Re: kde.debian.net website

[Kamil Kisiel]

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On Thursday 10 January 2002 17:20, G. L. `Griz' Inabnit wrote:
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> The first thing that comes to mind is a list of sites where the .deb
> archives are kept at.
>   And this is NOT just for .deb(ian) We also need to support apt-rpm if we
> can. I'd like to see some archives for the (don't scream at me!!) apt-rpm
> sites too. I don't 'like' RedHate, but with the new apt that is in it, it
> sure would be sweet if we could support it. (convert those fadora wearin'
> strangers!)
>
>   Just my $ 0.02:--)
>
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The .deb archives are already linked to from packages.debian.org, as for 
apt-rpm, read what Chris said :D However, if there are unofficial Debian 
packages of KDE programs that are not yet part of Debian, we may consider 
linking to those, with a not-supported-officially-dont-bug-us-if-it-dont-work 
kind of disclaimer. Keeping this list of mirrors current may be a problem.

Kamil
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Re: kde.debian.net website

[Chris Cheney]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:20:12PM -0800, G. L. `Griz' Inabnit wrote:
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> The first thing that comes to mind is a list of sites where the .deb archives
> are kept at.

Currently in "the archive" soon there will be kde3 debs at
http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/

>   And this is NOT just for .deb(ian) We also need to support apt-rpm if 
> we can.
> I'd like to see some archives for the (don't scream at me!!) apt-rpm sites
> too. I don't 'like' RedHate, but with the new apt that is in it, it sure
> would be sweet if we could support it. (convert those fadora wearin'
> strangers!)

How would supporting RedHat help convert them to Debian? :)  Isn't KDE already
in RedHat anyway?  If RedHat wants to use apt-rpm then they are free to
setup their own mirrors to use with it.

Chris

RE: [kde] and, for my next trick ...

[Donald R. Spoon]

Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming. Now, the only packages that need
rebuilding are kdeaddons, kinkatta, kmerlin, koffice, and maybe kdetoys
(not sure on that one - Ben?). kdelibs was installed last night.
Thanks muchly to calc for dealing with dodgy Build-Depends, hurried
patches, huge builds, many uploads, and me. He's been absolutely
invaluable; KDE3 is in good hands.
--snip-- <
Have at it.
--
Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Just some follow-up from a "user".
I did the kdelibs3 upgrades on 8 Jan to my remaining computer running 
KDE from Debian unstable.  This upgrade alone restore "most" of the 
functionality I had lost, however some apps still wouldn't work (i.e. 
KOFFICE). I would say it was about a 90% solution to the problem.

I did the additional upgrades (kdebase, etc) tonight and a few more 
problems resolved, but the improvement with the new stuff wasn't as 
noticable as it was with the kdelibs3 upgrades on the first night.

I am a "happy camper" again, and can wait on the rest whenever they 
appear.  At least my KDE is usable again.

MANY THANKS for the quick response and fix to ALL involved.  I know it 
was a MAJOR job, and my hat is off to you.

One quick question.  I also have a DEC Alpha here.  I had noticed that 
the new packages for the Alpha seemed to lag those for the i386 by a few 
days, so when this problem cropped up on the i386 arch, I quit updating 
my Alpha KDE install.  Will the Alpha KDE tree go through the same 
sequence as we have seen here, or did someone manage to "short-circuit" 
this problem before it got uploaded?  I don't want to break a working 
Alpha install.  I would quess this question goes for the other supported 
arches as well.

Cheers,
-Don Spoon-

Re: kde.debian.net website

[Achim Bohnet]

On Friday 11 January 2002 02:05, Kamil Kisiel wrote:
 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I recently volunteered to create and maintain the new kde.debian.net website.

Great.

> Currently I am planning to have news on the latest package updates and severe 
> problems that users should look out for (such as the recent libpng stuff) as 
> well as an FAQ. Apart from these, I am not sure what users would like to see 
> on the web site and as such I am writing here to ask for suggestions. Apart 
> from news & docs, what would people like to see on the website? I do not 
> intend to duplicate content, so anything that's already on the *.kde.org 
> sites will likely not be added.

What might be useful:

o list of all kde packages for testing + kde unstable ;)
o kde pkg version in stable, testing and unstable (+ link to why not in 
testing?)
o numbered submit bugs in last, e.g. 3 days

Achim
> 
> - -Kamil
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Re: kde.debian.net website

[G. L. `Griz' Inabnit]

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On Thursday 10 January 2002 05:05 pm, Kamil Kisiel wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I recently volunteered to create and maintain the new kde.debian.net
> website. Currently I am planning to have news on the latest package updates
> and severe problems that users should look out for (such as the recent
> libpng stuff) as well as an FAQ. Apart from these, I am not sure what users
> would like to see on the web site and as such I am writing here to ask for
> suggestions. Apart from news & docs, what would people like to see on the
> website? I do not intend to duplicate content, so anything that's already
> on the *.kde.org sites will likely not be added.
>
> -Kamil

The first thing that comes to mind is a list of sites where the .deb archives
are kept at.
And this is NOT just for .deb(ian) We also need to support apt-rpm if 
we can.
I'd like to see some archives for the (don't scream at me!!) apt-rpm sites
too. I don't 'like' RedHate, but with the new apt that is in it, it sure
would be sweet if we could support it. (convert those fadora wearin'
strangers!)

Just my $ 0.02:--)

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kde.debian.net website

[Kamil Kisiel]

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Hello everyone,

I recently volunteered to create and maintain the new kde.debian.net website. 
Currently I am planning to have news on the latest package updates and severe 
problems that users should look out for (such as the recent libpng stuff) as 
well as an FAQ. Apart from these, I am not sure what users would like to see 
on the web site and as such I am writing here to ask for suggestions. Apart 
from news & docs, what would people like to see on the website? I do not 
intend to duplicate content, so anything that's already on the *.kde.org 
sites will likely not be added.

- -Kamil
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Re: [kde] and, for my next trick ...

[Chris Cheney]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:08:56PM +, John Gay wrote:
> On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:17, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
> > kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming. Now, the only packages that need
> > rebuilding are kdeaddons, kinkatta, kmerlin, koffice, and maybe kdetoys
> > (not sure on that one - Ben?). kdelibs was installed last night.
> >
> That was a quick 10-14 days ; )

It was 10-14 days for Woody, if no RC bugs block it.

> As with everyone else, I'll be waiting for everything to hit the unstable 
> mirrors so I can upgrade in peace!
> 
> Thanks for the quick work! You and Chris are a credit to Debian! Keep up the 
> great work!

Thanks :)

> Cheers,
> 
>   John Gay

Re: [kde] and, for my next trick ...

[Ben Burton]

> The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
> kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming. Now, the only packages that need
> rebuilding are kdeaddons, kinkatta, kmerlin, koffice, and maybe kdetoys
> (not sure on that one - Ben?). kdelibs was installed last night.

I don't believe kdetoys needs a rebuild.

As for koffice and kdeaddons, my network access at this conference is
somewhat less than I had hoped for and I won't be able to upload new builds
for another week or so.  If people are happy with that, that's cool.  If
someone desperately needs it sooner and feels the need to NMU, that's cool
also but please talk with me first so we can discuss what changes you're
planning if any.

Ben.

status for Woody users

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

Greetings:

Would like to know if we have a good idea (or any) of when kde will migrate 
from unstable to testing?  I wish to avoid as much migratory damage as 
possible locally and elsewhere.

Next, there was a foopah in November with forcing parts of kde during 
upgrades using apt.  Has this been resolved?  It sprung up two nights ago 
when I did a dist-upgrade on another Woody box that hadn't been touched for 
several months.

TIA and great work all!

tatah and 73

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Re: [kde] and, for my next trick ...

[John Gay]

On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:17, Daniel Stone wrote:
> The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
> kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming. Now, the only packages that need
> rebuilding are kdeaddons, kinkatta, kmerlin, koffice, and maybe kdetoys
> (not sure on that one - Ben?). kdelibs was installed last night.
>
That was a quick 10-14 days ; )

As with everyone else, I'll be waiting for everything to hit the unstable 
mirrors so I can upgrade in peace!

Thanks for the quick work! You and Chris are a credit to Debian! Keep up the 
great work!

Cheers,

John Gay

Re: [kde] and, for my next trick ...

[Giles Constant]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Daniel Stone wrote:

> The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
> kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming.

Excellent work!  What are the version numbers of the fixed packages and
when can we upgrade?

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Re: [kde] and, for my next trick ...

[Daniel Stone]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:19:52AM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:17:08PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
> > kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming. Now, the only packages that need
> > rebuilding are kdeaddons, kinkatta, kmerlin, koffice, and maybe kdetoys
> > (not sure on that one - Ben?). kdelibs was installed last night.
> > 
> > Thanks muchly to calc for dealing with dodgy Build-Depends, hurried
> > patches, huge builds, many uploads, and me. He's been absolutely
> > invaluable; KDE3 is in good hands.
> > 
> > On another note, I think it's a credit to the sponsorship system that
> > I'm actually able to maintain KDE2.2; it's in fact quicker for calc to
> > build KDE than it is for me (AthlonXP 1800 vs P2 350; I'll have access
> > to some P3 Xeons soon). Obviously DDness would be far preferable, but
> > ya.
> > 
> 
> Please, have a look at #127948 (should merge #128195) 
> which should be grave bugs IMHO.
> Is this solved also now? I removed KDE at all in my sid.
> To reinstall it, kpackage issue needs to be solved.
> This is a PIV 1400Mhz, maybe I could help :)

An upload is pending.

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Re: [ccheney@cheney.cx: libqt2 libpng2 resolution]

[Anthony Towns]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:44:34AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> To put my example for an "ugly problem" in words:
> A program links with two libraries. One of them has an inter-library
> dependency on libpng2, the other one has an inter-library dependency on
> libpng3. AFAIR the -dev packages of these libraries don't necessarily have
> to depend on libpng*-dev.

There's nothing wrong with having libfoo-dev require libpng3 and bar
require libqt which needs libpng2; and it's completely reasonable to
expect to be able to build programs based on libfoo or libqt on a single
system without having to run apt-get in the meantime.

The only thing we can't manage, is building a program that uses both
libfoo and libqt at the same time. At the moment, if you try that (AIUI),
it'll build and link fine, but just fail to work when you try it. In
theory the maintainer should notice this immediately, and not do an
upload at all. Is there any reason for the maintainer not to notice, if
s/he does any testing at all?

It'd be nicer, though, if it failed to link at all, assuming it's never
going to work. Is there any way to achieve this?

Cheers,
aj

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Re: [ccheney@cheney.cx: libqt2 libpng2 resolution]

[Adrian Bunk]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Adam Heath wrote:

> > > What? That means that you can't have a libpng3 program on a machine with
> > > libqt2-dev installed ... icky.
> >
> > Yes, but that's the only way I see to ensure that there aren't some ugly
> > problems like e.g.
>
> No, completely wrong.  You want to keep the -dev packages from being installed
> at once.  It's the -dev package for a library that says what a program gets
> linked to.  Just having the library on the machine does not mean packages can
> be linked to it.
>
> Get a clue.

I didn't get it yet.

To put my example for an "ugly problem" in words:
A program links with two libraries. One of them has an inter-library
dependency on libpng2, the other one has an inter-library dependency on
libpng3. AFAIR the -dev packages of these libraries don't necessarily have
to depend on libpng*-dev.

Is the last sentence wrong or where else am I wrong?

TIA
Adrian

Re: [kde] and, for my next trick ...

[Francesco P. Lovergine]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:17:08PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
> kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming. Now, the only packages that need
> rebuilding are kdeaddons, kinkatta, kmerlin, koffice, and maybe kdetoys
> (not sure on that one - Ben?). kdelibs was installed last night.
> 
> Thanks muchly to calc for dealing with dodgy Build-Depends, hurried
> patches, huge builds, many uploads, and me. He's been absolutely
> invaluable; KDE3 is in good hands.
> 
> On another note, I think it's a credit to the sponsorship system that
> I'm actually able to maintain KDE2.2; it's in fact quicker for calc to
> build KDE than it is for me (AthlonXP 1800 vs P2 350; I'll have access
> to some P3 Xeons soon). Obviously DDness would be far preferable, but
> ya.
> 

Please, have a look at #127948 (should merge #128195) 
which should be grave bugs IMHO.
Is this solved also now? I removed KDE at all in my sid.
To reinstall it, kpackage issue needs to be solved.
This is a PIV 1400Mhz, maybe I could help :)

Thanks for your efforts.

-- 
Francesco P. Lovergine

[kde] and, for my next trick ...

[Daniel Stone]

The libpng[23] screwup in unstable is now more or less resolved with
kde{base,graphics,network} in incoming. Now, the only packages that need
rebuilding are kdeaddons, kinkatta, kmerlin, koffice, and maybe kdetoys
(not sure on that one - Ben?). kdelibs was installed last night.

Thanks muchly to calc for dealing with dodgy Build-Depends, hurried
patches, huge builds, many uploads, and me. He's been absolutely
invaluable; KDE3 is in good hands.

On another note, I think it's a credit to the sponsorship system that
I'm actually able to maintain KDE2.2; it's in fact quicker for calc to
build KDE than it is for me (AthlonXP 1800 vs P2 350; I'll have access
to some P3 Xeons soon). Obviously DDness would be far preferable, but
ya.

Have at it.

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From: Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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