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Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
Hi, Am 11:17 2003-02-18 +0800 hat Jason Lim geschrieben: >Actually, IS there a list for marketing Debian services/products and >similar? Sort of like a place where companies offering Debian-related >things can post to? > >Sincerely, >Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] debian-consultants@lists.debian.org Michelle
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Hi, Am 11:17 2003-02-18 +0800 hat Jason Lim geschrieben: >Actually, IS there a list for marketing Debian services/products and >similar? Sort of like a place where companies offering Debian-related >things can post to? > >Sincerely, >Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:16, Jason Lim wrote: > > find it, it has a nice listing with "248 Debian consultants listed in 35 > > countries worldwide." I see no reason why a Debian ISP couldn't be > > included. > > > > However -- why don't we create one? > > Good idea! A list of ISPs that actively use and support Debian!!! > > First place I can think of is the Debian mirror archive (we're listed > there already), but perhaps there could be a webpage or such that lists > all the ISPs/hosts/etc. as well? I think it's a good idea too. The web page should list whether the ISP runs back-end servers on Debian, whether it supports Debian dial-up or ISP customers (or general Linux) via it's help desk, and whether it offers managed hosting services of Debian. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sounds great, I'm all for it. It almost gives me a sad feeling that the "common" people think RedHat IS Linux.. or that only RedHat has possible support. Could it be that we have another marketing giant on our hands (besides Microsoft)... naah, just kiddn'. On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 09:16:55AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote: > > > http://www.debian.org/consultants/ contains a list of consultants for > > Debian systems. It is pretty difficult to get to ( > http://www.debian.org, > > | Support (in the main text, not on the menu) | Consultants ) but once > you > > find it, it has a nice listing with "248 Debian consultants listed in 35 > > countries worldwide." I see no reason why a Debian ISP couldn't be > > included. > > > > However -- why don't we create one? > > > > Good idea! A list of ISPs that actively use and support Debian!!! > > First place I can think of is the Debian mirror archive (we're listed > there already), but perhaps there could be a webpage or such that lists > all the ISPs/hosts/etc. as well? > > I'm behind this :-) > Anyone else? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- -- Mark Lijftogt -- http://www.qut.nl -- http://www.lijftogt.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > It's better than being subversive and saying something like, "I am a > > _very_ _happy_ customer of company XYZ. They rule" > > What's 'subversive' about such a statement when it's perfectly true? > [Or do you just naturally have a suspicious mind, and a deeply cynical > attitude to the statements of others?] > > Presumably the _only_ sort of statement whose veracity you would either allow > or trust, is one of the: "Product XYZ sucks!" or "Don't buy ABC!" variety? > > What value does the positive statement hold in your life view? I think what he means is... if the ISP posts and says that it is "very good" and other things like that... basically pretending to be a client of itself, in a manner of speaking. That would be "subversive"... sort of like conning people into believing that tens of people like your service, when in fact it may be the employees going around posting such messages. I've seen ISPs do it before... very commonly, in fact. And I think (but I could be wrong) that is what he means by "subversive". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> http://www.debian.org/consultants/ contains a list of consultants for > Debian systems. It is pretty difficult to get to ( http://www.debian.org, > | Support (in the main text, not on the menu) | Consultants ) but once you > find it, it has a nice listing with "248 Debian consultants listed in 35 > countries worldwide." I see no reason why a Debian ISP couldn't be > included. > > However -- why don't we create one? > Good idea! A list of ISPs that actively use and support Debian!!! First place I can think of is the Debian mirror archive (we're listed there already), but perhaps there could be a webpage or such that lists all the ISPs/hosts/etc. as well? I'm behind this :-) Anyone else? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.debian.org/consultants/ contains a list of consultants for Debian systems. It is pretty difficult to get to ( http://www.debian.org, | Support (in the main text, not on the menu) | Consultants ) but once you find it, it has a nice listing with "248 Debian consultants listed in 35 countries worldwide." I see no reason why a Debian ISP couldn't be included. However -- why don't we create one? Rod > - Original Message - > From: "Sanjeev "Ghane" Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 February, 2003 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > > >> Jason Lim wrote: >> > I don't think anyone minds a line or two mentioning your >> > company, cool... but the whole email with paragraphs worth of >> > promotions? >> >> Hey, he was answering the question. There is a fine line between info >> and adverts, and it differs for everyone. >> >> -- >> Sanjeev > > The consensus rules then :-) > > Hey, like I said... I don't have any beef. We're all ISPs here, or work > for an ISP, own an ISP, whatever. Just pointing out that we shouldn't let > the list become too much of a "marketing" list and rather focus on the > tech side. > > Actually, IS there a list for marketing Debian services/products and > similar? Sort of like a place where companies offering Debian-related > things can post to? > > Sincerely, > Jason > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- 1.79 x 10^12 furlongs per fortnight -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Die, 2003-02-18 at 16:08, Martin Wheeler wrote: > On 17 Feb 2003, Tim Quinlan wrote: > > > It's better than being subversive and saying something like, "I am a > > _very_ _happy_ customer of company XYZ. They rule" > > What's 'subversive' about such a statement when it's perfectly true? > [Or do you just naturally have a suspicious mind, and a deeply cynical > attitude to the statements of others?] I think he thought it would have been subversive if Mark would have written that statement - as an employee (owner?) of the company in question, he shouldn't make statements like that... cheers -- vbi -- featured product: the GNOME desktop - http://gnome.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On 17 Feb 2003, Tim Quinlan wrote: > It's better than being subversive and saying something like, "I am a > _very_ _happy_ customer of company XYZ. They rule" What's 'subversive' about such a statement when it's perfectly true? [Or do you just naturally have a suspicious mind, and a deeply cynical attitude to the statements of others?] Presumably the _only_ sort of statement whose veracity you would either allow or trust, is one of the: "Product XYZ sucks!" or "Don't buy ABC!" variety? What value does the positive statement hold in your life view? -- Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT / AVALONIX - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://startext.demon.co.uk/ GPG pub key : 8D6B948B ECC6 D98E 4CC8 60E3 7E32 D594 BB27 3368 8D6B 948B - Share your knowledge. It's a way of achieving immortality. - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello All, As the original poster, I should have said if you provide these services email me off-list. But I forgot. But thanks for the range of responses! I have gotten excellent suggestions at a range of service/price points, from this list and elsewhere. We are chewing through them all and will make a decision soon. Note we weren't after colocation due to the hassle and expense of shipping a box to unknown overseas location X, but we do intend to be offshore from where we are due to the "meter running" exhorbitant nature of local bandwidth charges, compared to elsewhere. We already have excellent backup servers at a reasonable rate that have been shown to be reliable, but they are Redhat based and we want the main servers located elsewhere anyway. As a Redhat fan of 6 years before converting entirely to Debian last year the Redhat-centric ness of the "commodity" hosting market is a bit annoying, but then it is cool that Linux has become the baseline commodity of the hosting market. Mentioning Debian on web pages of ISPs that support it is a positive thing as it indicates (IMHO) the software is likely to be well maintained, and a technical attention to detail.. -- Duncan Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technician (+61)412117159 Minihub Communications Inc.http://www.minihub.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Jason Lim wrote: > Actually, IS there a list for marketing Debian services/products and > similar? Sort of like a place where companies offering Debian-related > things can post to? debian-commercial debian-consultants (Those lists need to be moderated.) Jeremy C. Reed http://www.isp-faq.com/-- find answers to your questions -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well.. the main issue I had with the mail was not as much the info you gave.. but in the same breath you took to give us the info, you apologized, and yet again. I still think this was an add in disguise as I explained to Eric apart of the debian-'isp' list. I'm not in any boubt about the intentions though. Let that be clear. On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 08:12:02PM -0800, Eric Jennings wrote: > > After seeing the responses, I feel it's appropriate that I apologize to > the list. While I feel my post was justified in that I was answering a > legitimate question, I probably should have been more sensitive to the > fact that Jason brought up -- we are almost all affiliated with an ISP > or hosting company or whatever on this list, and a certain amount of > respect ought to go along with what we as members post. > > My apologies to you all. > > Thanks- > Eric > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Tim Quinlan wrote: > > >Well, you have to commend Mark's honesty. He did say, "I really didn't > >want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales platform." And he > >answered the question. > > > >It's better than being subversive and saying something like, "I am a > >_very_ _happy_ customer of company XYZ. They rule" > > > > > >On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 20:16, Jason Lim wrote: > >>Agree... let's try and keep this for a discussion about ISPs running > >>Debian... not Sales & Marketing. > >> > >>We're pretty much all offering Debian here as part of our services, > >>otherwise we wouldn't BE here to start with ;-) > >> > >>I don't think anyone minds a line or two mentioning your company, > >>cool... > >>but the whole email with paragraphs worth of promotions? > >> > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Mark Lijftogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "Loopshot Operator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Tuesday, 18 February, 2003 6:46 AM > >>Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > >> > >> > >>> > >>>You forgot about how your company is growing, the amount of job > >>openings, > >>>the nice and bright future and stuff.. > >>> > >>>naah.. nevermind.. > >>> > >>> > >>>On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 02:27:00PM -0800, Loopshot Operator wrote: > >>>>Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > >>>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>To: Jamie Penner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>From: Loopshot Operator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>>I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales > >>>>platform, but it seems like there are several interested parties > >>>>looking for Debian-specific dedicated/managed hosting stateside. > >>>> > >>>>Our firm does just that. We are Debian-specific, in that we really > >>>>don't promote other distros or OSes nearly as much (only if > >>requested). > >>>> Pricing is $195/mo. for 30 GB of bandwidth. Full data-center > >>>>amenities, such as 10 day battery backup, diesel generator backup, > >>dual > >>>>DS-3 capacity, environmental control, etc. > >>>> > >>>>With our dedicated server packages, we also give you access to your > >>own > >>>>power control so you can power-cycle your server as you see fit. We > >>>>will also do full monitoring of ports/services/intrusion and nightly > >>>>backup, if you so desire, (although most on this list seem like > >>they're > >>>>perfectly capable of doing that themselves.) > >>>> > >>>>So that aside, feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more > >>>>information. Our web site is currently being revamped, so some of > >>>>the > >>>>info on there is out of date. Here's the contact info: > >>>> > >>>>Eric Jennings > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>Loopshot, Inc. > >>>>http://www.loopshot.com > >>>>+1 (775) 856-3455 > >>>> > >>>>Once again, my apologies for those who may not be interested, but I > >>>>thought I'd mention it since several have asked ab
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After seeing the responses, I feel it's appropriate that I apologize to the list. While I feel my post was justified in that I was answering a legitimate question, I probably should have been more sensitive to the fact that Jason brought up -- we are almost all affiliated with an ISP or hosting company or whatever on this list, and a certain amount of respect ought to go along with what we as members post. My apologies to you all. Thanks- Eric On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Tim Quinlan wrote: Well, you have to commend Mark's honesty. He did say, "I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales platform." And he answered the question. It's better than being subversive and saying something like, "I am a _very_ _happy_ customer of company XYZ. They rule" On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 20:16, Jason Lim wrote: Agree... let's try and keep this for a discussion about ISPs running Debian... not Sales & Marketing. We're pretty much all offering Debian here as part of our services, otherwise we wouldn't BE here to start with ;-) I don't think anyone minds a line or two mentioning your company, cool... but the whole email with paragraphs worth of promotions? - Original Message - From: "Mark Lijftogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Loopshot Operator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 18 February, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? You forgot about how your company is growing, the amount of job openings, the nice and bright future and stuff.. naah.. nevermind.. On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 02:27:00PM -0800, Loopshot Operator wrote: Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jamie Penner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Loopshot Operator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales platform, but it seems like there are several interested parties looking for Debian-specific dedicated/managed hosting stateside. Our firm does just that. We are Debian-specific, in that we really don't promote other distros or OSes nearly as much (only if requested). Pricing is $195/mo. for 30 GB of bandwidth. Full data-center amenities, such as 10 day battery backup, diesel generator backup, dual DS-3 capacity, environmental control, etc. With our dedicated server packages, we also give you access to your own power control so you can power-cycle your server as you see fit. We will also do full monitoring of ports/services/intrusion and nightly backup, if you so desire, (although most on this list seem like they're perfectly capable of doing that themselves.) So that aside, feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more information. Our web site is currently being revamped, so some of the info on there is out of date. Here's the contact info: Eric Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Loopshot, Inc. http://www.loopshot.com +1 (775) 856-3455 Once again, my apologies for those who may not be interested, but I thought I'd mention it since several have asked about firms offering Debian servers in the U.S. Thanks- Eric On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:56 PM, Jamie Penner wrote: Wish they were in N. America! (or someone like them!) At 12:46 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Brett Parker wrote: http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? The address works with or without the hyphen; with or without the www. (That's the sort of attention to little detail you get with them.) one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works there, he has clue Not only that, but when chatting on #debian-uk one night, I got instant service from one of their employees for a question about their service I had, that just cropped up in the course of conversation. Very, very "Debian", all round. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Mark Lijftogt -- http://www.qut.nl -- http://www.lijftogt.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: "Sanjeev "Ghane" Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 18 February, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > Jason Lim wrote: > > I don't think anyone minds a line or two mentioning your > > company, cool... but the whole email with paragraphs worth of > > promotions? > > Hey, he was answering the question. There is a fine line between info > and adverts, and it differs for everyone. > > -- > Sanjeev The consensus rules then :-) Hey, like I said... I don't have any beef. We're all ISPs here, or work for an ISP, own an ISP, whatever. Just pointing out that we shouldn't let the list become too much of a "marketing" list and rather focus on the tech side. Actually, IS there a list for marketing Debian services/products and similar? Sort of like a place where companies offering Debian-related things can post to? Sincerely, Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, you have to commend Mark's honesty. He did say, "I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales platform." And he answered the question. It's better than being subversive and saying something like, "I am a _very_ _happy_ customer of company XYZ. They rule" On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 20:16, Jason Lim wrote: > Agree... let's try and keep this for a discussion about ISPs running > Debian... not Sales & Marketing. > > We're pretty much all offering Debian here as part of our services, > otherwise we wouldn't BE here to start with ;-) > > I don't think anyone minds a line or two mentioning your company, cool... > but the whole email with paragraphs worth of promotions? > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Lijftogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Loopshot Operator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 February, 2003 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > > > > > > You forgot about how your company is growing, the amount of job > openings, > > the nice and bright future and stuff.. > > > > naah.. nevermind.. > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 02:27:00PM -0800, Loopshot Operator wrote: > > > Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: Jamie Penner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: Loopshot Operator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales > > > platform, but it seems like there are several interested parties > > > looking for Debian-specific dedicated/managed hosting stateside. > > > > > > Our firm does just that. We are Debian-specific, in that we really > > > don't promote other distros or OSes nearly as much (only if > requested). > > > Pricing is $195/mo. for 30 GB of bandwidth. Full data-center > > > amenities, such as 10 day battery backup, diesel generator backup, > dual > > > DS-3 capacity, environmental control, etc. > > > > > > With our dedicated server packages, we also give you access to your > own > > > power control so you can power-cycle your server as you see fit. We > > > will also do full monitoring of ports/services/intrusion and nightly > > > backup, if you so desire, (although most on this list seem like > they're > > > perfectly capable of doing that themselves.) > > > > > > So that aside, feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more > > > information. Our web site is currently being revamped, so some of the > > > info on there is out of date. Here's the contact info: > > > > > > Eric Jennings > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Loopshot, Inc. > > > http://www.loopshot.com > > > +1 (775) 856-3455 > > > > > > Once again, my apologies for those who may not be interested, but I > > > thought I'd mention it since several have asked about firms offering > > > Debian servers in the U.S. > > > > > > Thanks- > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:56 PM, Jamie Penner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Wish they were in N. America! (or someone like them!) > > > > > > > >At 12:46 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Brett Parker wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ > > > >>> > > > >>> isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? > > > >> > > > >>The address works with or without the hyphen; with or without the > www. > > > >>(That's the sort of attention to little detail you get with them.) > > > >> > > > >>> one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works > > > >>> there, he has clue > > > >> > > > >>Not only that, but when chatting on #debian-uk one night, I got > > > >>instant > > > >>service from one of their employees for a question about their > > > >>service I had, > > > >>that just cropped up in the course of conversation. > > > >> > > > >>Very, very "Debian", all round. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- Mark Lijftogt > > -- http://www.qut.nl > > -- http://www.lijftogt.nl > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jason Lim wrote: > I don't think anyone minds a line or two mentioning your > company, cool... but the whole email with paragraphs worth of > promotions? Hey, he was answering the question. There is a fine line between info and adverts, and it differs for everyone. -- Sanjeev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agree... let's try and keep this for a discussion about ISPs running Debian... not Sales & Marketing. We're pretty much all offering Debian here as part of our services, otherwise we wouldn't BE here to start with ;-) I don't think anyone minds a line or two mentioning your company, cool... but the whole email with paragraphs worth of promotions? - Original Message - From: "Mark Lijftogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Loopshot Operator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 18 February, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > > You forgot about how your company is growing, the amount of job openings, > the nice and bright future and stuff.. > > naah.. nevermind.. > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 02:27:00PM -0800, Loopshot Operator wrote: > > Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: Jamie Penner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: Loopshot Operator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales > > platform, but it seems like there are several interested parties > > looking for Debian-specific dedicated/managed hosting stateside. > > > > Our firm does just that. We are Debian-specific, in that we really > > don't promote other distros or OSes nearly as much (only if requested). > > Pricing is $195/mo. for 30 GB of bandwidth. Full data-center > > amenities, such as 10 day battery backup, diesel generator backup, dual > > DS-3 capacity, environmental control, etc. > > > > With our dedicated server packages, we also give you access to your own > > power control so you can power-cycle your server as you see fit. We > > will also do full monitoring of ports/services/intrusion and nightly > > backup, if you so desire, (although most on this list seem like they're > > perfectly capable of doing that themselves.) > > > > So that aside, feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more > > information. Our web site is currently being revamped, so some of the > > info on there is out of date. Here's the contact info: > > > > Eric Jennings > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Loopshot, Inc. > > http://www.loopshot.com > > +1 (775) 856-3455 > > > > Once again, my apologies for those who may not be interested, but I > > thought I'd mention it since several have asked about firms offering > > Debian servers in the U.S. > > > > Thanks- > > Eric > > > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:56 PM, Jamie Penner wrote: > > > > > > > >Wish they were in N. America! (or someone like them!) > > > > > >At 12:46 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: > > > > > >>On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Brett Parker wrote: > > >> > > >>> > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ > > >>> > > >>> isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? > > >> > > >>The address works with or without the hyphen; with or without the www. > > >>(That's the sort of attention to little detail you get with them.) > > >> > > >>> one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works > > >>> there, he has clue > > >> > > >>Not only that, but when chatting on #debian-uk one night, I got > > >>instant > > >>service from one of their employees for a question about their > > >>service I had, > > >>that just cropped up in the course of conversation. > > >> > > >>Very, very "Debian", all round. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > > -- Mark Lijftogt > -- http://www.qut.nl > -- http://www.lijftogt.nl > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
You forgot about how your company is growing, the amount of job openings, the nice and bright future and stuff.. naah.. nevermind.. On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 02:27:00PM -0800, Loopshot Operator wrote: > Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Jamie Penner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Loopshot Operator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales > platform, but it seems like there are several interested parties > looking for Debian-specific dedicated/managed hosting stateside. > > Our firm does just that. We are Debian-specific, in that we really > don't promote other distros or OSes nearly as much (only if requested). > Pricing is $195/mo. for 30 GB of bandwidth. Full data-center > amenities, such as 10 day battery backup, diesel generator backup, dual > DS-3 capacity, environmental control, etc. > > With our dedicated server packages, we also give you access to your own > power control so you can power-cycle your server as you see fit. We > will also do full monitoring of ports/services/intrusion and nightly > backup, if you so desire, (although most on this list seem like they're > perfectly capable of doing that themselves.) > > So that aside, feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more > information. Our web site is currently being revamped, so some of the > info on there is out of date. Here's the contact info: > > Eric Jennings > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Loopshot, Inc. > http://www.loopshot.com > +1 (775) 856-3455 > > Once again, my apologies for those who may not be interested, but I > thought I'd mention it since several have asked about firms offering > Debian servers in the U.S. > > Thanks- > Eric > > > On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:56 PM, Jamie Penner wrote: > > > > >Wish they were in N. America! (or someone like them!) > > > >At 12:46 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: > > > >>On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Brett Parker wrote: > >> > >>> > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ > >>> > >>> isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? > >> > >>The address works with or without the hyphen; with or without the www. > >>(That's the sort of attention to little detail you get with them.) > >> > >>> one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works > >>> there, he has clue > >> > >>Not only that, but when chatting on #debian-uk one night, I got > >>instant > >>service from one of their employees for a question about their > >>service I had, > >>that just cropped up in the course of conversation. > >> > >>Very, very "Debian", all round. > > > > > > > > > >-- > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- -- Mark Lijftogt -- http://www.qut.nl -- http://www.lijftogt.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
I really didn't want to use this excellent mailing list as a sales platform, but it seems like there are several interested parties looking for Debian-specific dedicated/managed hosting stateside. Our firm does just that. We are Debian-specific, in that we really don't promote other distros or OSes nearly as much (only if requested). Pricing is $195/mo. for 30 GB of bandwidth. Full data-center amenities, such as 10 day battery backup, diesel generator backup, dual DS-3 capacity, environmental control, etc. With our dedicated server packages, we also give you access to your own power control so you can power-cycle your server as you see fit. We will also do full monitoring of ports/services/intrusion and nightly backup, if you so desire, (although most on this list seem like they're perfectly capable of doing that themselves.) So that aside, feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more information. Our web site is currently being revamped, so some of the info on there is out of date. Here's the contact info: Eric Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Loopshot, Inc. http://www.loopshot.com +1 (775) 856-3455 Once again, my apologies for those who may not be interested, but I thought I'd mention it since several have asked about firms offering Debian servers in the U.S. Thanks- Eric On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 01:56 PM, Jamie Penner wrote: Wish they were in N. America! (or someone like them!) At 12:46 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Brett Parker wrote: > > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ > > isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? The address works with or without the hyphen; with or without the www. (That's the sort of attention to little detail you get with them.) > one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works > there, he has clue Not only that, but when chatting on #debian-uk one night, I got instant service from one of their employees for a question about their service I had, that just cropped up in the course of conversation. Very, very "Debian", all round. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
Wish they were in N. America! (or someone like them!) At 12:46 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Brett Parker wrote: > > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ > > isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? The address works with or without the hyphen; with or without the www. (That's the sort of attention to little detail you get with them.) > one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works > there, he has clue Not only that, but when chatting on #debian-uk one night, I got instant service from one of their employees for a question about their service I had, that just cropped up in the course of conversation. Very, very "Debian", all round. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Brett Parker wrote: > > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ > > isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? The address works with or without the hyphen; with or without the www. (That's the sort of attention to little detail you get with them.) > one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works > there, he has clue Not only that, but when chatting on #debian-uk one night, I got instant service from one of their employees for a question about their service I had, that just cropped up in the course of conversation. Very, very "Debian", all round. Cheers, -- Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT / AVALONIX - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://startext.demon.co.uk/ GPG pub key : 8D6B948B ECC6 D98E 4CC8 60E3 7E32 D594 BB27 3368 8D6B 948B - Share your knowledge. It's a way of achieving immortality. - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
Martin Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 17 Feb 2003, Duncan Robertson wrote: > > > We are looking for simple unmanaged hosting service that provides Debian > > 3.0 as the baseline. > > > Right now this seems to > > be a commodity market, IF the Linux distro of choice is Redhat. But has > > anybody had any luck with ones willing to install Debian? > > Positive Internet in the UK is _excellent_. > (I have nothing to do with them commercially -- I'm just an exceptionally > satisfied customer. Their service level is second to none.) > > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ isn't that www.positive-internet.co.uk? they do seem to be really rather good, one of the maintainers of the debian packages for apache2 works there, he has clue, so, all in all not a bad place to go for. the pricing doesn't look bad either. Cheers, Brett. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello List > >We are looking for simple unmanaged hosting service that provides Debian > >3.0 as the baseline. We are offering debian-based hosting. We have a 'default' setup for the machines, but we will install them the way the customer want's them to be. For further information see www.domainbox.de. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, not sure whether this would help: here in Europe, there's a quite big provider "HostEurope" which offers Debian Installation only at the German-speaking web pages (www.hosteurope.de). From the international site www.hosteurope.com as well as from the French one www.hosteurope.fr, you always will be offered RedHat. So I think they can do the Debian job, but for some strange "marketing reasons" or so they won't tell - you but in some countries. May be other providers act the same way, and may be knowing this could help you... Debian has been offered by HostEurope only for some months or so, before that you could only get SuSE (or Windows, but in this list we're not talking about junk, are we?), which is the Linux market-leader in Germany. Additionally, I had to strongly ask them for installing only a base system without selecting the half the "tasksel"-options ;-) But then they did it fine, I'm happy now... Best regards, Andreas At 17:23 Uhr +1100 17.02.2003, Duncan Robertson wrote: Hi, We are looking for simple unmanaged hosting service that provides Debian 3.0 as the baseline. No handholdy support needed (thats what we do!), just a solid server in a well hooked up data centre, and someone to hit the big red switch on short notice if (for some reason) it comes to that. -- procommerz - Internet fuer Unternehmen http://www.procommerz.de | 033925-90710 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
Hi, Some hosts would be willing to install Debian if you asked them. Most hosts don't even display "Linux" anymore.. they just talk about "Redhat". I heard a guy the other day saying "Do you have Redhat servers?". It's unfortunate... but... maybe it is a good thing to boost Linux's popularity with a company that seems to be doing Linux good, in general. Anyway... it depends what kind of hosting you want. If you want cheapo stuff go to http://www.hostsearch.com or others to find one. You could go offshore with companies such as: http://www.zentek-international.com/ which I know will install Debian. So depending on what you want, where you want it, etc. there are certainly options for you. Sincerely, Jason - Original Message - From: "Martin Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Duncan Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 17 February, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints? > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 17 Feb 2003, Duncan Robertson wrote: > > > We are looking for simple unmanaged hosting service that provides Debian > > 3.0 as the baseline. > > > Right now this seems to > > be a commodity market, IF the Linux distro of choice is Redhat. But has > > anybody had any luck with ones willing to install Debian? > > Positive Internet in the UK is _excellent_. > (I have nothing to do with them commercially -- I'm just an exceptionally > satisfied customer. Their service level is second to none.) > > http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ > > Relative to the cheapie-cheapie, pared-down-to-the-bone end of the market, > you might think they're expensive. But believe me, the service is worth that > little extra. > - -- > Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT / AVALONIX - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://startext.demon.co.uk/ > GPG pub key : 8D6B948B ECC6 D98E 4CC8 60E3 7E32 D594 BB27 3368 8D6B 948B > - Share your knowledge. It's a way of achieving immortality. - > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE+UNjTuyczaI1rlIsRArDtAJ0YcEvb4K6H9Ffj18LUiTxF0cEKzQCffBrQ > lLMDeFzpYXqYQMdyWqzZTXg= > =iFsg > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 Feb 2003, Duncan Robertson wrote: > We are looking for simple unmanaged hosting service that provides Debian > 3.0 as the baseline. > Right now this seems to > be a commodity market, IF the Linux distro of choice is Redhat. But has > anybody had any luck with ones willing to install Debian? Positive Internet in the UK is _excellent_. (I have nothing to do with them commercially -- I'm just an exceptionally satisfied customer. Their service level is second to none.) http://www.positiveinternet.co.uk/ Relative to the cheapie-cheapie, pared-down-to-the-bone end of the market, you might think they're expensive. But believe me, the service is worth that little extra. - -- Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT / AVALONIX - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://startext.demon.co.uk/ GPG pub key : 8D6B948B ECC6 D98E 4CC8 60E3 7E32 D594 BB27 3368 8D6B 948B - Share your knowledge. It's a way of achieving immortality. - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+UNjTuyczaI1rlIsRArDtAJ0YcEvb4K6H9Ffj18LUiTxF0cEKzQCffBrQ lLMDeFzpYXqYQMdyWqzZTXg= =iFsg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
I just bought the hardware and installed Debian, then put it at a colo site. That seems to go over pretty well. $100/mo, and they have someone to push the button if necessary. They (www.cihost.com) have been having some router issues recently, but if they every get those fixed . . . This is my second colo provider, and for both I've just bought a box and put it out there. For the first one. I used an old tower I had sitting around. For this one, I had to buy a rack mount case. plinkusa.net sells those pretty cheap but I have not tried them so am not suggesting you use them. It is just that they sell for around $70 what others sell for $200. If this idea appeals to you, let me know and I'll give you the spec's on my box. It's been up for a couple of years and I haven't had to do anything yet. I'm now getting paranoid that some of the hardware may die eventually. Rod > Hi, > > We are looking for simple unmanaged hosting service that provides Debian > 3.0 as the baseline. No handholdy support needed (thats what we do!), > just a solid server in a well hooked up data centre, and someone to hit > the big red switch on short notice if (for some reason) it comes to > that. > > Currently evaluating one provider who look good on paper but their > respnse times and reliability has not been good. Right now this seems to > be a commodity market, IF the Linux distro of choice is Redhat. But has > anybody had any luck with ones willing to install Debian? > > > > -- > Duncan Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chief Technician (+61)412117159 > Minihub Communications Inc.http://www.minihub.org/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian friendly unmanaged hosting joints?
Hi, We are looking for simple unmanaged hosting service that provides Debian 3.0 as the baseline. No handholdy support needed (thats what we do!), just a solid server in a well hooked up data centre, and someone to hit the big red switch on short notice if (for some reason) it comes to that. Currently evaluating one provider who look good on paper but their respnse times and reliability has not been good. Right now this seems to be a commodity market, IF the Linux distro of choice is Redhat. But has anybody had any luck with ones willing to install Debian? -- Duncan Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technician (+61)412117159 Minihub Communications Inc.http://www.minihub.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
