Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread tluxt2
Hi ben,

I have ready your message (below).  

I am sending you this note because, based on your very last comment below, I am
concerned that somewhere along the communication channel part of the message I
sent to you did not get to you.  (See below.)

--- ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 19 February 2002 03:01 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi ben,
 
  I read your message with some interest.  In order to help me give you a
  response on par with your interest, will you please provide me some
  clarification about some things that are ambiguous to me about your
  message? TIA.
 
 ...
  PS: I am very busy currently, but I will make an effort to respond to you
  within a week of your reply, at most, and perhaps within a few days.
 
 
 solely out of a consideration that you seem to be unable to exert for the 
 benefit of others, i accept that you are, for whatever reason, but, 
 nonetheless, by your own admission, possibly unable to respond to this 
 promptly.
 
 as for your inability to properly interpret my intentions, i can only say 
 that the ambiguity you suggest was a part of my post to you is a further 
 product of your arrogance. you are rude. you are obnoxious. you assume a 
 position of special entitlement without the slightest attempt to accord 
 respect to those to whom respect is due. on the basis of constructing a 
 howto, you assume the right to exact obligations of notice from those whose 
 proven efforts far exceed anything you offer. you render accusations of 
 delinquency that are entirely unwarranted and unjustified.
 
 is this clear enough? is there a trace of ambiguity here?
 
 you owe chris cheney an apology. you owe the list an apology for your 
 attempted disparagement of the effort he invests in what he does. your 
 attempt to assert obligation where none exist is antithetical to the whole 
 premise of what debian is about. 
 
 as to whether or not i wanted a response to the original questions, the 
 answer is yes, i do want a considered response to 

 those questions--which, i 
 notice, you haven't taken the effort to quote.

That last statement does not make sense to me.  I did quote them.  (It appears
in my message, at the end, after a line of ='s.)  The quote came through to
me in the bounce of my message, through the list, back to me.  It is also
clearly shown in Konq at the archive page:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/debian-kde-200202/msg00200.html

I mention this because if someone reading my message did not see that part,
they would have an incomplete understanding of that message.

In order for me to get you the best considered response possible, please
re-check my message in your mail program, and on that web page.  Please then
reply to this message letting me know either:
1) That you do now see that I quoted your full message, 
   and the method I used in doing so, or
2) clarifying your statement above.

Thanks.

 
 ben


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Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread tluxt2
The first sentence in my previous message should have been:

I have read your message (below).

not

 I have ready your message (below).  

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Re: Distibutions (was KDE Debian distribution)

2002-02-20 Thread Bastiaan Naber
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 00:17, Gregor Zeitlinger wrote:



Well build your own kde based distribution! Shouldn't be to hard.
And if your right you will have a winning product, can become 
milionair, etc.

I agree people don't want to hear about al these versions of this
and versions of that, but it is what linux is about. You can
should which version you think is most stable and use it. 

Bastiaan




Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread Brian K. Vagts
Since when have maintainers been allowed to have a social life? :-)

Seriously...thanks for all the great work guys.  I am very dependent on, and 
happy with the packages you provide, and I know several friends not anywhere 
near an official Debian list that are in the same position.

Brian

On Monday 18 February 2002 05:17 am, Daniel Stone wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 02:00:04AM -0800, Derek Gladding wrote:
  On Monday 18 February 2002 01:36 am, ben wrote:
   On Monday 18 February 2002 12:43 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok
ccheney is MIA for  1 week with no advance notice of planned
absence
  
   [stuff]
 
  Seconded. (well put, ben)

 AOL.

 I couldn't agree more. I wonder how many people on this list would like
 to be the Debian KDE maintainer for a while and then try to maintain a
 social and school life next to that.

 Come on now, don't all volunteer at once. ;)

 d




Tips on CUPS + KDE + Debian Testing NOTE: long msg!

2002-02-20 Thread Donald R. Spoon
I recently decided to install CUPS on my main linux box with the 
eventual goal of making it a print-server for the rest of my home LAN. 
I was sucessful in getting it going on the single machine because of 
questions asked by others on the Debian-KDE and Debian-Users mailing 
lists.  Getting it going on a single machine has been discussed in 
previous messages, so I won't dwell on that aspect of it except to 
make a few notes:

1.  The cupsys-driver-gimpprint package is EXCELLENT.  It supports a 
wide variety of printers, and of all the printer drivers I have tried, 
it far excels in the quality of printing on my HP 960c inkjet.  Highly 
recommeded!  BEWARE!  This package comes in several languages  ALL are 
installed.  The en is the second selection from the top, and is NOT 
diferentiated as such during the KDE printer config.  You can only see 
the differences if you use the localhost:631 method to configure your 
printer.

2.  If you are going to be in a mixed system that involves some lpr 
systems, you might want to pay close attention during the install to the 
question about setting cupsysd suid root.  My LAN is/will be straight 
CUPS, so it didn't make much difference.  You also want to install the 
cupsys-bsd package.

3.  A fully-functional CUPS + KDE  install in Debian Testing will 
require the following packages:  cupsys, cupsys-client, 
cupsys-pstorastor, libcupsys2, and kdelibs3-cups.  If you want lpr/bsd 
compatability with other printing systems, you should add cupsys-bsd.

4.  The KDE Control Center - System - Printing Manager tool is 
EXCELLENT.  About all you have to do to get a running system is select 
CUPS as your printing system at the bottom, and add your printer.  This 
will bring up a wizard that will lead you through all the steps.  This 
is the series of screens that will show you about 4 available gimpprint 
drivers that all look the same.  They are not... select the second one 
from the top if you want English or check it with the http screens 
available at localhost:631.

After I got CUPS running on a single machine, I turned my attention to 
getting it on my LAN as the LAN printer.  I wandered around in the 
desolate wilderness of the documentation for about a week without any 
progress.  I finally yelled for help on the Debian-Users mailing list, 
and a kind soul guided me through a MANUAL config for the network. 
After I got it going, I re-traced my steps, and again, the KDE Printing 
Manager proved to be the BEST tool to set it up.  Here are the steps:

1.  Pull up the Printing Manager and click on the Configure Server Icon.
2  Accept the default settings EXCEPT for the below steps:
3.  Check the Enable Browsing on the Browsing screen.
4.  Go to the Security screen.  In the Resources box, you should 
find two entries already there.. one for Root and another for 
Administration.  Click on add and select your printer's name (lp?) 
from the pull-down resource menu.  Click on the Access tab and put 
your LAN IP number in the Allow box (i.e. 192.168.10.*) and ALL in 
the Deny box  The order should be Deny, Allow.  Click OK to save the 
changes.

5.  Restart the server... there is a button for it to the left of the 
Configure Server icon.

At this point remote computers running CUPS will list your printer and 
you can set it to be the default on the remote systems.  Check out 
everything by printing test pages.

I hope these ruminations will prevent others from the aimless wandering 
and editing of various conf files that I did. I appologize to those who 
think I have wasted their time.

Cheers,
-Don Spoon-



Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread ben
On Tuesday 19 February 2002 10:30 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snipped, due to sheer irrelevance]

for someone allegedly so concerned with detail and precision, neither your 
repost nor the archive link which you allege provides evidence of having 
included a quote of my post, actually, do that. 

just give it up. redeem yourself (if, indeed, you have any intent to do so) 
by conceding that the only necessary obligation--in this case, of gratitude 
and respect owed by the benficiaries of the unpaid labor of others--exists on 
the side of the users towards the maintainers, and not the other way around. 

why do you persist in making such an ass of yourself? 

i will, given proper indication of such effort, acknowledge any attempt that 
you make to offer redress for the offence you have caused. until then, i see 
absolutely no point to a continuance of this communication.

ben




Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:27:25AM -0800, ben wrote:
 just give it up. redeem yourself (if, indeed, you have any intent to do so) 
 by conceding that the only necessary obligation--in this case, of gratitude 
 and respect owed by the benficiaries of the unpaid labor of others--exists on 
 the side of the users towards the maintainers, and not the other way around. 

While I appreciate your support, sometimes I think you overplay the
maintainers' stocks a little bit. :)

When we take on a package, we take on the responsibility of maintaining
it ... given, we might not be able to do an absolute perfect job, but we
did say we'd do a job, and so we should always endeavour to do it, when
reasonable.

-d

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2002-02-20 Thread Matthias Wenzel




Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread ben
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 01:16 am, Daniel Stone wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:27:25AM -0800, ben wrote:
  just give it up. redeem yourself (if, indeed, you have any intent to do
  so) by conceding that the only necessary obligation--in this case, of
  gratitude and respect owed by the benficiaries of the unpaid labor of
  others--exists on the side of the users towards the maintainers, and not
  the other way around.

 While I appreciate your support, sometimes I think you overplay the
 maintainers' stocks a little bit. :)

 When we take on a package, we take on the responsibility of maintaining
 it ... given, we might not be able to do an absolute perfect job, but we
 did say we'd do a job, and so we should always endeavour to do it, when
 reasonable.

given that the product of your willingness to take on those responsibilities 
results in a pure win for those of us who reap the benefit, it just plain 
pisses me off when some arrogant asshole tries to assert an obligation on 
your (collective) part solely in order to assauge his solely personal 
interests at the expense of according appreciation where it's deserved. as 
someone who accrues the benefit of your work, at absolutely no cost to 
myself, it seems to me that the least i can do, in return, is to bring that 
fool's attention to the idea that his attitude is pitiable.

along with that, i'd like to add that you may not be aware of the fact that 
there are a whole big lot of people out here who are, really, just plain 
users, who don't necessarily have any other ambition than to run a small home 
or office system that might even do nothing other than give us the freedom to 
revel in our (debian-enabled) supremely functional independence of ms'ed up 
operating systems. from your humble response, it kinda sounds like not enough 
of us have been showing up to say thanks. that's really all that this is 
about. 

kde is primarily a single user oriented environment, and, as far as i know, 
none of the maintainers have commited themselves to any responsibility beyond 
that, such as to specifically accommodate enterprise or even development 
oriented interests--not that you neglect those users, either. but, 
consequently, the majority of those who gain by your efforts are the regular 
folks who have made--given the context of their origin as discouraged 
windon't users--a comparable effort in risking all that was familar, however 
repugnant, to embrace a system where, rightly, there is no-one to blame but 
oneself in the event of any of the common usage problems that might arise.  
nonetheless, you guys continually cover our asses, getting us, as solidly as 
you can, back up when we thought that we were down. that, to my mind, 
deserves far more appreciation than scorn.

if that's too much, sorry.

ben




Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:21:04AM -0800, ben wrote:
 On Wednesday 20 February 2002 01:16 am, Daniel Stone wrote:
  While I appreciate your support, sometimes I think you overplay the
  maintainers' stocks a little bit. :)
 
  When we take on a package, we take on the responsibility of maintaining
  it ... given, we might not be able to do an absolute perfect job, but we
  did say we'd do a job, and so we should always endeavour to do it, when
  reasonable.
 
 given that the product of your willingness to take on those responsibilities 
 results in a pure win for those of us who reap the benefit, it just plain 
 pisses me off when some arrogant asshole tries to assert an obligation on 
 your (collective) part solely in order to assauge his solely personal 
 interests at the expense of according appreciation where it's deserved. as 
 someone who accrues the benefit of your work, at absolutely no cost to 
 myself, it seems to me that the least i can do, in return, is to bring that 
 fool's attention to the idea that his attitude is pitiable.

I don't mind people passively doing nothing, but active demands and
hostility are always shithouse.

Good: Hi, I notice you haven't got KDE3b2 debs yet. Is there a reason
for this, or do you just need help, and what with?.
Bad: Where are the KDE3b2 debs? I need them!!.

 along with that, i'd like to add that you may not be aware of the fact that 
 there are a whole big lot of people out here who are, really, just plain 
 users, who don't necessarily have any other ambition than to run a small home 
 or office system that might even do nothing other than give us the freedom to 
 revel in our (debian-enabled) supremely functional independence of ms'ed up 
 operating systems. from your humble response, it kinda sounds like not enough 
 of us have been showing up to say thanks. that's really all that this is 
 about. 

I don't mind that users don't really say thanks, I don't even mind if
developers and debian-kde people say thanks or not ... it's always
appreciated, but not essential. The best thing people can do is offer to
help. That's the best thanks a maintainer can ever get.

 kde is primarily a single user oriented environment, and, as far as i know, 
 none of the maintainers have commited themselves to any responsibility beyond 
 that, such as to specifically accommodate enterprise or even development 
 oriented interests--not that you neglect those users, either. but, 
 consequently, the majority of those who gain by your efforts are the regular 
 folks who have made--given the context of their origin as discouraged 
 windon't users--a comparable effort in risking all that was familar, however 
 repugnant, to embrace a system where, rightly, there is no-one to blame but 
 oneself in the event of any of the common usage problems that might arise.  
 nonetheless, you guys continually cover our asses, getting us, as solidly as 
 you can, back up when we thought that we were down. that, to my mind, 
 deserves far more appreciation than scorn.

My focuses (focii? foca?) are: a) end-user, b) development. As someone
who writes KDE apps myself (mainly in-house, sadly), Of course, if
something breaks, then that becomes the first priority - squashing
important bugs. An example was the libpng fiasco, which broke
everything: that became our first priority over everything (in KDE, not
in life).

 if that's too much, sorry.

Don't apologise. You'll grow old and bitter very quickly. :)

-d

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Joy BTW, guys, imagine you were newbies ;) and read www.debian.org/distrib/
Joy tell me if anything bugs your newbie self
asuffield Joy: bash: www.debian.org/distrib/: No such file or directory
Joy not THAT kind of newbie. :)


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Re: icq client

2002-02-20 Thread Christian Schoenebeck
 please cc me - I'm offlist 

Am Montag, 11. Februar 2002 21:10 schrieb G. L. `Griz' Inabnit:

 
  I tried licq (both, testing and unstable version) icq client,
  but it doesn't seem to run propely. I can logon but nobody
  sees me and I`m not able to download my user list.
 
  Is there anything I can do to fix that or is there better icq
  client?

 We have been experiencing some 'strange behavior' also with the packaged
 version of licq for sid (1.0.4-ssl). You could be dealing with a
 combination of errors. Can you add anyone to your list (one at a time) and
 get a connection to them? Are you firewalled? (yours or someone elses?)

 /me is waiting for licq 1.1.0 to be packaged for Debian!!  :--)

It seems that I can logon to ICQ and I added some people manually but I 
wasn't neither able to cummunicate with them nor could I retrieve their user 
informations or something. They're all displayed if they were offline (they 
were online). I tried to send them a message, but the message window closed 
after pressing 'send' (normal?) and of course I didn't get any response.

Christian




Re: Distibutions (was KDE Debian distribution)

2002-02-20 Thread Michel Loos
 Two things need to be done:
 
   A) Preloading. Persuade Dell or Compaq to load Linux on *ALL*
  machines (and sell Windows as an optional upgrade).


That helps for business machines.

 
   B) Games. Kids had absolutely no problems spending WEEKS trying
  to customize CONFIG.SYS, installing new memory managers,
  hacking their system to get more free RAM, just for DOOM to
  be 0.2% faster.
  They will become the ultimate Linux cracks if the goal is
  there. You just can't impress a 13-old with an ultra-fast 
  and stable Apache.
 
  I couldn't care less about games, but I know a LOT of people
  who would switch to Linux today if they could play games
  there.


100% correct. Apple lost the Macintosh-PC war because most of the games
running on serious machines (that was the time where there were a lot
of 8bit home computers + the Amiga as pure diversion computers) came out
on PC before (if ever) on Mac.

When Games will be put on the market at the same timeon Linux and
Windows. Linux will win, because in addition it is more serious.

Michel.




Re: Konqueror, HTML forms, wrapping and font handling

2002-02-20 Thread yugami
- Original Message -
From: Jens Benecke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Konqueror, HTML forms, wrapping and font handling

 2.1.  Another thing that has been annoying me in the latest versions
 is that if there is ever a textarea with animated .gif's on the same
 page, text input is *extremely* laggy, sometimes it takes up to a
 second for a character I type to be displayed on the screen, and

I have seen this but I haven't yet blamed it on animated .gifs. I'll
have to watch for this.

I don't know if its just animated gifs, I usually get strange lag on googles
front page, it always reminds me of a really laggy ssh connection, ie i type
what i want, wait a while and then it shows up and i hit enter.

speaking of which, if the edit box hasn't caught up with me and i hit tab it
adds a character to the edit box not the normal action of changing the form
forus to the next element.




Re: need help with kdm no.2

2002-02-20 Thread Sebastian Heinlein
Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2002 15:24 schrieb Mike Carter:
 Hi team,
 2nd attempt to get this answered,
 how do I get debian stable to boot with kdm starting kde not any
 other
 gui?  I have tried to get it to run with kde on boot but no success.
 I am obviously missing something important and possibly basic.
 But I
 can't fix it.  The debian user guide didn't help.
  It told me to modify files which don't exist.  Looking forward to
  your
 replies.


 cheers,
 Mike

Perhaps, you have to install KDE?
http://kde.debian.net




Re: Distibutions (was KDE Debian distribution)

2002-02-20 Thread Bastiaan Naber
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 14:33, Michel Loos wrote:
  B) Games. Kids had absolutely no problems spending WEEKS trying
 to customize CONFIG.SYS, installing new memory managers,
 hacking their system to get more free RAM, just for DOOM to
 be 0.2% faster.
 They will become the ultimate Linux cracks if the goal is
 there. You just can't impress a 13-old with an ultra-fast
 and stable Apache.
 
 I couldn't care less about games, but I know a LOT of people
 who would switch to Linux today if they could play games
 there.

 100% correct. Apple lost the Macintosh-PC war because most of the games
 running on serious machines (that was the time where there were a lot
 of 8bit home computers + the Amiga as pure diversion computers) came out
 on PC before (if ever) on Mac.

 When Games will be put on the market at the same timeon Linux and
 Windows. Linux will win, because in addition it is more serious.

Still I think also OLD games should be playable under linux, I'd still
like to play games from the 80's once in a while. I have an old pentium
for that at the moment. I have tried to run them under dosemu, but boy
is that slow. Simcity is not al all playable. Larry I won't even walk
two steps in a minute! 

Bastiaan




Re: MIDI not working with Debian-KDE and new policy of reverting back to alsa-0.5

2002-02-20 Thread Alan W. Irwin
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Chris wrote:

  Do alsa-0.5 drivers actually work with libasound2 or
  should Daniel also revert libarts-alsa and libkmid-alsa
  to depend on libasound1 rather than libasound2 to be
  consistent with the changed (from when Ivan Moore was the
  maintainer) Debian-kde-alsa policy? Although I would
  prefer to see alsa-0.9 working with Debian-kde, I am
  willing to go along with a change back to alsa-0.5 so
  long as it is done consistently.  But the dependency
  mixture we have now on both alsa-0.5 and alsa-0.9
  libraries is not right, and might be the source of my
  midi troubles.

 As far as Woody is concerned, I think it would be
 absolutely asinine to revert to alsa-0.5 considering how
 far 0.9 has come.  I'm all for policies that ensure
 stability, but in my experience, alsa-0.9 works fine for
 most people.  Any advanced users are going to want 0.9
 anyways and people running servers don't care about
 sound.  Furthermore, what is now alsa-0.9 is now in the
 2.5 kernel and I suppose you could say that alsa-1.0 is
 going to be in the 2.6 kernel eventually.  Is this going to
 cause problems for people using alsa-0.5 libraries?  If so,
 I think this choice is clearly wrong.

I agree, but Daniel is a volunteer so we have to gently coax him to do the
right thing;-) Already, there are signs that the Debian maintainer of
alsa is moving completely to 0.9 (or 1.0).  The default packages (without
suffix version numbers) are 0.9 while the special packages have a suffix of
0.5.  So in any case I think the alsa-dependent Debian-KDE packages will
soon be forced to go completely to 0.9 as well.

For now, I would be satisfied if we either support 0.5 or 0.9, but having
kmix depend on a 0.5 library and kmid depend on a 0.9 library (and
optionally the 0.5 libesd-alsa0 library) is clearly wrong.

The bottom line is that on my machine pmidi works fine, but kmid does not.
Furthermore, nobody has reported a success with the current kmid (either
with alsa 0.5, alsa 0.9 or even OSS drivers), and the previous (6 months ago
was the last time I tested) Debian kmid worked fine. Therefore, I suspect
that the current kmid build has been misconfigured, and if so I hope that
Daniel gets that straightened out.

Alan

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snail-mail:
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Re: need help with kdm no.2

2002-02-20 Thread Mike Carter
Sebastian I have kde installed,  read my request again and maybe 
you will understand my problem.  

On 20 Feb 2002, at 15:47, by way of Sebastian Heinlein wrote:

 Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2002 15:24 schrieb Mike Carter:
  Hi team,
  2nd attempt to get this answered,
  how do I get debian stable to boot with kdm starting kde not any
  other gui?  I have tried to get it to run with kde on boot but no
  success. I am obviously missing something important and possibly
  basic. But I can't fix it.  The debian user guide didn't help.
   It told me to modify files which don't exist.  Looking forward to
   your
  replies.
 
 
  cheers,
  Mike
 
 Perhaps, you have to install KDE?
 http://kde.debian.net
 
 
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Re: need help with kdm no.2

2002-02-20 Thread ben
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 12:48 pm, Mike Carter wrote:
 Sebastian I have kde installed,  read my request again and maybe
 you will understand my problem.

 On 20 Feb 2002, at 15:47, by way of Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
  Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2002 15:24 schrieb Mike Carter:
   Hi team,
   2nd attempt to get this answered,
   how do I get debian stable to boot with kdm starting kde not any
   other gui?  I have tried to get it to run with kde on boot but no
   success. I am obviously missing something important and possibly
   basic. But I can't fix it.  The debian user guide didn't help.
It told me to modify files which don't exist.  
[snip]

which files don't exist? perhaps you should start by acquiring them and 
completing the necessary modifications.

ben




Re: need help with kdm no.2

2002-02-20 Thread Brian K. Vagts
I have always added sessions in the past by editing the kdmrc file.  On my
system...I believe it is in /etc/kde2/kdm/kdmrc ...but dont quote me on
it..its not right in from of me.  In there...you will find a section labels
sessions.  Makes sure kde is listed as an option in there, you should see
the other sessions that you can launch already.

You might want to try starting kde from the command line just to make sure
that it is working fine.  try added startkde to an .xinitrc file in your
homedirectory and then type startx

brian

- Original Message -
From: Mike Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: need help with kdm no.2


 Sebastian I have kde installed,  read my request again and maybe
 you will understand my problem.

 On 20 Feb 2002, at 15:47, by way of Sebastian Heinlein wrote:

  Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2002 15:24 schrieb Mike Carter:
   Hi team,
   2nd attempt to get this answered,
   how do I get debian stable to boot with kdm starting kde not any
   other gui?  I have tried to get it to run with kde on boot but no
   success. I am obviously missing something important and possibly
   basic. But I can't fix it.  The debian user guide didn't help.
It told me to modify files which don't exist.  Looking forward to
your
   replies.
  
  
   cheers,
   Mike
 
  Perhaps, you have to install KDE?
  http://kde.debian.net
 
 
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Re: Distibutions (was KDE Debian distribution)

2002-02-20 Thread G. L. `Griz' Inabnit
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On Wednesday 20 February 2002 01:31 pm, Jens Benecke wrote:
[snip]


 Plus, Microsoft has started a really big FUD campaign about the GPL,
 which makes many vendors uneasy. At the same time they put stuff like
 we have a right to know what is on your harddisk in the EULA, and
 nobody seems to notice ...


BRAVO ZULU!!
At least I'm not the ONLY soul alive that noticed this and had alarm
flags/bells/whistles go off in his head!!

[rant]
I'm just a lowly American pion, but isn't Illegal sill illegal??? Why is
this company still allowd to do business??? What do they (M$) {or we the
users} have to do to get this elivated to the Omsa Bin Laden level?? How much
longer are we going to allow this company who's illegal (AND immoral) actions
threaten the world???!!!???
[/rant]

Jens, next time yer in the U.S., beer/dinner/whatever is on me! Thanks for
saying what I've felt for too long. (and yes, i fight them {personally} in
every way I can [including no longer supporting any of their 'server
systems'].

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Re: What's best quick fix for broken kde metapackage?

2002-02-20 Thread tluxt2
--- Chris Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:28:40AM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
  I'm willing to do an NMU if there really is a dpendency problem (and Chris
  doesn't object) but is there really a problem?
  
  I have libglib1.3-12 installed and I was also able to install the kde
  package without any dependency problems.  Are you sure it is not just
  because your apt mirror is not up to date or something?
 
 This should be fixed in the dinstall today.  There will be some other
 issues that will be fixed once I upload the rest of the kde packages.
 I hope that I will not be doing quite as much repackaging on the others
 (except for kdebase).

Hi Chris,

I just did an 
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get install kde

on the Sid that had the error installing kde (the start of this thread), and it
still has the same unmet dependency problems.  

So: I read about dinstall here
dinstall can now announce packages  close bugs for you
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/debian-devel-199901/msg02650.html

Does your statement This should be fixed in the dinstall today. explicitly
imply that that means when you (ccheney) do the dinstall that the packages
relevant to the fix get uploaded to the debian package pool, and thus become
available to Sid systems after they run apt-get update?  Or, does your
statement merely mean that the fix is installed in your own development system,
and that for it to be available to the rest of us it still must be uploaded by
you in a next step?

So: did you do the dinstall?
Is the fix now in the Sid package pool (and hence should have been available to
my system when I did apt-get update)?
If so - any idea why my Sid is still having this problem?
If not - when (in # of days) do you think Sid systems will be able to install
metapackage kde?

TIA.


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