Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
Hi, I've been maintaining "official" OpenStack Debian images within the HP cloud for about 6 months now. Though I've been requested a few times already where these could be downloaded. The thing is, due to the very nature of OpenStack, which is completely free software, it doesn't make much sense to have these images available only from one of the multiple cloud providers. So I would like to upload generated images somewhere. That somewhere must be the most official URL possible, and best would be, IMO, if the images were sent just right next to the ISO images for Debian [2], and distributed through our network of mirrors. Note that the images are prepared with software which are all in Debian Wheezy, and a bit within wheezy-backports. Indeed, I'm using the "openstack-debian-images" package for which I'm also upstream [1]. How can I make this happen? Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo) [1] The simple command is: build-openstack-debian-image -r wheezy [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c8946e.3050...@debian.org
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
Hi, On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 07/18/2014 07:49 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. > > > > Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( > > As I wrote on IRC, I thought you were busy with arm stuff, so I didn't > dare to ask again. It's probably my fault for not insisting. > > > I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. > > That'd be awesome! > > > - how big are we talking? > > 350 / 400 MB for the normal compressed qcow2 image. We could as well > ship the raw image, but I don't think that's necessary since it's > possible to convert the qcow2 back into .img using qemu-img. I'd love to be able to download Debian cloud images from an official place. What is missing/required to make this happen? Can I help? Thanks ...Juerg > Cheers, > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ca2855.9090...@debian.org >
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 03:58:04PM +0200, Juerg Haefliger wrote: >Hi, > >On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> >> On 07/18/2014 07:49 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. >> > >> > Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( >> >> As I wrote on IRC, I thought you were busy with arm stuff, so I didn't >> dare to ask again. It's probably my fault for not insisting. >> >> > I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. >> >> That'd be awesome! >> >> > - how big are we talking? >> >> 350 / 400 MB for the normal compressed qcow2 image. We could as well >> ship the raw image, but I don't think that's necessary since it's >> possible to convert the qcow2 back into .img using qemu-img. > >I'd love to be able to download Debian cloud images from an official place. >What is missing/required to make this happen? Can I help? Simple lack of time thus far, to be honest. :-( Thomas: where are your images currently? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I've only once written 'SQL is my bitch' in a comment. But that code is in use on a military site..." -- Simon Booth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141028165450.gf11...@einval.com
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 22 October 2014 11:58, Juerg Haefliger wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> >> On 07/18/2014 07:49 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. >> > >> > Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( >> >> As I wrote on IRC, I thought you were busy with arm stuff, so I didn't >> dare to ask again. It's probably my fault for not insisting. >> >> > I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. >> >> That'd be awesome! >> >> > - how big are we talking? >> >> 350 / 400 MB for the normal compressed qcow2 image. We could as well >> ship the raw image, but I don't think that's necessary since it's >> possible to convert the qcow2 back into .img using qemu-img. > > I'd love to be able to download Debian cloud images from an official place. > What is missing/required to make this happen? Can I help? > > Thanks > ...Juerg > > > >> Cheers, >> >> Thomas Goirand (zigo) Lets build something like this: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ but, for Debian, of course... ? I can help. Cheers! Thiago -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJSM8J1=-+zwdvrikxgalxafcdixusyw9mxzqrfzm8fnuo_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
> Lets build something like this: > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ but, for Debian, of > course... ? > I can help. > > Cheers! > Thiago BTW, I'm maintaining an OpenStack Guide, here: https://github.com/tmartinx/openstack-guides/tree/master/Juno Within my guide, currently, I register Ubuntu images like this: --- 3.3. Adding O.S. images into your Glance ... # one line: glance image-create --location http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04/release/ubuntu-14.04-server-cloudimg-i386-disk1.img --is-public true --disk-format qcow2 --container-format bare --name "Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS - Trusty Tahr - 32-bit - Cloud Based Image" --- And I think that it would be awesome to achieve something like this for Debian (including Jessie images with both systemd and sysvinit-core), so, we might have (example): --- # one line: glance image-create --location http://uec-images.debian.org/releases/8/release/debian-8.0.0-systemd-amd64-disk1.img --is-public true --disk-format qcow2 --container-format bare --name "Debian 8 - Jessie - 64-bit - Cloud Based Image - systemd" # one line: glance image-create --location http://uec-images.debian.org/releases/8/release/debian-8.0.0-sysvinit-amd64-disk1.img --is-public true --disk-format qcow2 --container-format bare --name "Debian 8 - Jessie - 64-bit - Cloud Based Image - sysvinit" --- Best, Thiago -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJSM8J1eX3-+=6_4sfFGfjrjByFBo0H9xPvc9gngNs_k0tV-=q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 10/29/2014 12:54 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 03:58:04PM +0200, Juerg Haefliger wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> >>> On 07/18/2014 07:49 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( >>> >>> As I wrote on IRC, I thought you were busy with arm stuff, so I didn't >>> dare to ask again. It's probably my fault for not insisting. >>> I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. >>> >>> That'd be awesome! >>> - how big are we talking? >>> >>> 350 / 400 MB for the normal compressed qcow2 image. We could as well >>> ship the raw image, but I don't think that's necessary since it's >>> possible to convert the qcow2 back into .img using qemu-img. >> >> I'd love to be able to download Debian cloud images from an official place. >> What is missing/required to make this happen? Can I help? > > Simple lack of time thus far, to be honest. :-( > > Thomas: where are your images currently? Hi Steve, I upload them to the HP cloud, but also over here: http://archive.gplhost.com/openstack-images/ Though this image contains the bootlogd patch to support logging on multiple consoles. I'm currently trying to make this updated in proposed-updates though (see: #767202). On 10/29/2014 05:13 AM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > Lets build something like this: > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ but, for Debian, of > course... ? > I can help. Let's stick to the plan of distributing the images together with the Debian CDs. It's not the role of Debian to advertize for a particular provider like Amazon (even though it's IMO ok to maintain the images within large cloud service providers). You may also know that we already provide some images within AWS. See the debian-cloud list. I would recommend anyone that maintain images to advertize about them in that list rather than in debian-devel or on the Debian web site. Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5450c720.90...@debian.org
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 10/29/2014 12:54 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 03:58:04PM +0200, Juerg Haefliger wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >>> > >>> On 07/18/2014 07:49 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. > > Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( > >>> > >>> As I wrote on IRC, I thought you were busy with arm stuff, so I didn't > >>> dare to ask again. It's probably my fault for not insisting. > >>> > I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. > >>> > >>> That'd be awesome! > >>> > - how big are we talking? > >>> > >>> 350 / 400 MB for the normal compressed qcow2 image. We could as well > >>> ship the raw image, but I don't think that's necessary since it's > >>> possible to convert the qcow2 back into .img using qemu-img. > >> > >> I'd love to be able to download Debian cloud images from an official place. > >> What is missing/required to make this happen? Can I help? > > > > Simple lack of time thus far, to be honest. :-( > > > > Thomas: where are your images currently? > > Hi Steve, > > I upload them to the HP cloud, but also over here: > http://archive.gplhost.com/openstack-images/ Very good. Thanks for the pointer. > Though this image contains the bootlogd patch to support logging on > multiple consoles. I'm currently trying to make this updated in > proposed-updates though (see: #767202). > > On 10/29/2014 05:13 AM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > > Lets build something like this: > > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ but, for Debian, of > > course... ? > > I can help. > > Let's stick to the plan of distributing the images together with the > Debian CDs. What exactly does that mean, 'together with the CDs'? > It's not the role of Debian to advertize for a particular > provider like Amazon (even though it's IMO ok to maintain the images > within large cloud service providers). I don't think this is about promoting cloud providers. It's about providing a central place for users to learn where official Debian images can be found. Are you concerned about the effort to maintain such a site or about Debian being perceived as favoring certain cloud providers or is it against some Debian policy? > You may also know that we already provide some images within AWS. See > the debian-cloud list. I would recommend anyone that maintain images to > advertize about them in that list rather than in debian-devel or on the > Debian web site. IMO it feels wrong for a potential user to have to hunt through mailing lists to find and learn about official Debian cloud images. A central place to download images (OpenStack, AWS, Docker, ...) is very useful, links to providers that host such images would be a nice add-on for end users but I can understand if there's resentment. ...Juerg > Cheers, > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) >
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 31 October 2014 08:39, Juerg Haefliger wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> >> On 10/29/2014 12:54 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 03:58:04PM +0200, Juerg Haefliger wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Goirand >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 07/18/2014 07:49 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> > [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't >> > reply. >> >> Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( >> >>> >> >>> As I wrote on IRC, I thought you were busy with arm stuff, so I didn't >> >>> dare to ask again. It's probably my fault for not insisting. >> >>> >> I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. >> >>> >> >>> That'd be awesome! >> >>> >> - how big are we talking? >> >>> >> >>> 350 / 400 MB for the normal compressed qcow2 image. We could as well >> >>> ship the raw image, but I don't think that's necessary since it's >> >>> possible to convert the qcow2 back into .img using qemu-img. >> >> >> >> I'd love to be able to download Debian cloud images from an official >> >> place. >> >> What is missing/required to make this happen? Can I help? >> > >> > Simple lack of time thus far, to be honest. :-( >> > >> > Thomas: where are your images currently? >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> I upload them to the HP cloud, but also over here: >> http://archive.gplhost.com/openstack-images/ > > Very good. Thanks for the pointer. > > >> Though this image contains the bootlogd patch to support logging on >> multiple consoles. I'm currently trying to make this updated in >> proposed-updates though (see: #767202). >> >> On 10/29/2014 05:13 AM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: >> > Lets build something like this: >> > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ but, for Debian, of >> > course... ? >> > I can help. >> >> Let's stick to the plan of distributing the images together with the >> Debian CDs. > > What exactly does that mean, 'together with the CDs'? > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/ > >> It's not the role of Debian to advertize for a particular >> provider like Amazon (even though it's IMO ok to maintain the images >> within large cloud service providers). > > I don't think this is about promoting cloud providers. It's about providing > a central place for users to learn where official Debian images can be > found. Are you concerned about the effort to maintain such a site or about > Debian being perceived as favoring certain cloud providers or is it against > some Debian policy? > It's more to do with whether the images are fully free, built from unmodified sources, are verifiable locally, and that the thing launched from cloud provider panels is actually debian. I would be happy to see to ec2/openstack/etc compatible images hosted on cdimage, which users then may upload into a cloud environment and launch them. Debian policy is about packaging only. This is more in-line with good intentions / Debian social contract. > >> You may also know that we already provide some images within AWS. See >> the debian-cloud list. I would recommend anyone that maintain images to >> advertize about them in that list rather than in debian-devel or on the >> Debian web site. > > IMO it feels wrong for a potential user to have to hunt through mailing > lists to find and learn about official Debian cloud images. A central place > to download images (OpenStack, AWS, Docker, ...) is very useful, links to > providers that host such images would be a nice add-on for end users but I > can understand if there's resentment. > -- Regards, Dimitri. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/canbhlug3fxpdz-v-5kppl8sbym585i5ccknqesxqdv9c5pj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 10/31/2014 04:39 PM, Juerg Haefliger wrote: >> On 10/29/2014 05:13 AM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: >> > Lets build something like this: >> > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ but, for Debian, of >> > course... ? >> > I can help. >> >> Let's stick to the plan of distributing the images together with the >> Debian CDs. > > What exactly does that mean, 'together with the CDs'? I mean in here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/ >> It's not the role of Debian to advertize for a particular >> provider like Amazon (even though it's IMO ok to maintain the images >> within large cloud service providers). > > I don't think this is about promoting cloud providers. It's about > providing a central place for users to learn where official Debian > images can be found. Are you concerned about the effort to maintain such > a site or about Debian being perceived as favoring certain cloud > providers or is it against some Debian policy? I'm concerned that we're going to advertize only about large providers. Why should we advertize about HP & Amazon, and not smaller players? >> You may also know that we already provide some images within AWS. See >> the debian-cloud list. I would recommend anyone that maintain images to >> advertize about them in that list rather than in debian-devel or on the >> Debian web site. > > IMO it feels wrong for a potential user to have to hunt through mailing > lists to find and learn about official Debian cloud images. A central > place to download images (OpenStack, AWS, Docker, ...) is very useful, > links to providers that host such images would be a nice add-on for end > users but I can understand if there's resentment. Then a wiki page seems more appropriate. Everyone can edit the wiki, so it's fair enough. Though even this way, I think it's best to just ship the images through cdimage.debian.org, and let everyone download and use them. Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5453a866.3090...@debian.org
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 10/31/2014 05:34 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > It's more to do with whether the images are fully free, built from > unmodified sources, are verifiable locally, and that the thing > launched from cloud provider panels is actually debian. > I would be happy to see to ec2/openstack/etc compatible images hosted > on cdimage, which users then may upload into a cloud environment and > launch them. > Debian policy is about packaging only. > This is more in-line with good intentions / Debian social contract. Exactly what I think, and written better than I just did. Thanks! :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5453a8b4.4070...@debian.org
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
]] Thomas Goirand > So I would like to upload generated images somewhere. That somewhere > must be the most official URL possible, and best would be, IMO, if the > images were sent just right next to the ISO images for Debian [2], and > distributed through our network of mirrors. How big are they? -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87a987dt1h@aexonyam.err.no
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 07/18/2014 03:28 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Thomas Goirand > >> So I would like to upload generated images somewhere. That somewhere >> must be the most official URL possible, and best would be, IMO, if the >> images were sent just right next to the ISO images for Debian [2], and >> distributed through our network of mirrors. > > How big are they? Roughly 350/400 GB for the compressed qcow2 image. I think it should be fine to publish only that one, since it's easy to convert to a raw image using qemu-img. Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c90374.7080...@debian.org
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
Hi Thomas, On Fr 18 Jul 2014 13:22:28 CEST, Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] Roughly 350/400 GB for the compressed qcow2 image. [...]omas, I desperately hope that we have a typo here (G vs. M). Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpUzwiukDs73.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:56:15PM +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > On Fr 18 Jul 2014 13:22:28 CEST, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >>[...] > >Roughly 350/400 GB for the compressed qcow2 image. [...]omas, > > I desperately hope that we have a typo here (G vs. M). Yes, it's MB. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140718143004.gb20...@raptor.chemicalconnection.dyndns.org
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 07/18/2014 07:22 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 07/18/2014 03:28 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >> ]] Thomas Goirand >> >>> So I would like to upload generated images somewhere. That somewhere >>> must be the most official URL possible, and best would be, IMO, if the >>> images were sent just right next to the ISO images for Debian [2], and >>> distributed through our network of mirrors. >> >> How big are they? > > Roughly 350/400 GB for the compressed qcow2 image. Sorry, I meant MB of course. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c930b9.4010...@debian.org
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
z...@debian.org wrote: >Hi, > >I've been maintaining "official" OpenStack Debian images within the HP >cloud for about 6 months now. Though I've been requested a few times >already where these could be downloaded. The thing is, due to the very >nature of OpenStack, which is completely free software, it doesn't make >much sense to have these images available only from one of the multiple >cloud providers. > >So I would like to upload generated images somewhere. That somewhere >must be the most official URL possible, and best would be, IMO, if the >images were sent just right next to the ISO images for Debian [2], and >distributed through our network of mirrors. > >Note that the images are prepared with software which are all in Debian >Wheezy, and a bit within wheezy-backports. Indeed, I'm using the >"openstack-debian-images" package for which I'm also upstream [1]. > >How can I make this happen? > >Cheers, > >Thomas Goirand (zigo) > >[1] The simple command is: >build-openstack-debian-image -r wheezy > >[2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. - how big are we talking? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Support the Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression: http://www.eff.org/cafe/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/e1x86fn-0005dn...@mail.einval.com
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
El Fri, 18 de Jul 2014 a las 4:49 AM, Steve McIntyre escribió: I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. [for OpenStack images] - how big are we talking? He said 350-400 GB, but it is highly probably he meant to type MB.
Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?
On 07/18/2014 07:49 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> [2] I contacted Steve McIntyre privately about it, but he didn't reply. > > Bugger, sorry. Must have missed the mail totally. :-( As I wrote on IRC, I thought you were busy with arm stuff, so I didn't dare to ask again. It's probably my fault for not insisting. > I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. That'd be awesome! > - how big are we talking? 350 / 400 MB for the normal compressed qcow2 image. We could as well ship the raw image, but I don't think that's necessary since it's possible to convert the qcow2 back into .img using qemu-img. Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ca2855.9090...@debian.org
