Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 08:55:31AM +0200, Joël Krähemann wrote:
On gum, 2014-09-26 at 11:28 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
I noticed that you appear to be filing several RC bugs against packages
which use /bin/bash shebangs in their scripts.
These bugs are *not* RC. The packages themselves do not have security
issues. The interpreter they choose to use {may,does}, but that is not a
bug in grep, xz-utils or gzip.
You should also know by now that mass bug filing without prior
discussion is discouraged, regardless of the severity.
Finally, the rationale presented for the bugs - against the debian
policy to use /bin/sh if possible - is bogus. Debian Policy makes no
such requirement or even suggestion. It spells out what functionality
scripts using /bin/sh may rely on, it in no way implies that other
shells may not be used if appropriate shebangs and dependencies are in
place.
I don't know what you're doing. Since I use bash I'm scared about this
news. But doesn't the Unix specification explain how to reset terminals?
The quoted mail has nothing to do with terminals; and, regardless of any
movement to cut down on the use of bash scripts in Debian itself, you'll
of course still be able to use bash for your own purposes.
Have you ever read this sentence: Read the fucking manual.
There is no need for this on Debian mailing lists. Please keep things
civil and respectful.
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Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
On gum, 2014-09-26 at 11:28 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that you appear to be filing several RC bugs against packages
which use /bin/bash shebangs in their scripts.
These bugs are *not* RC. The packages themselves do not have security
issues. The interpreter they choose to use {may,does}, but that is not a
bug in grep, xz-utils or gzip.
You should also know by now that mass bug filing without prior
discussion is discouraged, regardless of the severity.
Finally, the rationale presented for the bugs - against the debian
policy to use /bin/sh if possible - is bogus. Debian Policy makes no
such requirement or even suggestion. It spells out what functionality
scripts using /bin/sh may rely on, it in no way implies that other
shells may not be used if appropriate shebangs and dependencies are in
place.
Regards,
Adam
I don't know what you're doing. Since I use bash I'm scared about this
news. But doesn't the Unix specification explain how to reset terminals?
Have you ever read this sentence: Read the fucking manual.
If you have the manual could you send me a link to it? It's a kind of
already seen something like this years ago.
kind regards
Joël
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Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
On Freitag, 26. September 2014, Jakub Wilk wrote: I was once accused of doing an unannounced MBF after filing a single bug. : It's not necessarily the bug volume that triggers anti-MBF defence mechanisms in developers. lol / wow! /me giggles signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Mass do not use bash bug filing
Hi,
I noticed that you appear to be filing several RC bugs against packages
which use /bin/bash shebangs in their scripts.
These bugs are *not* RC. The packages themselves do not have security
issues. The interpreter they choose to use {may,does}, but that is not a
bug in grep, xz-utils or gzip.
You should also know by now that mass bug filing without prior
discussion is discouraged, regardless of the severity.
Finally, the rationale presented for the bugs - against the debian
policy to use /bin/sh if possible - is bogus. Debian Policy makes no
such requirement or even suggestion. It spells out what functionality
scripts using /bin/sh may rely on, it in no way implies that other
shells may not be used if appropriate shebangs and dependencies are in
place.
Regards,
Adam
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Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
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Hi,
Am Fr den 26. Sep 2014 um 11:28 schrieb Adam D. Barratt:
I noticed that you appear to be filing several RC bugs against packages
which use /bin/bash shebangs in their scripts.
Only against that 3 tools that most likely are also used from network
systems like web tools or so.
These bugs are *not* RC. The packages themselves do not have security
issues. The interpreter they choose to use {may,does}, but that is not a
bug in grep, xz-utils or gzip.
I have no problem if the severity gets lowered. Therefor I added a
paragraph that explains my decision.
You should also know by now that mass bug filing without prior
discussion is discouraged, regardless of the severity.
I don't think that 3 bugs are mass bug filling. I manually checked
where such a bug report is needed.
Finally, the rationale presented for the bugs - against the debian
policy to use /bin/sh if possible - is bogus. Debian Policy makes no
such requirement or even suggestion. It spells out what functionality
scripts using /bin/sh may rely on, it in no way implies that other
shells may not be used if appropriate shebangs and dependencies are in
place.
Exactly that I wanted to say, that it is a recommendation to use
/bin/sh.
Regards
Klaus
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Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 11:36 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Am Fr den 26. Sep 2014 um 11:28 schrieb Adam D. Barratt: I noticed that you appear to be filing several RC bugs against packages which use /bin/bash shebangs in their scripts. Only against that 3 tools that most likely are also used from network systems like web tools or so. [...] You should also know by now that mass bug filing without prior discussion is discouraged, regardless of the severity. I don't think that 3 bugs are mass bug filling. I manually checked where such a bug report is needed. There were three bugs within 20 minutes or so; I assumed that more were coming. If that's not the case, then great. :-) Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1411729556.1994.11.ca...@jacala.jungle.funky-badger.org
Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 26. Sep 2014 um 12:05 schrieb Adam D. Barratt: I don't think that 3 bugs are mass bug filling. I manually checked where such a bug report is needed. There were three bugs within 20 minutes or so; I assumed that more were coming. If that's not the case, then great. :-) You are welcome. :-) Thanks for watching. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen kl...@ethgen.de Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJUJUkKAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasi8cL/itavi/l7o75Uc0hLGKzio3g y03TAPhgnxGyBWsEjmbRgmhCFDp6JjNfUD7MAg5moxPE8YNWBWix0o8k+3fDxepy 5c5yBMuRY0jbifL5HDxnsDq69VGVZrkVK89q1U6lvmVPUzZ2BF0hoO8GI7V1wLB6 4inDY2nfKwSZ+QjFQ9nGGDtI4T33mwOTY1ZKUWUVYaH50uPGdVABgFM6re1gIhgc RUHfCcxTVKnBL5N4jcru8hhQv1iYVyiXVrXjrbQtm81pCtB4X+ywzwgPVDfP3+8C tS5vv4K8qB5vk5u8ufio5iY1ZRLddOlt7gnC5ykjiNxgct3pzhfrGUxfVTzFFE6Y VUSZqmrHuXOmtBmfMfi9Yntx8pB7vKFaEwsfNN8123khnmWZpm+1QeWv69ke3JJJ coxhzl3OrgwEkM+bTOMhiqIQGkBl4IVABCI9skXrAPh8CUwlr5TKmFiGY+Bk02Nq tSxk8KghmbKe9lc2ThExAeOgO6+ONfRXJdaCDBDDkQ== =MMKF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140926110754.ga22...@ikki.ethgen.ch
Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
* Klaus Ethgen kl...@ethgen.de, 2014-09-26, 11:36: I don't think that 3 bugs are mass bug filling. I manually checked where such a bug report is needed. I was once accused of doing an unannounced MBF after filing a single bug. : It's not necessarily the bug volume that triggers anti-MBF defence mechanisms in developers. -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140926113757.ga4...@jwilk.net
Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Klaus Ethgen wrote: bug in grep, xz-utils or gzip. Only against that 3 tools that most likely are also used from network For what it’s worth, OpenBSD/MirBSD have BSD-licenced implementations of tools like zgrep, zless, etc. that can be used (with s/gzip/xz/g) for xz as well. I’ve never understood why xz upstream did not merge these. bye, //mirabilos -- «MyISAM tables -will- get corrupted eventually. This is a fact of life. » “mysql is about as much database as ms access” – “MSSQL at least descends from a database” “it's a rebranded SyBase” “MySQL however was born from a flatfile and went downhill from there” – “at least jetDB doesn’t claim to be a database” ‣‣‣ Please, http://deb.li/mysql and MariaDB, finally die! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.11.1409261438350.3...@tglase.lan.tarent.de
Re: Mass do not use bash bug filing
On 09/26/2014 02:39 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: For what it’s worth, OpenBSD/MirBSD have BSD-licenced implementations of tools like zgrep, zless, etc. that can be used (with s/gzip/xz/g) for xz as well. these utilities should not be in any compressor specific package int he first place, see zutils which is compressor-agnostic. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email: daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net Internet: http://people.progress-technologies.net/~daniel.baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54258c34.3000...@progress-technologies.net
