Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Hi Matthias, I have a question regarding this point, why do you want to preserve the support for squeeze? Considering that openjdk-7 hasn't been backported to this release, do you think it's worth keeping this Maybe the backport was not uploaded… but I built openjdk-7 for squeeze and lenny in our company myself, from sid sources, and am very glad Matthias still supports older releases like this. bye, //mirabilos -- tarent solutions GmbH Rochusstraße 2-4, D-53123 Bonn • http://www.tarent.de/ Tel: +49 228 54881-393 • Fax: +49 228 54881-235 HRB 5168 (AG Bonn) • USt-ID (VAT): DE122264941 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Stefan Barth, Kai Ebenrett, Boris Esser, Alexander Steeg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.11.1407231004150.16...@tglase.lan.tarent.de
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Le 23/07/2014 10:04, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : Maybe the backport was not uploaded… but I built openjdk-7 for squeeze and lenny in our company myself, from sid sources, and am very glad Matthias still supports older releases like this. Thank you for the feedback Thorsten. Do you still build openjdk-7 for lenny today, or did you migrate to more recent releases? Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cf7245.8060...@apache.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Thank you for the feedback Thorsten. Do you still build openjdk-7 for lenny today, or did you migrate to more recent releases? I still do, we have existing contracts where lenny is the validation system (in fact, I recently had to install a fresh one). More than squeeze… although we’re trying to push for an upgrade to wheezy. I do count myself lucky when I get them to move from Java 6 to 7 already. bye, //mirabilos -- tarent solutions GmbH Rochusstraße 2-4, D-53123 Bonn • http://www.tarent.de/ Tel: +49 228 54881-393 • Fax: +49 228 54881-235 HRB 5168 (AG Bonn) • USt-ID (VAT): DE122264941 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Stefan Barth, Kai Ebenrett, Boris Esser, Alexander Steeg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.11.1407231048280.16...@tglase.lan.tarent.de
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Le 15/07/2014 17:27, Matthias Klose a écrit : Please don't send any patches which drop the build support for squeeze or wheezy, or any Ubuntu LTS. Hi Matthias, I have a question regarding this point, why do you want to preserve the support for squeeze? Considering that openjdk-7 hasn't been backported to this release, do you think it's worth keeping this possibility for openjdk-8? The same reasoning could apply to lucid. Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cee747.1010...@apache.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Le 15/07/2014 17:27, Matthias Klose a écrit : Even before you did start, I was telling you on irc that I'll keep the openjdk-8 package as one package, and not splitting it up into different source packages depending on the hotspot version specific for that architecture. You did continue your own way. The hotspot for ppc64 and ppc64el is now integrated in 8u20, that's the reason you don't see a separate hotspot for these architectures. I didn't intend to drop the ppc64 port, I was just unaware of it. Otherwise I'd have tried to support it with a separate tarball just like aarch64. If you remember well I sent you a mail in April to get your feedback on what I had achieved so far, I also called for review on debian-java but you never commented on my work. So I'm a bit stunned to learn 3 months later that you got highly annoyed by the lack of ppc64 support. Asking please give my VCS write access so that I can commit my remaining changes is not going to work for me, giving the history of this packaging and the current situation with ecj. What is going to work to get commit access then? I've done hundreds of updates over the past year and it went well, I find it a bit unfair to be judged on the one update that failed. I did walk though the committ diffs and applied relevant patches. If I did miss any patches, please submit these as bug reports (preferred) or send these as email. I sent a pull request for icedtea-web, is this an acceptable contribution format for you? https://code.launchpad.net/~ebourg/openjdk/icedtea-web/+merge/225908 I don't mind setting up a review process between us, but please don't leave my requests unanswered for weeks, that's very difficult to contribute in this condition. Please don't send any patches which drop the build support for squeeze or wheezy, or any Ubuntu LTS. Please don't drop disabled build support which isn't yet re-enabled for openjdk-8. Please don't drop the icedtea-sound tarball, which makes backporting this package to earlier releases just easier. Regarding icedtead-sound, if the same version is used for all JDKs why not using an independent package? I created the libpulse-java package with this in mind (that was before Andrew split the driver into a separate icedtead-sound project, so I'll probably rename the package to match the upstream name). - build tzdata using openjdk-8 I'll make a proposal for this. Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c63431.9030...@apache.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Am 11.07.2014 22:47, schrieb Emmanuel Bourg: Le 11/07/2014 20:09, Matthias Klose a écrit : To be clear, there was nothing restarted. It is done the way I recommended Emmanuel before he did start, and which he did ignore. Matthias again I don't understand what you are referring to. You recommended to start from the openjdk-7 package and not from scratch and that's exactly what I've done. You can check it from the change history: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-java/openjdk-8.git;a=shortlog;pg=1 Even before you did start, I was telling you on irc that I'll keep the openjdk-8 package as one package, and not splitting it up into different source packages depending on the hotspot version specific for that architecture. You did continue your own way. The hotspot for ppc64 and ppc64el is now integrated in 8u20, that's the reason you don't see a separate hotspot for these architectures. Asking please give my VCS write access so that I can commit my remaining changes is not going to work for me, giving the history of this packaging and the current situation with ecj. It contains all your openjdk-7 commits up to 2014-03-05, and I even tracked and merged the changes you made later like the GCC 4.9 switch. I did walk though the committ diffs and applied relevant patches. If I did miss any patches, please submit these as bug reports (preferred) or send these as email. Please don't send any patches which drop the build support for squeeze or wheezy, or any Ubuntu LTS. Please don't drop disabled build support which isn't yet re-enabled for openjdk-8. Please don't drop the icedtea-sound tarball, which makes backporting this package to earlier releases just easier. There is still a lot of work to do, - build tzdata using openjdk-8 - update the ARM assembler interpreter to work with 8 (maybe something you don't want to start). - get the remaining linux zero ports working (and tested). Note that your sponsors are able to get you access to Debian porter machines. See https://dsa.debian.org/doc/guest-account/ It may be easier to default to zero on amd64, and start testing there. - look at the jtreg test results, decide which tests need fixes, which can be ignored (and added to the exclude list). The info for the failing tests is found in the -jdk package. - get the kfreebsd patches updated (Steven Chamberlain is currently working on this). - once kfreebsd is working, keep hotspot and jdk tarballs for kfreebsd, so that further updates won't break things without updating the patches. submit the kfreebsd patches upstream. Thanks, Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c54861.3040...@debian.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:11:29AM +0200, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Matthias has restarted the packaging from the latest version of openjdk-7 and merged some of my changes. The repository is on Launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openjdk/openjdk/openjdk8/files Is there an easy way to rebuild what was just uploaded? -- Miguel Landaeta, nomadium at debian.org secure email with PGP 0x6E608B637D8967E9 available at http://miguel.cc/key. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. -- Nietzsche signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Am 11.07.2014 17:47, schrieb Miguel Landaeta: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:11:29AM +0200, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Matthias has restarted the packaging from the latest version of openjdk-7 and merged some of my changes. To be clear, there was nothing restarted. It is done the way I recommended Emmanuel before he did start, and which he did ignore. The repository is on Launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openjdk/openjdk/openjdk8/files Yes, the location used by the OpenJDK maintainers. Is there an easy way to rebuild what was just uploaded? The package builds for me in a clean unstable environment. There are some pending fixes in the VCS to fix builds on some architectures. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c02857.4000...@debian.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 08:09:27PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: Am 11.07.2014 17:47, schrieb Miguel Landaeta: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:11:29AM +0200, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: The repository is on Launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openjdk/openjdk/openjdk8/files Yes, the location used by the OpenJDK maintainers. Is there an easy way to rebuild what was just uploaded? The package builds for me in a clean unstable environment. There are some pending fixes in the VCS to fix builds on some architectures. Yes, I cloned the bazaar repo but I'm not familiar with OpenJDK workflow so I was looking for a way to regenerate the pristine-tar. In the past I had worked with what was already accepted in the archive but this time I can't since we are waiting for the acceptance. -- Miguel Landaeta, nomadium at debian.org secure email with PGP 0x6E608B637D8967E9 available at http://miguel.cc/key. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. -- Nietzsche signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Le 11/07/2014 20:09, Matthias Klose a écrit : To be clear, there was nothing restarted. It is done the way I recommended Emmanuel before he did start, and which he did ignore. Matthias again I don't understand what you are referring to. You recommended to start from the openjdk-7 package and not from scratch and that's exactly what I've done. You can check it from the change history: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-java/openjdk-8.git;a=shortlog;pg=1 It contains all your openjdk-7 commits up to 2014-03-05, and I even tracked and merged the changes you made later like the GCC 4.9 switch. Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c04d7b.3070...@apache.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Matthias has restarted the packaging from the latest version of openjdk-7 and merged some of my changes. The repository is on Launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openjdk/openjdk/openjdk8/files Now if I could be added to the OpenJDK Team I'd be happy to continue on this repository, but it's up to Matthias to decide. Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53be58c1.6000...@apache.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 03:47:32PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: it is not blocked, it is work in progress. Emmanuel did decide to change the packaging, and did decide to drop support for most Debian architectures. Dropping support for Debian architectures will automatically block this package later on. I'm still in progress looking at his commits and applying these to a source package which builds on all architectures currently supported by openjdk-7. Ok, it's cool to see that is not blocked. I can't speak for Emmanuel but I wonder why you can't collaborate more closely on this. I think it's undeniable you are the most experienced OpenJDK maintainer and maybe the only one that's is active right now (I think Damien is busy nowadays). So, if Emmanuel is interested on the maintenance I think it's a good opportunity to integrate him to that workflow and have more people on board. Afaics, fixing build failures with openjdk-8 as the default is not blocked. That's absolutely true. However, if openjdk-8 is not going to be included on jessie then the priority of taking care of those bugs is not going to be very high for maintainers. debian-java is not the place to speculate about NEW processing. I concur. However, as I said I brought this topic because I'm wondering about the relevance of some bugs at this point of the release cycle, so it's tangentially relevant (for me at least). Cheers, -- Miguel Landaeta, nomadium at debian.org secure email with PGP 0x6E608B637D8967E9 available at http://miguel.cc/key. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. -- Nietzsche signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 09:17:09AM +0200, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le 25/05/2014 03:06, Miguel Landaeta a écrit : Is there any news on this? No, Matthias told me he was working on it but he hasn't committed anything yet. The package has been on hold for 3 weeks now :/ It's me again. I'm still wondering why after so many weeks we don't have an openjdk-8 package available in sid if Emmanuel already prepared it and is actively working in the associated transition. IMO, it's not fair to block this. I have simpler packages than this one waiting for NEW processing for weeks so at this point I really wonder if a more complex package like openjdk-8 will be accepted in before the freeze. -- Miguel Landaeta, nomadium at debian.org secure email with PGP 0x6E608B637D8967E9 available at http://miguel.cc/key. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. -- Nietzsche signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Am 25.06.2014 14:51, schrieb Miguel Landaeta: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 09:17:09AM +0200, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le 25/05/2014 03:06, Miguel Landaeta a écrit : Is there any news on this? No, Matthias told me he was working on it but he hasn't committed anything yet. The package has been on hold for 3 weeks now :/ It's me again. I'm still wondering why after so many weeks we don't have an openjdk-8 package available in sid if Emmanuel already prepared it and is actively working in the associated transition. IMO, it's not fair to block this. it is not blocked, it is work in progress. Emmanuel did decide to change the packaging, and did decide to drop support for most Debian architectures. Dropping support for Debian architectures will automatically block this package later on. I'm still in progress looking at his commits and applying these to a source package which builds on all architectures currently supported by openjdk-7. Afaics, fixing build failures with openjdk-8 as the default is not blocked. I have simpler packages than this one waiting for NEW processing for weeks so at this point I really wonder if a more complex package like openjdk-8 will be accepted in before the freeze. debian-java is not the place to speculate about NEW processing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53aad2f4.7080...@debian.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Le 25/06/2014 15:47, Matthias Klose a écrit : it is not blocked, it is work in progress. Emmanuel did decide to change the packaging, and did decide to drop support for most Debian architectures. I'm not sure to understand what you mean here. I haven't been able to test on other architectures but I removed nothing in debian/rules or in the patches that was related to other archs support, precisely because I expected porters to start from the openjdk-7 patches to support openjdk-8. Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53aadd4b.2090...@apache.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Le 25/05/2014 03:06, Miguel Landaeta a écrit : Is there any news on this? No, Matthias told me he was working on it but he hasn't committed anything yet. The package has been on hold for 3 weeks now :/ I still think the package should be uploaded as is. It may not be perfect, not build on every arch, but this can be fixed later. If we want to have a chance to decide if switching to Java 8 by default is appropriate we should make openjdk-8 widely available as soon as possible to gather sufficient feedback. Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/538198f5.5030...@apache.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Is there any news on this? -- Miguel Landaeta, nomadium at debian.org secure email with PGP 0x6E608B637D8967E9 available at http://db.debian.org/fetchkey.cgi?fingerprint=4CB7FE1E280ECC90F29A597E6E608B637D8967E9 Faith means not wanting to know what is true. -- Nietzsche signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Am 02.05.2014 12:40, schrieb Emmanuel Bourg: Hi all, Here we go, I prepared the openjdk-8 package and I'm looking for a sponsor to upload it. There are several issues pending but the package is already usable to work on the Java 8 transition. Please don't sponsor this package. I'm preparing an upload myself. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53639a27.6050...@debian.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
On 02/05/2014 15:14, Matthias Klose wrote: Am 02.05.2014 12:40, schrieb Emmanuel Bourg: Hi all, Here we go, I prepared the openjdk-8 package and I'm looking for a sponsor to upload it. There are several issues pending but the package is already usable to work on the Java 8 transition. Please don't sponsor this package. I'm preparing an upload myself. Hu? That is not very fair... You are aware that Emmanuel has been working on this for the last month and you won't even use his work... What a waste of his time. So, in the future, stop complaining about the lack of contributors on OpenJDK packaging... Sylvestre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53639b50.3020...@debian.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Am 02.05.2014 15:19, schrieb Sylvestre Ledru: On 02/05/2014 15:14, Matthias Klose wrote: Am 02.05.2014 12:40, schrieb Emmanuel Bourg: Hi all, Here we go, I prepared the openjdk-8 package and I'm looking for a sponsor to upload it. There are several issues pending but the package is already usable to work on the Java 8 transition. Please don't sponsor this package. I'm preparing an upload myself. Hu? That is not very fair... You are aware that Emmanuel has been working on this for the last month and you won't even use his work... What a waste of his time. So, in the future, stop complaining about the lack of contributors on OpenJDK packaging... I didn't say that I won't use his work. And yes, it's a waste of my time to start this work within a new vcs which is neither used by upstream or the current maintainers. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53639dad.3090...@debian.org
Re: RFS: openjdk-8/8u5-b13-1 (NEW)
Le 02/05/2014 15:29, Matthias Klose a écrit : I didn't say that I won't use his work. And yes, it's a waste of my time to start this work within a new vcs which is neither used by upstream or the current maintainers. I'd like to thank you for accepting to pursue the work on Alioth. I understand it's unpleasant to change its habits. I'm convinced the Git repository on Alioth will lower the entry barrier for new contributors, it has already started with contributions from Jan Henke and Markus Koschany over the past month. Emmanuel Bourg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5363b030.6050...@apache.org
