Re: Sendmail>MailScanner>SpamAssassin:WebMin
Hello Dave, /etc/mailscanner is artifact from stable. try 'dpkg -s /etc/mailscanner/mailscanner.conf' to verify package ownership, then 'dpkg --purge mailscanner' to rid yourself of it. Note that this will also remove any later versions, like your current testing package. Now, for the backport. The mailscanner 4.26.7 debian testing/unstable needs a bit more magic than prior versions for backporting, as pulls some ucf magic that doesn't work on stable's version of ucf. Luckly, this can all be worked around by making package changes. Use the debian/rules and debian/control files appended below the signature, and you should be off to the races. Other little details on how I build my backports for mailscanner: apt-get -t unstable source mailscanner (/etc/apt/sources.list has stable deb sources, and unstable deb-src entries) cd mailscanner-4.26.7 dch -i vi debian/rules vi debian/control make -f debian/rules clean make -f debian/rules binary If all goes well, you'll have a much happier mailscanner package. Edit /etc/MailScanner/MailScanner.conf, then /etc/default/mailscanner prior to starting. You will also need a backport of libnet-cidr-perl-0.09 for MailScanner 4.26.7 to work. It also needs some magic in debian/rules and debian/control. You could get this using CPAN, but that defeats the purpose of a package management system. I can't help you with the webmin plugin as I hit the configuration files directly, but I'll assume that you'll need it's testing/unstable equivalent. You'll also want to ensure that 'Notify Senders = no' in MailScanner.conf. The package and upstream have this set to 'yes', which is a *major* source of spam. I've filed a bug report with the package maintainer to have this defaulted to 'no', but I'm unsure if he'll act on it. Finally, if you use sendmail, you'll need to setup two daemons, one to send the inbound mail through to a queue directory for MailScanner, and another to deliver once mailscanner is done. See the sendmail start script below. Good luck, feel free to contact me if you have any other issues. -- Martin Foster Phone: +61 3 9674 7500 Systems Engineer P A C I F I CFax: +61 3 9698 4959 Pacific Internet (Australia) I N T E R N E T http://www.pacific.net.au/ NASDAQ: PCNTF ---[MailScanner debian/rules]-- #!/usr/bin/make -f # Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper. # GNU copyright 1997 to 1999 by Joey Hess. # Uncomment this to turn on verbose mode. #export DH_VERBOSE=1 # This is the debhelper compatability version to use. export DH_COMPAT=4 p = mailscanner d = debian/$(p) PWD = $(shell pwd) patch_stamp = patch-stamp patchdir = debian/patches build: $(patch_stamp) build-stamp build-stamp: dh_testdir : # don't build anything touch build-stamp clean: unpatch dh_testdir dh_testroot rm -f *-stamp rm -rf bin/tnef* rm -rf ../$(shell basename $(PWD)).orig/bin/tnef* -find . ../$(shell basename $(PWD)).orig -name '.#*' | xargs rm -f dh_clean install: build dh_testdir dh_testroot dh_clean -k dh_installdirs \ usr/sbin \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/html \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/examples \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/exim \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/sendmail \ usr/share/man/man5 \ usr/share/man/man8 \ usr/share/MailScanner \ etc \ etc/default \ etc/cron.daily \ var/lock/subsys \ var/run/MailScanner \ var/lib/MailScanner \ var/spool/MailScanner/archive \ var/spool/MailScanner/incoming \ var/spool/MailScanner/quarantine # cp -p bin/MailScanner $(d)/usr/sbin/ sed -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/lib,/usr/share/MailScanner,g' \ bin/MailScanner > $(d)/usr/sbin/MailScanner chmod 755 $(d)/usr/sbin/MailScanner sed -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/bin,/usr/sbin,g' \ -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/etc,/etc/MailScanner,g' \ bin/check_mailscanner > $(d)/usr/sbin/check_mailscanner chmod 755 $(d)/usr/sbin/check_mailscanner cp -p bin/df2mbox $(d)/usr/sbin/ cp -p bin/upgrade_MailScanner_conf $(d)/usr/sbin/ pod2man --section=8 bin/upgrade_MailScanner_conf --center=MailScanner \ > $(d)/usr/share/man/man8/upgrade_MailScanner_conf.8 sed -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/bin,/usr/sbin,g' \ -e 's,/tmp/MailScanner,/var/lock/subsys/MailScanner,g' \ bin/update_virus_scanners > $(d)/usr/sbin/update_virus_scanners chmod 755 $(d)/usr/sbin/update_virus_scanners chown mail.mail $(d)/var/lib/MailScanner chmod 750 $(d)/var/lib/MailScanner
Re: Sendmail>MailScanner>SpamAssassin:WebMin
Hello Dave, /etc/mailscanner is artifact from stable. try 'dpkg -s /etc/mailscanner/mailscanner.conf' to verify package ownership, then 'dpkg --purge mailscanner' to rid yourself of it. Note that this will also remove any later versions, like your current testing package. Now, for the backport. The mailscanner 4.26.7 debian testing/unstable needs a bit more magic than prior versions for backporting, as pulls some ucf magic that doesn't work on stable's version of ucf. Luckly, this can all be worked around by making package changes. Use the debian/rules and debian/control files appended below the signature, and you should be off to the races. Other little details on how I build my backports for mailscanner: apt-get -t unstable source mailscanner (/etc/apt/sources.list has stable deb sources, and unstable deb-src entries) cd mailscanner-4.26.7 dch -i vi debian/rules vi debian/control make -f debian/rules clean make -f debian/rules binary If all goes well, you'll have a much happier mailscanner package. Edit /etc/MailScanner/MailScanner.conf, then /etc/default/mailscanner prior to starting. You will also need a backport of libnet-cidr-perl-0.09 for MailScanner 4.26.7 to work. It also needs some magic in debian/rules and debian/control. You could get this using CPAN, but that defeats the purpose of a package management system. I can't help you with the webmin plugin as I hit the configuration files directly, but I'll assume that you'll need it's testing/unstable equivalent. You'll also want to ensure that 'Notify Senders = no' in MailScanner.conf. The package and upstream have this set to 'yes', which is a *major* source of spam. I've filed a bug report with the package maintainer to have this defaulted to 'no', but I'm unsure if he'll act on it. Finally, if you use sendmail, you'll need to setup two daemons, one to send the inbound mail through to a queue directory for MailScanner, and another to deliver once mailscanner is done. See the sendmail start script below. Good luck, feel free to contact me if you have any other issues. -- Martin Foster Phone: +61 3 9674 7500 Systems Engineer P A C I F I CFax: +61 3 9698 4959 Pacific Internet (Australia) I N T E R N E T http://www.pacific.net.au/ NASDAQ: PCNTF ---[MailScanner debian/rules]-- #!/usr/bin/make -f # Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper. # GNU copyright 1997 to 1999 by Joey Hess. # Uncomment this to turn on verbose mode. #export DH_VERBOSE=1 # This is the debhelper compatability version to use. export DH_COMPAT=4 p = mailscanner d = debian/$(p) PWD = $(shell pwd) patch_stamp = patch-stamp patchdir = debian/patches build: $(patch_stamp) build-stamp build-stamp: dh_testdir : # don't build anything touch build-stamp clean: unpatch dh_testdir dh_testroot rm -f *-stamp rm -rf bin/tnef* rm -rf ../$(shell basename $(PWD)).orig/bin/tnef* -find . ../$(shell basename $(PWD)).orig -name '.#*' | xargs rm -f dh_clean install: build dh_testdir dh_testroot dh_clean -k dh_installdirs \ usr/sbin \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/html \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/examples \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/exim \ usr/share/doc/mailscanner/sendmail \ usr/share/man/man5 \ usr/share/man/man8 \ usr/share/MailScanner \ etc \ etc/default \ etc/cron.daily \ var/lock/subsys \ var/run/MailScanner \ var/lib/MailScanner \ var/spool/MailScanner/archive \ var/spool/MailScanner/incoming \ var/spool/MailScanner/quarantine # cp -p bin/MailScanner $(d)/usr/sbin/ sed -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/lib,/usr/share/MailScanner,g' \ bin/MailScanner > $(d)/usr/sbin/MailScanner chmod 755 $(d)/usr/sbin/MailScanner sed -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/bin,/usr/sbin,g' \ -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/etc,/etc/MailScanner,g' \ bin/check_mailscanner > $(d)/usr/sbin/check_mailscanner chmod 755 $(d)/usr/sbin/check_mailscanner cp -p bin/df2mbox $(d)/usr/sbin/ cp -p bin/upgrade_MailScanner_conf $(d)/usr/sbin/ pod2man --section=8 bin/upgrade_MailScanner_conf --center=MailScanner \ > $(d)/usr/share/man/man8/upgrade_MailScanner_conf.8 sed -e 's,/opt/MailScanner/bin,/usr/sbin,g' \ -e 's,/tmp/MailScanner,/var/lock/subsys/MailScanner,g' \ bin/update_virus_scanners > $(d)/usr/sbin/update_virus_scanners chmod 755 $(d)/usr/sbin/update_virus_scanners chown mail.mail $(d)/var/lib/MailScanner chmod 750 $(d)/var/lib/MailScann
RE: HTTP latency ..urgent
Hi, Another piece of software which will do this and much more is called smokeping, it also graphs the results for you. Here is the URL http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/smokeping/ Cheers Roger Lynch Voice Network Support IT Services, CSIRO Phone: (02) 6276 6679 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2004 9:39 PM To: suhail Cc: firewall1 debian; isp debian Subject: Re: HTTP latency ..urgent On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 01:40:00AM -0800, suhail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 35 lines which said: > I am performing an experiment of effects of DDoS attacks on certain > metrics like HTTP web latency , DNS latency. I need to know how does > one measure the HTTP latency(time between issuing a HTTP request and > receiving the response) in Linux. http://echoping.sourceforge.net/"; command="apt-get install echoping"/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: HTTP latency ..urgent
Hi, Another piece of software which will do this and much more is called smokeping, it also graphs the results for you. Here is the URL http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/smokeping/ Cheers Roger Lynch Voice Network Support IT Services, CSIRO Phone: (02) 6276 6679 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2004 9:39 PM To: suhail Cc: firewall1 debian; isp debian Subject: Re: HTTP latency ..urgent On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 01:40:00AM -0800, suhail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 35 lines which said: > I am performing an experiment of effects of DDoS attacks on certain > metrics like HTTP web latency , DNS latency. I need to know how does > one measure the HTTP latency(time between issuing a HTTP request and > receiving the response) in Linux. http://echoping.sourceforge.net/"; command="apt-get install echoping"/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendmail>MailScanner>SpamAssassin:WebMin
Hi We are setting up a Mailhub for our hosting clients, want to send mail to our Debian box, Woody with BF4, and then redirect mail to the hosting/email servers (we use Cobalt Raq's for the clients.) We installed sendmail from stable, Mailscanner and SpamAssassin from Testing using the instructions from the MailScanner website. We felt we did everything correct except now we see 2 directories for MailScanner /etc/MailScanner /etc/mailscanner I am thinking we want the /etc/MailScanner as the true dir. Is this some left over items from doing the MailScanner install from stable first, then removing with apt and doing a testing install?? This was the method they recommended at MailScanner. Webmin seems to be picking up the lower case mail scanner. But when we go in to make modifications it kills MailScanner with the following error Cannot open config file /opt/MailScanner/etc/MailScanner.conf, no such file or directory at /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Config.pm line 535. Anyone have any hints or help to aid us?? -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net
Sendmail>MailScanner>SpamAssassin:WebMin
Hi We are setting up a Mailhub for our hosting clients, want to send mail to our Debian box, Woody with BF4, and then redirect mail to the hosting/email servers (we use Cobalt Raq's for the clients.) We installed sendmail from stable, Mailscanner and SpamAssassin from Testing using the instructions from the MailScanner website. We felt we did everything correct except now we see 2 directories for MailScanner /etc/MailScanner /etc/mailscanner I am thinking we want the /etc/MailScanner as the true dir. Is this some left over items from doing the MailScanner install from stable first, then removing with apt and doing a testing install?? This was the method they recommended at MailScanner. Webmin seems to be picking up the lower case mail scanner. But when we go in to make modifications it kills MailScanner with the following error Cannot open config file /opt/MailScanner/etc/MailScanner.conf, no such file or directory at /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Config.pm line 535. Anyone have any hints or help to aid us?? -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP Nuke 7.0
Quick update . . . After sitting here thinking about it for a moment, I did ifconfig and got the ip number of the ppp0 connection and accessed that. It was able to make the username without it reverting to null, but wouldn't accept the activation unless I changed the link to show the IP number and not tactful.ods.org. Is it beginning to sound like a DNS/Apache issue ? Any hints would be appreciated. Regards, Richard - Original Message - From: "Richard Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: PHP Nuke 7.0 > I am using debian 3.0, updated to testing. > > The problem I have is when the site is accessed over the Internet, and > someone tries to create a new user, the username they have chosen is wiped > out and " null " is in it's place. > > The problem doesn't occur when accessing it via the LAN. > > At first it was the wrong version of PHP at fault ( I thought ) which > neccessitated the change to testing for the later version. > > The domain name is through ods.org, and resolves fine for email & ssh, and > apache > > http://tactful.ods.org/uptime.html ud display > > http://tactful.ods.org/phpsysinfo/sysinfo - so I know PHP is working > > http://tactful.ods.org/server-info > http://tactful.ods.org/server-statusapache info - enabled so you can > look to help :) > > http://tactful.ods.org/ > http://tactful.ods.org/tlctechnology/the two websites not working so > far > > I think it can be one of the following :- > > 1.Networking - problem with using localhost > > 2.MySQL Config - do I need to make any adjustments to .conf files ? > > 3.I should stick to html > > http://phpnuke.org is the website I got it from originally. > > Any comments or suggestions would be highly appreciated. > > Regards, > Richard > > (no comments about posting from XP - please ) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
PHP Nuke 7.0
I am using debian 3.0, updated to testing. The problem I have is when the site is accessed over the Internet, and someone tries to create a new user, the username they have chosen is wiped out and " null " is in it's place. The problem doesn't occur when accessing it via the LAN. At first it was the wrong version of PHP at fault ( I thought ) which neccessitated the change to testing for the later version. The domain name is through ods.org, and resolves fine for email & ssh, and apache http://tactful.ods.org/uptime.html ud display http://tactful.ods.org/phpsysinfo/sysinfo - so I know PHP is working http://tactful.ods.org/server-info http://tactful.ods.org/server-statusapache info - enabled so you can look to help :) http://tactful.ods.org/ http://tactful.ods.org/tlctechnology/the two websites not working so far I think it can be one of the following :- 1.Networking - problem with using localhost 2.MySQL Config - do I need to make any adjustments to .conf files ? 3.I should stick to html http://phpnuke.org is the website I got it from originally. Any comments or suggestions would be highly appreciated. Regards, Richard (no comments about posting from XP - please )
Re: protecting mail server from DOS
Words by Lucas Albers [Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 12:25:17AM -0700]: > Just recently I had my mail server swamped by a single virus machine that > kept resending a virus message, ignoring my 5xx rejection code. > > Is it possbile to block this via an iptables smtp max connection throttle > code? > > How do you handle this? > Via iptables?, or via qmail/postfix/exim/sendmail internal coding? > Null route 'em. That will keep them busy for quite a long time. > Does anyone else encounter this problem on a regular basis? No. And I find it hard that a client machine can so easily disturb your service. > How do you solve this? > null route. -- Jose Celestino | http://xpto.org/~japc/files/japc-pgpkey.asc "...the law, cold and aloof by its very nature, has no access to the passions that might justify the cruel act of murder." -- SADE
Re: HTTP latency ..urgent
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 01:40:00AM -0800, suhail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 35 lines which said: > I am performing an experiment of effects of DDoS attacks on certain > metrics like HTTP web latency , DNS latency. I need to know how does > one measure the HTTP latency(time between issuing a HTTP request and > receiving the response) in Linux. http://echoping.sourceforge.net/"; command="apt-get install echoping"/>
Re: PHP Nuke 7.0
Quick update . . . After sitting here thinking about it for a moment, I did ifconfig and got the ip number of the ppp0 connection and accessed that. It was able to make the username without it reverting to null, but wouldn't accept the activation unless I changed the link to show the IP number and not tactful.ods.org. Is it beginning to sound like a DNS/Apache issue ? Any hints would be appreciated. Regards, Richard - Original Message - From: "Richard Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: PHP Nuke 7.0 > I am using debian 3.0, updated to testing. > > The problem I have is when the site is accessed over the Internet, and > someone tries to create a new user, the username they have chosen is wiped > out and " null " is in it's place. > > The problem doesn't occur when accessing it via the LAN. > > At first it was the wrong version of PHP at fault ( I thought ) which > neccessitated the change to testing for the later version. > > The domain name is through ods.org, and resolves fine for email & ssh, and > apache > > http://tactful.ods.org/uptime.html ud display > > http://tactful.ods.org/phpsysinfo/sysinfo - so I know PHP is working > > http://tactful.ods.org/server-info > http://tactful.ods.org/server-statusapache info - enabled so you can > look to help :) > > http://tactful.ods.org/ > http://tactful.ods.org/tlctechnology/the two websites not working so > far > > I think it can be one of the following :- > > 1.Networking - problem with using localhost > > 2.MySQL Config - do I need to make any adjustments to .conf files ? > > 3.I should stick to html > > http://phpnuke.org is the website I got it from originally. > > Any comments or suggestions would be highly appreciated. > > Regards, > Richard > > (no comments about posting from XP - please ) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHP Nuke 7.0
I am using debian 3.0, updated to testing. The problem I have is when the site is accessed over the Internet, and someone tries to create a new user, the username they have chosen is wiped out and " null " is in it's place. The problem doesn't occur when accessing it via the LAN. At first it was the wrong version of PHP at fault ( I thought ) which neccessitated the change to testing for the later version. The domain name is through ods.org, and resolves fine for email & ssh, and apache http://tactful.ods.org/uptime.html ud display http://tactful.ods.org/phpsysinfo/sysinfo - so I know PHP is working http://tactful.ods.org/server-info http://tactful.ods.org/server-statusapache info - enabled so you can look to help :) http://tactful.ods.org/ http://tactful.ods.org/tlctechnology/the two websites not working so far I think it can be one of the following :- 1.Networking - problem with using localhost 2.MySQL Config - do I need to make any adjustments to .conf files ? 3.I should stick to html http://phpnuke.org is the website I got it from originally. Any comments or suggestions would be highly appreciated. Regards, Richard (no comments about posting from XP - please ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: protecting mail server from DOS
Words by Lucas Albers [Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 12:25:17AM -0700]: > Just recently I had my mail server swamped by a single virus machine that > kept resending a virus message, ignoring my 5xx rejection code. > > Is it possbile to block this via an iptables smtp max connection throttle > code? > > How do you handle this? > Via iptables?, or via qmail/postfix/exim/sendmail internal coding? > Null route 'em. That will keep them busy for quite a long time. > Does anyone else encounter this problem on a regular basis? No. And I find it hard that a client machine can so easily disturb your service. > How do you solve this? > null route. -- Jose Celestino | http://xpto.org/~japc/files/japc-pgpkey.asc "...the law, cold and aloof by its very nature, has no access to the passions that might justify the cruel act of murder." -- SADE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTTP latency ..urgent
Hi, I am performing an experiment of effects of DDoS attacks on certain metrics like HTTP web latency , DNS latency. I need to know how does one measure the HTTP latency(time between issuing a HTTP request and receiving the response) in Linux. I would also be happy if anyone could suggest any other metrics which one can measure that would be affected in a DDoS scenarios. Help truly truly appreciated. Thanks, Suhail. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
Re: HTTP latency ..urgent
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 01:40:00AM -0800, suhail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 35 lines which said: > I am performing an experiment of effects of DDoS attacks on certain > metrics like HTTP web latency , DNS latency. I need to know how does > one measure the HTTP latency(time between issuing a HTTP request and > receiving the response) in Linux. http://echoping.sourceforge.net/"; command="apt-get install echoping"/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTTP latency ..urgent
Hi, I am performing an experiment of effects of DDoS attacks on certain metrics like HTTP web latency , DNS latency. I need to know how does one measure the HTTP latency(time between issuing a HTTP request and receiving the response) in Linux. I would also be happy if anyone could suggest any other metrics which one can measure that would be affected in a DDoS scenarios. Help truly truly appreciated. Thanks, Suhail. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
Re: What is the best mailling list manager for qmail and Domain Tech. Control ?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 08:19:20AM -0500, John Keimel wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 07:17:57AM +0100, Thomas GOIRAND wrote: > > I wish to implement mailling list management to my software for all virtual > > domains. DTC uses qmail, so it has to be compatible with it. DTC will > > generate all config file for the given mailling list manager. > > > Ecartis (formerly known as listar) works pretty well for me, but the > documentation for it is _still_ woefully inferior. i still use ecartis for a few hundred lists, but have moved away from it on general principles. it started out with a lot of promise, but very little serious work has been done on it in recent years. one major problem is that it still has serious bugs with mime & message attachments, making it useless for any list where subscribers habitually PGP-sign their messages (any geek list is bound to have a few users that do that). i tried using it for the debian-melb list but had to abandon the attempt and switch to majordomo because of this. craig ps: qmail is a bad idea. postfix is better.
Re: What is the best mailling list manager for qmail and Domain Tech. Control ?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 09:35:00PM +0100, Joris wrote: > >Majordomo is good, but I think you'd like "mailman" better. > > > >Web interface for both users and administrators, very configurable, etc. > > I'd recommend mailman too, but I have to warn for it's archive function. all list managers suck, but in different ways. > Afaik mailman is only capable of archiving messages in Mbox format. if only that was true. it's archiving program (pipermail) creates something that is *almost* but not quite mbox. to load the archive into an mbox mail reader (e.g. mutt or elm) you have to open the file in a text editor and change every From_ line so that it conforms to mbox format. > Yes, that same dreadfull mbox format that has kept all mail related > applications slow for years. you don't know what you're talking about. there is only one circumstance where mbox is slower than maildir, and manipulating archives is not it. reading mail with a crappy pop daemon (like qpopper) that copies the entire mbox to /tmp is where mbox is slower, and that's mostly because qpopper sucks rather than mbox itself sucking. better quality pop daemons (e.g. cucipop or anything newer) are not noticably slower on reasonably-sized mboxes. where maildir shines is when you have many thousands of messages and you need direct access to just one of them. maildir can be much faster at that IFF you're not on a file system that sucks (like ext2 or ext3) - you really need a fs that doesn't suck when you have thousands of files in one directory: xfs or reiserfs, for example. > I've had a mailing list's archive grow over a couple 100MB's, and mailman > started bogging down the system. (took quite a while to realise what was > going on) i have numerous majordomo based list archives, as well as my own personal mail archives, all in mbox format(*). there are no speed problems with any of them. pipermail is broken. (*) mbox is, IMO, a superior format for archiving. one file per archive is better than squillions of little files. craig
