Any chance of getting the fix for autocompletion or kmail addresses failure into Debian?

[David Goodenough]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458042[1]

It would appear that there is a fix, and this is a regression 
from the previous release.  It would be nice not to have to 
wait for the next full release.


[1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458042

Re: Kate 19.08

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday, 26 September 2019 19:29:32 BST Martin Steigerwald wrote:

> Hi David.

>

> Please do not send HTML mails to this list.

>

> David Goodenough - 26.09.19, 19:30:51 CEST:

> > On Thursday, 26 September 2019 08:26:13 BST Martin Steigerwald wrote:

> […]

>

> > > Pino uploaded Kate 19.08. Pino is working on updating application

> > > packages since quite a while. Also like KMyMoney and others.

> > > Looking forward to the enhancements from kate 18.08 => 19.08.

> >

> > Any chance of adding LSP support by building with:-

> >

> > -DENABLE_LSPCLIENT=ON

> >

> > Apparently it is not yet enabled by default.

>

> Good idea.

>

> Please file a bug report with "reportbug kate"

>

> Thanks,

Sorry about the HTML, KMail forgot the setting for this folder.



Bug submitted.



David

Re: Kate 19.08

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday, 26 September 2019 08:26:13 BST Martin Steigerwald wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Pino uploaded Kate 19.08. Pino is working on updating application

> packages since quite a while. Also like KMyMoney and others.

>

> Looking forward to the enhancements from kate 18.08 => 19.08.

>

> Thanks,

Any chance of adding LSP support by building with:-



-DENABLE_LSPCLIENT=ON



Apparently it is not yet enabled by default.



Thank you



David

Re: KDEPIM 17.12: pane that show message structure missing?

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday, 12 April 2018 08:33:43 BST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> With KDEPIM prior 17.12 I always had a pane that shows the message
> structure where I could select which part of the message to view in the
> message content display area. So with messages that are both available
> as text and HTML I could select which one to view.
> 
> This is gone since KDEPIM 17.12 and I found no way to enable it again. I
> remember there was an option but I digged through all menus and
> configuration options three times without finding it.
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Thanks,
Try Folder->Message Default Format

David

Re: Kmail often stuck at "Retrieving folder contents..."

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 12:53:20 GMT David Baron wrote:
> On יום רביעי, 1 במרץ 2017 11:17:56 IST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Hello Tim.
> > 
> > Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2017, 10:56:45 CET schrieb Tim Ruehsen:
> > > Please wait...
> > > 
> > > No matter how long I wait, KMail is stuck.
> > > I have to restart KMail.
> > > 
> > > My impression: It happens regular when changing folders too fast.
> > > 
> > > Of course I tried akonadictl (fsck + vacuum + restart) with no success.
> > > 
> > > Any idea where to look at or what to do ?
> > 
> > This topic has been discussed just recently on kdepim-users mailing list.
> > It appears to be a known issue.
> > 
> > Please review
> > 
> > "Retrieving Folders..." hang and a possible solution
> > 
> > thread there.
> > 
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users
> > 
> > Thanks,
> 
> Select the option to download for off-line use. Once the stuff is there,
> problem will not recur.
I get it all the time on local folders, and all my IMAP connections are 
already set to disconnected mode (i.e. download for off-line).

Usually stopping kmail and akonadi and then starting kmail again
fixes it.
> 
> I was under the impression there were problems on GMail servers but
> apparently more widespread.
I have never had problems with any of the actual servers, only the local
folders.

I had read somewhere on one of the KDE forums that this was supposed
to be fixed in 16.08, but I do not remember details.

David

Re: Need help regarding experimental KDEPIM/Kmail

[David Goodenough]

On Friday 08 July 2016 16:42:35 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2016, 16:17:37 CEST schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> > Hello Klaus.
> > 
> > Akonadi continues to work just fine on my mixed Sid/Experimental setup.
> > 
> > Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2016, 13:10:28 CEST schrieb Klaus Becker:
> > > Test 14:  ERROR
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Current Akonadi server error log found.
> > > Details: The Akonadi server reported errors during its current startup.
> > > The
> > > log can be found in  > > href='/home/klaus/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error'>/home/klaus/
> > > .l
> > > oc al/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error.
> > > 
> > > File content of '/home/klaus/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error':
> > > Did not find MySQL server default configuration (mysql-global.conf)
> > > Failed to remove Unix socket
> > > Failed to remove runtime connection config file
> > 
> > I think it is this.
> > 
> > Resource agents AFAIK are used to access IMAP and POP3 accounts, calender
> > resources etc.
> > 
> > It might be due to inconsistent package versions.
> > 
> > Please post the mentioned logfile somewhere.
> > 
> > Please also check your package versions:
> > 
> > martin@merkaba:~> dpkg -l | grep akonadi | cut -c1-72
> > ii  akonadi-backend-mysql 4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  akonadi-server4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  akonadiconsole4:16.04.2-1
> > ii  libkf5akonadi-dev 4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  libkf5akonadiagentbase5:amd64 4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  libkf5akonadicalendar5:amd64  16.04.2-2
> > ii  libkf5akonadicontact5:amd64   4:16.04.2-2
> > ii  libkf5akonadicore-bin 4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  libkf5akonadicore5:amd64  4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  libkf5akonadimime5:amd64  4:16.04.2-2
> > ii  libkf5akonadinotes5:amd64 4:16.04.2-2
> > ii  libkf5akonadiprivate5 4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  libkf5akonadisearchdebug5:amd64   16.04.2-2
> > ii  libkf5akonadisearchpim5:amd64 16.04.2-2
> > ii  libkf5akonadiserver-dev   4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  libkf5akonadiwidgets5:amd64   4:16.04.2-3
> > ii  libkf5akonadixml5:amd64   4:16.04.2-3
> > 
> > Absolutely make sure that all of them are at 16.04!
> 
> It maybe also be that KDEPIM already packages are at wrong version. KDEPIM
> upstream developers splitted KDEPIM into different frameworks, for there are
> libkf5 kdepim related packages. I don´t know an easy filter for these. But
> I think resource agents might be in a KDEPIM related package. Yep:
> 
> martin@merkaba:~> dpkg -S /usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource
> kdepim-runtime: /usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource
> 
> martin@merkaba:~> LANG=C apt-cache policy kdepim-runtime
> kdepim-runtime:
>   Installed: 4:16.04.2-2
>   Candidate: 4:16.04.2-2
>   Version table:
>  *** 4:16.04.2-2 500
> 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
> 
> You absolutely need to have kdepim-runtime and related packages at 16.04.
> 
> Do not upgrade until you can get both Akonadi + KDEPIM at 16.04!
> 
> In case you already did: Either wait for KDEPIM 16.04 to appear or try to
> downgrade Akonadi.
> 
> Its important you need to upgrade KDEPIM and Akonadi in lockstep this time
> due to incompatible changes upstream introduced in Qt5 based Akonadi.
The odd thing is that the dependancies in the packages don't enforce that
Akonadi and KdePIM are in lockstep.

David
> 
> Thanks,

Re: Upcoming KDEPIM changes in unstable (KMail, Kontact, KOrganizer, etc)

[David Goodenough]

On Saturday 02 July 2016 21:46:48 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> Currently the latest version of kdepim is available in experimental.
> According to our limited tests it's working way better than kdepim 4.14
> (more stable, more performant, less bugs). However migrating from one to
> the other is not a trivial process (distribution wise, hopefully not for
> our users).
> 
> If you are still reading, please check the full text in [link].
> 
> [link]
>  ble.html>
> 
> Happy hacking!
Is there a migration guide so that we know what to expect (and when to panic)?

David

Re: [solved] Re: trouble after upgrading to kdepim/experimental

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 09 June 2016 15:48:37 Diederik de Haas wrote:
> On Thursday 09 June 2016 15:19:32 a...@bourges.de wrote:
> > I missed to upgrade akonadi-server - which seems to be quite important for
> > kdepim :))
> > 
> > Sorry for the noise,
> 
> I wouldn't call that noise at all as that may very well be the reason it
> wasn't working for me
If this is a general problem, sounds like a dependancy problem.

David

Re: kdepim 16.04 from experimental (UPDATE)

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 08 June 2016 22:33:18 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2016 17:05:36 CEST David Goodenough wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 June 2016 17:34:51 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > On Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2016 17:20:38 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > > 
> > > > In case you want to try it, also install the package kdepim-addons,
> > > > otherwise mails are displayed without header and you cannot select a
> > > > header
> > > > template in "View / Headers"
> > > > 
> > > > I will rebort bug.
> > > > 
> > > > Otherwise it works really nicely for me. Diederik has issues tough.
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, if you want to wait till it receives some further testing,
> > > > then
> > > > wait till its updated to unstable or migrates to testing.
> > > 
> > > OK, beware. Diederik just told me it doesn´t work at all for him. So if
> > > you
> > > depend on it, better wait!
> > > 
> > > Cause: Going back to KDEPIM 4 without a backup is not supported. It will
> > > *change* the Akonadi database + file database layout (for better
> > > performance).
> > 
> > As a matter of interest, is there a list of what needs to be backed up? 
> > BTW saying that we should use the Export Data -> Backup menu option only
> > works if you are using mysql, if you are using any of the other database
> > options it will feil because it aways uses msqldump whatever the
> > database.
> Well
> 
> 1. ~/.local/share/akonadi contains db if it was started by Akonadi (no
> external db) and file_db_data
> 
> 2. ~/.config/akonadi
> 
> 3. ~/.kde/share/config/akonadi*
> 
> 4. I´d also make sure to have a copy ~/.local/share/local-mail or wherever
> your local mail has been stored and all other primary data for your calender
> and addressbook resources. Where resources store primary data you see in
> the config files I mentioned in 3.
> 
> But scratch all that:
> 
> Make a complete backup of your home directory, just in case. You backup it
> anyway, don´t you? Still above information may help you in case you need to
> restore your old KDEPIM without wanting to restore your complete home
> directory.
I back my home directory, the question is what to restore in case the upgrade
has problems.
> 
> 
> I suggest the following approach:
> 
> - Don´t use export/import. As from many reports I think I don´t think it
> will work reliably and if so, will take ages.
> 
> - You can try whether automatic migration works.
> 
> 
> If automatic migration does not work:
> 
> 1. Make sure your maildirs are in ~/.local/share/local-mail, if its still in
> ~/.kde/share/something I´d move the folder to the new location
They are in .local
> 
> 2. Make sure your calendar and addressbook are in default locations (dunno
> whether these changed for Akonadi/KMail 16.04, I bet they still store them
> in ~/.kde/share, but you can still look at ~/.config/akonadi* akonadi
> configuration files (that is the new location of these, see 3 above)
don't really use these, and they are on CalDav andCardDav servers anyway.
> 
> 3. Rename ~/.local/share/akonadi and  ~/.config/akonadi
will do
> 
> 4. Let Akonadi reindex all resources from scratch.
> 
> Yet there is a slight risk that your current Akonadi still has some mails
> you moved around recently in file_db_data or the database itself and you
> would loose these.
> 
> 
> In case you just use IMAP accounts I suggest the following: Wipe all old
> Akonadi stuff and restart from scratch.
I only have disconnected IMAP, so none of the data remains on the server,
but I then filter them all into local folders. 
> 
> 
> I know this can be rough. I migrated from KDEPIM SC 4 and Akonadi 1 to
> KDEPIM 5 and Akonadi "2" quite some time ago as I compiled both from git
> master myself. I do think the automatic migration kind of worked, but it
> may have also been that I did the second approach and recreated the
> configuration and database from scratch letting Akonadi reindex all
> resources then.
> 
> I suggest to refrain from creating bugs with the Debian bug tracker related
> to the migration from KDEPIM SC 4 and Akonadi 1 to KDEPIM and Akonadi 16.04
> as any those issues are very likely upstream issues and I bet the Qt/KDE
> Debian team lacks the time to do much about it. Also KDEPIM SC 4 and
> Akonadi 1 are unmaintained, so…
> 
> This is a rough overview of what I know.
> 
> Thanks,
Thank you for your help.

David

Re: kdepim 16.04 from experimental (UPDATE)

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 08 June 2016 17:34:51 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2016 17:20:38 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > In case you want to try it, also install the package kdepim-addons,
> > otherwise mails are displayed without header and you cannot select a
> > header
> > template in "View / Headers"
> > 
> > I will rebort bug.
> > 
> > Otherwise it works really nicely for me. Diederik has issues tough.
> > 
> > Of course, if you want to wait till it receives some further testing, then
> > wait till its updated to unstable or migrates to testing.
> 
> OK, beware. Diederik just told me it doesn´t work at all for him. So if you
> depend on it, better wait!
> 
> Cause: Going back to KDEPIM 4 without a backup is not supported. It will
> *change* the Akonadi database + file database layout (for better
> performance).
As a matter of interest, is there a list of what needs to be backed up?  BTW
saying that we should use the Export Data -> Backup menu option only works
if you are using mysql, if you are using any of the other database options
it will feil because it aways uses msqldump whatever the database.

David
> 
> So better wait.
> 
> That written it works just fine for me.
> 
> Thanks,

Re: Unstale: Recommendation to wait with an dist-upgrade

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 01 June 2016 14:52:44 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> In case you want to avoid an after about 10 minutes crashing plasma session
> due to ksmserver not finding a symbol in a window manager related library, I
> recommend you to wait till you can get plasma-workspace, kscreen, kwin
> related packages from unstable. Otherwise you need to install some kscreen
> + kwin packages from experimental temporarily to get back a working
> session.
> 
> You can also wait for plasma-desktop as well, Maxy just uploaded it.
> 
> Akonadi 16.04 seems to work fine, but is not yet fully completely at 16.04,
> and KDEPIM packages are still to come for 16.04.
> 
> Thanks,
With a large transition like this it would REALY helpful to people who 
follow sid (which I guess is many of the people on this list) if there was
an email saying that such an upgrade had started (there was one 
where someone noted it had started this time) and then one saying
when it had finished.  Especially when the list of packages making up 
KDE has changed it is really had to know when everything is in place 
and therefore we can restart regular dist-upgrades.

David

Re: Sqlite akonadi transaction mode fix

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 21 January 2015 09:49:18 David Goodenough wrote:
> I use KdePIM and thus akonadi with SqLite.  I am running unstable and am
> up to date with fixes.
> 
> Looking in the KDE bug database I found:-
> 
> http://osdir.com/ml/kde-commits/2014-07/msg02228.html
> 
> which seems to address the repeated dialog boxes I get while filters run on
> my mailboxes, and the log messages of which:-
> 
> DATABASE ERROR:
>   Error code: 6
>   DB error:  "database is deadlocked"
>   Error text: "database is deadlocked Unable to fetch row"
>   Query: "UPDATE PimItemTable SET atime = ? WHERE ( ( PimItemTable.id = ? )
> )"
> 
> is an example.  All the errors I get currently are deadlock errors.
> 
> I don't think this fix is in the current build, and I realise that Debian is
> getting ready for a new release and thus it is unlikely that this fix will
> be able to be slotted in any time soon.  Can I simply get the source, add
> this one patch and rebuild, or is it more complicated.  Also which
> package(s) would I have to rebuild?  Is it just akonadi-backend-sqlite?
> 
> David
Well having loaded the source and looked at it, this patch is already in
the system.

What this says is that some of the database statements are being executed
not in an explicit transaction.  If you use transactions it is required that 
ALL statements are done this way, otherwise the DB will add put default
transactions around the unbounded statements and they will not be
in the right mode (in this case IMMEDIATE).  Normally this will not be a
problem, and quite possibly other DBs will get away with this, but SqLite
has a non-standard way of doing the locking (this IMMEDIATE mode in the
BEGIN TRANSACTION) and my guess is that this is the root of the problem.

When I have time I will look at the specific SQL statements that are failing
and see if that finds some of the missing beginTransaction calls.

David


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Re: Sqlite akonadi transaction mode fix

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 22 January 2015 12:11:09 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 22. Januar 2015, 12:05:40 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> > Am Donnerstag, 22. Januar 2015, 10:39:38 schrieb David Goodenough:
> > > On Thursday 22 January 2015 10:50:53 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > > Am Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2015, 09:49:18 schrieb David Goodenough:
> > > > > I use KdePIM and thus akonadi with SqLite.  I am running unstable
> > > > > and
> > > > > am
> > > > > up to date with fixes.
> 
> […]
> 
> > > > > Looking in the KDE bug database I found:-
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://osdir.com/ml/kde-commits/2014-07/msg02228.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > which seems to address the repeated dialog boxes I get while filters
> > > > > run
> > > > > on
> > > > > my mailboxes, and the log messages of which:-
> > > > > 
> > > > > DATABASE ERROR:
> > > > >   Error code: 6
> > > > >   DB error:  "database is deadlocked"
> > > > >   Error text: "database is deadlocked Unable to fetch row"
> > > > >   Query: "UPDATE PimItemTable SET atime = ? WHERE ( (
> > > > >   PimItemTable.id
> > > > >   =
> > > > >   ?
> > > > >   )
> > > > > 
> > > > > )"
> > > > > 
> > > > > is an example.  All the errors I get currently are deadlock errors.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think this fix is in the current build, and I realise that
> > > > > Debian
> > > > > is getting ready for a new release and thus it is unlikely that this
> > > > > fix
> > > > > will be able to be slotted in any time soon.  Can I simply get the
> > > > > source, add this one patch and rebuild, or is it more complicated.
> > > > > Also
> > > > > which package(s) would I have to rebuild?  Is it just
> > > > > akonadi-backend-sqlite?
> > > > 
> > > > I read again and again, that KDEPIM developers themselves recommend
> > > > not
> > > > to
> > > > use SQLite backend. I used PostgreSQL backend for some time, but now
> > > > use
> > > > MySQL backend as I believe it is most widely tested. But AFAIK as
> > > > least
> > > > one
> > > > KDEPIM developers uses the PostgreSQL backend. It has the disadvantage
> > > > tough that on major PostgreSQL updates you have to dump and restore
> > > > the
> > > > database to upgrade its structures.
> > > > 
> > > > I compiled akonadi and kdepim myself quite some time, but not from
> > > > package,
> > > > but installed it to /usr/local and initialized it with some
> > > > environment
> > > > variable settings. Its all described on kde wiki sites.
> > > > 
> > > > As to using Debian packages: Well basically its grab the source,
> > > > change,
> > > > rebuild. You would need quite some build dependencies satisfied, but
> > > > you
> > > > need that either way. The turn around time would be higher than just
> > > > compiling and installing with make install I think, but I bet you
> > > > wouldn´t
> > > > need to do this often.
> > > > 
> > > > That said, I didn´t rebuild KDEPIM related packages yet, but I did
> > > > this
> > > > with Digikam and it worked quite nice.
> > > > 
> > > > As for updates to Debian packages, I´d like to see current akonadi
> > > > 1.13
> > > > branch packages, cause it contains quite some noticeable performance
> > > > updates regarding database access that made MySQL disappear from cpu
> > > > usage
> > > > top for most of the time. Its really a huge difference.
> > > > 
> > > > I use c733429f4fa9696fb027ddc946e54f6bbb68deaf of Akonadi git repo on
> > > > two
> > > > of my systems for at least a month and it works nice.
> > > > 
> > > > And well if what you point to is really a fix, I bet it may be
> > > > cherry-picked for the package. But if you can verify first, that the
> > > > fix
> > > > works, I think chances are higher to convince a Debian Qt/KDE team
> > > > member
> > > > to merge the change. So your idea of testing it

Re: Sqlite akonadi transaction mode fix

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 22 January 2015 12:21:29 Sandro Knauß wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> as martin already mentiond: SQLite is really not the preferend database
> backend. I played around with it for some time and it triggers randomly
> Database Errors. The base problem, is that sqlite only allows one writing
> thread, that's why you get deadlocks with sqlite.
The only errors I am getting are the deadlocks, and this patch at least
purports to fix them.  Hence my interest in using it.  The patch looks 
logical and simple. 
> 
> I'm glad if I can assits you fixing the sqlite issues. I'm a upstream
> developer, too. If there are any questions, just ask.
> 
> IMO sqlite really do not fit for akonadi, so i would recommend to switch to
> mysql or postgres.
Well I have been using sqlite for as long as I have been using akonadi
as I do not like MySql and do not want it on my machine, and postgresql
can not run as an embedded DB.  But I realise that this is my choice.

In all other respects other than these deadlocks sqlite is now working
just fine.  There used to to be many other problems but the deadlock
is the only one I hit now.

The only thing I can not do, and actually a Postgresql user can not do
either, is to do a KdePIM backup, it is hard coded to use use MySql, whatever
DB is selected.

David
> 
> Regads,
> 
> sandro
> 
> --
> 
> Am Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2015, 09:49:18 schrieb David Goodenough:
> > I use KdePIM and thus akonadi with SqLite.  I am running unstable and am
> > up to date with fixes.
> > 
> > Looking in the KDE bug database I found:-
> > 
> > http://osdir.com/ml/kde-commits/2014-07/msg02228.html
> > 
> > which seems to address the repeated dialog boxes I get while filters run
> > on
> > my mailboxes, and the log messages of which:-
> > 
> > DATABASE ERROR:
> >   Error code: 6
> >   DB error:  "database is deadlocked"
> >   Error text: "database is deadlocked Unable to fetch row"
> >   Query: "UPDATE PimItemTable SET atime = ? WHERE ( ( PimItemTable.id = ?
> >   )
> > 
> > )"
> > 
> > is an example.  All the errors I get currently are deadlock errors.
> > 
> > I don't think this fix is in the current build, and I realise that Debian
> > is getting ready for a new release and thus it is unlikely that this fix
> > will be able to be slotted in any time soon.  Can I simply get the
> > source, add this one patch and rebuild, or is it more complicated.  Also
> > which package(s) would I have to rebuild?  Is it just
> > akonadi-backend-sqlite?
> > 
> > David


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Re: Sqlite akonadi transaction mode fix

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 22 January 2015 10:50:53 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2015, 09:49:18 schrieb David Goodenough:
> > I use KdePIM and thus akonadi with SqLite.  I am running unstable and am
> > up to date with fixes.
> 
> No. Its no default. Default is Akonadi with MySQL. If you use SQLite, AFAIK
> you chose that yourself explicetely. So its no "thus" here, cause you have a
> choice which backend to use.
My bad, there was a missing comma.  It should have read "I use KdePIM and
thus akonadi, with Sqlite".  And yes, I chose Sqlite and wish to use it.
> 
> > Looking in the KDE bug database I found:-
> > 
> > http://osdir.com/ml/kde-commits/2014-07/msg02228.html
> > 
> > which seems to address the repeated dialog boxes I get while filters run
> > on
> > my mailboxes, and the log messages of which:-
> > 
> > DATABASE ERROR:
> >   Error code: 6
> >   DB error:  "database is deadlocked"
> >   Error text: "database is deadlocked Unable to fetch row"
> >   Query: "UPDATE PimItemTable SET atime = ? WHERE ( ( PimItemTable.id = ?
> >   )
> > 
> > )"
> > 
> > is an example.  All the errors I get currently are deadlock errors.
> > 
> > I don't think this fix is in the current build, and I realise that Debian
> > is getting ready for a new release and thus it is unlikely that this fix
> > will be able to be slotted in any time soon.  Can I simply get the
> > source, add this one patch and rebuild, or is it more complicated.  Also
> > which package(s) would I have to rebuild?  Is it just
> > akonadi-backend-sqlite?
> I read again and again, that KDEPIM developers themselves recommend not to
> use SQLite backend. I used PostgreSQL backend for some time, but now use
> MySQL backend as I believe it is most widely tested. But AFAIK as least one
> KDEPIM developers uses the PostgreSQL backend. It has the disadvantage
> tough that on major PostgreSQL updates you have to dump and restore the
> database to upgrade its structures.
> 
> I compiled akonadi and kdepim myself quite some time, but not from package,
> but installed it to /usr/local and initialized it with some environment
> variable settings. Its all described on kde wiki sites.
> 
> As to using Debian packages: Well basically its grab the source, change,
> rebuild. You would need quite some build dependencies satisfied, but you
> need that either way. The turn around time would be higher than just
> compiling and installing with make install I think, but I bet you wouldn´t
> need to do this often.
> 
> That said, I didn´t rebuild KDEPIM related packages yet, but I did this with
> Digikam and it worked quite nice.
> 
> As for updates to Debian packages, I´d like to see current akonadi 1.13
> branch packages, cause it contains quite some noticeable performance
> updates regarding database access that made MySQL disappear from cpu usage
> top for most of the time. Its really a huge difference.
> 
> I use c733429f4fa9696fb027ddc946e54f6bbb68deaf of Akonadi git repo on two of
> my systems for at least a month and it works nice.
> 
> And well if what you point to is really a fix, I bet it may be cherry-picked
> for the package. But if you can verify first, that the fix works, I think
> chances are higher to convince a Debian Qt/KDE team member to merge the
> change. So your idea of testing it locally by compiling yourself makes
> sense to me.
I am happy to do this, what I was trying to find out was exactly which packages
I would need to rebuild - does akonadi-backend-sqlite seem right? or am I 
going to have to rebuild the whole of kdepim?

David
> 
> Ciao,


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Sqlite akonadi transaction mode fix

[David Goodenough]

I use KdePIM and thus akonadi with SqLite.  I am running unstable and am 
up to date with fixes.

Looking in the KDE bug database I found:-

http://osdir.com/ml/kde-commits/2014-07/msg02228.html

which seems to address the repeated dialog boxes I get while filters run on
my mailboxes, and the log messages of which:-

DATABASE ERROR: 
  Error code: 6 
  DB error:  "database is deadlocked" 
  Error text: "database is deadlocked Unable to fetch row" 
  Query: "UPDATE PimItemTable SET atime = ? WHERE ( ( PimItemTable.id = ? ) )" 

is an example.  All the errors I get currently are deadlock errors.

I don't think this fix is in the current build, and I realise that Debian is 
getting ready for a new release and thus it is unlikely that this fix will be 
able to be slotted in any time soon.  Can I simply get the source, add this 
one patch and rebuild, or is it more complicated.  Also which package(s) would 
I have to rebuild?  Is it just akonadi-backend-sqlite?

David


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Re: KDE 4.12.2

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 06 March 2014 23:19:51 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> On Monday 17 February 2014 15:44:50 Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> > Anyhow, this has now been fixed in experimental.
> > 
> > I've been using KDE 4.12.2 now a bit and it seems to perform very well, I
> > didn't notice any problem yet.
> > 
> > Thanks to the Debian KDE team for packaging it!
> 
> Thank you for testing it!
Any idea when it might hit sid?  It would be really nice to get all the bug
fixes that 4.12 is supposed to have for kmail as the 4.11 one is driving me
round the bend.

David


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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 17 Jul 2013, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2013-07-17, David Goodenough  wrote:
> >  kdelibs-bin : Conflicts: kdelibs4c2a but 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5 is installed.
> 
> Aha. you have kde3 kdelibs still installed. Apparantly apt has a bit of
> issues with the removal here. kdelibs4c2a is kde3 kdelibs and need sto
> be removed.
Sune,

Right, I removed kdelib24c2a and while it removed a few things I still use
on other machines (kcpuload, knetload and kdeprint), I guess there are new
alternatives (I think the kxxxload ones are replaces with new plasma
widgets?, but kdeprint - is there a proper KDE4 version of this yet?)

Removing this did allow apt-get dist-upgrade to do its job, and it now
only wants to remove kdepim-wizards and kdepim-groupware which as you
point out is expected.

Thank you

David
> 
> >  kdepim-wizards : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1) but
> >  4:4.10.5-1
> > 
> > is to be installed.
> 
> kdepim-wizards as a package is gone
> 
> >  kdepim-groupware : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1) but
> > 
> > 4:4.10.5-1 is to be installed.
> 
> and so is this.
> 
> >   Remove the following packages:
> these are in general kde3/qt3 stuff, except the two packages mentioned
> above.
> 
> >   Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
> > 98) libmarblewidget13 recommends marble-plugins (= 4:4.8.4-3)
> 
> libmarblewidget13 is going away.
> 
> 
> I think it is safe to accept that solution. I think that apt also should
> be able to give a better solution if you remove kdelibs4c2a first. Note
> that kdelibs4c2a is not part of latest stable release.
> 
> /Sune



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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 17 Jul 2013, Diederik de Haas wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 July 2013 11:46:49 David Goodenough wrote:
> > I did "apt-get update; apt-get -u upgrade" this morning, and they went
> > fine, but then when I tried apt-get -u dist-upgrade I get the output you
> > can see at http://pastebin.com/ZJUzP83h .
> 
> Was that the full output?
> Because if you do 'aptitude full-upgrade', it would also list *WHY* those
> packages would be removed, which would help greatly in finding the problem
> and hence the solution.
OK, doing an aptitude full-upgrade I get:-

The following NEW packages will be installed:
  kdesdk-thumbnailers{a} kio-audiocd{a} libakonadi-calendar4{a} libakonadi-
notes4{a} libanalitza4abi2{a} libanalitzagui4abi1{a} 
  libanalitzaplot4{a} libcalendarsupport4{a} libeventviews4{a} libgrantlee-
core0{a} libgrantlee-gui0{a} libincidenceeditorsng4{a} 
  libkactivities-models1{a} libkalarmcal2{a} libkasten2controllers2{a} 
libkasten2core2{a} libkasten2gui2{a} 
  libkasten2okteta1controllers1{a} libkasten2okteta1core1{a} 
libkasten2okteta1gui1{a} libkcompactdisc4{a} libkdcraw22{a} libkdegames6{a} 
  libkdepimdbusinterfaces4{a} libkdgantt2-0{a} libkexiv2-11{a} libkipi10{a} 
libkmanagesieve4{a} libkmbox4{a} libksieveui4{a} 
  libkwineffects1abi4{a} libkwinglutils1abi1{a} libkworkspace4abi2{a} 
libmailcommon4{a} libmailimporter4{a} libmessagecomposer4{a} 
  libmessageviewer4{a} libmusicbrainz5-0{a} libnepomukcore4{a} 
libnepomukwidgets4{a} libokularcore2{a} libpimcommon4{a} libqjson0{a} 
  libqoauth1{a} libshp1{a} libtelepathy-qt4-2{a} libtemplateparser4{a} 
libwcs4{a} libxcb-damage0{a} nepomuk-core-data{a} 
  nepomuk-core-runtime{a} picmi{a} 
The following packages will be upgraded:
  akonadiconsole akregator amor ark blinken blogilo bomber bovo cantor cantor-
backend-kalgebra cervisia cvsservice dolphin dragonplayer 
  filelight granatier gwenview jovie juk kaccessible kaddressbook kalarm 
kalgebra kalgebra-common kalzium kamera kanagram kapman 
  kapptemplate kate katepart katomic kbattleship kblackbox kblocks kbounce 
kbreakout kbruch kcachegrind kcalc kcharselect kcolorchooser 
  kde-baseapps kde-baseapps-bin kde-baseapps-data kde-config-cddb kde-runtime 
kde-runtime-data kde-style-oxygen kde-window-manager 
  kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-kgreet-
plugins kdeadmin kdeartwork kdegames kdegraphics-mobipocket 
  kdegraphics-thumbnailers kdelibs-bin{b} kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins 
kdelirc kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdepasswd kdepim 
  kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime kdepim-strigi-plugins kdepimlibs-kio-
plugins kdeplasma-addons kdesdk kdesdk-kio-plugins kdesdk-misc 
  kdetoys kdewebdev kdf kdiamond kdm kdoctools kfilereplace kfind kfourinline 
kgamma kgeography kget kgoldrunner kgpg khangman 
  khelpcenter4 kig kigo killbots kimagemapeditor kinfocenter kiriki kiten 
kjots kjumpingcube kleopatra klettres klickety klines 
  klinkstatus klipper kmag kmahjongg kmail kmenuedit kmines kmix kmousetool 
kmouth kmplot kmtrace knetwalk knode knotes kolf kollision 
  kolourpaint4 kommander kompare konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins 
konquest konsole konsolekalendar kontact kopete korganizer 
  kpartloader kpat kppp krdc kremotecontrol kreversi krfb krosspython kruler 
kscd kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers kshisen ksirk 
  ksnapshot kspaceduel ksquares kstars ksudoku ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog 
kteatime ktimer ktimetracker ktouch ktron ktuberling 
  kturtle kubrick kuiviewer kuser kwalletmanager kwordquiz kwrite libakonadi-
contact4 libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kde4 libakonadi-kmime4 
  libkabc4 libkactivities-bin libkactivities6 libkateinterfaces4 
libkatepartinterfaces4 libkblog4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4 libkcalutils4 
  libkcddb4 libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 
libkdepim4 libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 
  libkemoticons4 libkephal4abi1 libkfile4 libkholidays4 libkhtml5 
libkidletime4 libkimap4 libkimproxy4 libkio5 libkiten4abi1 libkjsapi4 
  libkjsembed4 libkldap4 libkleo4 libkmahjongglib4 libkmediaplayer4 libkmime4 
libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 
  libkonq-common libkonq5abi1 libkonqsidebarplugin4a libkontactinterface4 
libkopete4 libkparts4 libkpgp4 libkpimidentities4 
  libkpimtextedit4 libkpimutils4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkresources4 
libkrosscore4 libkrossui4 libksane0 libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 
  libksieve4 libksignalplotter4 libktexteditor4 libktnef4 libkunitconversion4 
libkutils4 libkxmlrpcclient4 libmailtransport4 
  libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmicroblog4 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a 
libnepomukutils4 libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasma3 
  libplasmaclock4abi3 libplasmagenericshell4 libprocesscore4abi1 
libprocessui4a libsmokekdecore4-3 libsmokekdeui4-3 libsmokekfile3 
  libsmokekhtml3 libsmokekio3 libsmokeknewstuff2-3 libsmokeknewstuff3-3 
libsmokekparts3 libsmokektexteditor3 libsmokekutils3 
  l

Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 17 Jul 2013, Diederik de Haas wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 July 2013 11:46:49 David Goodenough wrote:
> > I did "apt-get update; apt-get -u upgrade" this morning, and they went
> > fine, but then when I tried apt-get -u dist-upgrade I get the output you
> > can see at http://pastebin.com/ZJUzP83h .
> 
> Was that the full output?
> Because if you do 'aptitude full-upgrade', it would also list *WHY* those
> packages would be removed, which would help greatly in finding the problem
> and hence the solution.
as I mentioned, I use apt-get not aptitude, so yes, baring a few lines at
the begining saying that:-

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done

That was all it said.

I can try aptitude, but apt-get has always served me well in the past.

David


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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 16 Jul 2013, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2013-07-16, David Goodenough  wrote:
> > how many packages are expected to be removed.  apt-get is telling me 213,
> > including things like akregator that I use every day.
> 
> I would say like a handful plus some replacements (like libfoo6abi1
> replaced by libfoo6abi2)
> 
> It might be that the mirror is slightly outdated or that the build
> network just is catching up.
> 
> If the error still persist tomorrow, please tell your architecture and
> exactly what apt is telling you.
> 
> /Sune
Ok, the problem persists.

The machine is running sid, and apart from these problems is brought up
to date each day.  It is a 686 machine.  I am fetching from the virtual
mirror http.debian.net, and it is the only source listed in sources.list
and sources.list.d is empty.

I did "apt-get update; apt-get -u upgrade" this morning, and they went
fine, but then when I tried apt-get -u dist-upgrade I get the output you 
can see at http://pastebin.com/ZJUzP83h .

If I try to install one of the things that is supposed to be removed like
akregator, it says it will install, but will still remove a bunch of stuff
(but only 90 or so rather than the 200 in this list).

David



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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 16 Jul 2013, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2013-07-16, David Goodenough  wrote:
> > how many packages are expected to be removed.  apt-get is telling me 213,
> > including things like akregator that I use every day.
> 
> I would say like a handful plus some replacements (like libfoo6abi1
> replaced by libfoo6abi2)
> 
> It might be that the mirror is slightly outdated or that the build
> network just is catching up.
> 
> If the error still persist tomorrow, please tell your architecture and
> exactly what apt is telling you.
> 
> /Sune
This has been going on for a few days now, but I will check again tomorrow.
The architecture is x86.

If it is still a problem in the morning I will cut and paste the apt-get
output and post it here.

David


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In the update to 4.10 ...

[David Goodenough]

how many packages are expected to be removed.  apt-get is telling me 213,
including things like akregator that I use every day.  

I suspect this is because the mirrors have not caught up, so if I knew how
many to expect I would know when to accept the upgrade.

I am on sid, so this is from an otherwise up to date machine which I 
upgrade every morning (it is a sacrifical machine but I would rather avoid
too many sacrifices).

The odd thing is that if I explicitly tell it to install akregator (which 
is already installed) it will happily do so, but then want to remove
about 90 other packages.

I am using the round robin http.debian.net in source.list.

David


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Re: Deebian 7.0 needs to support MTP (for Android), else it will lose relevance

[David Goodenough]

On Friday 08 Feb 2013, David Smith wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2013 1:33 AM, "Alexey Eromenko"  wrote:
> > The result:
> > Google decided to remove USB Mass Storage from Android 4.x devices.
> > Newer Android devices support MTP-only.
> 
> I don't believe that is accurate as my HP tablet running Cyanogenmod9 with
> Android 4.0.4, my Motorola Razor cell phone with Android 4.0.4, and my
> girlfriend's HTC One X with Android 4.1.1  work just fine with Debian
> Wheezy + KDE 4.8.4.  I can send and receive files between devices with zero
> issues, and these devices are all "up-to-date" with the latest stable
> android available for the devices.
> 
> I assume you mean the more bleeding edge android 4.2 or 4.3 which is
> currently only supported on a handful of devices, removed USB mass
> storage?  If so, I just won't upgrade my devices as the upgrade is always
> optional.  You should be able to flash an older version of android on your
> devices that you already purchased if you accidently upgraded to MTP-only,
> so it's not absolutely critical to support these MTP only devices for now.
> 
> Sure, some devices will come out with 4.2 and i assume that means they may
> only support MTP forever,  but if you need it, that's what Debian's
> backports is for.
My Samsung phone (Android) 2.3.6 only supports MTP.  There is no firmware for
it that supports USB mass storage.

David

Re: Any chance of this fix in kwallet

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 27 Nov 2012, Pino Toscano wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> Alle sabato 3 novembre 2012, Pino Toscano ha scritto:
> > Alle sabato 3 novembre 2012, David Goodenough ha scritto:
> > > I realise that sid is frozen, but this bug is really frustrating
> > > and it would be a shame to have it in the release.  There is a bug
> > > fix near the end.
> > > 
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279161
> > > 
> > > It refers to 4.7, it is still a problem in 4.8.4.
> > 
> > It sounds like a good fix; I've just backported the patch in the
> > packaging VCS, so it will be part of the next upload (no date for it
> > yet, though).
> 
> A fixed kwallet has just been uploaded and will be accepted in wheezy;
> so unstable users will get an updated kwalletmanager in few hours, and
> testing users in the usual 10 days.
Thank you

David

Any chance of this fix in kwallet

[David Goodenough]

I realise that sid is frozen, but this bug is really frustrating and it
would be a shame to have it in the release.  There is a bug fix near the 
end.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279161

It refers to 4.7, it is still a problem in 4.8.4.

David

Re: KDE SC 4.7.4 being uploaded to unstable

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 07 Mar 2012, David Goodenough wrote:
> On Monday 05 Mar 2012, José Manuel Santamaría Lema wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > the upload of KDE SC 4.7.4 started today and will continue tomorrow. I
> > recommend you to not upgrade at least until all the packages are
> > uploaded. When done I'll send another mail to this mailing list.
> > 
> > Good night from UTC+1.
> 
> Is there somewhere a list of redudant packages that we can expect to be
> removed?  There are still about 20 pacakges apt-get wants to remove and I
> am unsure if this is because not everything has migrated yet or because
> these are genuinely no longer needed.
> 
> David

Well to answer my own question (I hope acurately) now that kde-full is not 
being removed I take it that KDE is comlete.  There are seven pacakges 
remaining:-

kdebase-data kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-workspace-data 
kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins libplasmaclock4abi1 libscience4
libtaskmanager4abi1

David


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Re: KDE SC 4.7.4 being uploaded to unstable

[David Goodenough]

On Monday 05 Mar 2012, José Manuel Santamaría Lema wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> the upload of KDE SC 4.7.4 started today and will continue tomorrow. I
> recommend you to not upgrade at least until all the packages are uploaded.
> When done I'll send another mail to this mailing list.
> 
> Good night from UTC+1.
Is there somewhere a list of redudant packages that we can expect to be 
removed?  There are still about 20 pacakges apt-get wants to remove and I
am unsure if this is because not everything has migrated yet or because
these are genuinely no longer needed.

David


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Re: I notice we now have postgresql support in Akonadi...

[David Goodenough]

On Saturday 28 May 2011, Michael Schuerig wrote:
> On Saturday 28 May 2011, David Goodenough wrote:
> > Does anyone know what commands would need to be issued in order to
> > backup the MySql Akonadi data?  Also where is the Postgresql embedded
> > data stored for Akonadi?
> 
> I think this is a misconception. While Akonadi runs a private MySQL
> server instance, it does not do so with PostgreSQL. Instead, it just
> creates its own database that is served by the single, system-wide
> PostgreSQL server instance. In other words, your data will be stored
> somewhere below /var/lib/postgresql.
That is not what the docs say.  They say that with Postgresql you have 
a choice, and that the data can either be held in a server instance
or in an embedded form (like the MySql data).  The package description
says:-

"By default, a local PostgreSQL server instance will be started for each user. 
Alternatively, connection to an external PostgreSQL database is supported as 
well."
> 
> As far as backups go, are you sure you even need to backup the Akonadi
> database? Is there anything in the database that won't be recreated from
> its original source? If your contacts are stored in one or many vCard
> files and your calendar is in an iCal/ics file, I don't think you'll
> lose anything when you just switch to PostgreSQL. But don't take my word
> for it -- and make backups!
well knowing what to back up helps.  I would expect it to be somewhere 
under ~/.kde, but I am not sure.

David
> 
> Michael


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I notice we now have postgresql support in Akonadi...

[David Goodenough]

which is wonderful news.

I have an existing Akonadi installation from 4.4 which shortly I will
upgrade to 4.6.  So the question is how do I move from the 4.4 MySql
Akonadi to the 4.6 Postgresql support.

There is a means of backing up MySql data in a format that can be loaded
into Postgresql, which is good.  But I am unsure how to invoke the MySql
backup to point it at the embedded data - I am not even sure where the
data is in my home directory.

Does anyone know what commands would need to be issued in order to 
backup the MySql Akonadi data?  Also where is the Postgresql embedded
data stored for Akonadi?

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Re: How does Konqueror detect flash versions?

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 20 January 2011, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Thursday, 2011-01-20, David Goodenough wrote:
> > I am having endless problems running flash (in particular BBC IPlayer).
> > I have the normal flashplayer-plugin installed from sid (from a few weeks
> > ago) and as I recall that installed flash player 10 (.? I do not
> > remember).
> > 
> > The IPlayer page I hit this morning gave some more information, it said:-
> > 
> > This content requires Flash Player version 9 (installed version: 7.0.25)
> > 
> > which made me think that perhaps I have an old version installed
> > somewhere, and it is finding the wrong one.  Any idea how I might track
> > down the 7.0.25 that it is finding so that I can terminate it with
> > extreme prejudice.
> 
> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Plugins
> second tab shows a list of paths searched for plugins and below that the
> ones it found.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin
thanks that enabled me to find it and kill the miscreant.  Now IPlayer works
as expected.

David


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How does Konqueror detect flash versions?

[David Goodenough]

I am having endless problems running flash (in particular BBC IPlayer).
I have the normal flashplayer-plugin installed from sid (from a few weeks
ago) and as I recall that installed flash player 10 (.? I do not remember).

The IPlayer page I hit this morning gave some more information, it said:-

This content requires Flash Player version 9 (installed version: 7.0.25)

which made me think that perhaps I have an old version installed 
somewhere, and it is finding the wrong one.  Any idea how I might track
down the 7.0.25 that it is finding so that I can terminate it with 
extreme prejudice.  

This is machine that I have been running for some years, and it might
have picked up manner of cruft over the years.

David


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Odd problem with KDE (on sid)

[David Goodenough]

Recently I have had two occasions when KDE stopped responding to the
keyboard.  The mouse worked, but not the keyboard (not even Ctrl-Alt-F1
to get to the console).

In both cases something (possibly a dialog) appeared and then 
disappeared
just before it froze.

I looked in .kde/share/config for recently changed files, and compared them
to other machines I had.  It turned out that the problem was kaccessrc
which should read (i.e. what works on other machine):-

[Keyboard]
GestureConfirmation=false
Gestures=false

but when frozen read:-

[Keyboard]
GestureConfirmation=true
Gestures=true
SlowKeys=true

Reading 
http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/forums/showthread.php/17516-
keyboard-not-working-in-KDE it would seem this is a known problem, but
it does seem odd that once this is set there is nothing visible to mark that
slow keys mode is enabled, and no obvious way to get out of it.  Apparently
simply holding down each key for a while would do it, but that is not 
something that I would naturally do.

Obviously for some people this is a useful feature, but it would be nice to
have something like a tray entry that I can click on with the mouse in order
to mark that this is happening and to turn if off.

David


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Re: keyboard problems after 4.5.1

[David Goodenough]

On Saturday 11 September 2010, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Samstag 11 September 2010 schrieb Andreas Bourges:
> > Hi,
> 
> Hi!
> 
> > ...this is definitly not xorg-related. Keyboards works well in kdm
> > during login or when starting another window-manager (twm).
> > 
> > It must be something down in the kde config - but 'till now I'm unable
> > to locate the cause :(
> > 
> > Still looking for a solution, any hints welcome :(
> 
> I now had this also while typing a mail in KMail. Keyboard just didn't
> work at all anymore. I switched to a tty and then back and then it worked
> again.
> 
> I am sure I had those issues with KDE 4.4 already. I never bothered to do
> anything about it, cause it was so unspecified. Thought could be 
anything,
> and I was after finding the cause for some other problem in the last 
weeks:
> random Radeon KMS related hard freezes for which now thankfully is at
> least a work-around available.
> 
> Ciao,
I had the same problem with 4.4 (from sid).  The cure was to delete the
.kde directory (or rather rename it and then try restoring the bits like 
kmail.

With me it was so bad that I could not even switch sessions back to the
console.  

The mouse worked, but from within KDE the keyboard was entirely
useless.  On KDM it worked, and at that stage I could switch to the 
console and the keyboard was fine there.

If anyone can tell me which .kde files might be relevant, I have the ones
that failed and can send them to whoever might be able to make sense
of them.

David


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Re: Konqueror: webkit instead of khtml

[David Goodenough]

On Monday 27 April 2009, Christoph Burgmer wrote:
> Am Montag, 27. April 2009 schrieb Juergen Hornung:
> > now that we have qt 4.5 in SID I'd love to see also a webkit rendering
> > engine in konqueror - is there a change to see a working part of it?
> > (I tested it with Arora and I really love the webkit rendering).
>
> JFTR: planetkde is currently going through some khtml flameing. No actually
> helpful facts on the webkit part though.
>
> Christoph

Its not only the rendering that is nice is WebKit.  Arora also handles Ajax 
type web pages much better.  For instance GWT applications (even old ones)
work where they never did with Konqueror, the BBC map showing the 
progress of the train they are running around India to cover the election 
shows up (on Konqueror you get a blank, on Firefox it is wrongly positioned
and has none of the place markers) works properly, and things like the 
CouchDB Footon page also work.

Now I assume that this is due to WebKit rather than Arora (which may be a big
assumption). 

David


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Re: Can KDE4 use Postgresql rather than MySql

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2009-04-07, David Goodenough  wrote:
> > When I did the upgrade it would not automatically install kdebase-data
>
> kdebase-data is a kde3 package, so it should not be installed.
>
> /Sune

in which case I can only assume there is a dependancy problem.  There
were things it would not install because they depended on it.  What is
more, what is now installed is version "4:4.2.2-1 - shared data files for
the KDE 4 base module", according to dpkg -l kdebase-data.

David


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Re: Can KDE4 use Postgresql rather than MySql

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009, David Goodenough wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> > On Tuesday 07 April 2009, David Goodenough wrote:
> > > Do you know how I would tell if all the patches where there, and how I
> > > go about telling akonadi to try to use postgresql?  It would appear
> > > that akonadi starts its own mysql server instance, but I already have a
> > > postgresql server instance running, so all I would need to do it point
> > > it at that - I guess.
> >
> > Most likely currently only through editing the config file:
> > $HOME/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
> >
> > In the general section the driver might have to be "PSQL" and then a
> > section called like that, probably with similar parameters like the one
> > for MYSQL.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kevin
>
> OK, I will give it a go.
>
> Unfortunately my sacrificial machine which I update to the latest of sid
> every morning is currently doing all kind of bad things after the upgrade.
>
> When I did the upgrade it would not automatically install kdebase-data
> and so I tried to install it manually.  That said it would remove most of
> kde4 so, being a sacrificial machine I let it.  I then reinstalled kde4 and
> it kept on crashing when it started up.  ksmserver was aparently dying,
> so I deleted .kde/share/config/ksmserver and it now comes up.  I had
> one or two old applets (such as kcpumon and knetworkmon or whatever
> they were called and I guess that one or other of those was causing it
> grief).
>
> Anyway not it comes up, but when I try to start anything, even konsole,
> it dies a horrible death, painting nasty striped on my vt1-6 consoles so
> that I can not even log on there.  I suppose it might be that kaboom
> did not migrate something correctly, so the next thing I guess I will
> try is renaming .kde to something else (not .kde4) and trying that to
> see if it is simply an old configuration option that is causing the
> problem.
>
> David

Just to follow up on what happened.  Well I thought that maybe the 
problem was an X problem, so I did what I have done to a number of
my systems recently, that is I removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and then
X can configure itself.  That seems to have cured the problem, and now
I can start konqueror, konsole, etc and it all seems to work as expected.

So obviously there was something in the xorg.conf (which is quite old)
and describes an Intel 82515 card with the i810 driver and an elderly
monitor, which Kde 3.5 did not use and Kde 4 falls over on.  Given that
self configuration is now the norm I guess this is not going to be too 
much of a problem.

The only other thing I have noticed is that it keeps on migrating resources
every time I restart KDE, and in the Akonadi server startup it complains that
the server is not available on DBus - I suspect this is because this is an old
underpowered machine (256MB 900MHz PIII) and that there may be an 
underlying timing problem as the machine is trashing away when it 
starts up KDE.

David


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Re: Can KDE4 use Postgresql rather than MySql

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, David Goodenough wrote:
> > Do you know how I would tell if all the patches where there, and how I go
> > about telling akonadi to try to use postgresql?  It would appear that
> > akonadi starts its own mysql server instance, but I already have a
> > postgresql server instance running, so all I would need to do it point it
> > at that - I guess.
>
> Most likely currently only through editing the config file:
> $HOME/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
>
> In the general section the driver might have to be "PSQL" and then a
> section called like that, probably with similar parameters like the one for
> MYSQL.
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin

OK, I will give it a go.

Unfortunately my sacrificial machine which I update to the latest of sid
every morning is currently doing all kind of bad things after the upgrade.

When I did the upgrade it would not automatically install kdebase-data 
and so I tried to install it manually.  That said it would remove most of
kde4 so, being a sacrificial machine I let it.  I then reinstalled kde4 and
it kept on crashing when it started up.  ksmserver was aparently dying,
so I deleted .kde/share/config/ksmserver and it now comes up.  I had 
one or two old applets (such as kcpumon and knetworkmon or whatever
they were called and I guess that one or other of those was causing it
grief).

Anyway not it comes up, but when I try to start anything, even konsole,
it dies a horrible death, painting nasty striped on my vt1-6 consoles so
that I can not even log on there.  I suppose it might be that kaboom 
did not migrate something correctly, so the next thing I guess I will 
try is renaming .kde to something else (not .kde4) and trying that to
see if it is simply an old configuration option that is causing the problem.

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Re: Can KDE4 use Postgresql rather than MySql

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, David Goodenough wrote:
> > I notice that Kde4 pulls in MySql, I think if I remember correctly this
> > is part of the new bits of KdePim for akonadi (if I remember its name
> > correctly).
> >
> > I use Postgresql for all my databases, and feel much more comfortable
> > with Postgresql than I do with MySql (even more so now that it seems
> > to be being forked upstream).  Is it possible to build akonadi with
> > postgresql support rather than mysql, and if so is this something that
> > the Kde packagers might consider - i.e. offering the choice?
>
> There has been some initial work on supporting Postgresql and I think those
> patches got merged.
>
> It might require some manual setup, i.e. the fully automomous startup is
> most likely only supported for MySQL right now.
>
> Would be interesting to have some feedback/testing on usage with Postgres
> though.
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin

Do you know how I would tell if all the patches where there, and how I go
about telling akonadi to try to use postgresql?  It would appear that 
akonadi starts its own mysql server instance, but I already have a postgresql
server instance running, so all I would need to do it point it at that - I
guess.

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Can KDE4 use Postgresql rather than MySql

[David Goodenough]

I notice that Kde4 pulls in MySql, I think if I remember correctly this is
part of the new bits of KdePim for akonadi (if I remember its name 
correctly).

I use Postgresql for all my databases, and feel much more comfortable
with Postgresql than I do with MySql (even more so now that it seems 
to be being forked upstream).  Is it possible to build akonadi with 
postgresql support rather than mysql, and if so is this something that
the Kde packagers might consider - i.e. offering the choice?

David


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Re: [ANN] KDE 4.2 moving to unstable *this* week

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 31 March 2009, David Baron wrote:
> > >>  Great news, thanks for all Your hard work!
> > >
> > > /Magnus
> >
> > Those are indeed fantastic news! Thanks to all KDE team in Debian!
>
> Yes, fantastic and long-awaited.
>
> Be it known that current kdepim family packages have broken dependencies
> relating the gnokii stuff, been so for a while now.

As far as I can see that got fixed a few weeks ago.  I have successfully 
installed all of kde4 from experimental on a newly installed sid system,
and it all installs completely.

David


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Re: [ANN] KDE 4.2 moving to unstable *this* week

[David Goodenough]

On Monday 30 March 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> Dear users,
>
> KDE 4.2 will move from experimental to unstable this week. We can not tell
> the exact day.
>
> If you want to stay with KDE 3.5 start looking at what you update...
>
> If you are updating, do the upgrade out of KDE 3 or after upgrade, restart
> your X session. When logging in KDE 4 first time, remember to read
> carefully "kaboom" instructions when doing the upgrade.
>
> If you are already using KDE 4, you will have "kaboom" prompting for you
> too, again read _carefully_ the instructions.
>
> In short: about kaboom
> kaboom is tool for migrating your data and settings from .kde4 back to
> .kde., when needed, and it also offers a backup option. It has been
> developed for the Qt/KDE team, so you won't find it in another distros.
>
> Enjoy,
> Ana

This is great news.  Would it be possible to publish the instructions 
somewhere on a web page so that people be aware of what they need
to do when the upgrade comes?

David


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kaddressbook 4.2.1 dependency on libgnokii3

[David Goodenough]

kdeaddressbook in experimental seems to depend on libgnokii3, but this
no longer exists in sid.  This seems to have been discussed in a number of
bugs (516612 which is closed and 507238) but the 4.2.1 version still has
this dependency.

Any chance of resolving this.

BTW, any news on when 4.2.1 is to migrate to sid?

David


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Re: What is the plan to get KDE 4.2 into sid?

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:31:34AM +0000, David Goodenough wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> > > On 2009-02-24, David Goodenough  wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:13:15PM +, David Goodenough wrote:
> > > >> > I have seen a few questions about this last week, most of which
> > > >> > were answered by saying that it was in the NEW queue.  But I had a
> > > >> > look at the NEW queue just now and there does not seem to be any
> > > >> > of KDE sitting in the queue.
> > > >>
> > > >> I guess you mean the answers to where went some pieces of kde 4.2
> > > >> went when it was uploaded to experimental. That is old stuff now :)
> > > >>
> > > >> About KDE 4.2 in unstable, we are actively working on it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ana
> > > >
> > > > No, I knew that 4.2 was in experimental, it was the move to sid that
> > > > I was looking to know about.  Are we talking days, weeks or months?
> > >
> > > Probably days or weeks, probably not months.
> > >
> > > The release team wants coordinated breakage of debian/unstable, so we
> > > are basically waiting for our ticket in the queue.
> > >
> > > /Sune
> >
> > Is there a wiki page or somesuch which describes this breakage plan?  It
> > would be a useful resource to us all.
>
> We will announce in advance (1-2 days) the important stuff (exaclty when
> KDE 4 will be the default desktop in unstable).
>
> If we have any resource we think it can be interesting for users, it would
> be linked in our website.
>
> Ana

I think you misunderstood whose page I thought this might be.  I was looking
for a release team general page, not a KDE specific page.  I was unaware 
that there was any breakage plan, and I was interested to know if it is a
public plan.  I realise this is not a really KDE question, but as you are
obviously in receipt of it, you must know where it came from.

David


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Re: What is the plan to get KDE 4.2 into sid?

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2009-02-24, David Goodenough  wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:13:15PM +, David Goodenough wrote:
> >> > I have seen a few questions about this last week, most of which were
> >> > answered by saying that it was in the NEW queue.  But I had a look at
> >> > the NEW queue just now and there does not seem to be any of KDE
> >> > sitting in the queue.
> >>
> >> I guess you mean the answers to where went some pieces of kde 4.2 went
> >> when it was uploaded to experimental. That is old stuff now :)
> >>
> >> About KDE 4.2 in unstable, we are actively working on it.
> >>
> >> Ana
> >
> > No, I knew that 4.2 was in experimental, it was the move to sid that I
> > was looking to know about.  Are we talking days, weeks or months?
>
> Probably days or weeks, probably not months.
>
> The release team wants coordinated breakage of debian/unstable, so we
> are basically waiting for our ticket in the queue.
>
> /Sune

Is there a wiki page or somesuch which describes this breakage plan?  It
would be a useful resource to us all.

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Re: What is the plan to get KDE 4.2 into sid?

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:13:15PM +0000, David Goodenough wrote:
> > I have seen a few questions about this last week, most of which were
> > answered by saying that it was in the NEW queue.  But I had a look at
> > the NEW queue just now and there does not seem to be any of KDE
> > sitting in the queue.
>
> I guess you mean the answers to where went some pieces of kde 4.2 went
> when it was uploaded to experimental. That is old stuff now :)
>
> About KDE 4.2 in unstable, we are actively working on it.
>
> Ana

No, I knew that 4.2 was in experimental, it was the move to sid that I
was looking to know about.  Are we talking days, weeks or months?

Looking forward to the results (i.e 4.2),

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What is the plan to get KDE 4.2 into sid?

[David Goodenough]

I have seen a few questions about this last week, most of which were 
answered by saying that it was in the NEW queue.  But I had a look at
the NEW queue just now and there does not seem to be any of KDE 
sitting in the queue.

David


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Re: konqueror alphabets all over the place

[David Goodenough]

On Sunday 12 March 2006 08:34, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote:
> Søndag 12 marts 2006 09:07 skrev Anders Ellenshøj Andersen:
> > Well let me chime in also. I have been meaning to complain about this for
> > a long time, because I also thought it was a bug. Actually I found out
> > only a few months back that this is actually a feature.
> >
> > Be that as it may. This feature is of no use to me, and I find the boxes
> > with letters extremely annoying. I would rather they not show.
>
> This is now kde wishlist bug #123468.
>
> Link provided for your voting convenience. :-)
>
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123468
>
> Anders
One of the reasons this stuff is there is to comply with the rules on
making computers "Accessible" to those with physical disabilities.  In
several countries such behaviour is strongly recommended and is
quite likely to become mandatory.  

It is also useful on laptops, where controlling the "mouse" with a 
touchpad is never quite as easy as a real mouse.

There is a control panel setting to turn it off as I understand it.

David

Re: Kde and Zeroconf

[David Goodenough]

On Sunday 29 January 2006 11:04, Isaac Clerencia wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 January 2006 11:33, David Goodenough wrote:
> > I noticed this morning that an update to KDE came in when I upgraded my
> > sid box which said that ZeroConf had been enabled using Avahi.  But when
> > I try to use zeroconf:/ in Konqueror it says the protocol is not known. 
> > I have restarted my KDE session between the upgrade and trying to use it.
> >
> > Is this because some other component also needs an upgrade that is not
> > available yet (kdenetwork?) or is there something else I need to do?
>
> Yes, kio_zeroconf is available in the new kdenetwork packages.
I take it that by new you mean not made it into sid yet.  In which case I look
forward to their arrival.

David
>
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Kde and Zeroconf

[David Goodenough]

I noticed this morning that an update to KDE came in when I upgraded my sid
box which said that ZeroConf had been enabled using Avahi.  But when I try
to use zeroconf:/ in Konqueror it says the protocol is not known.  I have 
restarted my KDE session between the upgrade and trying to use it.

Is this because some other component also needs an upgrade that is not 
available yet (kdenetwork?) or is there something else I need to do?

David


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Re: Is there anything I can do to help getting kdebindings updated

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 19 October 2005 08:19, Isaac Clerencia wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:16, David Goodenough wrote:
> > On Monday 17 October 2005 12:12, David Goodenough wrote:
> > > Almost all of KDE has now completed the transition through the ABI
> > > change and to 3.4.2, but the kdebindings have not made it yet.  There
> > > is a bug raised for the transition, but it is 34 days old.
> > >
> > > I am not a DD, but I have done some work with the java bindings before,
> > > and if there is anything I can do to help I would be happy to do so,
> > > although my other language skills are limited.
> > >
> > > David
> >
> > Well I have downloaded the TAR from kde.org, and surprise surprise it
> > compiles quite cleanly.
>
> Of course, 99.9% of KDE releases compile cleanly :)
>
> > I am not sure I should do next.  Do I simply copy
> > across the Debian directory from the last version?  Then what?
>
> There are some issues that should be fixed before uploading the new
> kdebindings to Sid (and they are the main reason it's taking this time),
> this is a little list created from an IRC talk with Adeodato Simó:
> * make it build in mips and mipsel: #282134
> * port the packaging stuff to CDBS
> * there are some patches that we should consider
> * other (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=kdebindings)
>
> Best regards
If you look at one of my other responses to this thread you will see that
dpkg-buildpackage does not want to work.  There is a missing build 
dependency (java-gcj-compat-dev) and a problem with the build process
finding jni.h which is odd given that it builds cleanly from the tar.

Is this the right list to discuss these things, yours is the first response I 
have got and I would really like to help if I can.

David


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Re: Is there anything I can do to help getting kdebindings updated

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 18 October 2005 17:16, David Goodenough wrote:
> On Monday 17 October 2005 12:12, David Goodenough wrote:
> > Almost all of KDE has now completed the transition through the ABI change
> > and to 3.4.2, but the kdebindings have not made it yet.  There is a bug
> > raised for the transition, but it is 34 days old.
> >
> > I am not a DD, but I have done some work with the java bindings before,
> > and if there is anything I can do to help I would be happy to do so,
> > although my other language skills are limited.
> >
> > David
>
> Well I have downloaded the TAR from kde.org, and surprise surprise it
> compiles quite cleanly.  I am not sure I should do next.  Do I simply copy
> across the Debian directory from the last version?  Then what?
>
> David
I tried building it with dpkg-buildpackage and it complained about a few 
missing Build-Depends.  All of them installed except for one, libgcj4-dev
which is no longer in unstable, its libgcj6-dev instead.

Then it wanted a /usr/bin/javah, which required me to install 
java-gcj-compat-dev.

Now it complains about jni.h, and that should be installed by
java-gcj-compat-dev, but its obviously in the wrong place 
as dpkg-buildpackage can not find it.

David


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Re: Is there anything I can do to help getting kdebindings updated

[David Goodenough]

On Monday 17 October 2005 12:12, David Goodenough wrote:
> Almost all of KDE has now completed the transition through the ABI change
> and to 3.4.2, but the kdebindings have not made it yet.  There is a bug
> raised for the transition, but it is 34 days old.
>
> I am not a DD, but I have done some work with the java bindings before, and
> if there is anything I can do to help I would be happy to do so, although
> my other language skills are limited.
>
> David
Well I have downloaded the TAR from kde.org, and surprise surprise it 
compiles quite cleanly.  I am not sure I should do next.  Do I simply copy
across the Debian directory from the last version?  Then what?

David


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Is there anything I can do to help getting kdebindings updated

[David Goodenough]

Almost all of KDE has now completed the transition through the ABI change and 
to 3.4.2, but the kdebindings have not made it yet.  There is a bug raised
for the transition, but it is 34 days old.

I am not a DD, but I have done some work with the java bindings before, and
if there is anything I can do to help I would be happy to do so, although my 
other language skills are limited.

David


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Re: Koffice progress on C++ ABI transition AGAIN

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 04 October 2005 10:57, Sylvain Joyeux wrote:
> I rebuilt the debian packages for x86. They are available at
>
> deb http://lpnotfr.free.fr/debian ./
>
> The (very small) patch needed to make it build under gcc4 is there as well
> http://lpnotfr.free.fr/debian/kde-gcc4/koffice-gcc4.diff
>
> I don't know if it is good practice, but I bumped the debian revision from
> -4 to -5 to make the upgrade automatic
>
> Regards
> Sylvain
Wonderful news.  I realise it may be more complicated as it will be a new
version of the underlying source rather than just a rebuild of the existing
source, but any chance of kdebindings-java?

David


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Re: Koffice progress on C++ ABI transision

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 00:51, Matej Cepl wrote:
> Alan Chandler wrote:
> > Anybody any idea what is holding up the koffice transision.  I have my
> > updated KDE for a few weeks now, but I am still without kword (and
> > others). Occassional messages to this list all have replies that express
> > optimism for an answer that is now at least two weeks old.
>
> I have downloaded source packages for kubuntu from ftp.kde.org and
> recmopiled them without any problems (just fixing something in
> debian/control). Unfortunately, I cannot find neither .debs nor diff.gz on
> my computer -- I have probably removed them. But it should fairly easy to
> do it.
>
This may well be the case, but it still does not answer the question as to
where the official packages are.  Maybe the time has now come to say
that the original request not to put in bugs against packages which have
not been updated is now out of date and that we should start submitting
bugs if that is the only way to get them through.

David
> Matej
>
> --
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> of a country, the more corrupt the rulers. A country called The
> Socialist People's Democratic Republic of X is probably the last
> place in the world you'd want to live.
> -- Paul Graham discussing (not only) Nigerian spam
>(http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html)


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Any news of Koffice and KdeBindings for 3.4.2

[David Goodenough]

Now that we have KDE 3.4.2 in unstable, and it is good and stable, there are
two groups of packages that do not seem to have made the transition, that
is koffice and at least kdebindings-java (I do not have a need for any other
kdebindings).  Any idea when they might appear, or what might be the 
holdup?

David


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Re: safe to upgrade sid?

[David Goodenough]

I had this problem on a newly installed machine, but I solved it by 
downgrading kdelibs4 and kdelibs-bin to 3.3.2-6.1.  kmail now does not
segfault.  I await 3.4.1 with interest.

David

On Saturday 16 July 2005 02:16, Tim Folger wrote:
> Has anyone upgraded sid within the last few days without encountering the
> segfault with kmail? Does the upgrade still break kmail?
>
> Tim


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Re: Switching Konqueror between proxy and non-proxy locations

[David Goodenough]

On Friday 11 March 2005 15:07, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 02:39:34PM +0000, David Goodenough wrote:
> > I have two laptops which I need to configure so that they can easily be
> > switched between a location where they require a proxy to reach the
> > outside world from Konqueror and one where they do not.  I will have
> > a set of scripts which handle the change of IP addresses (one is static
> > the other dhcp) and I would like to update Konqueror as well to reflect
> > the proxy requirement.  The one with the proxy is the one with static
> > IP addresses.
> >
> > Anyone got any ideas?
>
> I have konquereor configured to use the http_proxy environment
> variable, and source /etc/use-proxy in my shell startup scripts and
> the Xsession. /etc/use-proxy is generated by the network startup
> scripts to contain the appropriate code to set the environment.

Thank you, that is exactly what I needed.

David
>
> Greetings
> Marc
>
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Switching Konqueror between proxy and non-proxy locations

[David Goodenough]

I have two laptops which I need to configure so that they can easily be 
switched between a location where they require a proxy to reach the 
outside world from Konqueror and one where they do not.  I will have 
a set of scripts which handle the change of IP addresses (one is static
the other dhcp) and I would like to update Konqueror as well to reflect
the proxy requirement.  The one with the proxy is the one with static
IP addresses.

Anyone got any ideas?

Regards

David


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How to scale SVG images

[David Goodenough]

I am using an application (OpenNMS) which generates SVG (or PNG, but SVG is
nicer) images as part of its output.  But the picture does not quite fit the 
available screen area.  Is there a setting which will persuade ksvg to scale
the image to fit?  

TIA, David

Re: How to get rid of KVim

[David Goodenough]

On Friday 25 June 2004 15:43, Gavin Hamill wrote:
> On Friday 25 June 2004 15:32, Silvan wrote:
> > ->apt-get remove kvim
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> >   kde kdeaddons kvim vimpart
> > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 0B of archives.
> > ...
>
> This is a complete misnomer...
>
> Removing 'kvim' will NOT remove the entirety of the K Desktop Environment.
> It will remove the 10k Debian 'metapackage' called 'kde' as well as the one
> called 'kdeaddons'.
>
> It does this because kvim is part of the kdeaddons metapackage, and
> kdeaddons is part of the kde metapackage.
>
> Rest assured your KDE installation is safe.
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin.
Yes, BUT, it will interfere with future upgrades that add new components
(this time that we might want) to KDE.  If you do not have the metapackage
they will not get included automatically.

David

Re: Why has menu handling changed...

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 23 June 2004 19:49, Matías Costa wrote:
> El Miércoles, 23 de Junio de 2004 15:16, David Goodenough escribió:
> > Recently there was a change to KDE which stopped Alt+ the underlined
> > letter on menu entries from invoking that entry.  If you are lucky and
> > the letter does not have another meaning, then Alt followed by the letter
> > still works, but Alt+S to save a file seems to have stopped working.  Was
> > this deliberate or is it a bug?
>
> Alt+s worked by default? I have not upgraded from one month and Alt+s don't
> work. Control+s always worked and I'd say alt+s never (well i'm not sure
> about this last)
>
> Did you mean alt+ -stop- +s? In my language  is a
> (_a_rchivo => file)

Yes, my mistake, it is Ctrl-S for File Save.  But the mian point remains, 
Alt-F does not select the File menu, Alt-E does not select the Edit menu etc.

Oddly Java apps (Eclipse) still work, and so does Lotus Notes running under
Wine.

David

Re: How to get rid of KVim

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 23 June 2004 16:27, Alexander Nordström wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 Jun 2004 21:14, David Goodenough wrote:
> > It seems to be a pre-req for any KDE install, try to remove it (at least
> > under Debian) and most of KDE seems to want to go away.
>
> It is not.
>
> # apt-get remove kvim
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   kvim
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives.
> After unpacking 1892kB disk space will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
> Abort.
>
> > Why was KVim added as the default editor (at least when you
> > open files with Konqueror) when we have so many other good
> > editors?
>
> Most likely because vimpart is installed. From "apt-cache show vimpart":
>
> Description: embedded Vim text editor component for KDE
>  This package allows the text editor Vim to be embedded into a number of
>  different KDE applications.  It does this by encapsulating Vim within a
>  KPart (an embedded KDE component).
>  .
>  Applications that can make use of the Vim part include KDevelop,
>  Konqueror and KWrite.
>  .
>  Note that this component requires a graphical version of Vim (such as KVim
>  or GVim) to be installed separately.  The Vim component may also need
>  to be configured before use - this can be done in the KDE Components
>  section of the KDE Control Centre.
>  .
>  This package is part of the KDE add-ons module.
>
> (end)
>
> It would seem to be a reasonable assumption that if one has installed
> vimpart, one wants to use it rather than the default Embedded Advanced Text
> Editor. Naturally, this is still configurable from the Control Centre->KDE
> Components->Component Chooser->Embedded text editor.
>
> > I know I can go through all the associations in Konqueror and
> > remove KVim, but I want to do it automatically so that my users
> > do not keep on having to replicate this action.
>
> My guess is that the reason programs would be removed along with kvim is
> that those programs have been installed through metapackages such as
> kde-extras, kdeaddons, and kdekitchensink.
>
> If you desperately need the 1.8 MiB, the individual packages of those
> metapackages do not require kvim or vimpart and can be installed
> individually. Simply choosing another editor component would seem easier,
> though.
>
> --
> Alex Nordstrom

I looked at the Control Centre, and the Embedded text editor was already
set to the Embedded Advanced Text editor, rather than KVim.

I really do not care whether Vim and its friends are installed, what I mind 
about is what the user sees and how to make sure that it is not Vim.  I do not
understand why it was thought that Vim would be a good idea for ordinary
end users.

David

Why has menu handling changed...

[David Goodenough]

Recently there was a change to KDE which stopped Alt+ the underlined letter
on menu entries from invoking that entry.  If you are lucky and the letter
does not have another meaning, then Alt followed by the letter still works, 
but Alt+S to save a file seems to have stopped working.  Was this deliberate
or is it a bug?

David

How to get rid of KVim

[David Goodenough]

Much as I have tried, I can not come to terms with KVim.  If I have a 
plain text file I want KWrite or Kate. 

I am a programmer, but have never used Vim, and at least I 
recognise Vim and understand that it has its uses and that 
many programmers live by it.  But I have also had comments
from non-programmers asking what this KVim is, why is it so
different from all the other KDE editors (the menu entries with
the :commands for a start) and how do they get rid of it.

It seems to be a pre-req for any KDE install, try to remove it (at least
under Debian) and most of KDE seems to want to go away.  

Why was KVim added as the default editor (at least when you 
open files with Konqueror) when we have so many other good
editors?

I know I can go through all the associations in Konqueror and
remove KVim, but I want to do it automatically so that my users 
do not keep on having to replicate this action.

David

Re: manually compile kdebindings?

[David Goodenough]

On Friday 16 April 2004 12:34, Dominique Devriese wrote:
> Raphael Bauduin writes:
> > Hi, as kdebindings arent available in debian unstable, has anyone
> > already compiled it manually?  I didn't search a lot, but when I
> > tried it complained it didn't find the multithreaded qt, although it
> > was really there.
>
> I am working on Debian packages for it.
>
> Your error is something pretty basic, namely that you need to install
> the libqt3-mt-dev package.
>
> cheers
> domi
Which Java compiler are you planning to use?  SableVM, Kaffe, GCJ,
Jikes or one of the comercial ones?

David

Re: KDE 3.1.3 - Sid Status Update

[David Goodenough]

On Sunday 24 August 2003 03:17, Eric Christopherson wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 04:07:42PM +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 August 2003 13:36, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:08:44PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> > > > Other Maintainers KDE 3.1.3 packages
> > > > 
> > >
> > > One you've missed here is kdebindings, which has been unmaintained for
> > > a long time. Should it simply be removed? Note that python-qt2 and
> > > python-qt3 depend on it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Colin Watson 
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > kdebindings needs its Java bit converted to use gcj.
>
> [snip]
>
> Would it then be possible to compile Java KDE apps to native code (or is
> this already possible without me realizing it)? That would be cool.
>
> --
> Furrfu!   r a k k o  at  c h a r t e r  dot  n e t

Yes it would.  I intend to product both java and native forms of the binding
when I get it to work.

David

Re: KDE 3.1.3 - Sid Status Update

[David Goodenough]

On Saturday 23 August 2003 13:36, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:08:44PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> > Other Maintainers KDE 3.1.3 packages
> > 
>
> One you've missed here is kdebindings, which has been unmaintained for a
> long time. Should it simply be removed? Note that python-qt2 and
> python-qt3 depend on it.
>
> --
> Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

kdebindings needs its Java bit converted to use gcj.  I have started, but
the misteries of autoconf have got me really confused.  There are some
explicit bits of code in configure.in which do not like gcj, and I am really
unsure why they are there.  I am also low on time currently.  But I do
hope to convert it, and then feed that back to the KDE community at
which point at least the java bits of kdebindings can be accepted into
main (currently they would have to be in contrib as they need non-free
java compilers).

David

Re: kdebindings

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 08 July 2003 18:14, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> kdebindings is orphaned (owned by the QA group).  It needs some tender
> loving care, including being recompiled with gcc-3.3.  Would a maintainer
> care to step up?
>
> (You never know, I might take it on.  And you don't want that.)
>
> --
> "It's not Hollywood.  War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or
> victory, it is about death.  I've seen thousands and thousands of dead
> bodies. Do you think I want to have an academic debate on this subject?" --
> Robert Fisk

I would be happy to work on getting it to compile with gcc, but I am not
a maintainer, and I am about to go on holiday for a few weeks.  So if 
you have not found anyone to take it on by the begining of August, 
and you can do the maintainer bit, I would take on the gcc bit. 

David

An oddity in KDE2 to KDE3 upgrade

[David Goodenough]

I have recently upgraded a number of machines from Debian testing (running
KDE 2.2) to unstable (running 3.1.2).  On all of them I have notices one minor
glitch.  It may be because of something odd in my configuration so I am 
reluctant to open a bug as getting detail on it is difficult as it only 
happens the once when upgrading.

I normally have my KPanel to the right of the screen, and after these 
upgrades the taskbar disappears.  The only way to get it back is to 
go into KPanel configuration and put it back on the right.  Then it 
works just fine and all the other settings are retained correctly.  I 
have not noticed this on users who left KPanel at the bottom.

Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?

Regards

David

KNode fetch new messages function

[David Goodenough]

In KNode you can ask that all list in this account be refreshed, but not that
all accounts be refreshed.  Also there is no Go to next account menu item.
Are there good reasons for this or are they just ommisions.

David

Re: Bug#192490: libkdexparts1: uninstallable

[David Goodenough]

On Friday 30 May 2003 19:52, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Am Freitag, 30. Mai 2003 12:16 schrieb David Goodenough:
> > If someone has a working source deb for the Sun compiler and run time
>
> Try
> http://ma2geo.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de/public-debian
>
> for Blackdown Java 1.4.1_01.
>
> HS

Those are binaries of Blackdown Java, which is not what I meant.

I need a debian source package of kdebindings build WITH the Blackdown
or Sun Java, which I will then update to build with GCJ.

David

Re: Bug#192490: libkdexparts1: uninstallable

[David Goodenough]

On Friday 30 May 2003 08:15, Chris Cheney wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 08:51:46PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:02:52AM -0700, Ryan Murray wrote:
> > > Package: libkdexparts1
> > > Version: 2.2.2-4
> > > Severity: grave
> > >
> > > libkdexparts1 is uninstallable because it still depends on kdelibs3
> > > and libfam0.  It needs to be rebuilt against kdelibs4 and libfam0c102
> > > with gcc 3.2, which probably also requires a new upstream version.
> >
> > Is anyone working on a kdebindings package for KDE 3?
>
> Hmm, I thought Ralf was doing it but I just realized he isn't an official
> DD so I will probably do an upload of it once I verify I can get it to
> compile.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris

There is one further thing that needs to be considered.  Until gcc 3.2 came
along building the Java bits with gcj was not an option.  Now we have gcc 
3.3 it is a real option, but it will require some work to convert from using 
the Sun compiler and run time (which of course are non-free and 
non-open-source) to using gcj.  

If someone has a working source deb for the Sun compiler and run time I am 
happy to give it a go to convert the Java bits to gcj.  I talked to Ralf about
this before 3.1 made it into unstable, but then he could not even get the Sun
version from upstream to build properly.

David

Re: Clarification on just what the kde metapackages are (was: kdeprint depends on efax)

[David Goodenough]

On Monday 26 May 2003 10:48, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> On Friday 23 May 2003 11:22, David Goodenough wrote:
> > As an aside it is a shame that Debian does not have the concept of a
> > removal meta-package. [...]
> >
> > The alternative would be an option on apt-get remove which said to go
> > down the tree and remove everything that this depends on that nothing
> > else depends on (and is not essential).  But that could do too deep down
> > the tree.
>
> apt-get remove xxx, followed by 'orphaner -a' has always taken care of this
> problem for me.
>
> -- vbi

Well now that I look at orphaner (and deborphaner come to that) it would
indeed seem to do what I need.  Maybe I had not asked the right question 
before, but I had not come across this package.

It is a shame that this is not directly part of apt-get.

Thanks 

David

Re: Clarification on just what the kde metapackages are (was: kdeprint depends on efax)

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 22 May 2003 23:59, James Michael Greenhalgh wrote:
> On May 22, 2003 05:49 pm, Anders Ellenshxj Andersen wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 May 2003 23:20, Chris Cheney wrote:
> > > You don't even have to install kdeprint at all then... so why are you?
> >
> > Ahh yes. kdebase depends on kdeprint. I guess I can just uninstall the
> > lot..
> >
> > :)
>
> I've seen this issue raised all the time and thought it may be time to
> point out just what the kde metapackages do
>
> - kdebase is a metapackage that depends on various other packages
> - installing kdebase will get all packages that it depends on
> - removing kdebase or a package that kdebase depends on will only remove
> the metapackage kdebase, it *will not remove all packages* kdebase depends
> on. For example in your case it would be, "Well now that we have removed
> kdeprint, the kdebase metapackage is no longer complete, so we have to
> remove it"
> - the same goes for any metapackage...if you get kdenetwork and don't want
> ksirc, if you remove ksirc, it will remove kdenetwork but it will not
> remove all the other depends for kdenetwork

As an aside it is a shame that Debian does not have the concept of a removal
meta-package.  So while kdebase installs everything, there is nothing (by
rule, there may be specifics, in this case kdelibs probably) which removes
everything.  I suppose what we need is a -remove package for
every meta package.  It would depend on nothing, but everything that makes
up the meat of the meta-package (in this case all the kde bits that kdebase
depends on) would depend on it.  Then all you would have to do to remove
all the kde bits installed bu kdebase would be to apt-get remove 
kdebase-remove.

The alternative would be an option on apt-get remove which said to go down
the tree and remove everything that this depends on that nothing else 
depends on (and is not essential).  But that could do too deep down the tree.

David

>
> Hoping that clears things up a little,
> James

kmail has stopped deleting old files

[David Goodenough]

I set up a filter which deleted files older than 30 days, and I used to be
able to go to a folder, press K to select them all, and then press Ctrl-J
in order to run the filters.

Now it has stopped getting rid of the old ones, no errors that I can see,
just leaves the folder as before.

This is Kmail that came with 2.2 (the one that is currently in testing).

Thanks for any thoughts

David

Problem with LinuxToday and Konqueror

[David Goodenough]

Over the last couple of days I have suddenly started having Konquror segfault
on me when I go into the summary page for a story on LinuxToday.  I can
bring up the initial page with the list of all the stories, but as when I 
click on the story it starts to display the summary but then it crashes
so horribly that it can not even display a backtrace.

I have this both on a testing machine, and on my unstable machine, both
of which are fully up to date.

On one occasion I managed to get a backtrace, and the problem seemed to
be Javascript related.  Turning off Javascript support (on the unstable
machine, I have not tried the testing machine) does indeed stop the 
problem.

Any ideas as to how to debug Konqueror when the backtrace fails?

David

Re: GCC 3.2 migration

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 03 December 2002 15:22, Chris Cheney wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 11:19:34AM +0100, Noel Koethe wrote:
> > On Son, 20 Okt 2002, Chris Cheney wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > > KDE 3.1 is expected to be released ~ Nov 4, if the transition isn't
> > > very close to happening I will upload it to unstable compiled against
> > > 2.95.
> >
> > AFAIK KDE 3.1 will be released this week.
> >
> > Is the statement still true?
> >
> > thx.
>
> The current status is this:
>
> KDE 3.1 is scheduled to be released by upstream this Thursday (Dec 5)
> afaik. GCC 3.2 still has one bug blocking transition aiui #169497, see:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2002/debian-gcc-200212/msg3.html
>
> I have projects due this week and final exams until Dec 12th. I have
> talked to Martin Loschwitz and if that gcc bug still isn't fixed by Dec
> 13th we will start uploading qt 3.1/kde 3.1 to Debian with gcc 2.95.
> Also, since the packages will be marked new it may take a few weeks for
> them to actually filter into sid.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Cheney

Chris,

What about the "won't compile" bug in kdebindings.  The packages has not
existed in any previous Debian packaging for KDE, and it is getting 
to be a real problem to those of us who want to use the others languages.
I get the impression that the problem is that it should really be several
packages, one for each language.  The main problems at the minute seem
to be with the new bindings, the C# one in particular.  Most of other 
language bindings seem to be OK, can the debian package not simply 
exclude the new bindings that are broken?

As far as I can see this "won't compile" bug is independant of gcc 3.2.

David

Re: KDE3.1 release?

[David Goodenough]

On Sunday 24 November 2002 01:32, Charles de Miramon wrote:
> > Upto last week, the release schedule site was updated regularly as the
> > schedule slipped. This week, however, there has been no update. The last
> > entry still lists Nov 18th as the decision date for the final release.
>
> To my knowledge, RC4 packaged by Dirk Mueller on the 19th is going to be
> the final. Packaging final should happen soon (or has already happen) and
> after that it is one or two weeks for the packagers to create the binaries
> and for Andreas Pour to write the press release.

Does it contain kdebindings?  This seems to be completely missing from all
previous releases.

If not is there a good reason for it to me missing, or is there a problem
with it that needs fixing?

>
> Cheers,
> Charles

The red light under the mic level on KMix

[David Goodenough]

What does the red light under the microphone level on KMix mean?

I tried to run krecord but nothing seemed to be happening, so I 
started kmix and noticed that this light was on.  So I tried the
help, but all I got was help about help, and Ctrl-F1 did not seem
to work either.  The hoverhelp says "Recording", but nothing was 
going to krecord, and the light is still on when krecord and
all other multimedia apps are not running, is this the CIA perhaps?

David

Re: Problems with upgrading a fresh woody installtion to kde3

[David Goodenough]

On Sunday 17 November 2002 13:24, Michael Shuey wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 03:36:45PM -0800, Carl Nelson wrote:
> >  I appreciate your  advice  ...
> > I had not tired: rm -rf ~/.kde*
> > But when I did and restarted the 'Kpersonalizer' window came up blank and
> > hung.
> > After I CTL-ALT-BackSpace'd and logged-in again, the interface is in
> > worse shape than before.
> > A minimal desktop top, desktop menus work, but this time with a
> > completely blank 'kicker' and apps hang in about 20-seconds of mousing
> > around.
>
> That's the exact behavior I got when I tried KDE 3.1rc2 on my dual-head
> machine (Radeon VE).  Everything's just kinda frozen...
>
> When I comment out the "Option Xinerama" line in my XF86Config-4 KDE
> starts just fine.  Of course, then my screens are separate and I can't
> drag windows between them, but at least KDE works right.
>
> If I had to guess I'd say KDE wasn't built with all the Xinerama stuff
> turned on correctly.  Either that or there's a big upstream bug with
> Xinerama.
>
> > When I tar -xzvf kdesettings.tgz the settings, the interface does not go
> > back to where things were before, it remains broken
> > At this point is KDE to messed up to recover?
> > Can apt-get or dpkg help out here to get back to KDE2?
>
> If you're using Debian packages for KDE3.x you probably added a line to
> your /etc/apt/sources.list to bring them in.  If so, just remove that
> line, fire up dselect (yes, dselect - sometimes a package picker is
> nice, no matter how awful it is to use), update, then remove all the
> KDE3 packages (which should now be listed as "Obsolete/local packages".
> Then install KDE2 or gnome.  That's worked for me in the past.
Removing kdelibs (the revelant version for the KDE you wish to remove)
is the quickest way to remove all the KDE packages, as everything depends
on it.
>
> If you can remove all the KDE3 packages you won't need to reformat and
> reinstall.

Re: Which packages has koala.jar and qtjava.jar

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 06 November 2002 20:37, David Goodenough wrote:
> Which Debian packages have these two JAR files in them.  The Debian
> package web page says it can not find them, and having installed
> 3.0.4 from the download.us.kde.org site recently I can not find
> them on my system.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> David

Well the only answer I got to this was to be pointed at a package
that does not seem to exist in either the Debian repository for
KDE 2 or the various repositories for the bits of KDE 3.  Does
this mean that somehow it never got released, or that it is 
genuinely missing?

David

Re: Which packages has koala.jar and qtjava.jar

[David Goodenough]

On Wednesday 06 November 2002 21:12, Adam Treat wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 November 2002 03:37 pm, David Goodenough wrote:
> > Which Debian packages have these two JAR files in them.  The Debian
> > package web page says it can not find them, and having installed
> > 3.0.4 from the download.us.kde.org site recently I can not find
> > them on my system.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > David
>
> Uh, that'd be in kdebindings.

Thats odd, because the Debian package web page does not recognise
that package.  Is it new with 3.0?

David

Which packages has koala.jar and qtjava.jar

[David Goodenough]

Which Debian packages have these two JAR files in them.  The Debian
package web page says it can not find them, and having installed
3.0.4 from the download.us.kde.org site recently I can not find
them on my system.

Thanks in advance

David