Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
also sprach Marco Nenciarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.14.1533 +0100]: expocity is an effort to integrate an efficient means of switching between applications into the window manager metacity, similar to Exposé(tm) on Apple's OS-X. enlighten us non-Darwinists: what does Exposé do? How does this differ from tabs as provided e.g. by fluxbox. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
== Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:33:43 +0100 From: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity == enlighten us non-Darwinists: what does Exposé do? How does this differ from tabs as provided e.g. by fluxbox. http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/ bye Christian
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
* [ 14-12-04 - 15:33 ] Marco Nenciarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Description : An enanced Window Manager based on metacity s/enanced/enhanced/ expocity is an effort to integrate an efficient means of switching between applications into the window manager metacity, similar to Exposé(tm) on Apple's OS-X. IMHO you should put this sentence at the beginning of the long description rather than at the end. A more descriptive description would be cool too. :) ciao, ema
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 04:43:11PM +0100, Christian Surchi wrote: == Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:33:43 +0100 From: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity == enlighten us non-Darwinists: what does Expos? do? How does this differ from tabs as provided e.g. by fluxbox. http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/ If you want to do something like this it seems more practical to make it available to all window managers. The package 'skippy' was recently mentioned on debian-mentors[1], and can be found here: [Upstream] http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php [Initial packages] http://cxhome.ath.cx/debian/skippy/ It works nicely with my IceWM environment, and I'd love to see it uploaded... Steve -- # Debian Administration Tips www.debian-administration.org [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/12/msg00135.html
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
On Tuesday, 14 de December de 2004 16:33, martin f krafft wrote: enlighten us non-Darwinists: what does Expos do? How does this differ from tabs as provided e.g. by fluxbox. Similar to Kompose: http://kompose.berlios.de/kompose_0.4.jpg pgp40arFgR6uG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 15:33 +0100, Marco Nenciarini wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: expocity Version : 2.6.2-1 Upstream Author : Martin Grimme [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.pycage.de/software_expocity.html * License : GPL Description : An enanced Window Manager based on metacity I like the idea... But unfortunately switching between desktops gets awfully slow. Too slow for me (as I switch between desktops a lot). But again, otherwise I like it... -- Hanspeter Kunz Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Ph.D. Student Department of Information Technology Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Zurich Tel: +41.(0)44.63-54306 Andreasstrasse 15, Office 2.12 http://ailab.ch/people/hkunzCH-8050 Zurich, Switzerland Spamtraps: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
also sprach Isaac Clerencia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.14.1610 +0100]: Similar to Kompose: http://kompose.berlios.de/kompose_0.4.jpg I fail to see the innovative component. What am I looking for? also sprach Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.14.1643 +0100]: also sprach Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.14.1651 +0100]: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/ quote: Admit it, Mac OS X has you spoiled. Youve become so used to its reliability that you dont hesitate to have a dozen applications running at the same time. Which means, of course, that you probably spend a fair amount of time each day poking through open windows and documents just to uncover the one you need at the moment. Damn, and I run about 60 applications simultaneously and never lose overview with fluxbox or ion. I must be doing something wrong. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:10:08PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Damn, and I run about 60 applications simultaneously and never lose overview with fluxbox or ion. I must be doing something wrong. This seems to me to be a sloppy way to work. If all these apps are doing significant amounts of work, each one is going to run very slowly. More than a few simultaneous compiles and you're just thrashing. I have a fast computer and have selected apps that start quickly. I find it neater and cleaner to open and close the handful of things I'm working on, and instead run hundreds of tasks serially rather than in parallel. I think this is just sloppiness.
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
also sprach William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.14.1825 +0100]: Damn, and I run about 60 applications simultaneously and never lose overview with fluxbox or ion. I must be doing something wrong. This seems to me to be a sloppy way to work. If all these apps are doing significant amounts of work, each one is going to run very slowly. More than a few simultaneous compiles and you're just thrashing. You forget that application != memory/performance hog. I did not say I run OpenOffice.org or KDE or Gnome or anything. If I do not use an application, it idles and consumes a PID and a couple of file handles and that's it. I find it neater and cleaner to open and close the handful of things I'm working on, and instead run hundreds of tasks serially rather than in parallel. I leave the serialisation up to the scheduler. I would claim to range up in the 98% efficiency department with my computer use. Part of that is related to the way my apps and screen estate are organised. The other part is that I click the mouse button maybe five times a day. I think this is just sloppiness. i might disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -- voltaire You must have had horrible experiences with your computer. I am sorry. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.14.1643 +0100]: also sprach Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.14.1651 +0100]: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/ quote: Admit it, Mac OS X has you spoiled. Youve become so used to its reliability that you dont hesitate to have a dozen applications running at the same time. Which means, of course, that you probably spend a fair amount of time each day poking through open windows and documents just to uncover the one you need at the moment. Damn, and I run about 60 applications simultaneously and never lose overview with fluxbox or ion. I must be doing something wrong. Probably a matter of taste. On Linux, I usually have multiple workspaces, and therefore no problem finding the right window. Others may prefer to have everything on a single workspace. IIRC in MacOSX you have no choice, and there I liked the feature very much. But this also depends on an other misfeature of MacOSX: If an application has multiple windows open, you cannot cycle between them (at least not with the same keystrokes used to cycle between applications). But you can use Expose to get the right window. Regards, Frank -- Frank Kster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zrich Debian Developer
Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:33:31PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: You must have had horrible experiences with your computer. I am sorry. Not at all. I've just never been a fan of having a thousand windows open. I keep 4 terminals tiled on 1 desktop, use screen to background things, and use a tabbed Firefox on desktop 2. Occasionally an additional terminal is spawned to background music in mplayer. Other apps such as Gimp or Code Editors are transient and float over some of the terminals. Heavy work is done in server processes, and I have lots of those, but they aren't managed by my WM. I get my rocks off on heavy-duty apps starting in subsecond times. I like transient windows, above my bedrock of workers. Sometimes serial is sexy.
