Re: developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:25:36AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I agree with Stephan's and Sam's reasoning, I think the detailed > information should be in the devref. > > A wiki is by definition open to edition by any (authorized?) user; the > devref has named editors (as you are very well aware ;-) ) and can be > seen as verified and curated information. I think the information > should be concisely explained in the devref, leaving the Wiki for more > full/detailed information on specific points, examples, or documenting > changes as they are discussed or implemented, Ok, thanks for your feedback, Gunnar, Sam, Stephan & Jochen! I'll take this route soon. > while waiting for them > to arrive to the devref's next edition. fwiw, I've switched the release modell of src:developers-reference to 'release early, release often', which means I basically aim to release directly after each substancial change. By looking at the version number in bullseye, which is 11.0.21, you can easily see this ment I did 21 uploads in the two years of developing bullseye. (This poses challenges to translations to say the least, which I plan to address eventually.) More help (best in form of patches or commits) absolutly very welcome! Any member of the Debian group on salsa can and should commit freely & with responsibility :) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ People call vaccine mandates "Orwellian" even though Orwell died at 46 of tuberculosis, which is now preventable with a vaccine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer
Holger Levsen dijo [Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:49:05AM +]: > hi, > > so Stephan Lachnit submitted an MR for developers-reference on Monday to > document how to grant DM upload permissions, which I gladly merged, even > though I was aware of "#653399: developers-reference: Please include a > paragraph about Debian Maintainers (DM)" still being unresolved. > (...) > I'm leaning towards explaining the basics in devref (mostly by copying bits > from the wiki page) and adding a pointer to the wiki page, but if there's > consensus that the wiki page is supposed to be made obsolete by *moving* > the contents to src:devref and leaving a pointer on the wiki page, I could > also do that. I agree with Stephan's and Sam's reasoning, I think the detailed information should be in the devref. A wiki is by definition open to edition by any (authorized?) user; the devref has named editors (as you are very well aware ;-) ) and can be seen as verified and curated information. I think the information should be concisely explained in the devref, leaving the Wiki for more full/detailed information on specific points, examples, or documenting changes as they are discussed or implemented, while waiting for them to arrive to the devref's next edition. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer
> "Holger" == Holger Levsen writes: Holger> So what do you all think? Holger> I'm leaning towards explaining the basics in devref (mostly Holger> by copying bits from the wiki page) and adding a pointer to Holger> the wiki page, but if there's consensus that the wiki page Holger> is supposed to be made obsolete by *moving* the contents to Holger> src:devref and leaving a pointer on the wiki page, I could Holger> also do that. developers-reference is available offline, is in my experience better organized, and is where I look for stuff like that. I am able to place more trust in devref than wiki.debian.org. Some parts of wiki.debian.org are great; some parts are horribly out of date. I'd say that as best we are able, things normal Debian developers need to do should be in devref. So, what are DMs, how to grant permissions, how to revoke are things I'd hope would be in devref. Beyond that, I think wiki.debian.org could be fine.
Re: developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 12:49 PM Holger Levsen wrote: > > So what do you all think? > > I'm leaning towards explaining the basics in devref (mostly by copying bits > from the wiki page) and adding a pointer to the wiki page, but if there's > consensus that the wiki page is supposed to be made obsolete by *moving* > the contents to src:devref and leaving a pointer on the wiki page, I could > also do that. As already mentioned on IRC, I think in this case I would move the information for the DDs to the devref and reference it on the wiki with "if you are a DD, see also section X in devref". Currently when I search something related to general DD tasks I first look in the devref and not in the wiki. In particular most of the DebianMaintainer wiki page is for those wanting to become a DM, I only found the granting permissions section after looking a second time. In general I would put information specific for people who are already DDs in the devref written with the assumption that everyone who reads it is a DD. The wiki on the other hand is more "public facing", so I would put here more introductory content (like "what can I do as a DM" and "how I can become a DM"). Regards, Stephan
