Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-03 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:46:02PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Mikael Hedin wrote:
> > Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > >  - the Norwegian and Swedish keymap (relative to US layout: <4>)
> > 
> > All my keyboards (swedish) have it on AltGr + e.  Shift + 4 is still
> > the ?-symbol (currency).
> 
> Excuse my ignorance but I have no keys labelled AltGr. Which is it?

The right alt key.

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Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:50:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:

> If there *are* playable levels available for quake2 (which need
> nothing in the way of non-free game data) then of course it belongs
> (along with those levels) in main.

Uhm, guys.

You need much more then just free maps, you also need replacement fonts
and other graphics. (Stuff used for the console, the menu, the in game
HUD, and a few other things.)

Replacements for those are unlikely to exist now, and will take a while
to generate.

In short, the source is definitely contrib for now, maybe in a few
months to a year that might change, maybe not.

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Re: gpm and X problem investigated

2000-09-09 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
Here we go again.

On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:10:32PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > As the gpm maintainer I will try and stay polite and explain some
> > things.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 07:46:51PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > > I had the same problems when using the new defaults (-R ms3 and
> > > Intellimouse on /dev/gpmdata).
> > 
> > Can you please give specifics?
> 
> Yes. I have an old serial mousesystems on ttyS0. I configured gpm (1.17.8-18)
> with:
> 
> device=/dev/ttyS0
> responsiveness=20
> repeat_type=ms3
> type=msc
> append=""
> 
> the X sever (xserver-svga 3.3.6-10) with:
> 
> Section "Pointer"
> Protocol"intellimouse"
> Device  "/dev/gpmdata"
> EndSection
> 
> and set the mouse acceleration in .xsession with:
> 
> xset m 1 1
> 
> With these settings the mouse works but it has a very annoying "deceleration"
> effect on the X cursor: when moving the mouse slowly the cursor has a normal
> speed but when moving it faster the cursor moves very slowly. Under console
> the mouse behaves normally. Using a mouse with this behavior makes you sick
> so I had to configure gpm and X with the default msc repeater type.

Have you tried it without the xset?
This is definitely a X acceleration error, nothing to do with gpm.
> 
> > > Another nasty thing is that if you use the task-selection interface gpm
> > > is not installed by default and there is no way to add it manually to the
> > > package list.
> > 
> > Eww, I will have to get that corrected.
> 
> gpm should be installed by default or even better be included in the base
> system.

Perhaps, there are arguments both ways.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Repeating in /ANY/ protocol except ms3/IntelliMouse is NOT an option, it
> > will not work with X4, the ONLY protocol which will work for gpm
> > repeating to X4 is ms3/IntelliMouse.
> 
> This seems not correct. I have never tried X4 but other users reported that
> msc on gpmdata works fine also with X4.
> 
> Anyway if msc and other protocols didn't work with gpmdata I would consider
> this a severe bug of X4 which should be fixed as soon as possible.

File a bug against X4 then, but don't count on it being handled anytime
soon, and I don't feel like rewriting gpm to use something other then
fifos to communicate for repeating.
> 
> > Raw is just screaming loudly for it to break, msc no longer works and
> > does not support the features of newer mice, there is exactly one
> > option, ms3/IntelliMouse.
> > 
> > Further having X and gpm try to coexist without repeating is also a
> > non-option, on some systems it breaks badly.
> > 
> > Thus, we have three possible choices.
> > 
> > 1: gpm installed without X, no problems.
> > 
> > 2: X installed without gpm, no mouse under console, but otherwise no
> > problems.
> > 
> > 3: gpm and X installed with gpm repeating to X in the ms3/IntelliMouse
> > protocol.
> > 
> > There are no other options, these are the only configurations which will
> > work on all systems.
> 
> As I explained before this doesn't work on my system, so I suggest:
> 
> 4: gpm and X installed with gpm repeating to X in the msc/MouseSystems
> protocol.

For values of 'doesn't work' which equals misset set X accel settings.

MouseSystems/msc also drops info for mouse with little features like the
wheel, and X4 attempts to speak to the mouse in said protocol.

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Re: gpm and X problem investigated

2000-09-03 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
As the gpm maintainer I will try and stay polite and explain some
things.


On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 07:46:51PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> I had the same problems when using the new defaults (-R ms3 and
> Intellimouse on /dev/gpmdata).

Can you please give specifics?
> 
> Another nasty thing is that if you use the task-selection interface gpm
> is not installed by default and there is no way to add it manually to the
> package list.

Eww, I will have to get that corrected.



Repeating in /ANY/ protocol except ms3/IntelliMouse is NOT an option, it
will not work with X4, the ONLY protocol which will work for gpm
repeating to X4 is ms3/IntelliMouse.

Raw is just screaming loudly for it to break, msc no longer works and
does not support the features of newer mice, there is exactly one
option, ms3/IntelliMouse.

Further having X and gpm try to coexist without repeating is also a
non-option, on some systems it breaks badly.

Thus, we have three possible choices.

1: gpm installed without X, no problems.

2: X installed without gpm, no mouse under console, but otherwise no
problems.

3: gpm and X installed with gpm repeating to X in the ms3/IntelliMouse
protocol.

There are no other options, these are the only configurations which will
work on all systems.

Zephaniah E. Hull.
(gpm maintainer)
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Re: correct apt deb line for non-us?

1999-05-21 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
This is my non-us section for apt, every now and then I use netselect to
find the best site..

Copy the 'SITE' one and edit to add more, conan.eecg.toronto.edu is good
for me as I'm in the US..

Zephaniah E. Hull.


# netselect conan.eecg.toronto.edu pandora.debian.org ftp.jp.debian.org 
ftp.au.debian.org ftp.at.debian.org ftp.questnet.net.au

#deb http://SITE/debian-non-US hamm/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://SITE/debian-non-US slink/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://SITE/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free

#deb http://conan.eecg.toronto.edu/debian-non-US hamm/non-US main contrib 
non-free
#deb http://conan.eecg.toronto.edu/debian-non-US slink/non-US main contrib 
non-free
deb http://conan.eecg.toronto.edu/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib 
non-free

#deb http://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US hamm/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US slink/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian-non-US hamm/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian-non-US slink/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free

#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian-non-US hamm/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian-non-US slink/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free

#deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-non-US hamm/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-non-US slink/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free

#deb http://ftp.questnet.net.au/debian-non-US hamm/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://ftp.questnet.net.au/debian-non-US slink/non-US main contrib 
non-free#deb http://ftp.questnet.net.au/debian-non-US potato/non-US main 
contrib non-free


On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:55:19AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> Is it currently possible to access the unstable non-US section with
> apt-get? Or is the reorganisation not finished? Currently neither of
> the following lines work:
> 
> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable non-US
> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian unstable non-US
> 
> deb ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/debian unstable non-US
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Re: Intent to package: device3dfx

1999-05-19 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
One other problem, it needs big warnings, anyone with access to the
device can crash the machine no problem...

Its vaguely possible that it could also allow more, however I've never
seen anyone mention such..

Zephaniah E. Hull..

On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 09:04:18PM +0100, Steve Haslam wrote:
> Hi people,
> 
> device3dfx is a kernel module to allow user-space applications (quake
> :}) access to 3Dfx cards without needing to be run as root.
> 
> This package consists *only* of a GPL'd kernel module. As such it can
> IMHO go into main. It could be argued that you can only use it via the
> Glide libraries, which aren't free at all, and it should therefore go
> into contrib. This point may need discussion.
> 
> Notes:
> 
> /dev/3dfx -- needs to be created. If this package is accepted, support
> for it should go into MAKEDEV, as opposed to doing a mknod in the
> postinst (which lintian complains about).
> 
> The packaging is based on pcmcia-cs, and I hope it will work with
> make-kpkg in the same way. I don't use make-kpkg, so I haven't
> *really* checked, but "debian/rules kdist" seems to do the right
> thing.
> 
> device3dfx, the source package, comes with one binary package,
> device3dfx-source. This consists of docs and
> /usr/src/device3dfx.tar.gz, which then extracts to
> /usr/src/modules/device3dfx/..., which seems right. It can be used to
> generate device3dfx-modules-* packages.
> 
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Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-18 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 11:43:36PM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote:

> I hereby officially propose that the education of Mister Leibovitch begins
> with a sound *THWAPPING* upside the head using a hard-copy of both the GNU
> Manifesto and the GNU GPL, and done in tandem by two very large and well
> muscled men and/or women? That's much more appropriate. :)

Officially seconded.. <=:]

Zephaniah E. Hull.
> 
> -prj

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Re: ITP: netled

1999-05-15 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Sat, May 15, 1999 at 05:00:20PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote:
> On 14 May 1999, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> I found tleds not all that easy to use, and I only had to type `make` and
> `./netleds console ppp0 &` and it is still running, even after a
> disconnect or two...
> 
> But, I will have another look at tleds, to see if it is worth me packaging
> netleds.

Please take a look at the one which I just uploaded, I'm all for two
competing programs on this front.. (tleds has been on the same 'beta'
for quite a while, though for the most part it works well)

Note the config file and the just added call to deallocvt, which works
quite nicely..

Zephaniah E. Hull..
(The tleds maintainer)
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Re: Release Plans (1999-05-10)

1999-05-13 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
Sorry it took me so long to reply, life decided to give me my yearly
supply of 'fun' in a small amount of time, and I had deleted the
message I was replying to..

I'm also sorry about how I jumped, I over reacted a bit, as I said, this
has been a very interesting week...

On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 07:51:31AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:12:55PM -0400, Zephaniah E. Hull écrivait:
> > I highly question your ability to fill this role as it is quite clear
> > that you have not been following the perl5.005 stuff, specificly the
> > debian-perl list and the massages on -devel before -perl existed about
> > how to attack it..
> 
> I've read everything, I'm subscribed to -perl. I know that Darren is
> working hard on the perl package.
> 
> What do you have against me ? I'm ready for helping and you criticize
> me. If you want to do the job, it's ok for me. 
> 
> > The current plan cleanly addresses the case of things ending up broken,
> > and the perl maintainer is a bit busy but spending his time working on
> > it instead of jumping up every thread where incorrect info is mentioned.
> 
> What was wrong in the message you're replying to ?

Specificly the path issues and the mention of the bug reports..

(From the message I replied to in the first place)
> Many of them were only paths problems (that may not appear with the
> official perl5.005 package). And I've already filled some bugs against
> netbase and netstd so that the packages do not break when perl5.005 is
> uploaded.

This gives the impression that you are quite unaware that perl5.005
should have little to no effect on ANY packages which are currently in
use, as perl5.004 will continue to be used by things..

(There are a few minor issues which still need to be worked out, for
instance perl-base and deciding which perl will become essential,
however the basic upgrade path is that NOTHING breaks as perl5.004
continues to be used by things)


As far as the coordinator position, I don't think I'm up to keeping
track of everything, but I would definitely like to stay just a little
off to the side of the middle...

Once again, sorry for snapping at you, hopefully I'll still be living
here tomorrow, and be in a state to do anything. (Don't ask, unless
you really want a nice long rant about things)

Zephaniah E. Hull..
> 
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Re: Splitting debian-devel-changes to separate lists

1999-05-13 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 07:36:27PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote:
> On Wed, 12 May, 1999, Bart Warmerdam wrote:
> > 
> >   Hi,
> > 
> >   The topic to split debian-devel-changes in a -$ARCH and -sources
> >   list was proposed a while ago. What happened to it and what are
> >   the sentiments on splitting it?? I think it's quite high volume
> >   because most lists aren't intresting to me, but some are.
> 
> seconded

Also seconded, but I think this should be on -policy as (IIRC) the lists
are mentioned in policy..

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Re: Release Plans (1999-05-10)

1999-05-10 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
I'm sorry about the tone, but I'm getting very sick of repeating myself
over and over.

On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 08:26:19PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:

> I've been working with the previous perl5.005 package (the one that had
> been uploaded to slink and retracted after) and I did not have many 
> problems. Many of them were only paths problems (that may not appear with the
> official perl5.005 package). And I've already filled
> some bugs against netbase and netstd so that the packages do not break
> when perl5.005 is uploaded. Some other packages may need little changes
> but that would not be a problem.

> 
> I'll propose myself as coordinator for the perl5.005 upgrade (you did explain
> that you wanted a coordinator for each release goal).

I highly question your ability to fill this role as it is quite clear
that you have not been following the perl5.005 stuff, specificly the
debian-perl list and the massages on -devel before -perl existed about
how to attack it..

The current plan cleanly addresses the case of things ending up broken,
and the perl maintainer is a bit busy but spending his time working on
it instead of jumping up every thread where incorrect info is mentioned.

You may still be someone who could handle it, but PLEASE read the
archives first?

Zephaniah E. Hull..


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Freeze stuff, summary.. (perl 5.005, etc)

1999-05-10 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
I'm seeing a few rather vocal people who really just want to release
ASAP for whatever reason, most are willing to wait to get stable, but
they still 'just want to get it out'...

I'm also seeing a lot of FUD being spread about perl5.005, guys, we
/HAVE/ a plan, the maintainer is busy working on it instead of getting
in long debates, which is a good thing, for specifics please see the
-devel and -perl archives..

As far as I can see, we simply are not ready to freeze, we have many
many 'little' and 'big' things working quietly to get things done for
potato, we have a good number of people working on IPv6, BenC and a few
others on PAM, others on perl5.005, Overfiend and friends working on
things for X, and many other things which I have not been keeping a eye
on...

Give it time, glibc2.1 is still not entirely stable (I think, someone
hit me over the head hard if its fully stable, espy please), and we have
many things cooking which will be very very nice when they are ready..

Zephaniah E. Hull..
(AKA Mercury)

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Re: Perl 5.005 in potato

1999-05-09 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 09:22:49AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:

> I'm still convinced that the reason slink's freeze took so long is that
> some major packages were uploaded just prior to it, because they
> "needed" to be in. Just like people want to do with perl...

No, thats /not/ what we (Though I only speak for myself) are trying to
say, thats what the people who really just want to 'get it out' well
trying to keep people happy..

IMHO we should not freeze until we have a number of things working,
including fully functional boot disks, a cdrom generation setup, etc..

At the moment our release method is slow, we have tried simple ways to
speed things up, and it went even longer..

The really painful part is the freeze, we can get that shorter by being
ready BEFORE we freeze, I'd personally suggest a /voluntary/ 'no major
upload' time before the official freeze..

But we are going to have a long release cycle no matter what we do on
/this/ run, and probably the next one, so instead of waiting twice as
long (give or take a little), we get potato up to date, stable, then
release..

Probably not the best answer, but better then delaying perl 5.005 which
was promised to be in potato until woody..

Zephaniah E. Hull..
(AKA Mercury)

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Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:14:15AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote:

> I brought this up on IRC, and got the following suggestions:
> 
> 1.  Dragon (well-liked choice on IRC)
> 2.  Octopus (my own suggestion)
> 3.  Monkey
> 4.  Ant
> 5.  Bee
> 
> Personally, I think octopi are really cute, they're smart (for
> invertebrae), and I kind of like the symbolism of many arms working
> together as part of a whole, but perhaps I'm a little crazy.  :-)

Yes, that you are..

I say we should go for a nice feline, perhaps a tiger cub?

Then again, I'm quite insane.. <=:]

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Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-25 Thread Zephaniah E, Hull
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 11:43:33PM -0500, Avery Pennarun wrote:
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> My answer to exercise 1:  since you have quoted text, rule (2) says you must
> not comply with rule (6), but rule (3) says you must comply with all even
> rules (including, presumably, 6).  This seems to imply that no message
> containing quotations would be allowed.

Ahh, but rule (3) does not require us to follow rule (3), as such we do
not have to comply with rule (6)...

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Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-25 Thread Zephaniah E, Hull
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 07:52:34PM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote:

> Depends on the cat :-)

Mrowl?

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Re: Your Stealth Mail Bomber

1999-01-19 Thread Zephaniah E, Hull
Well, I think its time that we start trying to truly enforce our spam
policy...

On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:56:40AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 90 days for a complete refund. On that basis, I have enclosed $20.00 .
> (Total $20.00 U.S.)

Hmm, thats a start, but I don't see the money..


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