with screens full of
> IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:04:76:de:b9:53:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 
> DST=255,255,255,255 LEN=328 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 
> DPT=67 LEN=308
> on all machines.
> 
> Advice please

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200203/msg03266.html

HTH,
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Re: Notes on current sid and libpng

2002-08-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 14:51:04 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> Indeed.  Try recompiling the latest Evolution, for example.

Gnumeric is another; see my messages in the "New gnome-libs package build
against libpng3" thread on debian-gtk-gnome.

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Re: GCC 3.2 transition

2002-08-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 13:27:24 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> This is not how Debian has done similar transitions in the past: libc4 to
> libc5, and libc5 to libc6, did not cause this breakage in Debian. Old
> programs continued to work without user or operator intervention (in fact
> libc4 binaries still work _today_ on some Debian systems.)

In some sense, the problem with the gcc 3.2 transition is that is is not
radical enough a change; thus the breakage it can cause is rather subtle.

libc4 -> libc5 was much more than a simple ABI change: it involved both API
changes (dropping/deprecating support for a lot of non-portable constructs
then in common use requiring e.g. compiling -DDIRENT_ILLEGAL_ACCESS) and a
a change of executable format (a.out -> ELF; big changes in how shared
libraries were built etc.).

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Re: g++ 3.2 on woody ?

2002-08-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:12:41 -0500, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
>  Does anyone have thoughts on a Debian-wide migration towards GCC 3.2?
>  (Or, for that matter, towards *anything* in the 3.x line).

The upcoming ABI change from 3.1 to 3.2 is the reason we've not switched to
3.1 as the Debian-wide default compiler. I don't follow
debian-{gcc,toolchain} in detail, but it is my impression from those lists
that there is a concensus among the toolchain maintainers to switch to gcc
3.2 as the Debian-wide default compiler in sarge as soon as possible.

HTH,
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Re: g++ 3.2 on woody ?

2002-08-14 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 22:06:12 -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:57:24AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> > Please note that the C++ ABI has been changed with gcc 3.2.

> Again?  *sigh*

"The main point of the GCC 3.2 release is to have a relatively stable and
common C++ ABI for GNU/Linux and BSD usage. Unfortunately this means that
GCC 3.2 is incompatible with GCC 3.0 and GCC 3.1 releases."
(http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.2/c++-abi.html)

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Re: c++ and unrecognized -D option on ia64

2002-04-03 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 18:03:14 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I'm asking here because the failure seems to be due to the "c++"
> compiler that doesn't recognize the "-Dsomething" option.

The toolchain was fubar on an IA64 build daemon host; see
http://bugs.debian.org/140969 .

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Re: WARNING: Jack Howarth is an agent of destruction

2001-12-30 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 22:40:07 +0100, Anders Jackson wrote:
> Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Aren't the brits complaining about the US wanting to execute terrorists,
> > because of conflicts with EU declaration of human rights?
> (This is of toppic, isn't it)

Quite, but still I like a chance to clean up some confusion.

> Isn't it UN declaration of human rights, not EUs.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) is the UN's.
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

I guess Michael is referring to the Council of Rome's Convention for
Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms (1950 and later amended;
protocol 6 dealing with the death penalty)
http://www.echr.coe.int/Convention/webConvenENG.pdf
which established the European Court of Human Rights
http://www.echr.coe.int/
which isn't an EU institution, but a Council of Europe one and whose
jurisdiction is therefore recognised by a lot more states than just EU
members:

http://www.coe.int/T/E/Communication_and_Research/Public_Relations/About_Council_of_Europe/CoE_Map_&_Members/
)

Ray
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Re: Two sets of binary packages from one source package?

2001-09-03 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 16:19:47 -0400, James LewisMoss wrote:
> So can i have two sets of bin packages (xemacs-non-gnome and misc packages
> vs gnome bin packages) coming from the same source package?

Sure; see e.g. the vim source package for an (extreme?) example.

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Who uses ccmalloc?

2001-05-06 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 19:31:43 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])   ccmalloc

To the best of my knowledge, there's no upstream for ccmalloc anymore. I'm
not using it myself, and there are several (possibly better) alternatives
available. I'm therefore pondering dropping it, unless someone can convince
me it's still being used.

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Re: egcs/gcc?

2001-01-05 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 19:03:45 +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
> > - x25tap
> > - kerneli crypto patches
> > - ReiserFS

> In that case ReiserFS is a really bad example, it might never be in 2.2
> and Linus said it will be added in the 2.4 series.

All of them are "add-ons" to vanilla 2.2. My point is that even if vanilla
2.4 supports all that 2.2 supports, there are still a lot of feature patches
outside vanilla 2.2 for which no 2.4 equivalent may be available for quite
some time to come.

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Re: egcs/gcc?

2001-01-05 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 17:16:43 +0200, Taneli Vähäkangas wrote:
> To me it seems that gcc272 will become obsolete once 2.4 kernel gains
> popularity.

s/gains popularity/offers the functionality that a very large majority of
people rely on in 2.2/.

For me, 2.4 currently lacks
- x25tap
- kerneli crypto patches
- ReiserFS
and I'm sure there's quite a lot of stuff others use with 2.2 that hasn't
been ported to 2.4 yet.

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Re: ITP: Linux

2000-04-01 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 10:39:34 -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> There's a project under way out of Finland to develop a POSIX compliant
> kernel (see ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/PEOPLE/Linus/)  I don't know if
> it will go anywhere as it based on an obsolete monolithic design but some
> people seem to like so it might be a good addition to Debian.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to include a business operating system for
the next generation of PC computing, say the one at
http://freshmeat.net/news/2000/04/01/954589589.html ?

The current license is non-free and there doesn't seem to be a download
version available yet, but I'm sure that with a little assistance from the
justice department these little things can be fixed.

Ray
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Re: xfce package

2000-03-22 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 21:19:36 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> upstream source. I don't know if we should upload it to frozen or if we
> should remove xfce from potato and only upload the new version to woody as
> suggested in the bub report #60258.

I'd second that suggestion. Unlike the old version, the new xfce is using a
free toolkit.

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Re: 5 days till Bug Horizon

2000-03-22 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:50:03 +0100, Richard Braakman wrote:
> The packages involved are fetchmail, g++, gpm, kernel-image-2.2.14-ide
> (do we really need it?  I assumed it's needed for the bootfloppies),
> and perl-5.005.

> Package: g++ (debian/main).
> Maintainer: Debian GCC maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [HELP] For gcc/g++ bug reports to be sent to the upstream maintainers,
> certain procedures must be followed, so help from clueful people is required
>   48530 g++ [fixed in 2.96 CVS Feb 2000] [alpha]: internal compiler error 
> building open-amulet
> [WAITING] Maintainer was contacted on Dec 12, awaiting reply.
>   55291 [alpha] g++ causes internal compiler error compiling hatman

Both of these are on Alpha only, and can be worked around by compiling the
packages involved with lower optimisation settings. We should consider
lowering these to 'normal'.

> Package: gcc (debian/main).
> Maintainer: Debian GCC maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   59819 gcc_2.95.2-7(frozen): fails to compile itself on m68k

This one is more worrying.

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Re: A "progressive" distribution

2000-03-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 15:06:57 -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> A possibly naive question:  apt-get will refuse to install packages if
> their dependencies aren't met.  Why can't dinstall do the same?

It could do so.

> It wouldn't help with out and out buggy programs but at least it would
> catch dependency problems.

It would catch problems with the dependencies a package declares. But it's
no substitite for integration testing, part of which checks that the
declared dependencies of a package accurately reflect the real dependencies.

Ray
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Re: A "progressive" distribution

2000-03-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 14:12:49 -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> try this hypothetical release method out:
> 
> there are two trees. let's call them devel and production. debian saavy
> folks (maintainers) run devel. new packages are uploaded to devel where
> they are tested extensivly. when a package has been in devel for more than
> (for instance) two weeks, and it has no release critical and few important
> bugs, it graduates into production.
> 
> the production branch should always work.

But it won't. This approach ignores the fact that "stability" is a property
of a release as a whole (the set of packages and their interdependencies,
ISOs, boot floppies and the upgrade path from the previous release) rather
than the sum of the stability of individual packages.

Ray
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Re: WANPIPE X.25

2000-03-14 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 21:54:09 -0500, Brian White wrote:
> Is there anybody here using the Sangoma WANPIPE cards to do X.25?

X.25 isn't particularly popular under Linux, but people do use it. Your best
bet for information is probably the linux-x25@vger.rutgers.edu list.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: NcFTP is free again?

1999-10-01 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 01:41:18 -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote:
> So we can't do squat with NcFTP 3 until Mike includes a license.

I switched to lftp myself at the time of the previous ncftp license issue,
and haven't looked back. Is there anything in ncftp that lftp doesn't have?
If there isn't, I'd say just drop it.

Ray
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Re: Funding for a Crazy Idea

1999-09-25 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 13:59:16 +0100, Helen McCall wrote:
> What is needed is for someone to compile a list of all Debian Developers
> and their geographical addresses.

We're already doing that - see https://db.debian.org .

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Re: BTS "feature" comments

1999-09-23 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 08:35:06 -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
> - Forwarded message from Samuel Tardieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
> Non-developpers should not be allowed to *manipulate* bugs IMO.

It would be nice to have a mechanism available to ensure this if there is
indeed abuse of the BTS by non-developers; so far I haven't seen it, and I
see no reason e.g. to prevent users from merging bug reports when they
notice something has been reported already.

Ray
-- 
LEADERSHIP  A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with auto-
destructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch 
it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own.   
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan



Re: Invalid cross-device link

1999-09-22 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 11:13:31 +0300, Edvard Majakari wrote:
> update-alternatives: unable to rename /usr/man/man1/w.1.gz to 
> /usr/share/man/man1/w.1.gz: Invalid cross-device link

This is a known bug in update-alternatives:
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/42/42559.html

> I do know the reason - /usr/share is an NFS-mounted directory from the
> server. For several reasons I didn't want to mount the whole /usr
> directory hierarchy, just /usr/share (isn't it why it's called share?-).
> What can I do to fix this?

A workaround is probably to remove the link first. A proper solution would
be to fix update-alternatives to handle this situation (if you write a
patch, please send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Ray
-- 
Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.



Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:46:52 +0100, Chris Rutter wrote:
> Most people I know prefer using the OpenBSD-derived server, because it
> seems to be more stable and less buggy than the rest -- why is it being
> deprecated by Debian (or Herbert, I don't know) in this way?

Speaking of FTP servers, has anyone taken a good look at troll-ftpd
(ftp://ftp.troll.no/freebies/ftpd)?

Ray
-- 
POPULATION EXPLOSION  Unique in human experience, an event which happened 
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 22:42:36 -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> This package has been a major source of serious security bugs and
> indicatiosn are that it will remain as such.

SuSE have indicated they're dropping it:
http://linuxtoday.com/story.php3?sn=10124 .

> Our Policy states that packages that are not sufficiently free of bugs to
> meet our standards should not be in main and should be moved to contrib.

Note that there is currently a proposal on -policy to remove that part of
contrib's description, making licensing terms and dependency on non-free
software the only criteria in deciding main/non-free/contrib.

Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig



Re: Hosed system during package build

1999-09-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 20:26:15 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> I saw much talk about fakeroot not working with the new glibc, much talk
> about it being difficult to fix, and no talk about it being fixed.

Actually, AFAIK most of this talk was about /libtricks/ which was a new
approach to doing what fakeroot does (it provided a "fakeroot" binary as
well); that approach did turn out not to be usable for glibc2.1. The current
fakeroot in potato is based on the old approach, and works fine.

Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig



Re: linux includes / inet includes

1999-09-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 02:44:47 +0800, Paul Harris wrote:
> hi, i'm trying to fix up vrweb, and if successful will apply for adoption
> and all that (already talked to the original maintainer).
> 
> anyway, the current problem is the conflict between the linux includes and
> debian's netinet includes:

Regular application code shouldn't use the linux includes anymore. In the
libc5 days, it was quite common to include linux/*. Nowadays, glibc has
portable headers for just about everything, and linux/* is only needed for
really low-level stuff. Try removing #include in favour of
a #include which provides the functionality required.

HTH,
Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig



Re: GPG trusted signatures, dpkg-buildpackage & gpg

1999-09-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 00:02:10 +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> Given that this key only seems to have been signed by Ray Dassen and
> itself,

Even with the updates Wichert mentions, the web of trust for Debian GPG keys
is still a lot sparser than the PGP one. I've pointed out one possible
approach to strenghtening it (using RSA keys to sign DH/DSA ones) in
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/25/25554.html .

> and you have good reason to believe that the key used to sign this key was
> Ray's,

In this case, you can be reasonably sure: my RSA key is unrevoked and very
widely signed (it made
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/Security/Trust-Register/); I used it to
sign my GPG key (which has a number of other signatures on it as well) with
which I signed Wichert's GPG key.

Of course this depends on one's level of paranoia. Using crypto wisely and
effectively is a matter of keeping one's paranoia high, but not reducing it
ad absurdum (how do you know I'm not an alien with space/time travel
technology capable of intercepting your private key and viewing you type
your passphrase?).

Ray
-- 
PATRIOTISM  A great British writer once said that if he had to choose 
between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would
have the decency to betray his country.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: ITP: gphone

1999-09-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 14:16:14 -0400, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
> and is also compatible with the speakfreely program for Windows and Unix.

Erm. Speak Freely employs crypto (it's in non-US/non-free). If gphone
employs crypto as well, shouldn't we find a non-US maintainer and a non-US
download location for it?

Ray
-- 
PATRIOTISM  A great British writer once said that if he had to choose 
between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would
have the decency to betray his country.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: APRIS GNU/LINUX EXPO UPDATES. (need debian Logo).

1999-09-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:59:40 +, Frederic CELLA wrote:
> They publish next week a magazine. they need 300DPI DEBIAN LOGO.

At http://www.debian.org/logos/ you can find the logos as xfig source and as
postscript. (Use ghostscript to produce the logo in your favourite bitmap
format at your favourite resolution). That page also contains the licensing
information; the open logo should be fine.

HTH,
Ray
-- 
LEADERSHIP  A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with auto-
destructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch 
it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own.   
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan



"NDN" flood

1999-05-25 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 10:33:06 +1000, Ed Breen wrote:
> Why am i continually getting this stupid message:

Because a subscriber's system/provider has braindead mail software
installed. I've just notified the Debian listsmasters of this problem;
hopefully it'll get fixed soon.

Ray
-- 
Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.



Re: Request for package: mcrypt

1999-05-23 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 19:17:15 -0700, Joel Klecker wrote:
> mcrypt is a replacement for the old unix crypt(1). It uses the block 
> algorithms DES, TripleDES, Blowfish, 3-WAY, SAFER-SK64, SAFER-SK128, 
> TWOFISH, TEA, RC2, RC6, IDEA and GOST in CBC, OFB, CFB and ECB modes. 

I'd love to see it split in a free (no IDEA, RC6? and possibly others) and a
full version.

Last time I checked, the upstream version didn't produce shared libraries.
It should probably be modified to do so, and such changes should be
integrated upstream (to prevent .so version issues).

Ray
-- 
ART  A friend of mine in Tulsa, Okla., when I was about eleven years old. 
I'd be interested to hear from him. There are so many pseudos around taking 
his name in vain. 
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: Information to at talk about Debian

1999-05-21 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 17:01:31 +0200, Peter Makholm wrote:
> I'm going to promote Debian on some meetings at the local LUG
> (www.sslug.dk). I would like to bring on some statistic about Debian
> but I wonder how I find the canonical numbers of developers and
> packages?

I'm not aware of canonical numbers, but wc -l goes a long way:

pgp -kv /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.pgp | grep '^pub' | wc -l

505 developers

Similarly, zgrep '^Package:' Packages.{main,contrib,non-free,...} | wc -l
using the Packages files for the various distributions (main, contrib,
non-free, non-US/main, non-US/contrib non-US/non-free) should give a
reasonably accurate package count.

> Is there som standard material for using on a booth at a LinuxShow or is
> it all redone for every event?

I'm not sure; ask [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

HTH,
Ray
-- 
LEADERSHIP  A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with auto-
destructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch 
it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own.   
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan



Re: correct apt deb line for non-us?

1999-05-21 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 02:16:39 -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
> Erf, is unstable/non-US self-sufficient without stable non-US?

It works for me without an entry for stable.

Ray
-- 
Cyberspace, a final frontier. These are the voyages of my messages, 
on a lightspeed mission to explore strange new systems and to boldly go
where no data has gone before. 



Re: correct apt deb line for non-us?

1999-05-21 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:55:19 +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> Is it currently possible to access the unstable non-US section with
> apt-get?

Yes. Use
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable non-US/main non-US/contrib 
non-US/non-free

Ray
-- 
Cyberspace, a final frontier. These are the voyages of my messages, 
on a lightspeed mission to explore strange new systems and to boldly go
where no data has gone before. 



Re: locale problem with latest packages

1999-05-18 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 18:08:01 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
> I just updated libc6 and locales to the latest packages and now my locale
> de_DE does not work anymore. Perl tells me it's falling back to default.
> Others like date just refuse to use it. What's wrong?

The requirements have been strenghtened; a proper locale now looks like
LC_CTYPE=en_US.iso-8859-1
so you may want to try LC_CTYPE=de_DE.iso-8859-1 .

HTH,
Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig



Re: (FINISH) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-17 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 01:12:20 -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> Since the main (but not exclusive) use of non-US right now is for crypto
> software, we might want to create a Crypto-Regulations package which
> contains references to which countries restrict import and export of
> crypto, and how, with references to appropriate legislation and
> documentation.

Most of this is already available at the Crypto Law Survey,
http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm

Ray
-- 
LEADERSHIP  A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with auto-
destructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch 
it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own.   
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan



Re: Intent to pollute namespace: standards

1999-05-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Sun, May 16, 1999 at 13:28:48 -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> Objections?

See subject. Please consider something less generic like "gnu-standards"
instead.

Ray
-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]  | not be a better one than the one the blocks   
  | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid.  
  | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan  



Re: Uploading to pandora (nonus)

1999-05-12 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 14:08:13 +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> Who decides weather a non-US package goes in non-US/main, non-US/contrib or
> non-US/non-free? Are there any guidelines available?

This is the subject of current threads in debian-policy; please follow
those.

Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig



Re: Uploading to pandora (nonus)

1999-05-12 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 12:40:31 +0200, Samuel Tardieu wrote:
> What should be put in sources.list files?

deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable non-US/main non-US/contrib 
non-US/non-free

HTH,
Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig



Re: Compilation problems

1999-05-10 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 09:50:11 +0300, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> checkin.o: file not recognized: File truncated

> /usr/bin/ld: cuddZddGroup.o: invalid string offset 285212672 >= 89 for
> section `.shstrtab'

> I would expect the problems more in egcs, libc6 or the kernel itself (the
> system rebooted this morning automatically).

I see no similarities with other EGCS or libc6 problem reports.

> Any ideas what co8uld be wrong? The system was running slink rock-solid
> for months.

It sounds much more like a hardware problem (try the suggestions of
http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11) or having corrupted .debs installed (try
forcefully reinstalling the current packages e.g. dpkg -OGR /archive).

Ray
-- 
UNFAIR  Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried 
to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY, 
UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS. 
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan  



Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 17:07:30 -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> You might have included my suggestion to prevent having to move libraries
> in the first place: creating a libc6-specific directory right now, instead
> of installing libraries in /usr/lib and having to move them into another
> directory when libc7 should be released.

I'm sorry, but this is IMHO completely backwards. On Linux systems, there is
nothing wrong with moving libraries around as the need arises. Having
libtool default to -rpath is what's causing problems.

I've seen one too many instances of " crashes on Debian" that turned
out to be " is a libc5 binary with an RPATH of /usr/X11R6/lib" which on
any reasonably up to date Debian system contains libc6 X libraries.

The X example also shows that the problem isn't limited to /usr/lib either.
What's next? /usr/local/lib/libc6 ?

> > However, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> brings up an important
> > point: -rpath is necessary if one is installing libraries and binaries
> > linked to those libraries in one's home directory,

That is a special case. The default should be sane for regular cases.

> > or if your Unix has no support for library search paths via environment
> > variables like Linux's LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

While I appreciate concerns about supporting less fortunate operating
environments, I don't think their existence should hold us back from doing
the right thing on Linux.

> In general, I feel that moving libraries around is a very bad idea,
> because it will lead to failure most of the times, and that's why I don't
> feel libtool should help people doing that.

I see no reason why moving libraries around is a bad idea. I see defaulting
to -rpath as a bad idea, which breaks moving libraries around.

Ray
-- 
POPULATION EXPLOSION  Unique in human experience, an event which happened 
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: xxgdb should get pulled

1999-01-26 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 16:34:58 -0500, Daniel Martin wrote:
[my rant deleted]

> I have yet to learn how to navigate this area, and am often surprised
> at how strongly an offhand comment is taken.

Smilies might have helped. In this case, your comment really triggered me. I
seldomly flame, but in this case, I felt it was justified.

> I'm looking closely at Code Medic now.  (Though I'm surprised it isn't
> already on the wnpp list)

The problem with Code Medic is that it is fit for "contrib" at best; I don't
recall its license, but it depends on a GUI library that's non-free ("not
for commercial use" IIRC).

Ray
-- 
Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.



Re: LSH (GPL'd SSH)

1999-01-26 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 16:49:57 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> NOTE: For those that are on the ball, they do seem to be considering
> removing idea from the base source and having it as a seperate module
> (similar to GnuPG's approach).

Another freeness issue (albeit a relatively minor one) is that currently lsh
requires scsh (which is non-free) for the generation of include files (they
are pregenerated in the tarball; the scsh scripts are needed only for
development). It would be nice if someone could modify them to work with a
free Scheme implementation (say Guile), or reimplement them in another free
scripting language (perl, python etc.).

Ray
-- 
Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.



Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-22 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 20:26:12 +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 06:12:14PM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> > Laurent Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say,
> >even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute with code ? 
> > 
> > They should have `a word to say', and they do--they can subscribe to
> > Debian lists and give their feedback and advice, which developers are
> > free to follow or ignore.  But they do not, and should not, IMO, have
> > the privilege of voting or otherwise setting policy.  Users are not
> > developers and shouldn't presume to be.
> 
> i mostly agree but wouldn't put it anywhere near that strongly.

I would. Ben's phrasing strongly reminds me of Robert A. Heinlein;
especially of the concept of TANSTAAFL and the political system he describes
in "Starship Troopers", where the right to vote must be earned through a
tour of duty of public (not necessary military) service.

In the case of Debian, users do not have the right of vote, but can earn it
by becoming developers (i.e. by maintaining packages, but also by writing
documentation, maintaining the website etc.).

Ray
-- 
POPULATION EXPLOSION  Unique in human experience, an event which happened 
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: xxgdb should get pulled

1999-01-22 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 11:28:29 -0500, Daniel Martin wrote:
> Is my only other choice for a graphical debugger the "lesstif-induced
> segfault" ddd?

Glad to see my work is appreciated. Perhaps this is where I need to point
you to the power of having the source? You could e.g. try fixing LessTif
and/or DDD rather than bitch about it, fix xxgdb, package up UPS, gdbtk,
tgdb, or deet; or (if you're not fully on the straight and narrow) use
Motif-linked DDD binaries, or buy Motif and build a Motif-linked DDD for
Debian, or package up KDbg, or Code Medic.

Ray
-- 
POPULATION EXPLOSION  Unique in human experience, an event which happened 
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: COLA

1999-01-21 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 20:56:52 +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> Does anyone know how to place an announcement on cola (or whatever is en
> vogue nowadays) with having news access?

Quoting the sig on COLAs:
"Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

HTH,
Ray
-- 
POPULATION EXPLOSION  Unique in human experience, an event which happened 
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:22:05 -0500, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, J.H.M. Dassen wrote:
> > Perhaps the best way for cracklib support in PAM is to redefine PAM's
> > packages into "base" and "non-base" ones. The "base" ones should be
> > intended for future (potato) inclusion in the base system (for use by
> > e.g. login); the "non-base" ones could require more libraries and
> > auxiliary programs. Such a change in packaging could also be used as an
> > opportunity to merge libpam0g and libpam0g-util (which have a mutual
> > dependency).
> 
> I'm not sure I understand.  Would the base and non-base conflict with one
> another?

Not really. (Though perhaps in a technical sense, to get dpkg to replace the
base with the non-base one).

> Or does pam use loadable modules

The individual pluggable authentication modules are .so files, yes.

> so the base can be compiled without cracklib but later load the cracklib
> library when non-base is installed?

This is something else. It may be possible to modify the individual PAMs to
use dlopen() and friends to dynamically load cracklib if available, but
(AFAIK) this is not in standard PAM.

Ray
-- 
UNFAIR  Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried 
to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY, 
UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS. 
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan  



Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 06:39:12 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:46:21AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote:
> > I'm now preparing an upload that'll mark PAM as orphaned.
> 
> Ack! We need pam to be maintained if we want to enable it's use in potato.

I agree; my time resources are fairly limited and do not allow for the kind
of commitment PAM maintenance would mean. (E.g., the modifications I made to
link the .so files against the libraries they depend on should really be
incorporated upstream, but I've not found time to forward&lobby)

> I'll take it, if no one intends on doing so themselves.

Great.

On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:34:45 -0500, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote:
> Another Ack!  I'd like to see cracklib support enabled in PAM.  Can we
> coordinate uploads here?  I plan on a new upload of cracklib this weekend
> which will close all existing bug reports.

Perhaps the best way for cracklib support in PAM is to redefine PAM's
packages into "base" and "non-base" ones. The "base" ones should be intended
for future (potato) inclusion in the base system (for use by e.g. login);
the "non-base" ones could require more libraries and auxiliary programs.
Such a change in packaging could also be used as an opportunity to merge
libpam0g and libpam0g-util (which have a mutual dependency).

On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:31:57 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> Since no one else has spoken up, I will take over pam. I will also look
> into cracklib support being put back in,

You're misunderstanding things here: PAM so far has not supported cracklib.
At one point, I was considering adding the support, and modified the build
system to add -lcracklib for the pamutil .so's, but I never got around to
really enabling the cracklib build.

Greetings,
Ray
-- 
UNFAIR  Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried 
to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY, 
UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS. 
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan  



Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 22:38:15 -0800, Chris Waters wrote:
> At the moment, everyone who installs ppp-pam (like me) will be forced to
> install cracklib, and suffer with daily emails to root.  We need to fix
> libpam0g.  Unfortunately, the maintainer seems to be inactive, and we're
> dependent on NMUs.  (Ray, that's you!)

*grumble, grumble* There's nothing special about me as a NM.

> I think that there should be a release critical bug here, but I think it
> should be #30862:  libpam0g depends on cracklib2.

Yup. I've looked at it again, and the dependency is superflous. (I modified
PAM to link it's .so's to all the libraries they need, and -lcracklib
slipped in there because I originally looked at enabling cracklib support).

I'm now preparing an upload that'll mark PAM as orphaned.

Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig



Re: Intent to package: jikes

1999-01-18 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 16:14:59 +0100, Ralf-Philipp Weinmann wrote:
> There's one package in particular that I'd like to see in future debian
> releases, namely jikes (a rather fast Java compiler by IBM which is
> written in C++

An intent to package Jikes by Mike Goldman was announce in December; see
http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=426659612

> and distributed by IBM in source form under an Open Source license
> agreement.

There are still problems with the Jikes license. See
http://www.nl.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-legal-9812/threads.html

Ray
-- 
PATRIOTISM  A great British writer once said that if he had to choose 
between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would
have the decency to betray his country.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: freetype1 is gone from slink, imagemagick still depends on it

1998-10-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 08:56:02AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
> Which brings me to a general question. Let's say I maintain software A
> version 1.0 and it has open bugs during freeze. Then shortly after it I
> find time to look at it and find that version 1.4 has been out already
> which among others fixes some of the bugs. Am I allowed to put this into
> frozen?

It is my impression that this would not have been allowed during the
previous code freeze. Brian has made some comments that lead me too believe
he intends to be slightly less strict this time than during the previous
one.

Personally, I think that this question should be answered on a case by case
basis, after deliberation between the maintainer(s) in question and the
release engineer (and perhaps, the general developer community), depending
on factors such as the feasibility of extracting just the desired bug fixes
out of the new code, the amount of changes that aren't related to those
bugfixes, the importance of the package, the (potential) impact on other
packages, how long we're in the freeze etc.

Ray
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Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:46:58PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote:
> While you're all on this thread, what about mozilla?

The current Debian package doesn't work with the current libc (#27181,
severity: grave).

> I was going to ask Brian for an extension for mozilla as I won't make
> 00:00 Saturday GMT

That's not a problem. The freeze deadline is for regular package uploads.
Now that we're in the freeze, only bugfixes are allowed. If you get mozilla
to work again, that fixes 27181 (which is release-critical), so such an
upload should be accepted.

Ray
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Re: pgp => gpg

1998-10-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 04:06:18PM +1000, Chris Leishman wrote:
> At the moment I am using pgp2i, but I would like to try and change to
> gnupg.  My question is - will I need to generate a new public/private key,
> or is it possible to use my pgp one with gnupg?

Technically it is possible to use your PGP one with gnupg, but it requires
the use of non-free (because of patents) extensions to gnupg (namely, the
RSA and idea modules).

> Also, can gnupg use pgp public keys (and which versions of pgp?). 

It can, with the same problems.

> And which versions of pgp can use gnupg keys?

PGP 5, I suspect.

> Sorry if this sounds very nieve.if I've got myself all muddled up
> could someone please explain how all this stuff really does work?

Check out the bug reports against "debian-keyring". There's an updated
README in there that e.g. explains how to sign your gnupg key with your PGP
one.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Upcoming 2.1 Release Architectures

1998-10-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 01:50:33PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> I last compiled (with success) 2.0.36pre2 with "gcc version egcs-2.90.29
> 980515 (egcs 1.0.3 release)" (according to /proc/version).  That works
> perfectly with ISDN and all, and stayed up for a month until I upgraded
> sysvinit which then decided to run through all the init scripts etc ;-(

Still, personally I wouldn't trust it. If I needed/wanted to compile a 2.0.x
kernel with egcs, I'd apply the patches at 
http://www.suse.de/~florian/
first.

Ray
-- 
J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR  Believe all you hear. Your world may  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  | not be a better one than the one the blocks   
  | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid.  
  | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan  



Re: Rocks'n'Diamonds up for grabs

1998-10-13 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 10:26:07AM +0200, Ole J. Tetlie wrote:
> The author is very friendly, but he doesn't reply instantaneously to mail.

Nice understatement :-)  Anyway, I seem to remember that the author reacted
favourably to a request to change the license of Rocks'n'Diamonds (and
another game, possibly "mirrormagic")  to a DFSG-free one; has this now been
done (or is this expected soon) ?

Ray
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Re: [] Bug#27841: apt: apt depends on a missing library

1998-10-13 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
[Note: [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't work]

On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 10:05:09PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
> Nobody has moved on getting libstdc++2.8 back in slink, even without a
> -dev. 

Daniel Jacobowitz (drow) is working on this IIRC, 

Personally, I'd rather see the packages that still depend on libstdc++2.8
recompiled for libstdc++2.9 .

Ray
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- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 



Re: Packages that disappeared

1998-10-12 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:13:33PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
> gnome-mico
> gnome-mico-dev

Replaced by an ORB written by the GNOME folks themselves, "orbit".

Ray
-- 
UNFAIR  Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried 
to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY, 
UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS. 
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan  



Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-09 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 01:20:34PM +0200, Samuel Tardieu wrote:
> I can see pcmcia (28-Sep-98 is needed) and netutils (so that IPv6 is
> supported), but not "a lot of packages".

IIRC, libc6 doesn't support IPv6; you need a beta version for that. So this
is only an issue if we intend to release one of the libc6.1 using ports.
 
Ray
-- 
Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.



Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-09 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 06:40:54AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In light of the perl issues (see my last message)

A bug report has been submitted to ftp.debian.org to put the previous
version back, which means the perl issues need not be dealt with in the
current development cycle.

> and the message Linus just sent off to linux-kernel about 2.1.125 and
> 2.2.0p1 could the freeze be pushed back a week to see if we should QUICKLY
> re-target slink towards 2.2.0?

I'm not aware of any software in slink that must be updated to work with 2.2
properly (with the exception of pcmcia-cs); slink currently runs fine with
2.1.x (which I suspect quite a few developers run).

If the release manager is willing to accept the 2.2 kernel and rebuilt
bootdisks during the freeze, I see no reason to postpone the freeze date.
Brian?

Ray
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POPULATION EXPLOSION  Unique in human experience, an event which happened 
yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow.  
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan