Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:17:19PM +1100, Ben Burton wrote: > I'd absolutely advise using all of the sid KDE packages, even if you're on a > woody system - this is just based on watching bug reports come in from people > using straight woody or using some woody KDE packages with some sid KDE > packages. But then again, I'm not sure how many other sid packages will be > dragged in by asking for sid's KDE. This advice should also be taken with a > grain of salt because I haven't tested woody at all myself. Does someone know from experience how well this would work? The most straightforward way to accomplish it? Or is it so messy that the sane thing to do - for someone who wants a rock-stable OS but at the same time wants to play with bleeding edge applications - is forget the package approach and compile? Whit
Re: kde.tdyc.com -- What happened?
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 09:40:15PM -0500, Robert Tilley wrote: > A few days ago it seemed that kde.tdyc.com fell off the internet. My > sources.list had to be changed to mirrors. It's still off. Are the mirrors picking up anything new, or might we as well wait for tdyc to come back up? Whit
Re: And uglier
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:12:19AM -0300, Rogerio Brito wrote: > I had this happen to me in a distant past. Perhaps my solution > also applies to your case? It was to just reinstall > xfonts-base (apt-get --reinstall install xfonts-base). > > Cross your fingers. > > > Hope this helps, Roger... Thanks, that might have done it, but meanwhile I was pissed enough to reinstall with Progeny, which does a perfect job setting up X without even asking about hardware - but unfortunately it comes up in Gnome and they only have KDE 2.0. Nothing against Gnome, just not what I'm after. So the next experiment is whether the unofficial Potato KDE 2.1.1 will install on Progeny nicely Am I having fun yet?? Whit
And uglier
Since Potato wasn't happy on the target system, what the hey, went to upgrade it to Woody and xfree4. Make the change in sources, run apt-get, only gets half-way there, run dselect, not much better, run dselect and get fvwm, suddenly it decides it's really going to upgrade a bunch of stuff. It was after that I added xfree4, which seems to go okay, but now there's not even startx on the system. Okay, found and installed the package with startx, now it chokes because it can't find the 'fixed' font. And anXious just exits quickly ... eh, where are the alternatives to get X actually configured here? I like Debian based on other experiences, but this should not be such a bear, just getting a working install on a reasonably standard system that took Mandrake just fine a year ago (despite which I've no fondness for Mandrake - it was just a way to test and learn what was wrong with it). Can someone recommend a clear route to get Woody up with xfree4 and kde2? I can't waste another day on this, but would be happy to wipe and spend another couple of hours on it if I thought that would result in the system being up and clean. Thanks, Whit
It's getting even uglier
Okay, so I try to install kde2 onto Potato by dselect, select everything to do with kde, it appears to install (except for some reason libssh096 is currently not available on non-us), but startx kde2 does not do more than start an X screen with a single terminal in the corner and some unstable cursor control. If someone can suggest how to overcome this, it would save me from the wrath of my girlfriend, whose system is disabled because of this (she wanted Konqueror). The last couple of Potato-KDE2 installs I did went so damn smoothly Whit
potato kde2 install dependency: libkmid
A problem today - wasn't a problem last week. Not a file available as a standard potato file. Also, since it's for midi, and some of us not only don't have midi support but have a visceral hatred of midi ... what the heck is kde doing demanding it? Never mind, but if install task-kde is going to work again on potato this library needs to be provided in potato-usable form. Whit PS: This is seriously foobared. Pardon my French, but the unstable version of that midi library does _not_ install on Potato.
Re: stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:23:09AM +0100, Achim Bohnet wrote: > Method two: > > apt-get install kdm > select 'kde2' instead of 'default' in the login window Okay, the way to stop the auto startup that produced is to remove S99kde from /etc/rc.2 through rc.5. Then there's the question of which of the kde steps has broken XF86Setup's ability to make changes. Running XF86Setup goes okay until it's time for it to start X to check the new settings, when it produces: _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 and fails, losing the changes. Since the last time I tried it was before any of the kde install, I'm not at all sure what broke it. Would be nice to get it working again. Does kde break it for others? What should restore it? Whit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:38:26PM -0600, matthschulz wrote: > Just say: > > startx kde2 And we have a winner! Thanks, guy. Whit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:03:48PM +, John Gay wrote: > If you don't want your system to boot directly into X, I'm not sure what > command you can run to get kdm, but once that is up, you can then select > kde2 when you login and off you go. Thanks for the details on kdm. Indeed what I'm trying to do is set it so that startx or whatever works from a shell - I don't as a rule want to boot into a GUI. Ah well. Someone must know. > As for why Debian, apt-get install xxx is enough reason for me. I've never > had any luck using .rpm's. And the new task packages make it that much > easier. Unfortunately, the configuration can be more difficult to get your > head around for non-UNIX types, but once you get used to it, it is much > more powerful and stable than anything I've ever tried. Well, I'm a Unix type trying to get the hang of Debian. Always humbling to become a beginner again. I'm more used to Red Hat, Slackware and Mandrake, with some Solaris experience. I agree the apt-get stuff is a real advance. What's surprising me is how sparse the Debian documentation is. Maybe once a bit further in it will make such obvious sense that less documentation will be needed? Whit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:59:47AM -0700, David Bishop wrote: > > If you install kdm, but haven't rebooted, you need to run /etc/init.d/kdm > start as root. You will then see the login window he was referring to. > Otherwise, just reboot the machine. Yeah, I just discovered that on the next boot. Please tell me how to undo it! I don't want the system to come up in a GUI - guess I should have been clear that what I'm trying to do is get startx or the equivalent to work from a bash tty. I often don't work in a GUI, and don't want to waste time going in to one just to go back out. I'm also curious why the reinstall of kdm set it this way, when the initial one didn't - guess that script modified the install enough to keep this often-undesirable result from happening? Thanks again, Whit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:23:09AM +0100, Achim Bohnet wrote: > Method two: > > apt-get install kdm > select 'kde2' instead of 'default' in the login window The first step is redundant - but did it anyhow - no change. The second - well, where is that 'login window'? Thanks, Whit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 01:32:30AM -0500, James Smith wrote: > try this: > cd /etc/alternatives > ln -s /usr/bin/startkde x-window-manager > Then startx. You might have to rm the old x-window-manager first Thanks for the advice. But it doesn't do the trick. I still just get a konsole session in the midst of a grey screen. The thing to keep in mind is that this is a virgin install, potato basics plus just enough XFree to get it going plus the automated kde2.1 install - there has never been a window manager installed (and there was no old x-window-manager file sitting there). Probably most folks come to kde2.1 on potato having already been running some older window manager, and the tweaks being suggested are I'm sure enough to get it to replace that. But I see a lot of people getting frustrated elsewhere on what a bitch it is to put kde2.1 even on a virgin RH 7.0 box, and it would be great if we could tell them '_this_ is the reason to go Debian.' There'd only have to be about 4 steps in a HOWTO for fresh Debian/kde2.1 installation, and unless the auto install sequence is updated to handle this particular one automatically (or did I miss a "Would you like kde as your default window manager?" query?), this would be one of the steps to spell out. Looking forward to learning what it is, Whit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:23:09AM +0100, Achim Bohnet wrote: > Method one: > > echo kde2 > ~/.wmrc # once > startx Thanks for the advice. However, startx still brings up just a grey screen with konsole in the middle ;> Now to the next method ... Whit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
stupid, but I have to ask it - how to start it up once installed
Okay, by going to archives for this list I found the clues on how to run the automated kde install on a fresh potato with no desktop manager set up yet. Really impressed by how smoothly that ran compared to trying to use rpms on Red Hat. (Suggestion: put a short mention of how to invoke the installation in the debian.kde.net Webpages?) Yeah, so then I do a startx and I've got a kde terminal on my otherwise grey screen rather than the default rxvt or whatever it was after getting XFree up. Umm, what's the totally obvious thing to do (if I'd ever set up Debian before) to have the system bring up the full kde screen? (Suggestion: put a short mention of this on the Webpages too and you'll about have the newbie angle covered - providing the newbie has gotten past similar bits of mystery in the initial potato install.) \/\/ I-I I T Blauvelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
