Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Josip Rodin wrote: One possible technique we could employ is to require that the list address appear visibly in the headers (to: or cc:). This would prevent Bcc'ing the lists which is a shame (and care would need to be taken with -private, which is also security), but it might be worth it. As an additional requirement, you could limit the possible number of To: addresses to 10. This way, a spammer needs to send out different messages, so he/she/it has to send multiple messages over his personal dialup connection. I'm using these rules on my lists here, and I've never had any spam on them, even if the submission addresses are publicized on the web. Simon PGP public key available from http://phobos.fs.tum.de/pgp/Simon.Richter.asc Fingerprint: 10 62 F6 F5 C0 5D 9E D8 47 05 1B 8A 22 E5 4E C1 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wednesday 8 March 2000, at 7 h 55, the keyboard of Nils Jeppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we please close the list from non-member submissions? NO! I, like many users of Debian, post from different mail addresses. Lists which are closed that way are really painful. Register each of those addresses and either set them to not receive mail or filter it to /dev/null and file a bug against the lists if they don't have that ability. That's what I make everyone do for the lists I admin. As an admin I have to clean up some of the things that get caught, but one would hope -devel at least would have savvy members :). Personally I use roles to help keep things straight. That can be difficult if you don't operate off your own box. ciao, der.hans -- # +++=+++ # # [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.excelco.com # #http://home.pages.de/~lufthans/ # # I'm not anti-social, I'm pro-individual. - der.hans # # ===+=== #
Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps
Jules == Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jules It is, for example, against the rules of the institution Jules I'm at (the university of cambridge) to emit mail with a Jules from: address other than a valid @cam.ac.uk from: Jules address. But when I'm at home, I use another address. This seems rather strict, there are valid reasons for doing this. the MTA should be able to add a Sender: address, too - have a look at this E-Mail for an example as to why you might want to use a different From: address. If anybody really wants to know where this message is getting sent from, it should be easy to check. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] (who currently wants all Debian mail to be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to aid sorting)
Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Jules Bean wrote: Faking mail is not something which should be undertaken trivially. Well call it fudging, if you will. ;) Making valid and useful actions impossible is not the way to fight spam. To fight spam, our spam-masters work quite hard to block open relays, etc. Alright, I really don't care as long as I don't get it in my mailbox. ;-) One possible technique we could employ is to require that the list address appear visibly in the headers (to: or cc:). This would prevent Bcc'ing the lists which is a shame (and care would need to be taken with -private, which is also security), but it might be worth it. This is hardly a real solution. Spammers still could post stuff to the list. Do you use Orbs? -- Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me. -- Amy
Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps
On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 02:43:37PM +0100, Nils Jeppe wrote: On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Jules Bean wrote: Making valid and useful actions impossible is not the way to fight spam. To fight spam, our spam-masters work quite hard to block open relays, etc. Alright, I really don't care as long as I don't get it in my mailbox. ;-) Delete it. It's not that hard. The spammers win if you waste time talking about them. If you just delete the mails immediately, it's easy. One possible technique we could employ is to require that the list address appear visibly in the headers (to: or cc:). This would prevent Bcc'ing the lists which is a shame (and care would need to be taken with -private, which is also security), but it might be worth it. This is hardly a real solution. Spammers still could post stuff to the list. But they never do. [Most] Auto-spam software can't be bothered to fake the headers for all 100,000 recipients, so they send the same body 100,000 times. Do you use Orbs? Ask the listmasters. I dunno. -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAIL PROTECTED],jellybean.co.uk} | technology is indistinguishable [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from a perl script
Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps
On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 07:55:49AM +0100, Nils Jeppe wrote: Can we please close the list from non-member submissions? This is not the first spam that's come over debian-devel recently. Or set up that : - reply to thread can be done from anyone - new thread can be started by a) member b) non-member after mail is checked by someone
Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps
On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 02:43:37PM +0100, Nils Jeppe wrote: One possible technique we could employ is to require that the list address appear visibly in the headers (to: or cc:). This would prevent Bcc'ing the lists which is a shame (and care would need to be taken with -private, which is also security), but it might be worth it. This is hardly a real solution. Spammers still could post stuff to the list. Still, large portion of them do use Bcc:, IME - I have been filtering my mail on the same rule for ages, and I notice all mails that escape it, and those that are really personal/wanted mail, but don't escape it - the ratio is satisfactory. -- enJoy -*/\*- don't even try to pronounce my first name
