Bug#511357: Be careful with #511357
Sorry for my tone earlier; I realised after I sent my reply that it was needlessly inflammatory. Anyway, after posting my reply there has been further discussions on tp-sv, and it seems that Svenska Språknämnden still regards W as a variant of V, so sadly it seems that we'll have to keep Swedish with insane sorting in the future too (unless there's some way to provide a variant). Sorry again to Jörgen for my tone, and to Clint for wasting your time (and thanks for being prepared to do so!). Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#489946: Slight correction
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 05:50:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 06:26:55PM +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > > This patch doesn't seem to apply for me. Is it reversed? > > (I dropped it in debian/patches/localedata and added it to series with > > -p0, I hope that was the right way to do it). > > Ah, yes, you'll need to either disable or tweak > localedata/first_weekday.diff After 193 minutes of building glibc (my laptop is certainly no speed monster... Are there any plans to split locales from the rest of libc?), I've tested your patch. Seems to work just fine! t...@tal:~$ LC_TIME=sv_FI date +"%x %X" 12.01.2009 00.51.54 (without the patch, the output is: t...@tal:~$ LC_TIME=sv_FI date +"%x %X" 2009-01-12 00.55.20 ) Thanks for all the hard work! Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#489946: Slight correction
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 06:09:56AM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:16:00AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > > Disclaimer: I'm certainly not an expert on the Finnish sublocale of > > Swedish; I just know what the date & time formats should be. > > Please confirm that this triggers the correct behavior, or nudge a > Swedish-speaking Finn this way. This patch doesn't seem to apply for me. Is it reversed? (I dropped it in debian/patches/localedata and added it to series with -p0, I hope that was the right way to do it). Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#511357: Be careful with #511357
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 04:08:37PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:12:25AM +0100, Jörgen Grahn wrote: > > I was unaware that SAOL was normative for collation order (it's barely > > normative as a dictionary). I can well imagine them choosing to split > > out 'w' for the purpose of their dictionary, without claiming that > > this is the all-purpose sv_SE collation rule. > > David, thoughts? True, SAOL isn't normative for collation order. Howver, claiming that SAOL is anything but normative as *the* dictionary for sv_SE is, pardon the expression, pure bullshit. The only other dictionary that has anything close to the same bearing on the Swedish language is SAOB, and that one is purely for historical purposes[1]. Anyway, there seem to be agreement on the tp-sv list that the change in SAOL is indicative of a change in collation order, and I was not the person who started the thread and suggested the change (I just reported it to Debian). The tp-sv list has moved recently though, and I cannot seem to find a list archive for the new list (though I guess/hope you're already subscribed to that list Jörgen, and that you'll voice your dissent there as well?). Regards: David [1] There are several *specialised* dictionaries for narrow fields, such as the word lists published by Tekniska nomenklaturcentralen, etc., but no other full dictionary. -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#489946: Slight correction
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:54:47PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 04:46:44PM +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > > Slight correction; Finnish time should indeed be written using HH.MM.SS; > > the part of the bug report concerning dates stand though. > > > > (so, just to be clear: DD.MM., HH.MM.SS). > > > > See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468849 > > for further reference, but note that this bug is about sv_FI, while that > > one is about fi_FI. > > Should all the LC_CTIME formats in sv_FI be the same as fi_FI? TTBOMK, yes. sv_FI should basically be Finnish formats (including Finnish collation rules, since the alphabet is the same), Swedish language. > If not, what should be different? Nothing, I hope :) Disclaimer: I'm certainly not an expert on the Finnish sublocale of Swedish; I just know what the date & time formats should be. Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#489946: Slight correction
Slight correction; Finnish time should indeed be written using HH.MM.SS; the part of the bug report concerning dates stand though. (so, just to be clear: DD.MM., HH.MM.SS). See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468849 for further reference, but note that this bug is about sv_FI, while that one is about fi_FI. Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#511357: Sorting wrong for sv_SE
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 02:02:26AM +, Clint Adams wrote: > Does this do the right thing for you? Yup! Thanks a million! BTW, I just noticed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506784 That bug is incorrect (though it used to be correct with the old collation rules for Swedish), and a comment with a reference to this bug should probably be made to it (closing it). Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#511357: Sorting wrong for sv_SE
Package: locales Version: 2.7-18 Until 2006, W was regarded as a variant of V, but when the 13th edition of SAOL (Svenska Akademiens OrdLista; the reference dictionary for the Swedish language) was introduced, W was a proper letter, after V in the alphabet[1]. This means that the reordering rule in sv_SE should be removed. Regards: David Weinehall [1] http://www.saol.se/saol13_pres.html Sorry that the reference link is only in Swedish, but news like this are unlikely to be printed in foreign newspapers... -- /) David Weinehall /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-glibc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#489960: date_fmt incorrect for sv_SE
Package: locales Version: 2.7-12 Severity: minor Tags: patch date_fmt uses the wrong time format for the Swedish locale; the included patch tries to fix this. The patch also moves the %Y to the same position it has in %c, and adds a few helpful comments while at it. Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ --- sv_SE.old 2008-07-09 01:17:05.0 +0300 +++ sv_SE 2008-07-09 01:28:06.0 +0300 @@ -169,14 +169,23 @@ "";/ "";/ "" +# +# Appropriate date and time representation (%c) +# "%a %e %b %Y %H.%M.%S" d_t_fmt "" +# +# Appropriate date representation (%x) "%Y-%m-%d" d_fmt "" +# +# Appropriate time representation (%X) "%H.%M.%S" t_fmt "" am_pm "";"" t_fmt_ampm "" -date_fmt "/ -/ -" +# +# Appropriate date representation (date(1)) "%a %e %b %Y %H.%M.%S %Z" +date_fmt "/ +/ +" first_weekday 2 first_workday 2 END LC_TIME -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#489946: Incorrect locale information for sv_FI
Package: locales Version: 2.7-12 Severity: minor The Swedish locale for Finland contains a few errors in the LC_TIME section; in Finland, dates are written using DD.MM., and times are written HH:MM:SS; the current sv_FI instead uses the formats used in Sweden (-MM-DD and HH.MM.SS, respectively). Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#256502: debian/generate-asm.sh contains XSI:isms
Package: linux-kernel-headers Version: 2.5.999-test7-bk-16 Severity: minor Tags: patch debian/generate-asm.sh contains use of the XSI:isms `-a' and `-o' in tests. This is technically a violation of policy. The included patch fixes this. Rationale: policy 10.4 http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/test.html Regards: David Weinehall diff -ur linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk-old/debian/generate-asm.sh linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk/debian/generate-asm.sh --- linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk-old/debian/generate-asm.sh 2004-06-27 17:19:15.0 +0300 +++ linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk/debian/generate-asm.sh 2004-06-27 17:21:20.0 +0300 @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ cd /usr/include fi -if [ ! -d asm-sparc -o ! -d asm-sparc64 ] ; then +if [ ! -d asm-sparc ] || [ ! -d asm-sparc64 ] ; then echo E: asm-sparc and asm-sparc64 must exist, or you will have problems exit 1 fi @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ EOF # common for sparc and sparc64 - if [ -f asm-sparc/$h -a -f asm-sparc64/$h ]; then + if [ -f asm-sparc/$h ] && [ -f asm-sparc64/$h ]; then cat >> asm/$h <
Bug#256502: debian/generate-asm.sh contains XSI:isms
Package: linux-kernel-headers Version: 2.5.999-test7-bk-16 Severity: minor Tags: patch debian/generate-asm.sh contains use of the XSI:isms `-a' and `-o' in tests. This is technically a violation of policy. The included patch fixes this. Rationale: policy 10.4 http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/test.html Regards: David Weinehall diff -ur linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk-old/debian/generate-asm.sh linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk/debian/generate-asm.sh --- linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk-old/debian/generate-asm.sh2004-06-27 17:19:15.0 +0300 +++ linux-kernel-headers-2.5.999-test7-bk/debian/generate-asm.sh2004-06-27 17:21:20.0 +0300 @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ cd /usr/include fi -if [ ! -d asm-sparc -o ! -d asm-sparc64 ] ; then +if [ ! -d asm-sparc ] || [ ! -d asm-sparc64 ] ; then echo E: asm-sparc and asm-sparc64 must exist, or you will have problems exit 1 fi @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ EOF # common for sparc and sparc64 - if [ -f asm-sparc/$h -a -f asm-sparc64/$h ]; then + if [ -f asm-sparc/$h ] && [ -f asm-sparc64/$h ]; then cat >> asm/$h < -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
