Re: Official CDROM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Instead of the two-cd's-without-source, I'd rather see a special lightweight _single_ Debian cd for i386 that carries: ... A cd like this, with approximately 250 meg binaries, 250 meg sources, 40 meg documentation, 10 meg kernels and a 100 meg live filesystem would make an excellent cover cd for computer magazines. That's a great idea. One minor suggestion: cut down the numbers a touch, so there's about 100 meg free. This would allow people to add stuff in customizing the CD. Last semester I needed to cut a dozen CDs for a course I was teaching. I wanted to include a version of Scheme for a couple architectures (Windows, MacOS, etc) and Emacs for the same set of architectures, some manuals (R4RS and the like) plus some software of my own. It all added up to under 100 meg, so to fill out the CD I included the Debian 1.3 i386 binary bootable CD stuff, plus non-US and much of non-free. I know that a number of people used it to install Debian on their home machines. The setup you describe would be even more suited to applications like that. And I'm sure magazines wouldn't mind a bit of free space on the disk for some custom stuff either. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official CDROM
On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 03:19:00PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
a) 5 cd set : source, misc, and 3 binary cds.
misc + binary will be enought for every architecture, so
distributors can sell cd sets of 2 cds (or 3 with source).
b) 4 cd set : highly integrated.
it will not be possible to split the m68k or alpha part of,
but this will save us one cdrom.
I tend to favor the highly integrated multi cd solution. Reasons:
I tend to prefer the 5 cd set exaclty for reasons you gave here :)
- Most of the overhead for cd vendors goes into things like order
registration, postage and packing. The cost of a couple of silver discs
is quite negligable. You can put up to 6 cd's in a single jewelbox.
So why don't put 5 disk that are better organized? After all 5 is
only 4 + 1.
- The amount of debian-{alpha,mk68,sparc,mips,arm,what-next}-only cd sets
that vendors expect to ship will probably not be high at this moment.
This might cause them to not ship the other architectures or put a much
higher price tag on those cd sets. Even if the alternative sets are
made by the ftp.cdrom.coms, Infomagics and whoever else forwards
their stuff into the retail channels, the cd sets still have to make it
to the individual main street pc- and bookshop's shelfs.
With the 5 cd set they can choose. And smaller redistributors that simply
burn gold cds (as I do in italy, just 20 to 40 cds) can choose to exclude
a couple of them the from the distribution.
- Clearly showing support for many architectures is good Debian exposure.
And having 1 cd for every arch is much better (someone can think that
other archs are not well done if you mix things on multiple cd).
- If I had a cd with Debian on it for an architecture that I don't
have at home, but of which I knew that there is such a machine at work
or school or whereever I can get to it, I will attempt to convince the
owner/administrator to try Debian.
True. I will buy the 5cd set.
MODE start-rant-away-into-the-blue
Instead of the two-cd's-without-source, I'd rather see a special
lightweight _single_ Debian cd for i386 that carries:
- Ten different alternative kernels to boot off, suiting various hardware
needs. This would be a big improvement over the current situation,
where people complain that RedHat/Slackware's floppy does boot and
Debian's does not.
- Only small parts of the main distribution and full source of the
included binaries. The devel stuff needed to rebuild all those sources
should be included in the binary part of course. Kernel source should
also be included.
- A decent on-line documentation tree that can be read with a webbrowser
on a Windoze computer before actually attempting to install Debian.
- A tiny live-filesystem on the cd, think of no more than 50 to 100
megabytes.
- Has to be just enough to have a skinny standard linux running, to
show your friends (or yourself) that it runs on your pc before going
ahead and take repartitioning any harddisks.
A small step before the big leap.
- Uses ramdisks to mount / and eg. /home on or alternatively:
* Can use parts of a dos filesystem to put umsdos filesystems on.
A dos filesystem can also hold a swapfile.
* Can also be installed entirely to a umsdos filesystem on your
dos filesystem.
The latter options would make it possible to try it a couple of times,
keeping basic network setup and other required configuration like
modules and passwords stored.
- Provides an excellent base system for installation! It has mc, emacs,
vi, ae, gcc, lynx, useful network clients and, depending on the size
that's available, a small webserver. Everybody can find his/her
favorite essentials on it.
- Is also the ultimate rescue disk.
A cd like this, with approximately 250 meg binaries, 250 meg sources, 40
meg documentation, 10 meg kernels and a 100 meg live filesystem would
make an excellent cover cd for computer magazines.
Any takers? I'd love to work with some people on a little project to have
this working for 2.1.
Mmmhh. I am woking on that. What I dream is a bootable/livefs cdrom
that lets you play a little bit with linux and then guides you
through the installation process from the hd (re)partinioning to
the X11 configuration.
Anyone knows about a FAT32 defrag program that runs under linux?
Anyone ever tried to compile FIPS under linux? Ideas?
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Re: Official CDROM
With the 5 cd set they can choose. And smaller redistributors that simply burn gold cds (as I do in italy, just 20 to 40 cds) can choose to exclude a couple of them the from the distribution. The Official CD images are meant for the big CD vendors, so we don't have them doing a run of 1000 CD's which they didn't build correctly. For you, it would be better to tweak the scripts to your own needs, build your own images from a local mirror, and burn them. (That's what I do) A cd like this, with approximately 250 meg binaries, 250 meg sources, 40 meg documentation, 10 meg kernels and a 100 meg live filesystem would make an excellent cover cd for computer magazines. Any takers? I'd love to work with some people on a little project to have this working for 2.1. Mmmhh. I am woking on that. What I dream is a bootable/livefs cdrom that lets you play a little bit with linux and then guides you through the installation process from the hd (re)partinioning to the X11 configuration. Let's see if we cannot fit it on www.uk.debian.org (where Andreas is currently building the 4CD set). If people can come up with tweaks for the scripts, to build this Debian-Lite CD, we could just include it in the main makefile, and generate them all at the same time. open.hands.com (what www.uk.debian.org is really called) is getting down to it's last gig. on the partition where the CD images sit, so I'm going to get another drive for it. Once that's done we can have a whole load of alternative cuts of the Official CD generated there if people want them. Cheers, Phil. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official CDROM
Hi! a) 5 cd set : source, misc, and 3 binary cds. misc + binary will be enought for every architecture, so distributors can sell cd sets of 2 cds (or 3 with source). My vote for the 5 CD set. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official CDROM
On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 01:53:56PM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: I can work in two directions : a) 5 cd set : source, misc, and 3 binary cds. misc + binary will be enought for every architecture, so distributors can sell cd sets of 2 cds (or 3 with source). b) 4 cd set : highly integrated. it will not be possible to split the m68k or alpha part of, but this will save us one cdrom. opinions ? As the official CD program is targeted to distributors, I vote for the 5 cd set. Most of our users won't need Debian for several archs, so this option saves them one cdrom (source, misc and 1 binary instead of the 4 non-splittable cd set). Also we don't save that much space on the FTP sites with the 4 cd set. It's 1 cd less, but the 4 remaining will be full almost to capacity, so their image files will be bigger than the ones for the 5 cd set. The total sum won't be that smaller. -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official CDROM
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
a) 5 cd set : source, misc, and 3 binary cds.
misc + binary will be enought for every architecture, so
distributors can sell cd sets of 2 cds (or 3 with source).
b) 4 cd set : highly integrated.
it will not be possible to split the m68k or alpha part of,
but this will save us one cdrom.
I tend to favor the highly integrated multi cd solution. Reasons:
- Most of the overhead for cd vendors goes into things like order
registration, postage and packing. The cost of a couple of silver discs
is quite negligable. You can put up to 6 cd's in a single jewelbox.
- The amount of debian-{alpha,mk68,sparc,mips,arm,what-next}-only cd sets
that vendors expect to ship will probably not be high at this moment.
This might cause them to not ship the other architectures or put a much
higher price tag on those cd sets. Even if the alternative sets are
made by the ftp.cdrom.coms, Infomagics and whoever else forwards
their stuff into the retail channels, the cd sets still have to make it
to the individual main street pc- and bookshop's shelfs.
- Clearly showing support for many architectures is good Debian exposure.
- If I had a cd with Debian on it for an architecture that I don't
have at home, but of which I knew that there is such a machine at work
or school or whereever I can get to it, I will attempt to convince the
owner/administrator to try Debian.
MODE start-rant-away-into-the-blue
Instead of the two-cd's-without-source, I'd rather see a special
lightweight _single_ Debian cd for i386 that carries:
- Ten different alternative kernels to boot off, suiting various hardware
needs. This would be a big improvement over the current situation,
where people complain that RedHat/Slackware's floppy does boot and
Debian's does not.
- Only small parts of the main distribution and full source of the
included binaries. The devel stuff needed to rebuild all those sources
should be included in the binary part of course. Kernel source should
also be included.
- A decent on-line documentation tree that can be read with a webbrowser
on a Windoze computer before actually attempting to install Debian.
- A tiny live-filesystem on the cd, think of no more than 50 to 100
megabytes.
- Has to be just enough to have a skinny standard linux running, to
show your friends (or yourself) that it runs on your pc before going
ahead and take repartitioning any harddisks.
A small step before the big leap.
- Uses ramdisks to mount / and eg. /home on or alternatively:
* Can use parts of a dos filesystem to put umsdos filesystems on.
A dos filesystem can also hold a swapfile.
* Can also be installed entirely to a umsdos filesystem on your
dos filesystem.
The latter options would make it possible to try it a couple of times,
keeping basic network setup and other required configuration like
modules and passwords stored.
- Provides an excellent base system for installation! It has mc, emacs,
vi, ae, gcc, lynx, useful network clients and, depending on the size
that's available, a small webserver. Everybody can find his/her
favorite essentials on it.
- Is also the ultimate rescue disk.
A cd like this, with approximately 250 meg binaries, 250 meg sources, 40
meg documentation, 10 meg kernels and a 100 meg live filesystem would
make an excellent cover cd for computer magazines.
Any takers? I'd love to work with some people on a little project to have
this working for 2.1.
/MODE
Cheers,
Joost
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