Re: cowbuilder (pbuilder/cowdancer) released
おはよう ございます 上川さん! Junichi Uekawa wrote: > cowbuilder --create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd Perfect, thanks a lot, cowbuilder will get some checking with my packages. Best wishes Norbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cowbuilder (pbuilder/cowdancer) released
On Sam, 27 Mai 2006, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > cowbuilder --create Is there a way to create a cowbuilder/pbuilder buildd similar environment, i.e. required + build-essential? I use pbuilder for building my packages and created the build.tgz with --login --save-after-login and kicking out everything with hand... Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BRUMBY The fake antique plastic seal on a pretentious whisky bottle. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11R7 and what this transition means for you
On Die, 18 Apr 2006, Eugene Konev wrote: > /etc/X11/fonts/X11R7/Type1/foo.scale Thanks for clarifying this. > NP> I would say that the former (the old location) would make more sense, > NP> since it does not really help to have the additional X11R7 in the > NP> /e/X/f/ hierachy. > > This will lead to alias and scale files having invalid entries if you > have fonts installed in both old (/usr/X11R6) and new (/usr/share) > locations. Ah, ok. Thanks. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- TIBSHELF (n.) Criss-cross wooden construction hung on a wall in a teenage girl's bedroom which is covered with glass bambies and poodles, matching pigs and porcelain ponies in various postures. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11R7 and what this transition means for you
Hi all! Could you please explain me what is the right place where to put .scale files? On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Eugene Konev wrote: > This part is broken now. So I ask you please _do not_ yet upload rebuilt > packages if you use dh_installxfonts. Or you should handle your > maintainer scripts by hand. The required (as from X11R6) changes are: > * place your *.scale and *.alias files in > /etc/X11/fonts/X11R7// instead of /etc/X11/fonts// > * call update-fonts-dir (-scale, -alias) with --x11r7-layout (or -7) > switch. On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Joey Hess wrote: > Also, if your package uses alias files in /etc/X11/fonts/, it needs to > move to /etc/X11/fonts/X11R7/, and will need debhelper 5.0.31. 5.0.31 > also passes --x11r7-layout to update-fonts-* commands, which seems to be > needed to get it to look in the new fonts locations. So I let the package depend on debhelper >= 5.0.31, but: /etc/X11/fonts/Type1/foo.scale or /etc/X11/fonts/X11R7/Type1/foo.scale ? I would say that the former (the old location) would make more sense, since it does not really help to have the additional X11R7 in the /e/X/f/ hierachy. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- DETCHANT (n.) (Of the hands or feet.) Prunelike after an overlong bath. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GFDL/non-free procedure
Dear all! I am moving out the GFDL documentation from the texinfo package and want to ask whether the following procedure is the right way to do it: Current status: source package: texinfo orig file: texinfo_4.8.orig.tar.gz binary packages:texinfo_4.8-8, info_4.8-8 New status: source package: texinfo orig file: texinfo_4.8.dfsg.orig.tar.gz binary packags: texinfo_4.8.dfsg-1, info_4.8.dfsg-1 source package: texinfo-doc-nonfree orig file: texinfo-doc-nonfree_4.8.orig.tar.gz binary package: texinfo-doc-nonfree_4.8-1 Then I probably need something like texinfo-doc-nonfree:Replaces texinfo/info <= 4.8-8 Conflicts texinfo/info <= 4.8-8 Is this ok? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- KERRY (n.) The small twist of skin which separated each sausage on a string. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GFDL question
Dear all! Now that the GFDL resolution has been done, I have the following question: Most (some) documents of the FSF have the following license for the docs: Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with the Front-Cover texts being ``A GNU Manual'', and with the Back-Cover Texts as in (a) below. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU Free Documentation License'' in the Emacs manual. (a) The FSF's Back-Cover Text is: ``You have freedom to copy and modify this GNU Manual, like GNU software. Copies published by the Free Software Foundation raise funds for GNU development.'' Ok, there are no invariant sections, but there is (a short) front and back cover text. How do we proceed with these documents? (Please no flames) Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- TOTTERIDGE (n.) The ridiculous two-inch hunch that people adopt when arriving late for the theatre in the vain and futile hope that it will minimise either the embarrassment of the lack of visibility for the rest of the audience. c.f. hickling. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts packages maintenance team (second) proposal
On Mit, 08 Mär 2006, Christian Perrier wrote: > So, please follow up in -devel to show interest, criticism, laughs > and the like (if needed, temporarily subscribe to -devel...you'll see > it's not *only* made of trolls and flamewars). Good idea. I am willing to provide my (limited) knowledge wrt TeX and fonts. If your start a alioth project, please put me in: preining-guest. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- LAMLASH (n.) The folder on hotel dressing-tables full of astoundingly dull information. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bug pages and source packages
HI all! When I go to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=info it tells me ... to the source package texinfo's bug page ... But when I go to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=texlive-base-bin I don't see te link to the source package. Furthermore, bugs in the binary packages from src=texlive-bin do *not* occur on the qa.debian.org/developer.php page. Is the reason for this that the texlive packages are in experimental and not in unstable? Thanks a lot for any explanations! Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- MOFFAT (n. tailoring term) That part of your coat which is designed to be sat on by the person next of you on the bus. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#204117: Help with installing sgml/xml catalogue stuff
Hi Neil! On Mon, 06 Feb 2006, Neil Roeth wrote: > This web page: http://debian-xml-sgml.alioth.debian.org/ has a link to the > "Latest XML Policy Draft" which has info on where files should go. Have you > seen that? No, thanks for the link. I have still a question concerning the placement in sgml vs xml: I have a texinfo.dtd, a catalogue entry texinfo.cat: OVERRIDE YES PUBLIC "-//GNU//DTD TexinfoML V4.8//EN" "texinfo.dtd" and a texinfo.xsl: http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"; version="1.0"> ... I thought to put the dtd and the catalogue (=texinfo.cat) into /usr/share/sgml/texinfo/texinfo.dtd /usr/share/sgml/texinfo/catalog So now my two questions: - is the above the correct location - what should I do with texinfo.xsl Thanks a lot and all the best Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- CHICAGO (n.) The foul-smelling wind which precedes an underground railway train. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help with installing sgml/xml catalogue stuff
Hi all! I am asking here since the debian-sgml list only contains spam in the last few months. I want to install the following three files texinfo.dtd texinfo.xsl texinfo.cat in a debian conform way. There is a bug 204117 which suggests that I install the dtd under /usr/share/sgml. How is the default way to do this, and where should the files actually go /usr/share/sgml/dtd/ I assume for the dtd, but the rest? Should this be done via dh_installcatalogs? Or dh_installxmlcatalogs? Thanks a lot for any comments and all the best Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- WOOLFARDISHWORTHY (n.) A mumbled, mispronounced or misheard word in a song, speech or play. Derived from the well-known mumbles passage in Hamlet : '...and the spurns, That patient merit of the unworthy takes When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? Who woolfardisworthy To grunt and sweat under a weary life?' --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live
On Don, 01 Dez 2005, Karl Berry wrote: > Regretfully, Dr. Shinsaku unambiguously replied to me that he wishes to > restrict XyMTeX distribution. So I'll be taking it out of TeX Live for > next year. Thanks Karl for asking. I am rebuilding texlive debian packages now without xymtex. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die from asphyxiation in deep space that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.' `Why, what did she tell you?' `I don't know, I didn't listen.' --- Arthur coping with certain death as best as he could. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XyMTeX in TeX live
> > file. Under what license do you intend to distribute those files? > > > > > > 3) Some files, for instance doc402/jobdoc402/xymps402.tex, contain a > > > statement "This file is not permitted to be translated into Japanese and > > > any other languages." May I ask the reasoning behind this? This > > > restriction would not make it possible to distribute XyMTeX in the > > > "main" section of software distributed by Debian; it would have to go > > > into the so-called "non-free" section which is not as well-supported nor > > > as much used. > > > > > > 4) Is it permitted to remove some files (for instance, the .dtx files) > > > that will not be needed by most users, from a copy of XyMTeX that might > > > be redistributed by someone? > > > > > > 5) Is it permitted to move some files (for instance the .pdf files) to a > > > different directory, in a copy of XyMTeX that might be redistributed by > > > someone? Users of Debian packages usually expect to find documentation > > > in one specific location (not under texmf), for instance. > > > > > > 6) May people also distribute the file > > > http://imt.chem.kit.ac.jp/fujita/fujitas3/xymtex/xym101/xymdvi/xymtex.pdf > > > under the same license that you decide upon for my question (2)? > > > > > > Thank you very much for your time. I am looking forward to hearing your > > > answers. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > -- > > Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department > > WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University > > GPG public key ID: 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 > --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- SLOGARIE (n.) Hillwalking dialect for the seven miles of concealed rough moorland which lie between what you though was the top of the hill and what actually is. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi Jörg! On Mit, 30 Nov 2005, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> > There is no way that we can make one binary package for close to 1Gb of > >> > software. > >> When did I ask you to make one single binary package? > > Even if I take five packages each of it will be bigger than anything > > else in Debian and completely unable to be handled. > > Stuff like OOo for example isnt small either. I didn't want to imply that there are no big packages, but Ooo has biggest component ooo-core with around 30Mb, while from the texlive packages we have one with around 85M, and several (9) in the aera of 10-50M. BUT: I don't imply that this is a quality criterium, not the least. I only want to give evidence that splitting texlive into several packages is necessary, in contrast to what Josselin proposed/suggested. > > There is a lot of duplication in Debian, and up to now nobody has > > complaint. > > Hey, im often enough bitching at people uploading the X version of > $similar thing. There is also "Multiple versions" at > http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html. I am well aware of this faq. That's the reason why I try to single out as much packages as possible, especially the big ones (cm-super: 60M, lmodern: waiting for a maintainer, I have already created test packages for the prospective maintainer, cjk waiting, musixtex in discussion, etc) to get rid of duplicates. Furthermore we (debian tetex maint and I) are working on making the packages of tetex and texlive playing well together, i.e. that tetex users can install texlive packages. But this is for later on, as it requires some reworking of the TeX Policy, tex-common and some packages. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- POONA (n.) Satisfied grunting noise made when sitting back after a good meal. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi Josselin! On Die, 29 Nov 2005, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > There is no way that we can make one binary package for close to 1Gb of > > software. > > When did I ask you to make one single binary package? Even if I take five packages each of it will be bigger than anything else in Debian and completely unable to be handled. > > The granularity delivered by texlive is generally considered an > > advantage, but for those in search for a smaller solution with only few > > packages, there is tetex. > > And there's a duplication of most TeX components. I hope there is some > plan to merge those packages some day in the future. There is a lot of duplication in Debian, and up to now nobody has complaint. We are working on taking out and packagin *big* stuff (like font packages: lmodern, cm-super) so that they can be used with both teTeX and TeX live. The work on TeX live for Debian has actually led to this and an improved TeX Policy. > > > I know you're going to tell me there will be metapackages, and that I > > > > No, there won't be. There is already texlive-latex-recommended and/or > > texlive-latex-base. If you apt-get/aptitude install this, you have a > > working system. > > Aren't these metapackages? No! Why do you believe this. > Anyway, you haven't even read what I've written. *sigh* I did *read* very well what you wrote. Please take a look at the packages before complaining: YOu wrote: > I know you're going to tell me there will be metapackages, and that I > should just use them. and I answered: > No, there won't be. I think this is clear communication. And if you cannot take the time for taking a look wether texlive-latex-recommended is a metapackage or not, well. > How can users know which package to install to get a working TeX system? Yes, a TeX system is *not* for the faint of heart! It is more complex and definitely bigger than anything in Debian. You cannot expect that a complete novice becomes a TeXnician by using the Debian packages. We take from the users the burden to care for formats, font maps and various other things. But flexibility has to be paid by complexity. That's live. What do you propose? 5 bin packages, 10? Where is the limit? And if you go below 5, the packages will *never* be accepted for the sole reason that they are t big. > texlive-latex-base or texlive-foobar-stuff ? Worse, how can he know what > Debian package to install when a .sty is missing? Will it be in This has been the same since many many years: How does one know that if you want to install pshan.sty you have to install the cjk package in Debian? And this does not happen only with TeX files, I often enough have to search packages.debian.org for a specific file. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- There are of course many problems connected with life, of which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?' Why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?' --- The Book. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
On Die, 29 Nov 2005, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > one source package, that would be easiest for me. Then we would have the > > TeX live iso image, add a debian subdir and build everything. But then > > again, who want's to upload 700M all the time. > > No, not one single thing. Brrr. Guess so. Would be fun, but for sure will break down the servers. > > What do you count as simple errors? > > Stuff thats easy to find, like it breaks if you dpkg -i it, or simply > doesnt run/work. Ok, well, obvious. This is checked in chroot cage, in my working system, etc. > "So, when's sarge going to be released?" Shouldn't this be etch now! Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- WEEM (n.) The tools with which a dentist can inflict the greatest pain. Formerly, which tool this was dependent upon the imagination and skill of the individual dentist, though now, with technological advances, weems can be bought specially. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
On Die, 29 Nov 2005, Josselin Mouette wrote: > I'd go further, by asking why there must be so many binary packages. Of > course, granularity is good, but too much granularity only means > confusion. When I install a TeX system, I want a working environment > without wondering if I need to install tex-foo or tex-bar. That's why Please read the thread following the ITP. If you want teTeX, install it. There is no way that we can make one binary package for close to 1Gb of software. (ITP: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00970.html) The granularity delivered by texlive is generally considered an advantage, but for those in search for a smaller solution with only few packages, there is tetex. > I know you're going to tell me there will be metapackages, and that I No, there won't be. There is already texlive-latex-recommended and/or texlive-latex-base. If you apt-get/aptitude install this, you have a working system. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- JAWCRAIG (n. medical) A massive facial spasm which is brought on by being told a really astounding piece of news. A mysterious attack of jawcraig affected 40,000 sheep in Whales in 1952. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-DFSG TeXLive stuff [was: Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED]
On Die, 29 Nov 2005, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > Hmm... in that case, I should mention my experience with XyMTeX, an > organic chemistry LaTeX package included in TeX Live. Anyone else who > wants to comment on non-DFSG-free components of TeX Live may as well > follow up to this email. > > See Debian bug #304714 where I had originally filed an ITP, and the > thread starting at > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/04/msg00408.html where I asked > about the license. Unfortunately, when I emailed the author for a To my reading that thread didn't end in a conclusion that it is not acceptable. Furthermore, IMHO, if it would be *not* acceptable, then we would have to remove all, I repeat *ALL* LPPL licensed packages. I guess this is something we don't want to have in Debian. > > I regret to say that only personal redistribution (except CTAN) is > > permissible. > > Thank your for your kind attention to XyMTeX. This seems strange, I guess there was a misunderstanding, because the right to distribute the file unchanged is given in the file itself. Hard to say since we don't see the mail exchange with Shinsaku Fujita. So I don't see a serious problem here, only if you also want to remove most TeX package at all. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- The suit into which the man's body had been stuffed looked as if it's only purpose in life was to demonstrate how difficult it was to get this sort of body into a suit. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
On Die, 29 Nov 2005, Peter Samuelson wrote: > First of all, let me cast my vote for -doc-XX rather than -XX-doc. It Already implemented. > [Norbert Preining] > > texlive-documentation-czechslovak texlive-cs-doc > > Czech and Slovak are two different languages, 'cs' and 'sk'. You > should check (no pun intended) to see if both languages are in there. Hmm, there are, so I will go for texlive-doc-cs-sk Or are there other proposals? > Hmmm. Kind of ugly not to be able to use 2-letter ISO codes, but since > many of these are groups of languages it probably is the best you can > do after all. (Reminds me of my childhood, when people often used to > ask me "Do you speak African?") Original I thought this also for the doc packages, but this was rejected by most of the posters. > > texlive-pstrickstexlive-pstricks > > Is "pstricks" a single binary, akin to psmerge or psselect? If not, It is a big package called "pstricks". Thanks for the comments. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- `How do you feel?' he asked him. bits of me keep passing out.' `We're safe,' he said. `Oh good,' said Arthur. in one of the spaceships of the Vogon Constructor Fleet.' this is obviously some strange usage of the word "safe" that I wasn't previously aware of.' --- Arthur after his first ever teleport ride. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
On Die, 29 Nov 2005, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > I agree "-lang-" is probably better than locale/l10n/i18n for the reason > > you state. > > One thing please, either iso codes or longnames, not both. longnames, as I said. lang- for exactely this reason, not wanting to have different standards. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BEALINGS The unsavoury parts of a moat which a knight has to pour out of his armour after being the victim of an araglin (q.v.). In medieval Flanders, soup made from bealins was a very slightly sought-after delicacy. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > > texlive-binaries-source 96M > > --- > > texlive-basicbintexlive-base-bin > > texlive-binextratexlive-extrautils > > I'd suggest texline-extra-utils here, because (at least to me) "extra" ok. > > texlive-langindic texlive-lang-indic > > Shouldn't this go with languages, below? No, because in texlive-binaries-source there are all the arch-depend bins collected, while all the others are arch=all. This was done on purpose to reduce the load on the servers and do not make horrible file duplications. > > texlive-graphicstools texlive-graphicstools > > A hyphen would really be appreciated here, too. Probably because of "st" ok, done, too. > > texlive-langcjk texlive-lang-cjk > > Another language. As above. > > texlive-documentation-base texlive-base-doc > > I'm going to agree with the other poster: These should all be > texlive-doc-FOO instead of texlive-FOO-doc (including the base one). Also done. > > > texlive-languages-source37M > > > > Reasoning: We use names instead of codes as several of these packages > > include > > support for different languages/variants (greek: various versions of greek > > with different iso codes, ...). > > This makes them oddly different than the documentation packages. Could Yeah, this is true, but OTOH, these packages *are* different things. They are *not* localizations, they are actual tex input files supporting the *generation* of documents in these languages. They can be used under all locales, languages, countries, I want to stress this in the sense that I want to lure people into: Hey I don't need this. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- GALLIPOLI (adj.) Of the behaviour of a bottom lip trying to spit mouthwash after an injection at the dentist. Hence, loose, floppy, useless. 'She went suddenly Gallipoli in his arms' - Noel Coward. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi Jörg! On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Please comment, not only on the package naming, but also on the > > bin-to-source mapping. > > Hey, that looks ways better than the initial upload. Good work. :) > And with 5 sources left its also much less then what I suggested. Thanks. I always try to incorporate suggestions. I could even go down to one source package, that would be easiest for me. Then we would have the TeX live iso image, add a debian subdir and build everything. But then again, who want's to upload 700M all the time. > > texlive-binaries-source 96M > > texlive-documentation-source57M > > texlive-languages-source37M > > texlive-base-source 78M > > texlive-extra-source172M > > Drop the -source from the source names i would say. Its clear what is > source and what not. :) Ok. > With those package sizes you should be *damn sure* that the stuff > you/your sponsor uploads *really* works and doesnt have any simple > errors. I assume you have a good testsuite for it? :) What do you count as simple errors? I install-remove-install-purge test most packages, run all of them on my working machine, go through some test in a chroot, build all in sid-chroot. And I hope that I can create a more automatic test suite later on. > >> allrunes dfsg > >> Please: Tell me its not true that the DFSG is used as a license there. > >As stated in the License file, this list was generated from the TeX > >Catalogue, which *can be wrong*! If you check the actual allrunes files, > >you see that it is LPPL. > > Well, yes. To be honest: I looked for the real license before I wrote > this. :) > Take this as a pointer to a.) correct the catalog and b.) correct the > header of the generated license.txt. And/Or whoever listed "dfsg" as a > license in the first place. Please see Frank Küsters email to this topic. It is true that the TeX live license file is not perfect, but - with Frank's words - it is much better than the one in teTeX. We are working on fixing this. I have recently gotten write access to the TeX Catatolgues cvs repository so that I can feed back in corrections to the license descriptions. And if you take a look at the texlive ml at tug.org, I can assure you that Karl Berry is very eager in dropping everything from TeX live which has the slightest problem with being DFSG free. So, yes, you are right, there is much to do. But I hope this is not a barrier for getting it into Debian now. The Debian teTeX Team and I are working on clearing up the situation as good as possible. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- WINSTON-SALEM (n.) A person in a restaurant who suggest to their companions that they should split the cost of the meal equally, and then orders two packets of cigarettes on the bill. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi Miles! On Die, 29 Nov 2005, Miles Bader wrote: >PKG-doc >PKG-doc-LANG (LANG is usually code like "fr") > > Not sure, but I guess either just "texlive-doc" or "texlive-doc-base". Done, texlive-doc-XX > > For the language stuff: Here is a problem as some languages packages are > > not *one* single language, but several (arabic, cjk, other). So would it > > be the best solution to have > > old:texlive-langX > > new:texlive--lang > > Existing usage seems a bit mixed; the main common point seems to be > "-LANG" as a suffix. Some patterns are: > >PKG-LANG >PKG-locale-LANG (this seems the most common) >PKG-l10n-LANG(openoffice uses this) >PKG-i18n-LANG(kde uses this) I will use the texlive-lang- due to the following reasons: . the packages are *not* about locales, l10n, nor i18n, it is about writing in this language, which can be done under any locale. It is no localization of TeX, but support for typesetting these languages . keep the out of the same reasons Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- DUDOO (n.) The most deformed potato in any given collection of potatoes. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Dear all! I have reworked the whole packaging naming and would like all of you again for comments: I collect here the binary packages by source package, and list first the old name, then the new name. For doc and lang I give some reasoning. Please comment, not only on the package naming, but also on the bin-to-source mapping. texlive-binaries-source 96M --- texlive-basicbintexlive-base-bin texlive-binextratexlive-extrautils texlive-fontbin texlive-fontutils texlive-htmlxml texlive-htmlxml texlive-metaposttexlive-metapost texlive-omega texlive-omega texlive-pdfetex texlive-pdfetex texlive-psutils texlive-psutils texlive-ttfutilstexlive-ttfutils texlive-music texlive-music texlive-langindic texlive-lang-indic texlive-graphicstools texlive-graphicstools texlive-langcjk texlive-lang-cjk texlive-documentation-source57M Reasoning: The documenatation is actually in a specific language, so we use the respective language code. texlive-documentation-base texlive-base-doc texlive-documentation-bulgarian texlive-bg-doc texlive-documentation-czechslovak texlive-cs-doc texlive-documentation-dutch texlive-nl-doc texlive-documentation-english texlive-en-doc texlive-documentation-finnish texlive-fi-doc texlive-documentation-frenchtexlive-fr-doc texlive-documentation-germantexlive-de-doc texlive-documentation-greek texlive-el-doc texlive-documentation-italian texlive-it-doc texlive-documentation-japanese texlive-ja-doc texlive-documentation-koreantexlive-ko-doc texlive-documentation-mongolian texlive-mn-doc texlive-documentation-polishtexlive-pl-doc texlive-documentation-portuguese texlive-pt-doc texlive-documentation-russian texlive-ru-doc texlive-documentation-spanish texlive-es-doc texlive-documentation-thai texlive-th-doc texlive-documentation-ukrainian texlive-uk-doc texlive-languages-source37M Reasoning: We use names instead of codes as several of these packages include support for different languages/variants (greek: various versions of greek with different iso codes, ...). texlive-langafrican texlive-lang-african texlive-langarabtexlive-lang-arab texlive-langarmeniantexlive-lang-armenian texlive-langcroatiantexlive-lang-croatian texlive-langcyrillictexlive-lang-cyrillic texlive-langczechslovak texlive-lang-czechslovak texlive-langdanish texlive-lang-danish texlive-langdutch texlive-lang-dutch texlive-langfinnish texlive-lang-finnish texlive-langfrench texlive-lang-french texlive-langgerman texlive-lang-german texlive-langgreek texlive-lang-greek texlive-langhebrew texlive-lang-hebrew texlive-langhungarian texlive-lang-hungarian texlive-langitalian texlive-lang-italian texlive-langlatin texlive-lang-latin texlive-langmanju texlive-lang-manju texlive-langmongolian texlive-lang-mongolian texlive-langnorwegian texlive-lang-norwegian texlive-langother texlive-lang-other texlive-langpolish texlive-lang-polish texlive-langportuguese texlive-lang-portuguese texlive-langspanish texlive-lang-spanish texlive-langswedish texlive-lang-swedish texlive-langtibetan texlive-lang-tibetan texlive-langukenglish texlive-lang-ukenglish texlive-langvietnamese texlive-lang-vietnamese texlive-base-source 78M texlive-basic texlive-base texlive-context texlive-context texlive-genericrecommended texlive-generic-recommended texlive-latex texlive-latex-base texlive-latexrecommendedtexlive-latex-recommended texlive-fontsrecommendedtexlive-fonts-recommended texlive-pictures texlive-extra-source172M texlive-bibtexextra texlive-bibtex-extra texlive-formatsextratexlive-formats-extra texlive-genericextratexlive-generic-extra texlive-mathextra texlive-math-extra texlive-plainextra texlive-plain-extra texlive-latexextra texlive-latex-extra texlive-latex3 texlive-latex3 texlive-fontsextra texlive-fonts-extra texlive-chemistry texlive-chemistry texlive-games texlive-games texlive-pstrickstexlive-pstricks texlive-publishers texlive-publishers Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi all! (Taking out all the private email adr plus the other lists of the Cc and continuing only on debian-devel) On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Miles Bader wrote: > I assume that people seeing/using texlive-in-debian are more likely to > be long-term Debian users rather than veteran texlive users, and will > benefit both from more readable package names, and (as you say) from > consistency with other debian packages. Note that there is a definite > benefit to this sort of consistency -- I often do operations in aptitude > by matching on package prefixes/suffix, e.g. everything matching "-doc" > (or whatever). Ok, accepted. Let's go on and try to settle this: How would the layout go for documentation packages. Ok, for a documentation in language I take the XX code and generate old:texlive-documentation-x new:texlive-XX-doc But what to do with the texlive-documentation-base, should it become old:texlive-documenatation-base new:texlive-base-doc ? For the language stuff: Here is a problem as some languages packages are not *one* single language, but several (arabic, cjk, other). So would it be the best solution to have old:texlive-langX new:texlive--lang ? Finally a question concerning the package build from binaries-source: texlive-binaries-source 96M texlive-basicbin texlive-binextra texlive-fontbin texlive-htmlxml texlive-metapost texlive-omega texlive-pdfetex texlive-psutils texlive-ttfutils texlive-music texlive-langindic texlive-graphicstools texlive-langcjk Renaming some of them in the `obvious' way is in fact misleading: Take eg old:texlive-binextra and rename it to new:texlive-extra-bin Then most Debian users would expect a package "texlive-extra" and this one would provide only the binaries. But in binextra there are not the binaries for some extra package, there are just extra binaries including the necessary support files, so complete packages. To stress this fact: texlive-fontbin, texlive-binextra should be renamed to have decent names, but they are in some sense self contained packages containing binaries and the necessary support files, they are not of the usual -bin type packages in Debian, ie splitting out binaries from one package to have only small arch dep packages and one big arch indep package. If this changes anything in your idea on how the packages should be named, tell me, I am open to this. Otherwise, according to your comments, I would suggest texlive-base-bin texlive-extra-bin texlive-font-bin texlive-htmlxml texlive-metapost texlive-omega texlive-pdfetex texlive-psutils texlive-ttfutils texlive-music texlive-indic-lang texlive-graphicstools texlive-cjk-lang Would this be an acceptable naming scheme for all present? Also ftpmasters? Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- LOUTH (n.) The sort of man who wears loud check jackets, has a personalised tankard behind the bar and always gets served before you do. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi Frank! On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Frank Küster wrote: > > texlive-languages-source37M > > texlive-base-source 78M > > texlive-extra-source172M > > Whether this is a good idea depends on a decision that, IIRC, we have > not yet talked about: Will you only provide packages of the released > version, or also of (usable) development versions? In the latter case, Irrelevant. > I think it would be a good idea to keep documentation sources and TeX > input file sources together. Otherwise you'd have to rebuilt all > packages from texlive-documentation-source and texlive-languages-source > just because one language package was updated on CTAN and mirrored in > TeXLive. No, because a tpm is treated as unit, thus the documentation and source/input files are always in sync. the documentation-foobar packages provide documentation in the respective language if available. > And generally I wonder: Don't you generate most of the documentation > from dtx files, and many input files from the same dtx files? Then why No, I use what is in the depot of perforce texlive. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- You're bound to be unhappy if you optimize everything. --- Donald E. Knuth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi all! On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Miles Bader wrote: > nicely as "texlive-lang-tibetan" and "texlive-fonts-recommended". On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Rogério Brito wrote: > > texlive-binaries-source 96M > > texlive-basicbin > What about texlive-bin-base? As I said, it is true that I can arbitrary hyphens, but there was a decisison behind these names: Keeping the collections of TeX live (this is what users see when they use the installer) and the debian packages namewise in sync. I have no problem introducing different names, but only if I see good reasons other than "I like it" or "it is usual like this". To me, the argument on name-sync collection-debiannames is strong enough to keep the current names. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- IBSTOCK (n.) Anything used to make a noise on a corrugated iron wall or clinker-built fence by dragging it along the surface while walking past it. 'Mr Bennett thoughtfully selected a stout ibstock and left the house.' - Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice, II. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
Hi Jörg, hi ftpmasters! On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Norbert Preining wrote: > > binary. Better merge them into one texlive-source and build the > > different binary packages out of that one. You are left with 47 sources.. > > > > Similar things can be said for the language packs, merge the *27* to one > > and built the binaries out of that. Down to 21 sources. :) > > Ok, this is no problem. The .orig.tar.gz will be bigger, but I can merge > the source packages without any problem. What do you thing about this scheme: (source package with size of the .orig.tar.gz, plus included binary packages) Would this be an acceptable solution for you? texlive-binaries-source 96M texlive-basicbin texlive-binextra texlive-fontbin texlive-htmlxml texlive-metapost texlive-omega texlive-pdfetex texlive-psutils texlive-ttfutils texlive-music texlive-langindic texlive-graphicstools texlive-langcjk texlive-documentation-source57M texlive-documentation-base texlive-documentation-bulgarian texlive-documentation-czechslovak texlive-documentation-dutch texlive-documentation-english texlive-documentation-finnish texlive-documentation-french texlive-documentation-german texlive-documentation-greek texlive-documentation-italian texlive-documentation-japanese texlive-documentation-korean texlive-documentation-mongolian texlive-documentation-polish texlive-documentation-portuguese texlive-documentation-russian texlive-documentation-spanish texlive-documentation-thai texlive-documentation-ukrainian texlive-languages-source37M texlive-langafrican texlive-langarab texlive-langarmenian texlive-langcroatian texlive-langcyrillic texlive-langczechslovak texlive-langdanish texlive-langdutch texlive-langfinnish texlive-langfrench texlive-langgerman texlive-langgreek texlive-langhebrew texlive-langhungarian texlive-langitalian texlive-langlatin texlive-langmanju texlive-langmongolian texlive-langnorwegian texlive-langother texlive-langpolish texlive-langportuguese texlive-langspanish texlive-langswedish texlive-langtibetan texlive-langukenglish texlive-langvietnamese texlive-base-source 78M texlive-basic texlive-context texlive-genericrecommended texlive-latex texlive-latexrecommended texlive-fontsrecommended texlive-pictures texlive-extra-source172M texlive-bibtexextra texlive-formatsextra texlive-genericextra texlive-mathextra texlive-plainextra texlive-latexextra texlive-latex3 texlive-fontsextra texlive-chemistry texlive-games texlive-pstricks texlive-publishers Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- MEATH (adj.) Warm and very slightly clammy. Descriptive of the texture of your hands after the automatic drying machine has turned itself off, just damp enough to make it embarrassing if you have to shake hands with someone immediately afterwards. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Norbert Preining wrote: > (I take in debian-devel and debian-tetex-maint) For completeness I attach the complete email of Jörg. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- WEST WITTERING (participial vb.) The uncontrollable twitching which breaks out when you're trying to get away from the most boring person at a party. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff --- Begin Message --- Hi Maintainer(s), Looking at the texlive packages in NEW I have some comments for you, leaving alone my big ? why one wants to include basically a ctan mirror in debian / dupe many things with tetex, instead of simply putting more man-power/work into tetex if its not modular enough. Looking at what I know from texlive its intended as a live thingie for users to play/start with tex? Is there such a huge userbase for this to include it (hey, its >600MB) into Debian? Im also not really happy with the current packaging, starting with the too heavy split of (source) packages. You have 65 of them right now. For example there are 19 documentation source packages, all building one binary. Better merge them into one texlive-source and build the different binary packages out of that one. You are left with 47 sources. Similar things can be said for the language packs, merge the *27* to one and built the binaries out of that. Down to 21 sources. :) Also I *suggest* to add a - after lang, so it reads lang-FOO, which is *IMO* easier. (Well, for all packages which dont have the additional -). To not repeat too much: The same goes for all different source packages that are splitted into recommended/extra/whatever. I think you can end up with less than 20 source packages, building up the same functionality as you do now with 65. Yes, that makes the orig-tarballs bigger, but I dont think thats so much of a problem here. Oh, if I go and read the included Licenses.txt i see they have the following listed: # The licenses codes as described on # http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/licenses.html # are # DFSG free licenses: # dfsg Debian Free Software Guidelines # artisticPerl Artistic License [... and so on] and a bit down: allrunes dfsg (and more package) Please: Tell me its not true that the DFSG is used as a license there. Note: Feel free to move the discussion to the -devel list if you want. -- bye Joerg === If you don't understand why your files were rejected, or if the override file requires editing, reply to this email. --- End Message ---
Re: texlive-basic_2005-1_i386.changes REJECTED
tpmasters would not accept, I will change. What further steps are necessary to get the OK from the ftpmasters? Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- KIMMERIDGE (n.) The light breeze which blows through your armpit hair when you are stretched out sunbathing. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cannot log into debian svn server, communication via svn+ssh broken?
Hi all! ATM I cannot log into the svn server, nor use svn+ssh anymore. Are there any works going on? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- GLEMENUILT (n.) The kind of guilt which you'd completely forgotten about which comes roaring back on discovering an old letter in a cupboard. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian
Dear Developers! I have a question concerning the .orig.tar.gz files for the following ITP: On Fre, 10 Jun 2005, Norbert Preining wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: texlive > Version : 2005.1 > Upstream Author : TeXlive Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://www.tug.org/texlive > * License : mixed, but all Debian conform > Description : The TeXlive system packaged for debian > > TeX Live is an easy way to get up and running with TeX. It includes all > major freely-available TeX-related programs, macro packages, and fonts, > including support for many languages around the world. TeX live has a very peculiar distribution model: There is a Perforce depot and the CD/DVDs. This is upstream. I have prepared around 80 binary .debs with the binaries included in TeX live (see http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html). Now I am going to make proper debian packages. Herein the following problems occur: One option would be to make one (1!) .orig.tar.gz from the whole TeXLive depot stuff necessary, this would amount to an orig.tar.gz of 456 M and from this .orig.tar.gz build all the 80 packages. Would this be a feasable option, or would I get killed immediately when doing this? Another option would be to separate the arch-independent packages out, create for each of them a separate .orig.tar.gz containing the necessary subset of the TeX live tree, and one (smaller, but still big) .orig.tar.gz for the arch-dependend packages together with the necessary files. Finally, I could go for the complete split, which would produce a set of .orig.tar.gz which are the respective subsets of the TeX live depot, but these would not resemble `upstream' as is. Please enlighten me on this matter. Best wishes Norbert PS: If someone has the urge to mentor me for upload (it is still a long way, but I have to plan ahead) please contact me. ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BOOKThere is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarrely inexeplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. --- Introduction to Fit the Seventh. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian
Hallo Frank, hallo Adrian! On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Frank Küster wrote: > TeX-Live exists for a couple of years now, and while it might gain some > teTeX users, teTeX upstream is by no means dead. So for these users, Definitely. Thomas is himself actively contributing to TeXlive. > One other thing is that texlive's focus is on personal computers - > Windows, Mac, and i386-Linux, while teTeX is a distribution for > UNIX-like operating systems. I'm not an architecture expert, but I can Well, this is not completely true. The list of architectures on which TeXlive runs is quite impressive, I would say: alpha-linux i386-freebsd i386-linux mips-irix powerpc-aix powerpc-darwin sparc-solaris sparc64-linux x86_64-linux and in fact it should also contain i386-windows binaries. (some version restrictions may apply) And in fact this is also a reason for TeXlive, that it runs on so many platforms. We are using it here on our institute were a file server serves the whole of TeXlive via nfs to several clients. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- DARENTH (n.) Measure = 0.176 mg. Defined as that amount of margarine capable of covering one hundred slices of bread to the depth of one molecule. This is the legal maximum allowed in sandwich bars in Greater London. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian
On Son, 12 Jun 2005, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > It is one the one hand a live dvd, but also one of the most complete TeX > > systems. There are several differences between tetex and texlive, > > especially wrt the granularity of packaging. See the discussion on > > tetex-maint ML which I had with Frank Küster, maintainer of tetex. In > > fact he asked me to file the ITP as we are working on this. > > So there are going to be two full distributions of TeX in Debian? If we succeed in packaging texlive, yes. Is there an inherent problem with this? The advantage of texlive is a more finegrained package structure, the advantage of tetex is that it is here, now, fully supported, well developed, working. Maybe in the future we can have both worlds, fine grained and fully working. That´s the reason Frank and I are working together. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- HARBOTTLE (n.) A particular kind of fly which lives inside double glazing. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian
On Fre, 10 Jun 2005, Christoph Berg wrote: > > * Package name: texlive > > Description : The TeXlive system packaged for debian > > The website looks like that's a "live" tex CD. What's the difference > to a normal "apt-get install tetex-extra" installation on Debian? It is one the one hand a live dvd, but also one of the most complete TeX systems. There are several differences between tetex and texlive, especially wrt the granularity of packaging. See the discussion on tetex-maint ML which I had with Frank Küster, maintainer of tetex. In fact he asked me to file the ITP as we are working on this. Best wishes Norbert ------- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- VALLETTA (n.) On ornate head-dress or loose garment worn by a person in the belief that it renders then invisibly native and not like a tourist at all. People who don huge colonial straw collie hats with 'I Luv Lagos' on them in Nigeria, or fat solicitors from Tonbridge on holiday in Malaya who insist on appearing in the hotel lobby wearing a sarong know what we're on about. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: texlive Version : 2005.1 Upstream Author : TeXlive Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.tug.org/texlive * License : mixed, but all Debian conform Description : The TeXlive system packaged for debian TeX Live is an easy way to get up and running with TeX. It includes all major freely-available TeX-related programs, macro packages, and fonts, including support for many languages around the world. -- System Information Debian Release: 3.0 Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux gamma 2.4.28server #1 Fri Nov 19 09:27:34 CET 2004 i686 Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- FORDSix pints of bitter. And quickly please, the world's about to end. BARMAN Oh yes, sir? Nice weather for it. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running daemons without root access?
On Die, 07 Jun 2005, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > started after system start (and stopped before shutdown) without using > root access? crontab @reboot man 5 crontab Herzliche Grüße Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- MATCHING GREEN (adj.) (Of neckties.) Any colour which Nigel Rees rejects as unsuitable for his trousers or jacket. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?
On Fre, 11 Mär 2005, Jim Gettys wrote: > Note that while my opinion matches Keith Packard's (we'd like to see > xprint go away, but there are also dependencies on it), Roland Maintz So what is the recommended way for sarge (I myself use sid for my private stuff, but for our institutes diskless machines I am switching to sarge [woody is too much of a pain now])? Leave xprt-xprint out/delete it? Best wishes Norbert ------- Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- HARBLEDOWN (vb.) To manoeuvre a double mattress down a winding staircase. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is xprint still used by mozilla, etc?
On Fre, 11 Mär 2005, Drew Parsons wrote: > Xprint works perfectly fine out of the box. There are several bug reports, some of them I have contributed to, but I guess some of them are filed against mozilla and not xprint, which in fact was an error: 263558 and then there are some more problems about using Comic Sans instead of any reasonable sans font. and and and. So "out of the box" is an euphemism! Best wishes Norbert ------- Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- GASTARD (n.) Useful specially new-coined word for an illegitimate child (in order to distinguish it from someone who merely carves you up on the motorway, etc.) --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: ctapi-cyberjack-2.0.5mp - REINER SCT cyberJack pinpad/e-com USB chipcard reader driver
On Don, 24 Feb 2005, Alexander List wrote: > Package: ctapi-cyberjack > Version: 2.0.5mp Hi Alex! Good idea, but please send Reiner an email, I got 2.0.7 from them, so don't start wiht a old version! If you need a contact email, ask me by PM. If you need test dummys, here I am. After I have returned from Japan I can test the usb reader. Best wishes Norbert ------- Norbert Preining Università di Siena sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- WIKE (vb.) To rip a piece of sticky plaster off your skin as fast as possible in the hope that it will (a) show how brave you are, and (b) not hurt. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
On Die, 25 Jan 2005, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > The last question I have (for now): > > - How can I install binaries for non-Debian architectures-os > > combinations (win32, i386-solaris, ...) USING the pacakge management > > system? > > Is there a way at all -- or is there no way for this? > > The real problem is *building* these binaries for non-Debian systems. > Using only tools available in Debian. This, while theoretically > possible in some cases, is a pretty big pain in practice. Ok, so the solution is to go for a `double' way: - Package debian packages the debian way, ignoring other arch/os combinations. - Build some `non-standard' debian packages which have to be provided in a different way (our web server or something else) which put binaries into /src/-/... These packages would only be necessary for those who want to serve texlive to other arch/os combinations via nfs/smb? > And no, it's *not* a good idea to suggest just shipping pre-built > binaries in the source package. (I suppose a few of the "firmware in Ok, but for those quasi inofficial packages only necessary for those serving texlive we don't need source packages, just build the packages in some other way. Best wishes Norbert ------- Norbert Preining Technische Universität Wien sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- FORDTell me Arthur... ARTHUR Yes? FORDThis boulder we're stuck under, how big would you say it was? Roughly? ARTHUR Oh, about the size of Coventry Cathedral. FORDDo you think we could move it? (Arthur doesn't reply) Just asking. --- Ford and Arthur in a tricky situation, Fit the Eighth. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
Dear DDs, dear all! First of all, thanks for the many suggestions I will take into account. Let me sum up what: - I have to put the arch-independent stuff into /usr/share - I can put arch-dependent stuff for the `current' arch into /usr/lib Up to now this is clear for me. Now for the sharing of stuff. It was several times mentioned that Debian is not prepared for managing other arch stuff for serving in the sense that the package managing mechanisms are not circumvented. For other debian systems on other archs I can do the following: - I can install other arch packages into /srv//... with a forced root and share them via nfs Ok. So other debian clients are now happy. The last question I have (for now): - How can I install binaries for non-Debian architectures-os combinations (win32, i386-solaris, ...) USING the pacakge management system? Is there a way at all -- or is there no way for this? Best wishes Norbert --- Norbert Preining Technische Universität Wien sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- I teleported home one night With Ron and Sid and Meg. Ron stole Meggie's heart away And I got Sidney's leg. --- A poem about matter transference beams. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
Hi Frank! Good to hear from a debian and TeX master! On Die, 11 Jan 2005, Frank Küster wrote: > Have you read our draft "Debian teTeX policy"? It's at > http://people.debian.org/~frank/Debian-TeX-Policy/. I would be grateful > if you > > - would take this as a guideline and adhere to it > > - give us feedback and criticize what you think is not appropriate. Thanks, I will do it immediately. > > have arisen, the most prominent ATM is: > > Are there any facilities to put binaries of different architectures > > into debian packages? > > No. First of all, do you plan to include these packages into Debian > proper, or do you just want to provide *deb packages on your TeXLive CD? > In the first case, the rationale for the "No" is easy to give: > > A Debian package, in the first place, is a source package. Depending on > its contents, you can produce different *deb's from it, so-called-binary I understand this (I have packaged some debs already). You missunderstood the problem. I am speaking about the option to SHARE stuff via the network. > If you want a Debian machine to provide binaries for multiple > architectures on a networked drive, the way to go would probably to > create architecture-specific subdirectories below /srv (i.e. /srv/i386, > /srv/ia64, /srv/amd64 and so on), mount them on the respective machines > and do an ordinary apt-get install on one of them per architecture. Is this really an option? If I want to make a .deb which includes binaries, they should probably go to /usr/bin (or at least links from /usr/bin to /usr/lib/ I heard recently). If I put the binaries for each architecture into /srv/ I cannot decently share them between different archs/machines. See my other email about the proposal of double packages, one including the actual binaries in a package which also names arch-os, and one including only the needed links for the current arch. > > /usr/share/texlive/ > > This approach does not conform to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard for > Linux (http://www.pathname.com/fhs/). It might work, but I currently Well, may be, but OTOH, `share' somehow means something. I have to check th FHS, but if I want to share BINARY files, should they go to /usr/share or not? > don't understand how you want to organise your symlink farm in order to > allow the networked clients to use simple commands like "latex", not > "latex-i386". tl--bin-- packages installs into /usr/share/texlive/bin/-/ tl--bin package depends on the tl--bin-- for the INSTALLING architecture, and just creates symlinks to the above. This way all the files are found easily, since any binary (in texlive) checks the actual location of it, then searches for ../../texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf (and other pathes), which would go to /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf which is exactely what I want. > > This way sharing the texlive directory allows easy integration into > > other clients, and texlive won't interfere with tetex (if someone is so > > crazy to install both). > > I don't think that this is a good way to look at it. Either usage of > texlive will get very inconvenient: Type latex-texlive instead of latex, No, see above. > or create shell aliases; teach this to your Emacs/AUCTeX system, your > lyx or kyle or however these things are named, install fonts and same no. > packages manually that have previously been installed via the package > management system, and so on. Or if you try to make it convenient, you > *will* interfere with tetex. This is a completely different thing. I guess fo now we wont find a common denominator. But since (AFAIK!) TeXLive's texmf is a superset of tetex, this should not be a serious problem. > Therefore I'd suggest that these packages be proper Debian packages, and > that the teTex maintainers and you agree on a common set of > configuration options, basic behavior of binaries, etc, as outlined in > the Draft policy. Then in the future, packages can depend on something > like a virtual package "tex", which would be provided both by teTeX and > TeXLive. This is definitely a good idea! But first we have to get other things in order for us to know wether our approach is feasible at all. > I suggest that you subscribe to the debian-tetex-maint list (If you Will do it NOW. Best wishes Norbert --- Norbert Preining Technische Universität Wien sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- AMLWCH (n.) A British Rail sandwich which has been kept soft by being regularly washed and resealed in clingfilm. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
Dear all! On Mit, 12 Jan 2005, Nick Phillips wrote: > > > .../bin/-/ > > No, this is a violation of the FHS, which is included by reference in Debian > > policy. You would, at a minimum, have to use /usr/lib instead of > > /usr/share. > > But wasn't what he's trying to do the original purpose of /usr/share > anyway? (I don't mean in a Debian context, I mean in a general *nix > context) Yup. That was my intention. And, btw the clients are NOT ONLY debian systems, but windows, apple, ... > It's been so long since I've seen anyone bother to do things that way > that I can't remember exactly... We have diskless clients here, and probably we are not the only ones. Our diskless clients run debian, so we could install tetex packages. But we share the TeXlive tree (which is BIG) via NFS and use it on the server, all the diskless clients, and additionally on a windows machine. > > Even in that case, I don't think it's very consistent with Debian design > > philosophy to have a monolithic package including binaries for other > > architectures, which seems to be your intent. It certainly wouldn't be > > eligible for inclusion in Debian main in such a form. > > That would be more the point, I think. In fact we would have packages for every architecture tl-dvips-bin- which is available for ALL architectures and install into texlive/bin/arch-os/... and a package tl-dvips-bin with debian-way of architecture, which depends on the right package for each arch (ie tl-dvips-bin for i386 depends on tl-dvips-bin-i386-linux eg) and just provides the right links. This way a user installs tl-dvips-bin, which pulls the right binaries. And those admins who need other binaries for sharing could get the packages for other architectures. > the packages to all the different machines. With modern disks and > package management systems, the usefulness is usually rather diminished. NO no no no. Noise Noise Noise is the word. None of our staff will ever again accept a computer with a hard disk, a CPU fan and a graphics card fan. They want absolut (well more or less) silence, and we don't have the money for this glissy shiny stuff that makes more or less silence with normal pc. Bottom line: I still think that it would be a good idea to be able to install different architectures within debian. Has this never been discussed before??? Best wishes Norbert --- Norbert Preining Technische Universität Wien sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- CRAIL (n. mineral) Crail is a common kind of rock or gravel found widely across the British Isles. Each individual stone (due to an as yet undiscovered gravitational property) is charged with 'negative buoyancy'. This means that no matter how much crail you remove from the garden, more of it will rise to the surface. Crail is much employed by the Royal Navy for making the paperweights and ashtrays used inside submarines. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
binaries for different architectures in debian packages
Dear DDs! [Please Cc me] I am one of the contributers to the TeXlive project and we are in the process of packaging texlive as debian packages. Herein some questions have arisen, the most prominent ATM is: Are there any facilities to put binaries of different architectures into debian packages? Background: TeXlive is compiled for several different arch/os combinations, while the data (texmf trees) can be shared between all of them. We want the user to allow the exporting of the texlive directory (via nfs and/or smb) and other clients to use texlive straight ahead. ATM we have binaries for alpha-linux, i386-freebsd4.10, i386-freebsd5.0, i386-linux, mips-irix6.5, powerpc-aix4.3.3.0, powerpc-darwin6.8, sparc-solaris2.7, sparc64-linux, win32 and x86_64-linux. Best would be (if this is allowed according to the policy) to put everything under /usr/share/texlive/ where there are .../bin/-/ .../texmf (trees, various) .../man and put symlinks from /usr/bin/xyz to /usr/share/texlive/bin/-/xyz. This way sharing the texlive directory allows easy integration into other clients, and texlive won't interfere with tetex (if someone is so crazy to install both). If someone on this list is interested I can communicate more details, and in fact I would be grateful to hear comments and receive some help in the design discussions. [Please Cc me] Thanks a lot and all the best Norbert --- Norbert Preining Technische Universität Wien sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BISHOP'S CAUNDLE An opening gambit before a game of chess whereby the missing pieces are replaced by small ornaments from the mantelpiece. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
