Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:42:28PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: I understand your concern here, but there is no restriction against distributing modified binary, only modified source. Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are forbidden? ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...]. IIRC, we have to be able to derive a program (or would you allow a 10MB patch?). Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are forbidden? ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...]. We need explicit permission to distribute patches with the source if we're not allowed to distribute modified sources. This is discussed in the DFSG. http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-policy/archive/debian-policy-2.4.1.0/ch2.html#s2.1.1 -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
On Tue, 5 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are forbidden? ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...]. We need explicit permission to distribute patches with the source if we're not allowed to distribute modified sources. This is discussed in the DFSG. http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-policy/archive/debian-policy-2.4.1.0/ch2.html#s2.1.1 OK, I guess I'd better try and contact the author... I'll report any progress back here... -- Steve McIntyre, CURS CCE, Cambridge, UK. [EMAIL PROTECTED] a href=http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~stevem/My home page/a Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky, +-- Tongue-tied twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I... |Finger for PGP key -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
[ Forwarded to debian-devel to see what other people think. ] The copyright for seyon says: == Seyon is Copyright (c) 1992 of Muhammad M. Saggaf. Seyon is not public domain. Permission is granted to use and distribute Seyon freely for any use and to sell it at any price without reference to the copyright owner provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part and that this copyright notice is included with Seyon. Permission is also granted to modify the source as long as the modified source is not distributed. == I'm happy that we can work with this license, as we distribute diffs. Thomas thinks otherwise. Thoughts? -- Steve McIntyre, CURS CCE, Cambridge, UK. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sent ten dollars to death.net and all I got was... well, nothing. Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky, +-- Tongue-tied twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I... |Finger for PGP key -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright Why not? I still don't see a problem. We do not change the upstream source and then distribute it... (I've been here before): you're packaging it (original sources fixes) together as seyon. -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm happy that we can work with this license, as we distribute diffs. Thomas thinks otherwise. Thoughts? This license conflicts with point 3 of DFSG. We can't distribute modified versions under the same terms as the original. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm happy that we can work with this license, as we distribute diffs. Thomas thinks otherwise. Thoughts? This license conflicts with point 3 of DFSG. We can't distribute modified versions under the same terms as the original. I understand your concern here, but there is no restriction against distributing modified binary, only modified source. It seems to me that we have accepted non-modified source as DFSG compliant as long as modified binaries are not restricted. The license makes specific statements about what you can do (as well as what you can,t) and yet does not explicitly declare modified binaries to be acceptable. Is this what is bothering you too, Raul? I tend to be as flexible as possible when reading such documents, which is not always the way to arrive at the legal requirements. I would be happier if the author made it clear what the rules are for modified binary distribution. If there is clarification of this issue, I don't have any difficulty viewing the license as DFSG compliant. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that we have accepted non-modified source as DFSG compliant as long as modified binaries are not restricted. We allow exceptions to point 3, as long as point 4 is satisfied (explicit permission to distribute software built from modified sources). http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that we have accepted non-modified source as DFSG compliant as long as modified binaries are not restricted. We allow exceptions to point 3, as long as point 4 is satisfied (explicit permission to distribute software built from modified sources). Yes, the fact that there was no explicit permission to distribute modified binaries was what I found problematic as well. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
