Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Ben Burton]

> I just grepped the last four months of this list and you know how many
> instances of people.debian.org/~ccheney I find? ONE. This one.

I believe what you want to do is visit
http://webcvs.kde.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/kdefoobar/debian and look
through the CVS logs.  You'll see there's a lot more people actively
working on these packages (e.g., calc) than have actually passed by
your radar. ;-)

I'm actually happier to have just one or two download sites (e.g.,
Ralf's and Karolina's) with everything on them, since there's fewer
apt-lines to keep track of and less chance for everything to be built
under inconsistent environments and break in strange and unusual ways.
I don't publish binary packages for the modules I maintain for this very
reason.

b.

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[tomas pospisek]

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Brad Felmey wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
>
> > This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.
>
> I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
> packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.

Um - because you're not aware of Chris' work doesn't mean you're not
perusing _his_ work right now. (I suppose you're using one of the existing
package sets...)

There's certainly place for critique - in a constructive way - after all
I'm certain you can *pay* someone to do the packaging. It's voulounteer
work you know - you're free to step ahead and do better work.

I'm not sure I was fair all the time either, which I regret, it's hard to
get used to the fact that people are doing things for free and you can not
expect the same from them as from pay-work.

Happy new year everybody, keep up the good work and thanks!

*t (running "Ralf"'s 3.0.5a)

--
Nur was ist ein freiheitsliebender schweizer ?
Paul Bosshard

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Daniel Stone]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 05:24:33PM -0600, Brad Felmey scrawled:
> [reply OFF list]

Don't see why I should, since you're starting me.

> On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 15:56, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:06:49AM -0600, Brad Felmey scrawled:
> > > On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > > This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.
> > > 
> > > I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
> > > packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.
> > 
> > deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/kde-3.0.99+cvs20021220 ./
> > 
> > Most of the others are building on Chris's work from CVS. Do your
> > homework before you start mouthing off.
> 
> Do my homework? Are you kidding me?
> 
> I just grepped the last four months of this list and you know how many
> instances of people.debian.org/~ccheney I find? ONE. This one.
> 
> There was nothing in my reply that necessitated your attitude. I've
> re-read what I wrote, and I still stand by it. If you just desperately
> feel the need to be a jerk again, pick someone else off the list at
> random.

You made incorrect claims against Chris, I called you on them, it's that
simple.

-- 
Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Developer - http://kopete.kde.org, http://www.kde.org


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Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Daniel Stone]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 05:24:33PM -0600, Brad Felmey scrawled:
> [reply OFF list]
> 
> On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 15:56, Daniel Stone wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:06:49AM -0600, Brad Felmey scrawled:
> > > On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > > This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.
> > > 
> > > I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
> > > packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.
> > 
> > deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/kde-3.0.99+cvs20021220 ./
> > 
> > Most of the others are building on Chris's work from CVS. Do your
> > homework before you start mouthing off.
> 
> Do my homework? Are you kidding me?
> 
> I just grepped the last four months of this list and you know how many
> instances of people.debian.org/~ccheney I find? ONE. This one.

#debian-kde.

> There was nothing in my reply that necessitated your attitude. I've
> re-read what I wrote, and I still stand by it. If you just desperately
> feel the need to be a jerk again, pick someone else off the list at
> random.

You were paying out Chris with a bunch of bullshit, which I called you
on.

> Good grief.

Good riddance.

-- 
Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Developer, Trinity College, University of Melbourne


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Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Brad Felmey]

[reply OFF list]

On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 15:56, Daniel Stone wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:06:49AM -0600, Brad Felmey scrawled:
> > On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.
> > 
> > I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
> > packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.
> 
> deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/kde-3.0.99+cvs20021220 ./
> 
> Most of the others are building on Chris's work from CVS. Do your
> homework before you start mouthing off.

Do my homework? Are you kidding me?

I just grepped the last four months of this list and you know how many
instances of people.debian.org/~ccheney I find? ONE. This one.

There was nothing in my reply that necessitated your attitude. I've
re-read what I wrote, and I still stand by it. If you just desperately
feel the need to be a jerk again, pick someone else off the list at
random.

Good grief.
-- 
Brad Felmey

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Daniel Stone]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 10:10:13PM +, John Gay scrawled:
> On Tue 31 Dec 2002 17:06, Brad Felmey wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.
> >
> > I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
> > packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.
> 
> Personally, I think Chris, Daniel, Ben and all the others have done GREAT 
> work! Chris has made his reasons clear and I applaud him for not poluting the 
> Debian directories with many in-compatible versions.

I haven't really done a thing. :)

> Of course Others have provided various stop-gap measures to provide some 
> semblance of KDE3 to those who really want it and are willing to take the 
> hits that go with the teritory.
> 
> Unfortunately, this is starting to sound like the same arguements that came 
> up when imlib broke KDE2.x and Ivan realized that maintaining KDE was taking 
> away too much of his time.

libpng, but yeah.

> Of course now we have a slightly different situation. There are many people 
> working together to see the KDE3.1 and GCC3.2 merge into Debian with minimal 
> trouble. In addition, we have others working to provide various intermedeate 
> versions of KDE3.x based on whatever GCC is currently available.
> 
> For myself, I have decided NOT to follow either set of KDE packages and live 
> with KDE2.2.2 I was bitten several times during the last major upgrade and 
> don't understand the Debian way of building enough to get myself out of 
> trouble, therefore I just wait until it's official before I upgrade.
> 
> Having said that, I still think EVERYONE deserves many thanks for the work 
> they have put in. Both Chris's team working on the official packages, and the 
> people working on hte not-so-official packages! Both efforts are enormous. 
> Thank you to everyone!

The not-so-official packages generally have some resemblance to the
official packages; they're generally branched from CVS.

> Myself, I'm working up my courage to re-build my system from scratch once the 
> KDE3.1 sources are released. Call my crazy, call me a masochist, just don't 
> call me late for dinner ;-)

Yea, I'm rebuilding mine now, it sucks.

> Thank you to everyone and have a Happy New Year!

You too!
Daniel, from rainy Melbourne, Australia where it's 9:53am and thus FAR
too early to be at work.

-- 
Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Developer - http://kopete.kde.org, http://www.kde.org


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Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[John Gay]

On Tue 31 Dec 2002 17:06, Brad Felmey wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.
>
> I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
> packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.

Personally, I think Chris, Daniel, Ben and all the others have done GREAT 
work! Chris has made his reasons clear and I applaud him for not poluting the 
Debian directories with many in-compatible versions.

Of course Others have provided various stop-gap measures to provide some 
semblance of KDE3 to those who really want it and are willing to take the 
hits that go with the teritory.

Unfortunately, this is starting to sound like the same arguements that came 
up when imlib broke KDE2.x and Ivan realized that maintaining KDE was taking 
away too much of his time.

Of course now we have a slightly different situation. There are many people 
working together to see the KDE3.1 and GCC3.2 merge into Debian with minimal 
trouble. In addition, we have others working to provide various intermedeate 
versions of KDE3.x based on whatever GCC is currently available.

For myself, I have decided NOT to follow either set of KDE packages and live 
with KDE2.2.2 I was bitten several times during the last major upgrade and 
don't understand the Debian way of building enough to get myself out of 
trouble, therefore I just wait until it's official before I upgrade.

Having said that, I still think EVERYONE deserves many thanks for the work 
they have put in. Both Chris's team working on the official packages, and the 
people working on hte not-so-official packages! Both efforts are enormous. 
Thank you to everyone!

Myself, I'm working up my courage to re-build my system from scratch once the 
KDE3.1 sources are released. Call my crazy, call me a masochist, just don't 
call me late for dinner ;-)

Thank you to everyone and have a Happy New Year!

Cheers,

John Gay

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Daniel Stone]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:06:49AM -0600, Brad Felmey scrawled:
> On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.
> 
> I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
> packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.

deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/kde-3.0.99+cvs20021220 ./

Most of the others are building on Chris's work from CVS. Do your
homework before you start mouthing off.

-- 
Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Developer - http://kopete.kde.org, http://www.kde.org


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Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Daniel Stone]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:15:47AM +0200, Jarno Elonen scrawled:
> > Chris Cheney has also put in a *lot* of work in his
> > official capacit as maintainer. He currently has packages available -
> > those are the ones that will be going into sid. "orth" also does
> > packages, basically from CVS HEAD. It's also an insult to Daniel
> > Schepler, Ben Burton and Norman Jordan, the maintainers of kdegames,
> > kdetoys, kdeedu, koffice, quanta and kdevelop.
> 
> Is there a public URL for downloading these? I'd really rather use packages 
> that are going into SID than other, more unofficial ones.

deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/kde-3.0.99+cvs20021220 ./

-- 
Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Developer, Trinity College, University of Melbourne


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Hurrah, Ralf Norden (was: Re: New debs for woody)

[Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka]

On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 21:25, Dirk Schmidt wrote:
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> 
> Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 16:04 schrieb Ralf Nolden:
> 
> > I've now built a new set of debs over the last two days that should work. I
> > also updated the branch to the most recent version and fixed stuff in CVS
> > with the packages directly while doing so. Also I built a set of additional
> > packages that are up also. Currently I'm uploading and I hope that the
> > Telekom doesn't disconnect my machine while uploading because I'm already
> > on my way to a new year's party :-)
> >
> > deb http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/woody/i386/ ./
> 
> You're great!
> 
I second this: Ralf Norden - you did a super work, I am very glad I
tried to use your packages. I like KDE 3.1 and I must say I am really
glad I use Debian, so:
Many, many thanks to all Debian developers, maintainers and other people
who care about packages, many many thanks to KDE developers and thanks
to Ralf Norden. All of you (I am quite sure I forgot to mention lots of
people, who are some way involved) are great and deserve my thanks. SO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
> 
> Happy new year, now :-)
Happy new year to all on the list, on other debian lists and to every
linux fan
Vlada


-- 
Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: New debs for woody

[Dirk Schmidt]

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Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 16:04 schrieb Ralf Nolden:

> I've now built a new set of debs over the last two days that should work. I
> also updated the branch to the most recent version and fixed stuff in CVS
> with the packages directly while doing so. Also I built a set of additional
> packages that are up also. Currently I'm uploading and I hope that the
> Telekom doesn't disconnect my machine while uploading because I'm already
> on my way to a new year's party :-)
>
> deb http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/woody/i386/ ./

You're great!

The old problem is mainly solved, just kdevelop seems *now* to be linked 
against libpng2 and libpng3 ;)

But a serious new show stopper has creeped in the kicker deb, which misses the 
libtaskbar.so in /usr/lib (the .la is there). Don't know if this is a bug in 
the cvs source or a dpkg-buildpackage problem.

Concerning gideon (thanks for building this package especially), I think the 
dependencies should be 'automake1.5 | automake1.6 | automake1.7' currently 
it's "automaken" which looks very much like a typo ;-)
I'd suggest the options for 1.6 and 1.7 for future compatibility with testing 
or unstable packages. I guess that won't be a problem because Woody only 
offers 1.5.
When installing gideon anyway dpkg complains about 
"/usr/lib/libkdevelopqextmdi.la" which is included in kdevelop, too.


Happy new year, now :-)


Dirk
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Re: Ralf's debs + Woody/Sid system

[Felix Homann]

Thank you both Pauls.

Have a Happy New Year!

Regards,
Felix

Re: Ralf's debs + Woody/Sid system

[Paul Scott]

Paul Cupis wrote:
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On Tuesday 31 Dec 2002 13:37, Felix Homann wrote:
BTW, does anybody know how I can tell which packages on my system are
actually from Sid?
   

 apt-show-versions -a | grep unstable\ uptodate
After:
apt-get install apt-show-versions
for some of us.  I tried to find what was meant for a while until I 
realized it was not a standard part of apt.

Paul Scott

Re: New debs for woody

[Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka]

You were right, so I've started download. Thanks!
Vlada
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 17:04, James Tappin wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2002 17:03:15 +0100
> "Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Any hints?
> > 
> > Happy New Year to all of you
> > 
> 
> Looks to me like it's still uploading, the Packagees file will probably
> arrive last.
> 
> 
> -- 
> James Tappin, O__  "I forget the punishment for using
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   --  \/`Microsoft --- Something lingering
> http://www.tappin.me.uk/with data loss in it I fancy"  
-- 
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Re: KDE3.1RC5 + fontconfig + libfontconfig = still no AA

[Ralph Jacobs]

On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 17:56, Brad Felmey wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 08:54, Ralph Jacobs wrote:
> 
> > I apt-get'ed KDE3.1RC5 this morning, it installed without a glitch. But,
> > anti-aliasing is not working. I have fontconfig and libfontconfig1
> > installed, and I have ran fc-cache. AA works fine in Gnome2, but not in
> > KDE3.1. The console doesn't have any error-messages.
> > 
> > Any ideas anyone?
> 
> I had the same thing. I ended up looking in /etc/X11 and seeing an
> XftConfig and XftConfig-dpkg-old (something like that). I swapped them
> and restarted X.

I did that, but at first it didn't solve the problem. Then I went into
the KDE font installer, and added all my fonts there. I then had AA, but
not all fonts. Going out of X and doing an XftCache and fc-cache:

it works!

Thanks for the quick reply.

-- 
Ralph Jacobs

Re: Liquid debs

[Sergio Rodriguez de Guzman Martinez]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2002-12-31 at 1608.06 +0100):
> 
> I would like to include that in my 3.1 build for woody. could you provide 
> sources and a deb line ? :-) I'll take care of pixieplus and liquid when I'm 
> back home tomorrow night.
> 

Of course:

# Mosfet liquid for KDE 3.0.8 and KDE 3.1
deb http://coyote.asoc.euitt.upm.es/mud/debian ./
deb-src http://coyote.asoc.euitt.upm.es/mud/debian ./


Sergio.

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Re: Ralf's debs + Woody/Sid system

[Paul Cupis]

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On Tuesday 31 Dec 2002 13:37, Felix Homann wrote:

> BTW, does anybody know how I can tell which packages on my system are
> actually from Sid?

  apt-show-versions -a | grep unstable\ uptodate

should start you on your way.

Regards,

Paul Cupis
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Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Brad Felmey]

On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 22:36, Daniel Stone wrote:

> This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE.

I don't see it that way at all. Chris has 1,001 reasons why there's no
packages available, while all around others are accomplishing it.

Re: KDE3.1RC5 + fontconfig + libfontconfig = still no AA

[Brad Felmey]

On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 08:54, Ralph Jacobs wrote:

> I apt-get'ed KDE3.1RC5 this morning, it installed without a glitch. But,
> anti-aliasing is not working. I have fontconfig and libfontconfig1
> installed, and I have ran fc-cache. AA works fine in Gnome2, but not in
> KDE3.1. The console doesn't have any error-messages.
> 
> Any ideas anyone?

I had the same thing. I ended up looking in /etc/X11 and seeing an
XftConfig and XftConfig-dpkg-old (something like that). I swapped them
and restarted X.
-- 
Brad Felmey

Re: Desktop device icons in KDE 3.1

[Chris Thiel]

On Tuesday 31 December 2002 03:08 am, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> Hmm.. Maybe the code is incompatible with devfs?

I am using devfs.

> > The config file for the paths seems to be at ~/.kde/share/config/kdfrc
>
> Not anymore, it seems. The file doesn't exist on my disk. Are you running
> 3.1, too?

Actually that is the config file for KDiskFree, which became aparent to me 
after I read the whole thing. I was just seaching for anything that looked 
promising. I don't have it on my system anymore and I couldn't think of kfm 
was short for. And yes, I do run somthing around 3.1 (I compiled these 
packages from cvs HEAD a while ago).

Chris Thiel

Re: New debs for woody

[James Tappin]

On 31 Dec 2002 17:03:15 +0100
"Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Any hints?
> 
> Happy New Year to all of you
> 

Looks to me like it's still uploading, the Packagees file will probably
arrive last.


-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]   --  \/`Microsoft --- Something lingering
http://www.tappin.me.uk/with data loss in it I fancy"  

Re: New debs for woody

[Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka]

Unfortunately, from this place seems this debs are not on the net:

dunadan:~# apt-get update
Err http://ktown.kde.org ./ Packages
  404 Not Found
[snip to the end of package list]
Failed to fetch http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/woody/i386/./Packages 
404 Not Found
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ktown.kde.org ./ Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ktown.kde.org_%7enolden_kde_woody_i386_._Packages) -
stat (2 No such file or directory)

Any hints?

Happy New Year to all of you

Sad
Vlada

On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 16:04, Ralf Nolden wrote:
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> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I've now built a new set of debs over the last two days that should work. I 
> also updated the branch to the most recent version and fixed stuff in CVS 
> with the packages directly while doing so. Also I built a set of additional 
> packages that are up also. Currently I'm uploading and I hope that the 
> Telekom doesn't disconnect my machine while uploading because I'm already on 
> my way to a new year's party :-)
> 
> deb http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/woody/i386/ ./
> 
> should be your friend. Included are:
> 
> dependencies (backports from unstable)
> - ---
> imlib2
> directfb
> xine-lib
> xine-ui
> qt3
> 
> additionally:
> xmmsarts (backport from unstable to work with arts in KDE-3.1)
> s3switch
> cdrdao
> gtkmm (needed for cdrdao)
> 
> 
> KDE-3.1 (branch) (2002-12-31)
> - 
> arts
> kdelibs
> kdebase
> kdenetwork
> kdemultimedia
> kdepim
> kdeutils
> kdegraphics
> kdeadmin
> kdeaddons
> kdesdk
> kdeartwork
> kdegames
> kdetoys
> kdeedu
> 
> KOffice 1.2.1 compiled for KDE-3.1
> 
> KDevelop 2.1.4-0woody2
> gideon 2.999 from CVS
> ks3switch-0.1
> kopete from CVS
> digikam 0.5.1
> gwenview  from CVS
> kcd-0.1.3
> kdbg-1.2.6
> kickpim-0.4.3
> kile-1.31
> kprof-1.4.1  
> 
> 
> Happy new year I hope that you'll be able to download the stuff before 
> tomorrow or I'll have to restart the upload when I'll be back home tomorrow 
> night.
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
> - -- 
> We're not a company, we just produce better code at less costs.
> - 
> Ralf Nolden
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The K Desktop Environment   The KDevelop Project
> http://www.kde.org  http://www.kdevelop.org
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Re: Liquid debs

[Ralf Nolden]

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On Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 15:25, Sergio Rodriguez de Guzman Martinez 
wrote:
> I made a deb of liquid for 3.0.8 but it also works for 3.1. You can
> download it from here:
>
> http://coyote.asoc.euitt.upm.es/mud/debian/mosfet_liquid0.9.6pre1-1_i386.de
>b
>
I would like to include that in my 3.1 build for woody. could you provide 
sources and a deb line ? :-) I'll take care of pixieplus and liquid when I'm 
back home tomorrow night.

Ralf
>
> It is the last mosfet version.
>
> Sergio.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2002-12-29 at 2050.54 -0500):
> > Has anyone made any debs of the KDE 3.1 version of Liquid?
> >
> >
> > --
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New debs for woody

[Ralf Nolden]

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Hi there,

I've now built a new set of debs over the last two days that should work. I 
also updated the branch to the most recent version and fixed stuff in CVS 
with the packages directly while doing so. Also I built a set of additional 
packages that are up also. Currently I'm uploading and I hope that the 
Telekom doesn't disconnect my machine while uploading because I'm already on 
my way to a new year's party :-)

deb http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/woody/i386/ ./

should be your friend. Included are:

dependencies (backports from unstable)
- ---
imlib2
directfb
xine-lib
xine-ui
qt3

additionally:
xmmsarts (backport from unstable to work with arts in KDE-3.1)
s3switch
cdrdao
gtkmm (needed for cdrdao)


KDE-3.1 (branch) (2002-12-31)
- 
arts
kdelibs
kdebase
kdenetwork
kdemultimedia
kdepim
kdeutils
kdegraphics
kdeadmin
kdeaddons
kdesdk
kdeartwork
kdegames
kdetoys
kdeedu

KOffice 1.2.1 compiled for KDE-3.1

KDevelop 2.1.4-0woody2
gideon 2.999 from CVS
ks3switch-0.1
kopete from CVS
digikam 0.5.1
gwenview  from CVS
kcd-0.1.3
kdbg-1.2.6
kickpim-0.4.3
kile-1.31
kprof-1.4.1  


Happy new year I hope that you'll be able to download the stuff before 
tomorrow or I'll have to restart the upload when I'll be back home tomorrow 
night.

Ralf


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Re: woody deb's for 3.1 branch.....

[Dirk Schmidt]

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Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 14:54 schrieb Carsten Pfeiffer:

> On Tuesday 31 December 2002 12:31, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> > Sorry, forgot to add you to CC on my last mail. I've backported imlib2
> > from unstable which has an increased major number to libImlib-2.0.0 so
> > imlib1 and imlib2 packages can be installed in parallel. I'll provide
> > imlib2 packages with the build so kuickshow works.
>
> Imlib1 and Imlib2 are completely different beasts. KuickShow does neither
> build nor work with Imlib2.

Take a look at 

and the README.debian from imlib2 1.9.14-11 attached to this mail. Unstable's 
Imlib2 is the same Imlib1 just linked to libpng3 instead of libpng2 and 
dropped gtk usage.

We now could discuss, if there isn't a more elegant way out and maybe we 
therefore should consult Steve M. Robbins, debian's imlib maintainer?


Dirk
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Imlib Version 2
---

This version of Imlib and gdk-imlib are linked with libpng3.
Consequently, the SONAMEs have been incremented to libImlib.so.2 and
libgdk_imlib.so.2, respectively.  Note that as of this writing,
the upstream source has not yet changed their SONAME.  However, I
have been promised that they will take that course.

No library that links with this version of Imlib or gdk_imlib may also
link with libpng2.

No application that links with this version of Imlib or gdk_imlib may
link with libpng2, neither directly nor through a third library.

If you accidentally link an application with imlib and libpng2, the
application may behave in unpredictible ways, possibly crashing,
possibly emitting warnings similar to the following:

  libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.2.1
  libpng warning: Application  is running with png.c from libpng-1.0.12
  libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library



Imlib Version 1
---

Imlib1 and gdk-imlib1 are compiled against libpng2.  At this time,
these packages are no longer built from this source.  I hope that all
dependent packages can be "ported" to libpng3: at source level, I
don't think there are any changes, so it should only require a
recompile.  If this proves impossible, let me know and I will
reintroduce imlib1 and associated -dev package.



The Palette File


The system Imlib/Gdk-Imlib palette file was moved from the directory
`/etc/im' to `/etc/imlib'.  This move may cause problems for users who
have a `.imrc' file in their home directory since that file may
contain a reference to the old location of the palette file.  To
correct this problem, the "PaletteFile" entry should look like:

PaletteFile /etc/imlib/im_palette.pal

I believe this changed happened in late 1999.

Re: woody deb's for 3.1 branch.....

[Ralf Nolden]

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On Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 14:54, Carsten Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 December 2002 12:31, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> > Sorry, forgot to add you to CC on my last mail. I've backported imlib2
> > from unstable which has an increased major number to libImlib-2.0.0 so
> > imlib1 and imlib2 packages can be installed in parallel. I'll provide
> > imlib2 packages with the build so kuickshow works.
>
> Imlib1 and Imlib2 are completely different beasts. KuickShow does neither
> build nor work with Imlib2.
That's the package number. Essentially, it's the same source (1.9.x) than the 
imlib1 package utilizes. Just the major version number has been increased to 
2.0.0 to make it possible to use both

Ralf
>
> Cheers
> Carsten Pfeiffer

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KDE3.1RC5 + fontconfig + libfontconfig = still no AA

[Ralph Jacobs]

Hi,

I apt-get'ed KDE3.1RC5 this morning, it installed without a glitch. But,
anti-aliasing is not working. I have fontconfig and libfontconfig1
installed, and I have ran fc-cache. AA works fine in Gnome2, but not in
KDE3.1. The console doesn't have any error-messages.

Any ideas anyone?

-- 
Ralph Jacobs

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Casper Gielen]

Op maandag 30 december 2002 23:56, schreef Mark Purcell:
>
> Ralf, Karolina,
>
> I would just like to publically thank you for the work you have done with
> the KDE3 branch and your Debian packages. Your efforts in putting together
> the Debian KDE 3 packages has been greatly appreciated by many Debian users
> who would otherwise not be able to access the KDE3 environment.
>

Amen to that. I really appreciate your efforts.
-- 
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Re: Liquid debs

[Sergio Rodriguez de Guzman Martinez]

I made a deb of liquid for 3.0.8 but it also works for 3.1. You can
download it from here:

http://coyote.asoc.euitt.upm.es/mud/debian/mosfet_liquid0.9.6pre1-1_i386.deb


It is the last mosfet version.

Sergio.

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> 
> 
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Re: woody deb's for 3.1 branch.....

[Carsten Pfeiffer]

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On Tuesday 31 December 2002 12:31, Ralf Nolden wrote:

> Sorry, forgot to add you to CC on my last mail. I've backported imlib2 from
> unstable which has an increased major number to libImlib-2.0.0 so imlib1
> and imlib2 packages can be installed in parallel. I'll provide imlib2
> packages with the build so kuickshow works.

Imlib1 and Imlib2 are completely different beasts. KuickShow does neither 
build nor work with Imlib2.

Cheers
Carsten Pfeiffer
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Ralf's debs + Woody/Sid system

[Felix Homann]

Hi,

I'm a little confused by now. My machine is running a mixed Woody/Sid 
installation with KDE 3.0.4 from ftp.kde.org. Can I apt-get Ralf's packages 
flawlessly (when the Packages file is back) or is there still some problem 
with unstable ? Can I do a simple apt-get upgrade or do I have to manually 
pick the packages? Do I have to remove my current KDE installation before?

BTW, does anybody know how I can tell which packages on my system are actually 
from Sid?

Thanks,

Felix
  

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Alan Chandler]

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On Tuesday 31 Dec 2002 7:57 am, Ben Burton wrote:
>
> Thus, again with the exception of Karolina's debs, the only work that is
> in theory duplicated is the actual compilation which really *has* to be
> duplicated since the various archives are built in different
> environments (woody vs sid, gcc-2.95 vs gcc-3.2, etc).
>

I would also like to add my thanks to everyone who is producing these debs.  I 
have an environment on my machine to build them too - very manually and 
relying on the work everyone else in terms of the debian directory.  Even so, 
I took about a month to get a complete set of gcc3.2 compiled debs.  I gave 
up when then update to qt went back to be 2.95 compiled and the Ralf's 
started re-appearing at kde.org. [And I don't have access to sufficient 
outside web enabled disk space to publish mine]

I did so out of the pure frustration of not seeing them in the debian unstable 
archive.  What I STILL don't understand is why a gcc 2.95 set of debs could 
not have been added to unstable (presumable the 3.0.x ones) sometime ago - so 
that by now they had at least flowed through to sarge. Reading the plan for 
gcc 3.2 transition - this could just as well been applied to libarts and 
kdelibs so as to have a smooth update when the decision to throw the switch 
was _eventually_ made.

Where is the switch to gcc3.2 discussed?  I am subscribed to debian-devel, and 
have looked in the archive in debian-gcc but there is not much there.  There 
seems to be very little discussion here too.


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Re: imlib problems and KDE builds for woody

[Dirk Schmidt]

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Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 2:58 schrieb Ralf Nolden:

> [...]
> I've backported imlib2 from unstable which I'll ship in the dependencies so
> kuickshow will work for anyone without any problems of using the imlib1
> library/package together with applications that require it. I hope that
> solves most of your concerns now with a minimum of packages from unstable
> to backport and install on a woody system to run KDE 3.1 completely.
>
> If you have any objections, speak up :-)

I guess that should work. Not at last because of the README.debian im imlib2 
;-)

Thank you once again and

"n guten Rutsch!"



Dirk


P.S.:

What machine do you use for building the debs?
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Re: Karolina debs - font anti-aliasing not working

[Paolo Ulivi]

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On the last episode (Tuesday 31 December 2002 00:23), Ralf Nolden wrote:

> tried re-running xftcache lately ?

It seems to me there were some issues between qt 3.1.1 and the previous
version of libfontconfig1/fontconfig in sid, since I had the same problem 
with a completely different setup: libfontconfig1 and fontconfig from sid 
+ KDE 3.1.0rc5 plain from KDE_3_1_0_RELEASE. Yersterday I upgraded 
libfontconfig1 and fontconfig and the problem suddenly disappeared.

Paolo

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Re: woody deb's for 3.1 branch.....

[Ralf Nolden]

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On Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 12:17, Carsten Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 02:15:31AM +0100, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> > Ouch, yes. So the only solution is - removing kuickshow from the packages
> > list together with the imlib dependency..:-(
> >
> > > > [...] so kdegraphics will build.
> > >
> > > Isn't kuickshow the only component needing imlib?
> > > If that's right, I wouldn't mind not having it within the KDE 3.1
> > > packages -just like before in KDE 3.0. Maybe it's possible to get
> > > kuickshow linked statically, if someone misses kuickshow much?
> >
> > Well, I'll see what we can do about kuickshow. I'll exclude it from the
> > build together with the dependency on woody; and there's always kview
> > avaialble.
> >
> > Carsten, do you have any idea about how to avoid this libpng problem by
> > not using imlib ? :-)
>
> HUH. I thought this problem was solved long ago by providing another Imlib
> package, linked against libpng3?
Sorry, forgot to add you to CC on my last mail. I've backported imlib2 from 
unstable which has an increased major number to libImlib-2.0.0 so imlib1 and 
imlib2 packages can be installed in parallel. I'll provide imlib2 packages 
with the build so kuickshow works.

Ralf
>
> Statically linking Imlib might be another option indeed. KView is not a
> replacement for KuickShow.
>
> Cheers
> Carsten Pfeiffer

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Re: woody deb's for 3.1 branch.....

[Carsten Pfeiffer]

On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 02:15:31AM +0100, Ralf Nolden wrote:

> Ouch, yes. So the only solution is - removing kuickshow from the packages 
> list 
> together with the imlib dependency..:-(
> 
> > > [...] so kdegraphics will build.
> >
> > Isn't kuickshow the only component needing imlib?
> > If that's right, I wouldn't mind not having it within the KDE 3.1 packages
> > -just like before in KDE 3.0. Maybe it's possible to get kuickshow linked
> > statically, if someone misses kuickshow much?
> Well, I'll see what we can do about kuickshow. I'll exclude it from the build 
> together with the dependency on woody; and there's always kview avaialble.
> 
> Carsten, do you have any idea about how to avoid this libpng problem by not 
> using imlib ? :-)

HUH. I thought this problem was solved long ago by providing another Imlib 
package, linked against libpng3?

Statically linking Imlib might be another option indeed. KView is not a
replacement for KuickShow.

Cheers
Carsten Pfeiffer

Re: Karolina debs - font anti-aliasing not working

[Anders Ellenshøj Andersen]

On Tuesday 31 December 2002 10:13, Timo Springmann wrote:

> > I got AA back yesterday by installing package "fontconfig".
>
> hey, great. That worked perfectly :) Thanks a lot.

WOW! Thats the ticket! My fonts look awesome now! Thanks a lot!

> definitely yes.

This would just eliminate a million worries.

You don't know how many hours I've spent looking at useless howtos. Trying to 
get AA working. And then all I needed was this stupid package.

I even asked on this list less than a week ago and absolutely no answers, and 
now finally this.

This was simply a magic bullet.

Thanks again!

Anders E. Andersen

Re: Karolina debs - font anti-aliasing not working

[Timo Springmann]

hi,

On Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 09:48, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> > > to compile my own qt? Or is there another way to re-enable font
> > > anti-aliasing (and, oh yes, I tried the button in the kde control
> > > center _really_ often - withou success.)
> > >
> > > System: Debian/unstable; KDE3.1RC5-Karolina; libqt 3.1.1+cvs.20021220-1
>
> I got AA back yesterday by installing package "fontconfig". 

hey, great. That worked perfectly :) Thanks a lot.

> I noticed that
> some programs wrote warnings on the console about not being able to use it.

I just installed libfontconfig and not fontconfig. I think that was my 
mistake... 

> Maybe kdelibs should depend on fontconfig?

definitely yes.

so long,
Timo

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... there are 10 types of people in the world - 
those who understand binary and those who don't.

Re: Desktop device icons in KDE 3.1

[Jarno Elonen]

On Tuesday 31 December 2002 02:47, Chris Thiel wrote:

> it seems that the name is derived from the path. My cdrom name
> reads `devcdrommntcdrom' and the path for my cdrom is /mnt/cdrom.
> Is the mount point for your cdrom at /cdrom?

Yes, so the name "devcdromcdrom" indicates that it should have correct paths.. 

Actually file "/dev/cdrom" on my system is a symlink to "/dev/cdroms/cdrom0", 
which furthermore is a symlink to "/dev/ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/cd". I 
first thought the code doesn't handle symlinks well but apparently that's not 
the problems since putting /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/cd to fstab 
didn't help either.

Hmm.. Maybe the code is incompatible with devfs?

> The config file for the paths seems to be at ~/.kde/share/config/kdfrc

Not anymore, it seems. The file doesn't exist on my disk. Are you running 3.1, 
too?

- Jarno

Re: Karolina debs - font anti-aliasing not working

[Jarno Elonen]

> > to compile my own qt? Or is there another way to re-enable font
> > anti-aliasing (and, oh yes, I tried the button in the kde control center
> > _really_ often - withou success.)
> >
> > System: Debian/unstable; KDE3.1RC5-Karolina; libqt 3.1.1+cvs.20021220-1

I got AA back yesterday by installing package "fontconfig". I noticed that 
some programs wrote warnings on the console about not being able to use it. 
Maybe kdelibs should depend on fontconfig?

- Jarno

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Ben Burton]

> My post isn't supposed to be an insult to anyone, rather a wake up call that 
> we Debian & KDE have an alful lot of work going on in the front lines 
> (debian-kde) and the back end (CVS HEAD, third party applications), but there 
> is also an alwful lot of duplication going on which we can ill afford in 
> Debian.

Certainly the packaging effort itself (i.e., working on patches and
everything in debian/) is not (in theory) duplicated, since it's all
committed to KDE CVS.  As soon as one developer fixes or changes something
it's made available to everyone.

(With the exception of Karolina's debs which AFAIK forked from CVS some
time ago, but Ralf's packages use the debian stuff in CVS and indeed he
also commits his updates as do the official maintainers).

Thus, again with the exception of Karolina's debs, the only work that is
in theory duplicated is the actual compilation which really *has* to be
duplicated since the various archives are built in different
environments (woody vs sid, gcc-2.95 vs gcc-3.2, etc).

I'm actually quite happy with the current situation, and as I see it
the tasks are reasonably well divided.  I for instance take care of the
packaging for modules x, y and z, but someone else (e.g., Ralf) takes care
of building the binaries under an environment that's consistent with the
other modules that he also builds.  And of course when he discovers
problems he fixes them and commits to CVS so the updates are passed
back to me.

Of course I speak only for myself, others' opinions may differ. :)

Honestly, if we can only get that upload into sid I believe most of our
current problems will simply go away.

Happy new year. :)

Ben.

Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Mark Purcell]

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > I for one, and I'm sure there would be many others in the Debian
> > community, would be happy for either or both of you to become the
> > official Debian maintainers for KDE.  Goodness knows you have been doing
> > that job in a defacto capacity for a number of months...
>
> This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE. I have put
> in a (rather minor) effort testing and doing the release work for some
> releases, but Chris Cheney has also put in a *lot* of work in his
> official capacit as maintainer. He currently has packages available -
> those are the ones that will be going into sid. "orth" also does
> packages, basically from CVS HEAD. It's also an insult to Daniel
> Schepler, Ben Burton and Norman Jordan, the maintainers of kdegames,
> kdetoys, kdeedu, koffice, quanta and kdevelop.

Daniel,

My post isn't supposed to be an insult to anyone, rather a wake up call that 
we Debian & KDE have an alful lot of work going on in the front lines 
(debian-kde) and the back end (CVS HEAD, third party applications), but there 
is also an alwful lot of duplication going on which we can ill afford in 
Debian.

My point is that Ralf and Karolina appear to be building KDE debs on an almost 
daily basis and appear to be getting a little weary of the process. They need 
to be told they are apreciated.  I too appreciate the work of yourself, Chris 
Cheney, Daniel Schepler, Ben Burton and Norman Jordan. I also appreciate the 
work of everyone else in the chain who has managed to get KDE/ Debian to 
where it is today, that list is mighty long and  impressive. That said I 
think there is a lot more which Debian can do to assist the process to make 
the work more rewarding for all the developers and indeed the Debian users 
who actually want to see KDE3 in the main distribution.

Above all that what I really don't want to see is Ralf and Karolina, or anyone 
else for that matter, getting burntout because they were shouldering a large 
portion of a burden which Debian can assist with. We have seen it before in 
Debian and KDE, I'm sure we will see it again.  But now is the time to take 
stock, resynchronise our actions and ensure the best result for everyone 
involved.

Mark

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