Idea for apt-get : getting source code instead getting binaries
Hello! I've an idea for a new apt-get package style : Developer side : -The developer create a ./install script in the source code. -The install script executes all commands necessary for install the software. Also, it getting dependancies, etc. -The developer create a tarball (.tar.bzip2) and rename the file name. Instead of software.tar.bzip2 , that's software.deb -The developer distribute the software.deb Apt-get side : -The apt-get tool download software.deb from the Debian repository. -The program is installed with dpkg Dpkg side : -dpkg rename the software.deb software.tar.bzip2 -tar uncompress the software.tar.bzip2 -cd go into the software folder -./install execute install script -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/77f6194c-04df-4e3d-ad74-2a3f55520...@me.com
Re: contrib and nonfree distribs
Le 3 mars 2014 à 13:59, forum::für::umläute zmoel...@umlaeute.mur.at a écrit : assuming for a second that you are not trolling, On 2014-02-28 12:56, Solal Rastier wrote: Further proof that Debian is proprietary software... hmm. but since both contrib and non-free are not part of Debian, how does the existence of these sections lead to the conclusion that Debian is proprietary. another random example: the existence of ubuntu does not mean, that Debian is (say) owned by canonical. fgsdfm IOhannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53147ca0.1070...@umlaeute.mur.at The installer recommend contrib and nonfree... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/143de185-efa2-491f-ae20-404e83cdd...@me.com
contrib and nonfree distribs
Why the nonfree and contrib distributions aren't removed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/db2f0f4e-6f63-4246-a1cd-7a509f378...@me.com
Re: contrib and nonfree distribs
Further proof that Debian is proprietary software... Le 28 févr. 2014 à 12:46, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be a écrit : Op vrijdag 28 februari 2014 12:42:39 schreef u: The FSF believe documentation need to be free, and that's true... It is true that it needs to be free, but their license just isn't free: https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 -- This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today. -- http://xkcd.com/1133/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4e9bee82-8ef2-4c11-80fc-9a7d55746...@me.com
Re: contrib and nonfree distribs
1. I'm not a troll 2. What is top-post? 3. Why I need stop? Le 28 févr. 2014 à 13:10, Thibaut Paumard thib...@debian.org a écrit : Le 28/02/2014 12:56, Solal Rastier a écrit : Further proof that Debian is proprietary software... I applause this almost inconspicuous troll attempt. Please don't top-post. http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Regards. PS: full stop. Le 28 févr. 2014 à 12:46, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be a écrit : Op vrijdag 28 februari 2014 12:42:39 schreef u: The FSF believe documentation need to be free, and that's true... It is true that it needs to be free, but their license just isn't free: https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 -- This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today. -- http://xkcd.com/1133/
Re: contrib and nonfree distribs
That's not an answer. For users, that doesn't change anything. Le 28 févr. 2014 à 15:20, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org a écrit : Solal Rastier, le Fri 28 Feb 2014 12:56:00 +0100, a écrit : Further proof that Debian is proprietary software... contrib and non-free are not part of Debian releases. Really, read about GR etc. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/aea50c09-f7b6-4bc3-821b-88ce3875e...@me.com
Re: contrib and nonfree distribs
I not compare Debian with Windows. The FSF publishes a GNU/Linux freedom indicator. Debian is proprietary, sorry. Le 28 févr. 2014 à 18:24, Octavio Alvarez alvar...@alvarezp.ods.org a écrit : On 02/28/2014 05:18 AM, Solal Rastier wrote: 1. I'm not a troll 2. What is top-post? 3. Why I need stop? Hi, Solal. I'm not a Debian Developer, just a user, but let me take an attempt to explain what happened, and please don't take this the wrong way. I'll address each part of the issue without sugar-coating anything. Please don't take it the wrong way. Debian is not proprietary or closed software. There is a lot of effort put by the whole Debian team in making sure licenses are not violated while keeping software fully free, always. If you knew Debian just a little bit you would know this. However, you said: Further proof that Debian is proprietary software.. Where did that come from? Initially you asked why were not the other areas removed, which is a valid question despite having no context at all, and suddenly there is an accusation? Are you seriously comparing Debian with Windows? You see, if you want to prove a point you get your facts straight first. If you want to get answers you use questions, not accusations or false statements. Just by this alone, you fit the troll profile: a person that just comes in to raise useless discussion with no beneficial outcome, not even for himself, even more if it's accusation-based. About top-posting: in the message from Thibaut you were given a link regarding top-posting. You ignored it (proved by the fact that you are now asking what it is instead of having it read). You may have not seen it of found it too long, but you didn't even Google for it (you would have found at least a Wikipedia article about this with a more friendly explanation). You just don't care to do your part of the job. Now, to your question: Packages in the other archive areas (contrib, non-free) are not considered to be part of the Debian distribution... [1]. First match in Google for debian main contrib non-free. ... we also provide packages in separate sections that cannot be included in the main distribution due to either a restrictive license or legal issues. They include: [explanation continues]... [2]. Second match in the same Google search. [1] https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html [2] https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages This should *at least* make it clear that contrib *is* open and free, what the sections are, and what they are for. Imagine a program that is GPL but includes images that are redistributable but not modifiable, the images go into non-free. There is not a license violation and it doesn't make the program proprietary, much less the whole Debian. Now, my question to you is: how does the non-free and contrib areas make the whole project proprietary, considering that those are not even part of the Debian project? And how does that prove --using your words-- it? Finally, you just replied with: That's not an answer. For users, that doesn't change anything. Again, trolling. Now you are *demanding* a good answer despite not asking a good question. We are not mind readers. You should *really* look for and read and take the time to ask. Explain what your doubt is and provide the relevant context to your question. You'll get a reply as useful as your question. A vague question will give you a vague answer at best. An accusive question will get you an accusive answer at best. (Personally, I didn't even understand your reply: if that is not an answer, and you were already given other answers, that *what* is an answer for you? For *what* users, that doesn't change anything? *What* do users want to have changed? I only perceive a defense for who-knows-what in your reply.) Anyway, my two cents. All help and questions are welcome, but some are useful than others. Just don't get defensive and do your part of the job. Remember that people are volunteers and they work on Debian mostly on their free time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/544bef2c-c875-4ee5-87ed-948eb4d36...@me.com
Re: contrib and nonfree distribs
Le 28 févr. 2014 à 19:22, Octavio Alvarez alvar...@alvarezp.ods.org a écrit : On 02/28/2014 09:29 AM, Solal Rastier wrote: I not compare Debian with Windows. The FSF publishes a GNU/Linux freedom indicator. Debian is proprietary, sorry. Ah! The FSF website [1] says otherwise. The FSF website acknowledges Debian as Free Software as in conscientiously keeps nonfree software out of the official Debian system, but it does not endorse it (by the title of the Web page). [1] https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html See? Get your facts straight. It's not the same not to endorse than to it is proprietary. Also, non-free is not the same as proprietary. Windows is not even in the list because it *is* proprietary, flat. By stating Debian is proprietary you are, in fact, comparing Debian licensing with Windows licensing. You are saying that Debian is as proprietary as Windows. Again, get your facts straight or nobody will care. And please (and this has nothing to do with Free or Open-Source Software at all), next time, if I reply off-list to have a private conversation, please be respectful and keep my response off-list. Finally, you still top-posted. Do you even understand what that is, at least? Do you accept now that you behaved like a troll? My mail client top-posting automtically. I don't compare Windows and Debian. Windows is proprietariest than Debian, but Debian isn't 100% free. Now, think about the utility of contrib and nonfree. We must create free replacements to proprietary, not put proprietary in Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/6e00bfce-0973-4a8b-ac63-6ff7a8cd6...@me.com
