Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 05:05:10AM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: There has to be a standard way to at least have basic unix utils like grep, ed, diff and friends to work on files with multi lingual contents and still have a reasonable user interface and means to display their output. diff and grep work on UTF-8 files just fine. If you need to display a result that can't be displayed in a console or xterm, you use a GUI program to display the text. Just like if you were working on PNM files with the NetPNM tools. Look, the current terminal emulator standards just can't handle sufficently complex scripts. It's a system designed for charcell fonts with a one to one character to glyph correspondence. There's only so much that can be hacked onto it, and scripts that require shaping are generally considered outside that. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when the bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
On 21.IX.2001 at 05:48 Sulaiman Fahad Alhasawi wrote: who maintain arabic fonts/programs ? If yes , may i know who ? if no , can some one apply to do so ? I would like to maintain Arabic fonts for Debian. Can you give me URLs where I can find such fonts? Anton Zinoviev, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 05:21:39AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: [05:09:10 tmp]$ grep-available -PX xfonts-intl-arabic Package: xfonts-intl-arabic Which are couple of fonts in an Emacs-only encoding, not useful outside of Emacs. Please note that in general Linux distros have problems with Arabic that are much severe then the fonts issue: The right to left (RTL) direction and the changing of the font according to context (or something similar) are way from being solved, especially, but not limited to, text consoles. And these are far difficult problems then one might think at first look. For a large set of programs, the solution is using QT 3.0 or libgtk 2.4 (or is it 3.0?). I still do not find it satisfactory, mostly because it is not part of the native Unix environment and as such not suited for console apps. Hopefully you will find interest in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Although it is administrated by an Israeli volunteers, it does have participants from other countries. And this is because the RTL problem is shared among Arabic and Hebrew. But RTL is only a part of the problem. Arabeyes is a much better site for general Arabization, including Arabic font making. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when the bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
yeah RTL is true about arabic . And it could be solved by making an arabic keymap . That is the point. As far as I know, The it is far more complex then one tend to think at first glance, especially when you want multi lingual support. And the keymap, which can be made quite easily is only an input method. It does not concern the heart of the problem. Just for curiosity , do you have arabic developers who maintain arabic fonts/programs ? http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc does not show many. Still, it could be that no one of them has entered his geographical data and thus does not get to be on the map. It could also be that some of them are living in other parts of the world. Yet I do tend to believe that there are very few Arab developers. I also believe that there is a great need for developers who will concentrate on Arabic and, perhaps more importantly, on embedding Arabic, RTL and multi lingual in the Unix environment. In any case you can search by specific countries in http://db.debian.org If yes , may i know who ? if no , can some one apply to do so ? You might want to read http://nm.debian.org in order to see how to apply to be a developer and what you will need in order to become one. However in case you are new to Unix you might want to wait until you will have more experience. Thanks all for your help -- On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:16:42 David Starner wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 05:21:39AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: [05:09:10 tmp]$ grep-available -PX xfonts-intl-arabic Package: xfonts-intl-arabic Which are couple of fonts in an Emacs-only encoding, not useful outside of Emacs. Please note that in general Linux distros have problems with Arabic that are much severe then the fonts issue: The right to left (RTL) direction and the changing of the font according to context (or something similar) are way from being solved, especially, but not limited to, text consoles. And these are far difficult problems then one might think at first look. For a large set of programs, the solution is using QT 3.0 or libgtk 2.4 (or is it 3.0?). Hopefully you will find interest in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Although it is administrated by an Israeli volunteers, it does have participants from other countries. And this is because the RTL problem is shared among Arabic and Hebrew. But RTL is only a part of the problem. Arabeyes is a much better site for general Arabization, including Arabic font making. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when the bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 10:16:02PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: For a large set of programs, the solution is using QT 3.0 or libgtk 2.4 (or is it 3.0?). I still do not find it satisfactory, mostly because it is not part of the native Unix environment and as such not suited for console apps. The Linux console may never get proper RTL support; decent Arabic support on the console would be hard to impossible given console font limitations. Complex scripts are going to need X support; at the very least, you're going to need to run in an Xterm or the like, since Linux console is probably always going to be LTR, single width, and non-combining. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when the bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
fortunately im not not newbie to unix . like i said i was curious to know about arabization in debian . and i would like to participate in that feild . I think i need a recomendation from a debian developer .. -- On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:35:47 Shaul Karl wrote: yeah RTL is true about arabic . And it could be solved by making an arabic keymap . That is the point. As far as I know, The it is far more complex then one tend to think at first glance, especially when you want multi lingual support. And the keymap, which can be made quite easily is only an input method. It does not concern the heart of the problem. Just for curiosity , do you have arabic developers who maintain arabic fonts/programs ? http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc does not show many. Still, it could be that no one of them has entered his geographical data and thus does not get to be on the map. It could also be that some of them are living in other parts of the world. Yet I do tend to believe that there are very few Arab developers. I also believe that there is a great need for developers who will concentrate on Arabic and, perhaps more importantly, on embedding Arabic, RTL and multi lingual in the Unix environment. In any case you can search by specific countries in http://db.debian.org If yes , may i know who ? if no , can some one apply to do so ? You might want to read http://nm.debian.org in order to see how to apply to be a developer and what you will need in order to become one. However in case you are new to Unix you might want to wait until you will have more experience. Thanks all for your help -- On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:16:42 David Starner wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 05:21:39AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: [05:09:10 tmp]$ grep-available -PX xfonts-intl-arabic Package: xfonts-intl-arabic Which are couple of fonts in an Emacs-only encoding, not useful outside of Emacs. Please note that in general Linux distros have problems with Arabic that are much severe then the fonts issue: The right to left (RTL) direction and the changing of the font according to context (or something similar) are way from being solved, especially, but not limited to, text consoles. And these are far difficult problems then one might think at first look. For a large set of programs, the solution is using QT 3.0 or libgtk 2.4 (or is it 3.0?). Hopefully you will find interest in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Although it is administrated by an Israeli volunteers, it does have participants from other countries. And this is because the RTL problem is shared among Arabic and Hebrew. But RTL is only a part of the problem. Arabeyes is a much better site for general Arabization, including Arabic font making. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when the bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 10:16:02PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: For a large set of programs, the solution is using QT 3.0 or libgtk 2.4 (or is it 3.0?). I still do not find it satisfactory, mostly because it is not part of the native Unix environment and as such not suited for console apps. The Linux console may never get proper RTL support; decent Arabic support on the console would be hard to impossible given console font limitations. Complex scripts are going to need X support; at the very least, you're going to need to run in an Xterm or the like, since Linux console is probably always going to be LTR, single width, and non-combining. There has to be a standard way to at least have basic unix utils like grep, ed, diff and friends to work on files with multi lingual contents and still have a reasonable user interface and means to display their output. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when the bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
Hi there I dont find any packge that supports iso 8859-6 -- that is arabic fonts . [05:09:10 tmp]$ grep-available -PX xfonts-intl-arabic Package: xfonts-intl-arabic Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 62 Maintainer: Milan Zamazal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: all Source: intlfonts Version: 1.2-2 Replaces: intlfonts-arabic Depends: xutils (= 4.0.2) Suggests: xfs | xserver Conflicts: intlfonts-arabic Filename: pool/main/i/intlfonts/xfonts-intl-arabic_1.2-2_all.deb Size: 17322 MD5sum: c0142cdaa2f4485c1070e9a5d064407f Description: International fonts for X -- Arabic. This package includes some Arabic fonts (digits and single and double column). [05:09:39 tmp]$ Do you need some arabic people to participate in arabic fonts project ? It would be my pleasure . Im from Kuwait and arabic is my mother tongue . Please note that in general Linux distros have problems with Arabic that are much severe then the fonts issue: The right to left (RTL) direction and the changing of the font according to context (or something similar) are way from being solved, especially, but not limited to, text consoles. And these are far difficult problems then one might think at first look. Hopefully you will find interest in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Although it is administrated by an Israeli volunteers, it does have participants from other countries. And this is because the RTL problem is shared among Arabic and Hebrew. Thanks Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 05:21:39AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: [05:09:10 tmp]$ grep-available -PX xfonts-intl-arabic Package: xfonts-intl-arabic Which are couple of fonts in an Emacs-only encoding, not useful outside of Emacs. Please note that in general Linux distros have problems with Arabic that are much severe then the fonts issue: The right to left (RTL) direction and the changing of the font according to context (or something similar) are way from being solved, especially, but not limited to, text consoles. And these are far difficult problems then one might think at first look. For a large set of programs, the solution is using QT 3.0 or libgtk 2.4 (or is it 3.0?). Hopefully you will find interest in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Although it is administrated by an Israeli volunteers, it does have participants from other countries. And this is because the RTL problem is shared among Arabic and Hebrew. But RTL is only a part of the problem. Arabeyes is a much better site for general Arabization, including Arabic font making. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when the bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends
Re: iso 8859-6 fonts
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 04:03:11PM -0700, Sulaiman Fahad Alhasawi wrote: I dont find any packge that supports iso 8859-6 -- that is arabic fonts . Try iso10646-1 fonts. The fixed fonts at 10x20, 9x15, 9x15B and helvR12 all have most of the Arabic characters, as does the GNU Unifont. You might want to submit a bug on xfonts-base-transcoded for making 8859-6 fonts from those. Do you need some arabic people to participate in arabic fonts project ? It would be my pleasure . This mailing list is the wrong mailing list for this. Try debian-i18n, or better yet, the lists at arabeyes.org (a site for Arabizing Unix.) -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org When the aliens come, when the deathrays hum, when bombers bomb, we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends
