Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-05 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:42:28PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
 On Mon, 4 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote:

 I understand your concern here, but there is no restriction against
 distributing modified binary, only modified source.

Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are
forbidden?

 ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact
  and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...].

IIRC, we have to be able to derive a program (or would you allow a 10MB
patch?).

Marcus

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Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-05 Thread Raul Miller
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are
 forbidden?
 
  ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact
   and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...].

We need explicit permission to distribute patches with the source if
we're not allowed to distribute modified sources.  This is discussed
in the DFSG.

http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-policy/archive/debian-policy-2.4.1.0/ch2.html#s2.1.1

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Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, 5 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote:

Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are
 forbidden?
 
  ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact
   and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...].

We need explicit permission to distribute patches with the source if
we're not allowed to distribute modified sources.  This is discussed
in the DFSG.

http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-policy/archive/debian-policy-2.4.1.0/ch2.html#s2.1.1

OK, I guess I'd better try and contact the author... I'll report any
progress back here...

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Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-04 Thread Steve McIntyre

[ Forwarded to debian-devel to see what other people think. ]

The copyright for seyon says:

==

  Seyon is Copyright (c) 1992 of Muhammad M. Saggaf. Seyon is not
  public domain. Permission is granted to use and distribute Seyon
  freely for any use and to sell it at any price without reference to
  the copyright owner provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact
  and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part and
  that this copyright notice is included with Seyon. Permission is
  also granted to modify the source as long as the modified source is
  not distributed.

==

I'm happy that we can work with this license, as we distribute diffs.
Thomas thinks otherwise. Thoughts?

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright

 Why not? I still don't see a problem. We do not change the upstream source 
 and then distribute it... 
(I've been here before):
you're packaging it (original sources  fixes) together as seyon.


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Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm happy that we can work with this license, as we distribute diffs.
 Thomas thinks otherwise. Thoughts?

This license conflicts with point 3 of DFSG.  We can't distribute
modified versions under the same terms as the original.

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Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-04 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote:

 Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm happy that we can work with this license, as we distribute diffs.
  Thomas thinks otherwise. Thoughts?
 
 This license conflicts with point 3 of DFSG.  We can't distribute
 modified versions under the same terms as the original.
 
I understand your concern here, but there is no restriction against
distributing modified binary, only modified source.

It seems to me that we have accepted non-modified source as DFSG compliant
as long as modified binaries are not restricted.

The license makes specific statements about what you can do (as well as
what you can,t) and yet does not explicitly declare modified binaries to
be acceptable. Is this what is bothering you too, Raul?

I tend to be as flexible as possible when reading such documents, which is
not always the way to arrive at the legal requirements.

I would be happier if the author made it clear what the rules are for
modified binary distribution. If there is clarification of this issue, I
don't have any difficulty viewing the license as DFSG compliant.

Luck,

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Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems to me that we have accepted non-modified source as DFSG compliant
 as long as modified binaries are not restricted.

We allow exceptions to point 3, as long as point 4 is satisfied
(explicit permission to distribute software built from
modified sources).

http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines

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Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-04 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote:

 Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It seems to me that we have accepted non-modified source as DFSG compliant
  as long as modified binaries are not restricted.
 
 We allow exceptions to point 3, as long as point 4 is satisfied
 (explicit permission to distribute software built from
 modified sources).
 
Yes, the fact that there was no explicit permission to distribute modified
binaries was what I found problematic as well.

Luck,

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