Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi, it seems nobody has minded seriously to maintain debian-edu tasks. Any volunteer? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi Holger, On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:28:38AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > and thus distracts / blurries the view. For example: > > 2014-10-22 07:09:21,766 - INFO - (190): Blend debian-edu task common: Package > ion2 is provided in Ubuntu > > ion2 is dead since years (6 or 7 or so... years!), so I have no clue why UDD > says its still in Ubuntu (it's also still in Debian etch or lenny), but if I > see this, I will not track those 200 other entries telling me it's in Ubuntu. > > Instead it should plainly say: "no information about ion2 available in the > archive". - or whatever. Your first link is *much* better in this regard. Please forgive me that I was bothering you with some debug info of the Blends importer which is not intended to be inspected by users (and thus not online). I was considering to do you a favour to provide additional information which is IMHO helpful to spot things like this: debian-edu(master) $ gbp-pull debian-edu(master) $ head -n1 debian/changelog debian-edu (1.809) UNRELEASED; urgency=high debian-edu(master) $ grep ion2 tasks/* tasks/common: fvwm1, fvwm95, habak, hanterm-xf, icewm, ion2, ion3, jwm, \ > So while this import list is indeed noisy and this is partly Debian Edus > "fault" - because as I said, by design we include packages not (yet) > available anymore in our tasks. and then by design we also forget to clean > those lists... - but it's also noisy because it adds information from an > unrelated source (ubuntu) Yes, Ubuntu is in fact unrelated. I was expecting you to do some `grep -v ` I personally like to browse the whole list since it might give you some clue about renamed packages which are featuring the old name at these other sources and you are able to remember - hey, this package is renamed now in our relevant source > and then overlays this information over other > information it has about Debian, so that this other info gets hidden. And > *this* needs to be fixed in the UDD importer, and not in the Edu tasks. Holger, it would be really great if you would dig into the tasks files before you claim that they are OK. You just told me how outdated ion2 is and you keep on claiming that the tasks are fine? Again: The UDD importer is not primarily intended for Blends developers but it really helps to detect problems. I'd rather say that the tasks job logfile is broken since it is missing ion2 (and fvwm1, fvwm95, etc.). As always patches are welcome. Hope this helps Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141022095815.ge7...@an3as.eu
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi Andreas, On Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, Andreas Tille wrote: > While I doubt that the long list has shortened automatically I never said it shortended *automatically*! > the log files > from the tasks pages creation job can be always be found here: >http://blends.debian.org/_logs/debian-edu.log thanks - that list is way better than the original one (which had lots of irrelevant information..) - and it's also way shorter. I'll go through it and see what substance is in there.. > http://blends.debian.net/packages-metadata/debian-edu_uud_import_log/20141 > 022_blends_metadata_gatherer-debian-edu.log > Probably this is the most valuable source of information to detect > problems in the specified names of packages because it tries even harder > to give hints for instance also inspects the Ubuntu package pool where > some older versions might be kept and thus you know what might be > outdated. thats exactly why this list is less useful (though it seems to be shorter than the one in the original report?!) because it has more information than needed and thus distracts / blurries the view. For example: 2014-10-22 07:09:21,766 - INFO - (190): Blend debian-edu task common: Package ion2 is provided in Ubuntu ion2 is dead since years (6 or 7 or so... years!), so I have no clue why UDD says its still in Ubuntu (it's also still in Debian etch or lenny), but if I see this, I will not track those 200 other entries telling me it's in Ubuntu. Instead it should plainly say: "no information about ion2 available in the archive". - or whatever. Your first link is *much* better in this regard. So while this import list is indeed noisy and this is partly Debian Edus "fault" - because as I said, by design we include packages not (yet) available anymore in our tasks. and then by design we also forget to clean those lists... - but it's also noisy because it adds information from an unrelated source (ubuntu) and then overlays this information over other information it has about Debian, so that this other info gets hidden. And *this* needs to be fixed in the UDD importer, and not in the Edu tasks. Thanks, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi Holger, On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:44:35AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sonntag, 21. September 2014, Andreas Tille wrote: > > I'd strongly recommend to spend 3-4 hours on this task. > > The Blends logfiles I mentioned in the bug report are sufficient > > help to do it properly. > > the long list you specified in your original bug report ist not helpful, as > it's too long and not dynamically updated. You said it came from the UDD > importer - so is there a list where I can see this list updated in real time > from current data? While I doubt that the long list has shortened automatically the log files from the tasks pages creation job can be always be found here: http://blends.debian.org/_logs/debian-edu.log (sorry for missing the link in the original bug report). Since the GSoC work last year the Blends metadata are also importet into UDD. I think the log is only available on a host that imports into UDD. I created a copy of a freshly recreated (the import only verifies changed tasks files and I forced a full reimport) log here: http://blends.debian.net/packages-metadata/debian-edu_uud_import_log/20141022_blends_metadata_gatherer-debian-edu.log Probably this is the most valuable source of information to detect problems in the specified names of packages because it tries even harder to give hints for instance also inspects the Ubuntu package pool where some older versions might be kept and thus you know what might be outdated. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141022073931.gd7...@an3as.eu
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi Andreas, On Sonntag, 21. September 2014, Andreas Tille wrote: > I'd strongly recommend to spend 3-4 hours on this task. > The Blends logfiles I mentioned in the bug report are sufficient > help to do it properly. the long list you specified in your original bug report ist not helpful, as it's too long and not dynamically updated. You said it came from the UDD importer - so is there a list where I can see this list updated in real time from current data? I looked on the blends pages but didnt find it. Also your list is not particularily useful, because we track suggestions in our tasks (which I'm not sure is a good idea) for package which might become packaged one day and we also have quite many recommendations and suggests which are only available on amd64 and/or i386 only (or not available on a few)... So I started to go through the list at https://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=testing&package=debian-edu but got tired very fast, as the first 4-5 pages scrolled through, were all packages fittng that criteria and I gave up. So unless you come up with some packages, I think it *is* justified to close this bug. ;-) cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi, On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:01:28AM +0300, Bob Bib wrote: > 2014-09-18, Andreas Tille: > > Would you volunteer to go further than this start > > and review all tasts which is deperately needed? > > Too much cleanup work needed, not for me, sorry... > However, I tried to revise the 'desktop-lxde' task (see below). > > > I'd vote to grant you commit permissions in this case to > > maintain the files directly rather than patches in BTS. > > Frankly saying, > I don't have an intention to maintain this package, sorry again. > > Maybe some automated tool should be developed, > to query the Debian PTS for package availability?.. This tool exists but it is not sufficient to wild guess what additional packages are replacing the ones that vanished. > Petter Reinholdtsen: > > Bug #726492 reported by you has been fixed in the Git repository > > ... > > + * Drop some obsolete (nonexisting/renamed) packages from > > tasks/desktop-other. > > +Patch from Bob Bib (Closes: #726492). > > Unfortunately, not yet: > my patch is only a small part of of a huge cleanup needed here... I'd strongly recommend to spend 3-4 hours on this task. The Blends logfiles I mentioned in the bug report are sufficient help to do it properly. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140920225033.gb13...@an3as.eu
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
2014-09-18, Andreas Tille: > Would you volunteer to go further than this start > and review all tasts which is deperately needed? Too much cleanup work needed, not for me, sorry... However, I tried to revise the 'desktop-lxde' task (see below). > I'd vote to grant you commit permissions in this case to > maintain the files directly rather than patches in BTS. Frankly saying, I don't have an intention to maintain this package, sorry again. Maybe some automated tool should be developed, to query the Debian PTS for package availability?.. Petter Reinholdtsen: > Bug #726492 reported by you has been fixed in the Git repository > ... > + * Drop some obsolete (nonexisting/renamed) packages from > tasks/desktop-other. > +Patch from Bob Bib (Closes: #726492). Unfortunately, not yet: my patch is only a small part of of a huge cleanup needed here... Best wishes, Bob --- a/tasks/desktop-lxde +++ b/tasks/desktop-lxde @@ -14,10 +14,9 @@ Depends: lxde, desktop-file-utils Why: LXDE needs login manager, opening files in LXDE depends on desktop-file-utils -Recommends: aqualung, evince-gtk, galculator, osmo, parcellite, \ +Recommends: evince-gtk, galculator, osmo, parcellite, \ pidgin, xchat, mtpaint, fotoxx, gimp, \ - inkscape, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio, \ - synaptic + inkscape, synaptic Recommends: blueman Why: Bluetooth support in the LXDE desktop environment. @@ -32,11 +31,22 @@ it pull in Gnome when installed. NeedConfig: yes, artwork -Depends: totem | dragonplayer | vlc | kaffeine | audacious | xine-ui | mplayer2 -Why: Prefered video / multimedia player for the LXDE environment. +Depends: gnome-mplayer | vlc | totem | xine-ui +Why: Preferred video / multimedia players for the LXDE environment. Responsible: Mike Gabriel NeedConfig: no +Recommends: audacious +Why: Good audio player. +Responsible: ? +NeedConfig: no + +Recommends: libreoffice-writer, libreoffice-calc, libreoffice-impress, \ + libreoffice-draw, libreoffice-math, libreoffice-gtk +Why: LibreOffice suite (main applications). +Responsible: ? +NeedConfig: no + Recommends: ssh-askpass Why: X11 implementation of ssh-askpass for ssh login without a tty available. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1411170778.152115063.709tl...@frv40.fwdcdn.com
GIT makes commit rights less important (Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi, On Donnerstag, 18. September 2014, Andreas Tille wrote: > thanks for your input which is definitely helpful. Would you volunteer > to go further than this start and review all tasts which is deperately > needed? I'd vote to grant you commit permissions in this case to > maintain the files directly rather than patches in BTS. while I have no real opinion on whether Bob should become a project member or not (and while I do applaud the very liberal membership rules of Debian Edu!), I'd like to point out that GIT makes (centralized) commit rights on alioth less important. Anyone can fork and commit to repo, and then these patches can be shared and picked easily, so that attribution of the work remains! To repeat this in mere english: your commits will remain your commits, even if someone else pushes them in the repo for you. Which is one of the many reasons why GIT is great! cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi Bob, thanks for your input which is definitely helpful. Would you volunteer to go further than this start and review all tasts which is deperately needed? I'd vote to grant you commit permissions in this case to maintain the files directly rather than patches in BTS. Kind regards Andreas. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 02:01:19AM +0300, Bob Bib wrote: > Version: 1.724 > > Was curious what keeps depending on old wine-doc package... > Here a small patch to start with. > > > Best wishes, > Bob > > - > > --- a/tasks/desktop-other > +++ b/tasks/desktop-other > @@ -411,7 +411,7 @@ > Responsible: ? > NeedConfig: ? > > -Suggests:gnuplot, geg > +Suggests:gnuplot > Why: Graph plotting programs. gnuplot was requested by math teacher. > Responsible: ? > NeedConfig: no > @@ -434,7 +434,7 @@ > Responsible: ? > NeedConfig: no > > -Depends: inkscape | sodipodi > +Depends: inkscape > Recommends: gimp, gimp-data-extras, gimp-ufraw > Suggests:kolourpaint, kpaint, netpbm, gv, dia > Ignore: gimp-help-cs, gimp-help-de, gimp-help-en, gimp-help-fr, \ > @@ -579,7 +579,7 @@ > Responsible: Petter Reinholdtsen > NeedConfig: No > > -Suggests:wine, wine-doc, libwine-alsa, libwine-oss > +Suggests:wine > Why: Run MS Windows applications. > Responsible: ? > NeedConfig: ? > @@ -594,7 +594,7 @@ > Responsible: Petter Reinholdtsen > NeedConfig: no > > -Ignore: ted, mgp > +Ignore: mgp > Why: Presentasjonsverktøy > Responsible: ? > NeedConfig: no > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > https://lists.debian.org/1410994702.434153696.uhkkp...@frv40.fwdcdn.com > > -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918151917.gl10...@an3as.eu
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Version: 1.724 Was curious what keeps depending on old wine-doc package... Here a small patch to start with. Best wishes, Bob - --- a/tasks/desktop-other +++ b/tasks/desktop-other @@ -411,7 +411,7 @@ Responsible: ? NeedConfig: ? -Suggests:gnuplot, geg +Suggests:gnuplot Why: Graph plotting programs. gnuplot was requested by math teacher. Responsible: ? NeedConfig: no @@ -434,7 +434,7 @@ Responsible: ? NeedConfig: no -Depends: inkscape | sodipodi +Depends: inkscape Recommends: gimp, gimp-data-extras, gimp-ufraw Suggests:kolourpaint, kpaint, netpbm, gv, dia Ignore: gimp-help-cs, gimp-help-de, gimp-help-en, gimp-help-fr, \ @@ -579,7 +579,7 @@ Responsible: Petter Reinholdtsen NeedConfig: No -Suggests:wine, wine-doc, libwine-alsa, libwine-oss +Suggests:wine Why: Run MS Windows applications. Responsible: ? NeedConfig: ? @@ -594,7 +594,7 @@ Responsible: Petter Reinholdtsen NeedConfig: no -Ignore: ted, mgp +Ignore: mgp Why: Presentasjonsverktøy Responsible: ? NeedConfig: no -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1410994702.434153696.uhkkp...@frv40.fwdcdn.com
Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi, On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 04:55:20PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: > > Yes, there is a way. Inspecting the log I've posted. Could you please > > have a real look at the list? > > Could you provide examples from that list, please? You already parsed it it > seems. task common: Package gcc-4.0-base not found task common: Package expect-tcl8.3 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package tk8.3 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package gobjc-4.2 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package gobjc++-4.2 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package gfortran-4.2 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package sun-java5-bin is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package sun-java5-jre is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package sun-java5-plugin is provided in Ubuntu task main-server: Package php4-cli not found task main-server: Package php4 not found task desktop-other: Package gij-4.1 is provided in Ubuntu task desktop-other: Package ibm-jdk1.1-installer not found task desktop-other: Package jdk1.1 not found task desktop-other: Package kaffe is provided in Ubuntu ... Here are some tricky ones you most probably want to replace with valid packages: task lang-no-desktop: Package openoffice.org-help-nb not found task lang-no-desktop: Package openoffice.org-help-nn not found task lang-no-desktop: Package icedove-l10n-nb not found task lang-no-desktop: Package icedove-l10n-nn not found task desktop-other: Package openoffice.org-help-en not found task desktop-other: Package openoffice.org-l10n-common is provided in Ubuntu task desktop-other: Package openoffice.org-l10n-en-us not found task desktop-other: Package openoffice.org-l10n-fr is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'ignore'. task desktop-other: The warning about duplicated package openoffice.org-l10n-fr should have just happended'. task desktop-other: Package openoffice.org-l10n-hi not found task desktop-other: Package openoffice.org-l10n-lo is provided in Ubuntu task desktop-other: Package openoffice.org-l10n-sr-cs not found task desktop-other: Package iceweasel-l10n-cy-gb not found task desktop-other: Package iceweasel-l10n-et-ee not found task desktop-other: Package iceweasel-l10n-roa-es-val not found task desktop-other: Package iceweasel-l10n-uk-ua not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-af not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-az not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-bn not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-br not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-cy not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-mn not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-ms not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-rw not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-se is provided in Ubuntu task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-srlatin not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-ss not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-ta not found task desktop-other: Package kde-l10n-uz not found ... > > Moreover: Future packages should get some additional information inside > > the tasks file - you might really want to reread the docs[2]. > > Frankly: if debian-blends only gives me work more work regularily, Ups, please prove your point: In how far does the Blends framework gives you more work? I would say it just opens your eyes for work you missed to do. > why should > I use it at all? As I see it we want to maintain a few metapackages with it, > keeping up with some meta framework just to achieve this, seems a bit > cumbersome... Please be more verbose how you want to maintain "a few metapackages" just without checking whether * they are valid * they contain things that should not be in The framework was initially invented by Petter for Debian Edu exclusively and I took the freedom to enhance it for everybody. Your question why you should use what you invented before becomes a bit unexpected, really. And you should know that I spended a lot of time on creating tools that go way beyond just metapackages you could perfectly use for advertising of Debian Edu and doing QA work. Its not my fault if you reduce the framework only onto "a few metapackages". > (eg also that the debian-edu package requires a special buld > procedure is not nice for new Debian Edu developers.) I admit this is an issue and I'm working with my GSoC student to try to fix this. However, the exact wording for your sentence above would be "... the debian-edu *source* package requires ..." I really wonder in how far a "make dist" is so complex to create a source package. In the GSoC project we even injected automatic debian/changelog creation what package was added / removed and added support for different architectures (I'm keen on learning how you want to cope with this with your "a few metapackages" editing approach). Unfortunately the source package creation process is *now* a bit more advanced than a s
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi, On Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: > Yes, there is a way. Inspecting the log I've posted. Could you please > have a real look at the list? Could you provide examples from that list, please? You already parsed it it seems. > Moreover: Future packages should get some additional information inside > the tasks file - you might really want to reread the docs[2]. Frankly: if debian-blends only gives me work more work regularily, why should I use it at all? As I see it we want to maintain a few metapackages with it, keeping up with some meta framework just to achieve this, seems a bit cumbersome... (eg also that the debian-edu package requires a special buld procedure is not nice for new Debian Edu developers.) cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 03:51:06PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Andreas, > > (are you still subscribed to the edu list?) Sure I am! And according to the liststats[1] I'm struggling hard to remain the top 6th poster but I'll probably loose this position soon to Mike. ;-) > On Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: > > The approach remains valid - but this is *not* the problem in your tasks > > files at all. You did not updated your tasks files with not *yet* > > available packages - you are just keeping cruft. > > Thats my point: if we collect not yet packaged packages there, there is no > way > to distinguish those from cruft. Yes, there is a way. Inspecting the log I've posted. Could you please have a real look at the list? I'm really wondering how you could come up with the thesis that old stuff from future stuff is hard to distinguish after having at least a slightest look. Moreover: Future packages should get some additional information inside the tasks file - you might really want to reread the docs[2]. So cleaning up is simple: Remove everything that is not found that has no additional information provided. That should be very simple. But as I repeatedly said: Watch for alternatives / renamed packages. > And a wiki seems better I think we had left behind the Wiki discussion about ten years ago. A Wiki for the intended purpose is *way* worse. And please do not use the argument that a Wiki is always up to date. A Wiki is only up to date if enough people care. Please trust me: All those Wiki pages createt for Blends related package list either were never finished or are outdated now. The major advantage is that you can *check* the metadate inside a task file (see this bug report) but you can not with a Wiki. What lets you assume that given you have not maintained the list of packages inside the tasks file on what you are relying technically anyway a Wiki might be maintained more reliable. And even if you might be right which I doubt heavily: Why should anybody spent time in migrating the (assumed) maintained Wiki content into the tasks file. I really hope I misunderstood you. > for keeping such a > list anyway, so I'm all for your cleanup plan. I'm doing this cleanup regularly for Debian Med and Debian Science and it takes some time but if you try to let the amount of work not to pile up that much as it is now that's no problem at all. BTW, I'm to lazy to search the list, but I have given hints on this problem several times in the past (also several times with bad timing for various freezes). > One minor problem though: I'd prefer to do all jessie related work in git > now, > and keep svn exclusivly for wheezy+squeeze support (unless where we already > use git), thus migrating the debian-edu git package is somewhat a blocker for > fixing this bug. Else I say: please go ahead, remove all the cruft! :-) You can keep Blends sources in SVN or Git at your preference. I could provide a script to do the migration (or for some kind of $DRINK when we might meet next time I'd volunteer to do this ;-)). Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://blends.debian.net/liststats/authorstat_debian-edu.png [2] http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends/ch-sentinel.en.html#s-packageslist -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131016143638.gj32...@an3as.eu
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi Andreas, (are you still subscribed to the edu list?) On Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: > The approach remains valid - but this is *not* the problem in your tasks > files at all. You did not updated your tasks files with not *yet* > available packages - you are just keeping cruft. Thats my point: if we collect not yet packaged packages there, there is no way to distinguish those from cruft. And a wiki seems better for keeping such a list anyway, so I'm all for your cleanup plan. One minor problem though: I'd prefer to do all jessie related work in git now, and keep svn exclusivly for wheezy+squeeze support (unless where we already use git), thus migrating the debian-edu git package is somewhat a blocker for fixing this bug. Else I say: please go ahead, remove all the cruft! :-) cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi Holger, On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 02:24:55PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: > > Debian Edu tasks files are in a *very* weak state. > > why do you call it weak? Because we are less likely to notice new failures? There will be no failures actually because the Blends framework is safe in terms of ignoring unknown packages. This advantage has in turn the drawback that you are not noticing renamed packages or packages that are providing alternatives for some package that was removed from Debian. And your tasks files just do contain such packages that are affected which I'd call weak and the "very" was used because it are several packages. > > You should fix all > > the packages mentioned in your tasks file because in the worst case you > > will lack those packages who are renamed or have better alternatives in > > your resulting metapackages. > > I seem to recall there was a practice of just adding "random prospective" > package(names), hoping they would be packaged some day. (I was never happy > with this approach.) But in debian-edu it is the other way around. In most cases there is no hope that the old packages will come back or reappear in old versions etc. > If this approach is not used anymore (or my memory is wrong in the first > place), I'm all for clean up! The approach remains valid - but this is *not* the problem in your tasks files at all. You did not updated your tasks files with not *yet* available packages - you are just keeping cruft. Hope this explains better Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131016125302.ge32...@an3as.eu
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Hi, On Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: > Debian Edu tasks files are in a *very* weak state. why do you call it weak? Because we are less likely to notice new failures? > You should fix all > the packages mentioned in your tasks file because in the worst case you > will lack those packages who are renamed or have better alternatives in > your resulting metapackages. I seem to recall there was a practice of just adding "random prospective" package(names), hoping they would be packaged some day. (I was never happy with this approach.) If this approach is not used anymore (or my memory is wrong in the first place), I'm all for clean up! cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#726492: debian-edu: Task files are specifying a lot of not existing / renamed packages
Source: debian-edu Severity: important Hi, Debian Edu tasks files are in a *very* weak state. You should fix all the packages mentioned in your tasks file because in the worst case you will lack those packages who are renamed or have better alternatives in your resulting metapackages. I attached a log from the UDD importer of the debian-edu tasks. Feel free to ask me in case you are not able to interpret the messages. Hope this helps Andreas. task geography: Package google-earth not found task geography: Package mapserver not found task geography: Package libgeos2c2a is provided in Ubuntu task geography: Package geotoad is provided in Ubuntu task geography: Package libmapnik1d is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package dpt-raidutil not found task common: Package smartsuite not found task common: Package belocs-locales-bin is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package bpalogin is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package contact-lookup-applet is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package language-support-en is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package liferea-mozilla is a virtual package provided in Ubuntu task common: Package mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package screem is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package sessreg not found task common: Package xdriinfo not found task common: Package xkeyboard-config is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package xmessage not found task common: Package kcpuload is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package w3m is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'ignore'. task common: The warning about duplicated package w3m should have just happended'. task common: Package artsbuilder is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package rsync is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'ignore'. task common: The warning about duplicated package rsync should have just happended'. task common: Package smail is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package nbsmtp is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package atlas3-base is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package atlas3-sse is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package atlas3-sse2 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package atlas3-3dnow is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package gs-aladdin is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package ipmasqadm not found task common: Package netkit-ping is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package python-newt is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'avoid'. task common: The warning about duplicated package python-newt should have just happended'. task common: Package ssh-askpass is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'avoid'. task common: The warning about duplicated package ssh-askpass should have just happended'. task common: Package libsasl2-modules-mysql not found task common: Package nagios-mysql not found task common: Package nagios-pgsql not found task common: Package realtime-lsm is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package realtime-lsm-source is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package jfsutils is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'avoid'. task common: The warning about duplicated package jfsutils should have just happended'. task common: Package libgnutls12 not found task common: Package update not found task common: Package yaird is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package apache2-mpm-worker is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'avoid'. task common: The warning about duplicated package apache2-mpm-worker should have just happended'. task common: Package apache2-mpm-perchild is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package initrd-tools not found task common: Package kaffe is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package sablevm is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package jikes is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package enlightenment is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package fvwm-gnome is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package fvwm95 not found task common: Package habak is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package hanterm-xf not found task common: Package ion2 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package ion3 is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package multi-gnome-terminal not found task common: Package xfce4-terminal is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'avoid'. task common: The warning about duplicated package xfce4-terminal should have just happended'. task common: Package xfsprogs is mentioned more than once. There is no point in adding an extra entry with strength 'avoid'. task common: The warning about duplicated package xfsprogs should have just happended'. task common: Package gcc-4.0-base not found task common: Package libslang1-utf8-udeb is provided in Ubuntu task common: Package exp
