Re: Automatic removal of packages from testing
On 2013-09-30 17:33, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Joey Hess wrote: >> Niels Thykier wrote: >>> [KEY-PACKAGES] >>> http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi >> >> If you're curious, as I was, how this list is arrived at, here's the >> source: >> >> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-qa/udd.git;a=blob;f=scripts/update-key-packages;h=d214dcbbe4aea5b2b49b132a0c135dfef40cf71f;hb=6743df0478511a99f4d779db8229a92a0d938da3 >> >> Basically, 5% of popcon submitters have it installed, or it's part of >> debian-installer, or something debian-cd includes on CDs (including >> task packages). > > Thanks for the link; I was also curious, but a quick search didn't > help. I just assumed it was discussed on debian-release, which I don't > read. > > The idea behind and the source code for finding "key packages" were also mentioned in our last "Bits" mail to debian-devel-announce[1]. Hopefully there weren't to many surprises (or differences) here. :) ~Niels [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/08/msg6.html Quote: """ > At the Release BoF at DebConf13, it was suggested to use (something > based on) Lucas Nussbaum's "key packages" proposal. The original > proposal can be seen at [KEY-PKGS]. > [...] > [KEY-PKGS] > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg00496.html > http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.cgi (NB: This script has a long > load time) > source: > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-qa/udd.git;a=blob_plain;f=web/cgi-bin/key_packages.cgi;hb=HEAD """ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52499d49.7070...@thykier.net
Re: Automatic removal of packages from testing
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Joey Hess wrote: > Niels Thykier wrote: >> [KEY-PACKAGES] >> http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi > > If you're curious, as I was, how this list is arrived at, here's the > source: > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-qa/udd.git;a=blob;f=scripts/update-key-packages;h=d214dcbbe4aea5b2b49b132a0c135dfef40cf71f;hb=6743df0478511a99f4d779db8229a92a0d938da3 > > Basically, 5% of popcon submitters have it installed, or it's part of > debian-installer, or something debian-cd includes on CDs (including > task packages). Thanks for the link; I was also curious, but a quick search didn't help. I just assumed it was discussed on debian-release, which I don't read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caa77j2d12symo6vaky79cet22bkhtpma45olojmcm2y+oz1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Automatic removal of packages from testing
Niels Thykier wrote: > [KEY-PACKAGES] > http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi If you're curious, as I was, how this list is arrived at, here's the source: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-qa/udd.git;a=blob;f=scripts/update-key-packages;h=d214dcbbe4aea5b2b49b132a0c135dfef40cf71f;hb=6743df0478511a99f4d779db8229a92a0d938da3 Basically, 5% of popcon submitters have it installed, or it's part of debian-installer, or something debian-cd includes on CDs (including task packages). -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: removal of packages from testing.
On Thu July 22 2010 12:44:39 Neil Williams wrote: > > We used to use Testing for desktops and laptops, but the hassle > > of disappearing packages was not worth it. > > Any stats on that? Just how many packages were affected? Before or > after a release freeze was announced? Real users have to be able to clone or recreate systems at any time. Not merely at the most auspicious moments of the release cycle. Check our Joey's post for why Continuously Usable Testing would be a good idea: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/cut/ It does seem that Debian is wasting an awful amount of effort by not making Testing as useful as it could be. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201007221308.51340.mgb-deb...@yosemite.net
Re: removal of packages from testing.
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:13:41 -0700 Mike Bird wrote: > On Thu July 22 2010 11:28:49 Neil Williams wrote: > > Removing packages from testing does not remove them from any > > existing installation, so it's hard to see how the removal of > > packages which are plainly not suitable for release in stable > > supports an assertion that testing is somehow not intended for real > > users. > > Real users have to be able to recreate a dead system or install > new systems at any time. Really?? That seems far beyond the requirements of most "ordinary" users. Exceptional users could always arrange a local mirror, which doesn't have to remove packages. > We actually have a few Testing packages (e.g. WordPress) in our > mostly-Stable servers and we backup copies of those Testing packages > both on-site and off-site against the vagaries of the Testing masters. These are not vagaries - packages are only removed from testing for essential reasons. > We used to use Testing for desktops and laptops, but the hassle > of disappearing packages was not worth it. Any stats on that? Just how many packages were affected? Before or after a release freeze was announced? -- Neil Williams = http://www.data-freedom.org/ http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ http://e-mail.is-not-s.ms/ pgpFxk2gfpoup.pgp Description: PGP signature
