Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
Dear hppa gosus, Unfortunately I cannot offer any coding exp but since my success with the c8000 I tried to use it more and more. From my company I salvaged the following hw that I can offer you for the effort you are putting into this despite debian's decision... 4 c3600 1 c3700 1 c3750 2 b2000 3 c8000 (!) with pa8900 8 gig ram We could make them online for your purposes or send them to you. BR 2010/9/23 Thibaut VARÈNE vare...@debian.org Le 23 sept. 10 à 17:35, dann frazier a écrit : On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:21:11PM +0200, Thibaut VARÈNE wrote: I think it's been sufficiently documented on this m-l that hppa is/was in a releasable state (d-i works, upgrade works, etc) so this is mostly moot, and the cause of my personal disinterest for Debian given the way things were handled. By those measures, sure. However, there are still issues with building packages reliably - which I believe was the biggest strike against including hppa in squeeze. *sigh* PS: the autobuilder Lafayette is dead, and I see little reason to replace it with whatever hardware I could muster. ok - does DSA know? They do. Their reaction confirmed that I should probably not bother anymore... Also, I'm running short on hardware these days, now that my 2 L1000 are dead ;/ HTH -- Thibaut VARÈNE http://www.parisc-linux.org/~varenet/http://www.parisc-linux.org/%7Evarenet/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f36b69c7-83cf-4818-b47a-0849cbe4d...@debian.org
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
Hi, On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Németh Bálint pannonm...@gmail.com wrote: Dear hppa gosus, Unfortunately I cannot offer any coding exp but since my success with the c8000 I tried to use it more and more. From my company I salvaged the following hw that I can offer you for the effort you are putting into this despite debian's decision... 4 c3600 1 c3700 1 c3750 2 b2000 3 c8000 (!) with pa8900 8 gig ram We could make them online for your purposes or send them to you. These are indeed nice machines. Where are they located? Thanks -- Thibaut VARENE http://www.parisc-linux.org/~varenet/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimdrh8q12jjjgnbkwcabkq661htf_qcnv-3+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
Le 23 sept. 10 à 07:05, dann frazier a écrit : I don't have a complete list, but here's the things that pop to mind. First off, we need to figure out where to host it. We could potentially have a squeeze-hppa release on the official debian mirrors, or use debian-ports.org. We'll need to talk to ftpmaster debian-ports maintainers to see which is most appropriate. In addition, we'll need to work with the d-i team to make sure we have a usable installer - as well as the debian-cd team to make sure we can generate ISO images, though we may end up having to generate images ourselves. We'll also need to keep doing the things we do today - fixing hppa-specific issues, keeping buildds running, etc. Documentation, test installs and lenny upgrade testing would be needed too. I think it's been sufficiently documented on this m-l that hppa is/was in a releasable state (d-i works, upgrade works, etc) so this is mostly moot, and the cause of my personal disinterest for Debian given the way things were handled. Post-release, we'll need to have a plan for continued updates for squeeze security updates point releases. Besides making sure we build and update our hppa-squeeze release with whatever DSA uploads to security (which can probably be scripted somehow), is there anything else specific? If we have interest here, it would probably behoove us to pull together an IRC meeting with members from various subteams to assess the full scope. T-Bone PS: the autobuilder Lafayette is dead, and I see little reason to replace it with whatever hardware I could muster. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/fc3fa953-7ef5-4356-9ccf-a9392ef08...@debian.org
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:21:11PM +0200, Thibaut VARÈNE wrote: Le 23 sept. 10 à 07:05, dann frazier a écrit : I don't have a complete list, but here's the things that pop to mind. First off, we need to figure out where to host it. We could potentially have a squeeze-hppa release on the official debian mirrors, or use debian-ports.org. We'll need to talk to ftpmaster debian-ports maintainers to see which is most appropriate. In addition, we'll need to work with the d-i team to make sure we have a usable installer - as well as the debian-cd team to make sure we can generate ISO images, though we may end up having to generate images ourselves. We'll also need to keep doing the things we do today - fixing hppa-specific issues, keeping buildds running, etc. Documentation, test installs and lenny upgrade testing would be needed too. I think it's been sufficiently documented on this m-l that hppa is/was in a releasable state (d-i works, upgrade works, etc) so this is mostly moot, and the cause of my personal disinterest for Debian given the way things were handled. By those measures, sure. However, there are still issues with building packages reliably - which I believe was the biggest strike against including hppa in squeeze. Don't get me wrong, I know things have only improved - and that took a lot of work from this group - but the release team had to make a call based on the way things stood, not how much they improved. Now that the call has been made, I'd rather focus on what we can do to let hppa users keep usin'. Post-release, we'll need to have a plan for continued updates for squeeze security updates point releases. Besides making sure we build and update our hppa-squeeze release with whatever DSA uploads to security (which can probably be scripted somehow), is there anything else specific? Fixing bugs :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian-h...@lists.debian.org;which=tagdata=hppaarchive=no And particularly #561203, which is hopefully a keystone issue that will resolve several others. I've tried the various patches I'd seen posted to the list (and marked them a such on the wiki), but the reliability problems still persist on the buildds. (I'm hoping fixing this would also fix the 'waf' issues and the multiple retries it takes to build gcc, gdb, python, etc). I'm sure there are other specific things as well that would be uncovered by meeting w/ folks who have done this before (m68k/amd64 folks). If we have interest here, it would probably behoove us to pull together an IRC meeting with members from various subteams to assess the full scope. T-Bone PS: the autobuilder Lafayette is dead, and I see little reason to replace it with whatever hardware I could muster. ok - does DSA know? -- dann frazier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100923153500.gb8...@lackof.org
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
Le 23 sept. 10 à 17:35, dann frazier a écrit : On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:21:11PM +0200, Thibaut VARÈNE wrote: I think it's been sufficiently documented on this m-l that hppa is/ was in a releasable state (d-i works, upgrade works, etc) so this is mostly moot, and the cause of my personal disinterest for Debian given the way things were handled. By those measures, sure. However, there are still issues with building packages reliably - which I believe was the biggest strike against including hppa in squeeze. *sigh* PS: the autobuilder Lafayette is dead, and I see little reason to replace it with whatever hardware I could muster. ok - does DSA know? They do. Their reaction confirmed that I should probably not bother anymore... Also, I'm running short on hardware these days, now that my 2 L1000 are dead ;/ HTH -- Thibaut VARÈNE http://www.parisc-linux.org/~varenet/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f36b69c7-83cf-4818-b47a-0849cbe4d...@debian.org
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
On 2010-09-23, Thibaut VARÈNE vare...@debian.org wrote: I think it's been sufficiently documented on this m-l that hppa is/was in a releasable state (d-i works, upgrade works, etc) so this is mostly moot, and the cause of my personal disinterest for Debian given the way things were handled. as long as we need to have a usleep(1000) in the threading code in Qt for happa because of lowlevel bugs in order to just have things working a bit, I don't think hppa is in a releasable state. I haven't heard of any progress on that issue for very long. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrni9ng2b.rvp.nos...@sshway.ssh.pusling.com
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
On 09/21/2010 11:34 PM, dann frazier wrote: [replying to debian-hppa] On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:22:22PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Hi, As previously announced[1], hppa is no longer a release architecture for Squeeze. What does this mean in practical terms? As of the next britney run, the architecture will be ignored for the purposes of testing migration - packages which are otherwise ready (and unblocked) may migrate to testing even if they have not built on hppa, or if they would create installability problems in testing on hppa. Additionally, any bug which is specific to the hppa architecture is no longer considered release-critical. The status of hppa in unstable is unchanged; it will continue to be supported by the buildd network as now. There will also continue to be hppa packages in testing for now to allow the porters to explore possible options for a separate release of Squeeze for hppa; as mentioned above, these may not be in-sync with the other architectures in some cases. Are there people interested in working on a squeeze-hppa release? If so, it would probably be good to formulate a plan sooner than later. fwiw, I'd be wililng to continue maintaining buildds for it. Dann, is there a way one can contribute if one hasn't access to a HPPA machine? If yes, I'd like to help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9a1f43.6000...@gmail.com
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 06:22:43PM +0300, Aioanei Rares wrote: On 09/21/2010 11:34 PM, dann frazier wrote: [replying to debian-hppa] On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:22:22PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Hi, As previously announced[1], hppa is no longer a release architecture for Squeeze. What does this mean in practical terms? As of the next britney run, the architecture will be ignored for the purposes of testing migration - packages which are otherwise ready (and unblocked) may migrate to testing even if they have not built on hppa, or if they would create installability problems in testing on hppa. Additionally, any bug which is specific to the hppa architecture is no longer considered release-critical. The status of hppa in unstable is unchanged; it will continue to be supported by the buildd network as now. There will also continue to be hppa packages in testing for now to allow the porters to explore possible options for a separate release of Squeeze for hppa; as mentioned above, these may not be in-sync with the other architectures in some cases. Are there people interested in working on a squeeze-hppa release? If so, it would probably be good to formulate a plan sooner than later. fwiw, I'd be wililng to continue maintaining buildds for it. Dann, is there a way one can contribute if one hasn't access to a HPPA machine? If yes, I'd like to help. I don't have any specific ideas as to how but, should this project take off, you could continue to monitor this list for possibilities. I'd imagine there'd be a need for documentation at the very least. -- dann frazier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100922203239.gb8...@lackof.org
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:34 PM, dann frazier da...@debian.org wrote: [replying to debian-hppa] On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:22:22PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Hi, As previously announced[1], hppa is no longer a release architecture for Squeeze. What does this mean in practical terms? As of the next britney run, the architecture will be ignored for the purposes of testing migration - packages which are otherwise ready (and unblocked) may migrate to testing even if they have not built on hppa, or if they would create installability problems in testing on hppa. Additionally, any bug which is specific to the hppa architecture is no longer considered release-critical. The status of hppa in unstable is unchanged; it will continue to be supported by the buildd network as now. There will also continue to be hppa packages in testing for now to allow the porters to explore possible options for a separate release of Squeeze for hppa; as mentioned above, these may not be in-sync with the other architectures in some cases. Are there people interested in working on a squeeze-hppa release? If so, it would probably be good to formulate a plan sooner than later. fwiw, I'd be wililng to continue maintaining buildds for it. What work is involved? Is there a todo list of things we can have people sign up for? Cheers, Carlos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik3qyqz9v9qfe0-ojrhhsnf5d1m-plktcws7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:23:38PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:34 PM, dann frazier da...@debian.org wrote: [replying to debian-hppa] On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:22:22PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Hi, As previously announced[1], hppa is no longer a release architecture for Squeeze. What does this mean in practical terms? As of the next britney run, the architecture will be ignored for the purposes of testing migration - packages which are otherwise ready (and unblocked) may migrate to testing even if they have not built on hppa, or if they would create installability problems in testing on hppa. Additionally, any bug which is specific to the hppa architecture is no longer considered release-critical. The status of hppa in unstable is unchanged; it will continue to be supported by the buildd network as now. There will also continue to be hppa packages in testing for now to allow the porters to explore possible options for a separate release of Squeeze for hppa; as mentioned above, these may not be in-sync with the other architectures in some cases. Are there people interested in working on a squeeze-hppa release? If so, it would probably be good to formulate a plan sooner than later. fwiw, I'd be wililng to continue maintaining buildds for it. What work is involved? Is there a todo list of things we can have people sign up for? I don't have a complete list, but here's the things that pop to mind. First off, we need to figure out where to host it. We could potentially have a squeeze-hppa release on the official debian mirrors, or use debian-ports.org. We'll need to talk to ftpmaster debian-ports maintainers to see which is most appropriate. In addition, we'll need to work with the d-i team to make sure we have a usable installer - as well as the debian-cd team to make sure we can generate ISO images, though we may end up having to generate images ourselves. We'll also need to keep doing the things we do today - fixing hppa-specific issues, keeping buildds running, etc. Documentation, test installs and lenny upgrade testing would be needed too. Post-release, we'll need to have a plan for continued updates for squeeze security updates point releases. If we have interest here, it would probably behoove us to pull together an IRC meeting with members from various subteams to assess the full scope. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100923050537.ga8...@lackof.org
Re: Bit from the Release Team: Status of hppa
[replying to debian-hppa] On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:22:22PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Hi, As previously announced[1], hppa is no longer a release architecture for Squeeze. What does this mean in practical terms? As of the next britney run, the architecture will be ignored for the purposes of testing migration - packages which are otherwise ready (and unblocked) may migrate to testing even if they have not built on hppa, or if they would create installability problems in testing on hppa. Additionally, any bug which is specific to the hppa architecture is no longer considered release-critical. The status of hppa in unstable is unchanged; it will continue to be supported by the buildd network as now. There will also continue to be hppa packages in testing for now to allow the porters to explore possible options for a separate release of Squeeze for hppa; as mentioned above, these may not be in-sync with the other architectures in some cases. Are there people interested in working on a squeeze-hppa release? If so, it would probably be good to formulate a plan sooner than later. fwiw, I'd be wililng to continue maintaining buildds for it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-hppa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100921203407.ge...@lackof.org
