Re: Bug#811275: ITP: uclibc-ng -- uClibc-ng is an implementation of the standard C library that is much smaller than glibc, which makes it useful for embedded systems.
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Glaser wrote, > On Mon, 18 Jan 2016, Waldemar Brodkorb wrote: > > > From a good friend I would expect some more positive feedback > > for my hobby project ;) > > I said, it has its niche, but I doubt it has a place > as a generic Debian package… libraries are generally > only packaged when something uses them, and C libra‐ > ries are hard. May be you didn't know the reason for the package. I'll try to use it for rebootstrap to build a complete Debian system based on uClibc-ng. So then "something" or even "everything" will use it ;) You can help doing some review of the package: http://downloads.uclibc-ng.org/debian/ best regards Waldemar
Re: Bug#811275: ITP: uclibc-ng -- uClibc-ng is an implementation of the standard C library that is much smaller than glibc, which makes it useful for embedded systems.
Hi,
Thorsten Glaser wrote,
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016, Waldemar Brodkorb wrote:
>
> > It is a try to build a Debian system with an alternative C library
>
> That would require a new dpkg architecture and other changes,
> e.g. you could build for linuxuclibc-i386 instead of linux-i386.
>
> The avr32 people tried to make a µClibc-based Debian port and
> eventually failed, because the whole OS is much too dependent
> on glibc and GNUisms, and because of the quality…
>
> The other libc ports (Debian/{free,net}bsd (as opposed to
> Debian/kFreeBSD), the Interix port, the Minix port, etc.)
> also mostly failed – sure, there are or were demonstrations,
> but the limitations prevented them from ever taking off.
>
> > > Full disclosure: I do have commits in µClibc-ng.
> >
> > So you can further help to get stuff going ;)
>
> I’ve already told you I’d prefer to see it die, and the only
> thing preventing that is nommu support in more sane libcs.
>From a good friend I would expect some more positive feedback
for my hobby project ;)
May be you should start to contact Rob Landley, he also wants
to see uClibc/uClibc-ng die. You could start a new project together,
how to kill uClibc/uClibc-ng project. What do you think about it? SCNR.
best regards
Waldemar
Re: Bug#811275: ITP: uclibc-ng -- uClibc-ng is an implementation of the standard C library that is much smaller than glibc, which makes it useful for embedded systems.
Hi, Thorsten Glaser wrote, > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, Waldemar Brodkorb wrote: > > > uClibc-ng is a small C library for developing embedded Linux systems. It is > > much smaller than the GNU C Library, but nearly all applications supported > > by > > glibc also work perfectly with uClibc-ng. > > How is that relevant for a binary distribution in which nothing will > use this package? For cross-compiling, you only need the source code > available. Also, µClibc is of so bad quality that, on MMU targets, > musl is in all cases the better alternative. It is a try to build a Debian system with an alternative C library as Musl or uClibc-ng. More users of uClibc-ng will allow to get the quality better. There is still no support for M68k, MIPS64, ARC or Xtensa. Why not allowing a small Debian distro maybe without systemd to exist? > Full disclosure: I do have commits in µClibc-ng. So you can further help to get stuff going ;) best regards Waldemar
Bug#811275: ITP: uclibc-ng -- uClibc-ng is an implementation of the standard C library that is much smaller than glibc, which makes it useful for embedded systems.
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Waldemar Brodkorb * Package name: uclibc-ng Version : 1.0.11 Upstream Author : Waldemar Brodkorb * URL : http://www.uclibc-ng.org/ * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C Description : uClibc-ng is an implementation of the standard C library that is much smaller than glibc, which makes it useful for embedded systems. uClibc-ng is a small C library for developing embedded Linux systems. It is much smaller than the GNU C Library, but nearly all applications supported by glibc also work perfectly with uClibc-ng. uClibc-ng is a spin-off of uClibc (from Erik Andersen) from http://www.uclibc.org.
