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Re: Being new to Debian...

2002-11-16 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 22:22, Sonny Kupka wrote:
 Being new to Debian distro, I was just wondering what people's thoughts 
 were on running testing in a ISP environment on a main server..
 
 I don't want bleeding edge I just want up to date software on my servers..

If you're new to Debian, I woudn't.

Start with stable until you're familiar with Debian. When you know the
basic things about the packaging systems, read the apt_preferences man
page: you can easily run stable and install some important software from
testing.

Remember: testing does *not* have security support. If a security issue
is discovered, it's solved for stable, and probably very quickly in
unstable, too. testing takes at least 3 days (often more) to catch up -
so you'll be installing things from unstable - this may work or it may
not...

cheers
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Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Peter Billson
Hey *,
  I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was wondering if anyone has 
any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know before the move.

  Thanks in advance.

Pete


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Re: Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Victor Felix
Pete,

I just recently move to bind9, and the only thing that was a little
unexpected, is that ndc has apparently been replaced with rndc, and you
need an rndc.conf. It was relatively easy to configure these from the
documentation. Just be aware that if you have any scripts or anything
that depends on ndc, they will probably fail...

-Victor

On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 15:19, Peter Billson wrote:
 Hey *,
   I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was wondering if anyone 
has any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know before the move.
 
   Thanks in advance.
 
 Pete
 
 
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Re: New BIND 4 8 Vulnerabilities

2002-11-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:46:14PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
 the main thing i'm worried about is that bind9 had enormous memory leaks when
 i tried 9.0 several months ago.  i hope they're fixed now.

FYI, doesn't look like the memory leaks have been fixed:

# ps v -Cnamed
  PID TTY  STAT   TIME  MAJFL   TRS   DRS  RSS %MEM COMMAND
 6799 ?S  0:00111   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6801 ?S  0:00  0   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6802 ?S466:10   2757   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6803 ?S  0:04  1   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6804 ?R 49:56  1   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind


this is on a machine where bind 8 used to use about 150MB.  bind 9 has been
running for only 4 days.


i'm going to revert back to bind 8 now that the patched 8.3.3-3 has been
uploaded to unstable.



craig

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Re: Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 03:19:02PM -0500, Peter Billson wrote:
   I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was
   wondering if anyone has any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know
   before the move.

bind 9 will use a LOT more memory than bind 8.  at least double or
triple the memory.

i'd advise upgrading to the latest bind 8 instead and configuring it to
run as user/group 'bind' rather than root.

 - install the latest bind 8.3.3 package, which has been patched against
   the recent vulnerability.

 - create a user and group called bind

 - chown -R bind.bind /var/cache/bind/

 - create or edit /etc/default/bind to look like:

   OPTIONS=-u bind -g bind

 - restart bind with /etc/init.d/bind restart.

read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/bind before doing this.  there
are some things that bind can't do when running as a non-root user (e.g.
it can't bind to new/dynamic IP addresses.  not a problem on a static ip
server, but requires a bind restart if your link is dialup/dsl/cable/etc
and your IP changes).

craig

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Re: Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Nate Campi
On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 03:21:38PM -0500, Victor Felix wrote:
 
 I just recently move to bind9, and the only thing that was a little
 unexpected, is that ndc has apparently been replaced with rndc, and you
 need an rndc.conf. It was relatively easy to configure these from the
 documentation. Just be aware that if you have any scripts or anything
 that depends on ndc, they will probably fail...
 
 On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 15:19, Peter Billson wrote:
  Hey *,
I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was wondering if anyone 
has any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know before the move.
  

A good way to setup rndc is to run 'rndc-confgen -a' which will create
/etc/rndc.key, which rndc and named will use to negotiate a control
channel between them. Comment out the controls section in your bind8
named.conf and odds are that you won't need to make a single other
change to your old named.conf. 

As long as your zone files start with a $TTL line (which has been
required since BIND 8.2 or 8.3, can't remember which off the top of my
head) you should be able to run BIND 9. Ignore syslog messages about
obsolete directives in named.conf until you're sure you're sticking with
BIND 9, at which point you can remove the offending lines (BIND 9 just
ignores them, so it hurts nothing to leave them).

Cricket Liu just authored a DNS  BIND Cookbook, which will help with
all this little stuff we're covering here. It's worth the money if
you run BIND anywhere on your network.
-- 
Nate Campi   http://www.campin.net 

I trust Microsoft. 
I trust them to be spectacularly unable to get anything right,
including and especially hard things like large-scale industrial
espionage. Sure, they'll make clownish, clumsy stabs at it and fail in
predictable, amusing and embarassing ways, and then do it all over
again. And their victi^H^H users will not only forgive them but spend
a lot of energy making up excuses for them.  




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Re: Being new to Debian...

2002-11-16 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 22:22, Sonny Kupka wrote:
 Being new to Debian distro, I was just wondering what people's thoughts 
 were on running testing in a ISP environment on a main server..
 
 I don't want bleeding edge I just want up to date software on my servers..

If you're new to Debian, I woudn't.

Start with stable until you're familiar with Debian. When you know the
basic things about the packaging systems, read the apt_preferences man
page: you can easily run stable and install some important software from
testing.

Remember: testing does *not* have security support. If a security issue
is discovered, it's solved for stable, and probably very quickly in
unstable, too. testing takes at least 3 days (often more) to catch up -
so you'll be installing things from unstable - this may work or it may
not...

cheers
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Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Peter Billson
Hey *,
  I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was wondering if 
anyone has any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know before the move.

  Thanks in advance.

Pete




Re: Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Victor Felix
Pete,

I just recently move to bind9, and the only thing that was a little
unexpected, is that ndc has apparently been replaced with rndc, and you
need an rndc.conf. It was relatively easy to configure these from the
documentation. Just be aware that if you have any scripts or anything
that depends on ndc, they will probably fail...

-Victor

On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 15:19, Peter Billson wrote:
 Hey *,
   I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was wondering if 
 anyone has any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know before the move.
 
   Thanks in advance.
 
 Pete
 
 
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Re: New BIND 4 8 Vulnerabilities

2002-11-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:46:14PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
 the main thing i'm worried about is that bind9 had enormous memory leaks when
 i tried 9.0 several months ago.  i hope they're fixed now.

FYI, doesn't look like the memory leaks have been fixed:

# ps v -Cnamed
  PID TTY  STAT   TIME  MAJFL   TRS   DRS  RSS %MEM COMMAND
 6799 ?S  0:00111   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6801 ?S  0:00  0   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6802 ?S466:10   2757   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6803 ?S  0:04  1   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
 6804 ?R 49:56  1   232 336175 200968 39.1 /usr/sbin/named -u bind


this is on a machine where bind 8 used to use about 150MB.  bind 9 has been
running for only 4 days.


i'm going to revert back to bind 8 now that the patched 8.3.3-3 has been
uploaded to unstable.



craig

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Re: Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 03:19:02PM -0500, Peter Billson wrote:
   I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was
   wondering if anyone has any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know
   before the move.

bind 9 will use a LOT more memory than bind 8.  at least double or
triple the memory.

i'd advise upgrading to the latest bind 8 instead and configuring it to
run as user/group 'bind' rather than root.

 - install the latest bind 8.3.3 package, which has been patched against
   the recent vulnerability.

 - create a user and group called bind

 - chown -R bind.bind /var/cache/bind/

 - create or edit /etc/default/bind to look like:

   OPTIONS=-u bind -g bind

 - restart bind with /etc/init.d/bind restart.

read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/bind before doing this.  there
are some things that bind can't do when running as a non-root user (e.g.
it can't bind to new/dynamic IP addresses.  not a problem on a static ip
server, but requires a bind restart if your link is dialup/dsl/cable/etc
and your IP changes).

craig

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Fabricati Diem, PVNC.
 -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch




Re: Bind8 to Bind9

2002-11-16 Thread Nate Campi
On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 03:21:38PM -0500, Victor Felix wrote:
 
 I just recently move to bind9, and the only thing that was a little
 unexpected, is that ndc has apparently been replaced with rndc, and you
 need an rndc.conf. It was relatively easy to configure these from the
 documentation. Just be aware that if you have any scripts or anything
 that depends on ndc, they will probably fail...
 
 On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 15:19, Peter Billson wrote:
  Hey *,
I am planning the move from Bind8 to Bind9 on woody and was wondering if 
  anyone has any tips, gotchas or pointers I should know before the move.
  

A good way to setup rndc is to run 'rndc-confgen -a' which will create
/etc/rndc.key, which rndc and named will use to negotiate a control
channel between them. Comment out the controls section in your bind8
named.conf and odds are that you won't need to make a single other
change to your old named.conf. 

As long as your zone files start with a $TTL line (which has been
required since BIND 8.2 or 8.3, can't remember which off the top of my
head) you should be able to run BIND 9. Ignore syslog messages about
obsolete directives in named.conf until you're sure you're sticking with
BIND 9, at which point you can remove the offending lines (BIND 9 just
ignores them, so it hurts nothing to leave them).

Cricket Liu just authored a DNS  BIND Cookbook, which will help with
all this little stuff we're covering here. It's worth the money if
you run BIND anywhere on your network.
-- 
Nate Campi   http://www.campin.net 

I trust Microsoft. 
I trust them to be spectacularly unable to get anything right,
including and especially hard things like large-scale industrial
espionage. Sure, they'll make clownish, clumsy stabs at it and fail in
predictable, amusing and embarassing ways, and then do it all over
again. And their victi^H^H users will not only forgive them but spend
a lot of energy making up excuses for them.  



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