Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 03 April 2002 5:09 pm, Daniel Rees wrote: > Also the developers suggest "--enable-fast-malloc=full" for kdelibs. Hrm, well I use that switch when I compile all modules. I don't know if it's required or not, but it can't do any harm. - -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8qxu6F8Iu1zN5WiwRAtufAJ4jkRNb62EKoypuhYL78DDrG6D7nACdGSzA 3DbexK49l2LHXo9UJAG7yzk= =EStS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 4:02 pm, Daniel Rees wrote: > On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 2:52 pm, David Bishop wrote: > > As for the speed difference, are you using self-compiled bins, or > > pre-release .debs? I ask, because (supposedly) compiling things yourself > > causes a speedup, and that's what I did :-) > > I'm using CVS HEAD (3.0.5). It's not slow, but when I'm doing CPU intensive > tasks like compiling or ripping CDs, it seems to slow down a lot more than > KDE 2.2. I guess it's the debug code or something? Might be my imagination > though... :) Just been on to #kde-users and been pointed to: http://www.userlocal.com/articles/kde222/kde222fromsource.htm ...for some nice compile optimisations if anyone is interested. Also the developers suggest "--enable-fast-malloc=full" for kdelibs. -- Daniel Rees e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 2:52 pm, David Bishop wrote: > As for the speed difference, are you using self-compiled bins, or > pre-release .debs? I ask, because (supposedly) compiling things yourself > causes a speedup, and that's what I did :-) I'm using CVS HEAD (3.0.5). It's not slow, but when I'm doing CPU intensive tasks like compiling or ripping CDs, it seems to slow down a lot more than KDE 2.2. I guess it's the debug code or something? Might be my imagination though... :) -- Daniel Rees e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I'm not sure that in general there are really enough improvements to > actually be worthy of a change in major release number (from 2.x to 3.x) > because it feels more like a 2.3 release than a 3.0. The KDE 2.2 debs > (Woody anyway) were just as fast in my experience. Unless there is anything > you desperately need in KDE 3, I wouldn't rush madly to upgrade until the > debs are made. Well, the reason they went to 3.0 is because of the binary-incompatability changes. The whole point of 3 what to switch to qt3 and cleanup any cruft left-over from their first attempts at the dcop/kpart solution. So, there wasn't supposed to be *major* changes, just ones that can't be made between, say, 2.1.1 and 2.2. As for the speed difference, are you using self-compiled bins, or pre-release .debs? I ask, because (supposedly) compiling things yourself causes a speedup, and that's what I did :-) - -- D.A.Bishop -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8qxcwEHLN/FXAbC0RArOmAJ42rdZL8VWRFYfNKy1AaFhs7MveyACdH3ur 2C80RGgeLqw6yLxd8GOTR0c= =Wwc1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
On Tuesday 02 Apr 2002 10:38 pm, David Bishop wrote: > A very *big*, incremental upgrade :-) KMail's imap is much > cleaner/faster/stronger. gpg is much improved, with color-bars, > point/click key selection (no copy/pasting!), server-side pop filters (so > you don't have to even download large emails), etc. Konq's javascript > rocks the house (see recent /. article :-). DHTML rendering seems much > improved, along with normal stuff. It's also tons faster (both to startup > and browse). Konsole has some nifty enhancments (you can now rearrange the > tabs, more/better options for colors, double-clicking for select). > arts/noatun works on my soundcard with no patches (didn't before), and > seems to be a lot more stable. > > Basically, it's very cool, with only a couple regressions (I know there are > some, I just can't think of them right now :-), and very much worth the > wait. Oh, KPilot still sucks B) But I'm working on that... (actually, you > interrupted me w/this mail. I'm almost done with xml-exporting :-). Agreed, the new Javascript is a great improvement, and I can actually use it on a day-to-day basis rather than the somewhat bloated Mozilla. My webmail account at my domain host previously didn't work in Konq 2.2, but it works great now. :) I'm not sure that in general there are really enough improvements to actually be worthy of a change in major release number (from 2.x to 3.x) because it feels more like a 2.3 release than a 3.0. The KDE 2.2 debs (Woody anyway) were just as fast in my experience. Unless there is anything you desperately need in KDE 3, I wouldn't rush madly to upgrade until the debs are made. Just my opinion anyway. :) -- Daniel Rees e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A very *big*, incremental upgrade :-) KMail's imap is much cleaner/faster/stronger. gpg is much improved, with color-bars, point/click key selection (no copy/pasting!), server-side pop filters (so you don't have to even download large emails), etc. Konq's javascript rocks the house (see recent /. article :-). DHTML rendering seems much improved, along with normal stuff. It's also tons faster (both to startup and browse). Konsole has some nifty enhancments (you can now rearrange the tabs, more/better options for colors, double-clicking for select). arts/noatun works on my soundcard with no patches (didn't before), and seems to be a lot more stable. Basically, it's very cool, with only a couple regressions (I know there are some, I just can't think of them right now :-), and very much worth the wait. Oh, KPilot still sucks B) But I'm working on that... (actually, you interrupted me w/this mail. I'm almost done with xml-exporting :-). HTH and HAND! D.A.Bishop On Tuesday 02 April 2002 3:38 pm, you wrote: > Hey David, > > So, how is kde3, since you've been playing w/ it? Is it > a big improvement, or just an incremental upgrade? > > Cheers, > Sheldon. > > On April 1, 2002 02:31 pm, David Bishop wrote: > > On Monday 01 April 2002 1:25 pm, Daniel Rees wrote: > > > On Monday 01 Apr 2002 7:09 pm, David Bishop wrote: > > > > Having said that, I compiled kde3 locally following the kde2+3 > > > > tutorial on women.kde.org, and am enjoying the hell out of it :-) > > > > However, I plan on rm -fR'ing my /usr/local/kde3 as soon as .debs are > > > > available, as apt-get makes my life so much easier. > > > > > > I feel like playing with the CVS until the .debs are available - how > > > are people compiling from CVS? Using dpkg-buildpackage, or ./configure; > > > make; make install? > > > > I literally followed step for step the women.kde.org tutorial. In > > effect, the ./configure && make && make install, partitioned off into > > /usr/local/kde3 for easy removal later. - -- D.A.Bishop -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8qjMAEHLN/FXAbC0RAoyqAKCU9Or9Ofp6rSCrlm6s2x3d4SIJFgCfTcSZ LpGUV6Y2isGvWpVd36qD0LM= =ipRH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
On Thu 01 Jan 1970 00:59, wrote > > I think with pay-per-minute Internet access, building from source would > > be cheaper than fetching .deb's from the 'net. But, should I use debian > > tools to build .deb's, or jsut build and install the packages to, say, > > /usr/local/* to prevent corrupting my installation? > > I think the difference in size is a wash. If you are careful about what > you apt-get (most people don't need even 1/3rd of the "full" kde install), > you should be able to get by using the Debian Way. > Except I've got most of the sources on a DVD, so I don't need to down-load them. Fetching via apt-get takes time. > Having said that, I compiled kde3 locally following the kde2+3 tutorial on > women.kde.org, and am enjoying the hell out of it :-) Thanks for the tip. I'm checking now, but it's very slow ATM from my side. > However, I plan on > rm - -fR'ing my /usr/local/kde3 as soon as .debs are available, as apt-get > makes my life so much easier. For instance, rather than hacking around to > get kdm working with kd3, I reverted to startx. Several kde2 programs just > stopped working, until I munged around with my ld.so.config, and some still > don't work (browsing documentation in kdevelop2.0 krashes instantly, I > think it's trying to embed the khtml part from kde3). Hopefully these > types of issues will be cleared up by our faithful debian devs, so that you > can happily run kde2 & 3 apps side-by-side. > > To sum up: it you plan on maintaining your machine through debian via > apt-*, wait. If you simply want the bleeding-edge, compile from cvs and > write a script to upgrade you every couple days. I'm not confident enough to stay on the bleeding edge, but Debian get rather 'blunt' as it approaches freeze. Also, I'm finding more and more things I need more up-to-date than Debian provides. If it weren't for the cost of my bandwidth, I'd love to play with SGL, but I'm finding the limitations of Debian-verified software getting old. I've allready installed Accelereated-X for my video card, after I fould that compiling and installing XFree86 4.2.0 still didn't give me the 3D acceleration I wanted. > If you are very worried about > bandwidth, wait for a couple weeks *after* the intial kde3 packages come > out, then install them, as us early-adopters will have found most of the > bugs by then, so the "release a whole new kde system every couple > days"-cycle that occurs everytime something like this goes down will have > calmed down to reasonableness, and you can skip all of it (go to the head > of the class!). > Thats the way I usually go, but I'm getting very itchy, and my current KDE2 and a half is rather buggy, but for some reason, full KDE2.2 just won't work on my system? I'll probably change back after te freeze and the DKE3 stuff has calmed down a bit. Thanks the the info! > HTH and HAND! > > - -- > D.A.Bishop > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8qLCGEHLN/FXAbC0RAvluAJ9ghFoldVQaWOSpk/oXqJrUdi/k0ACfVMz6 > jDpfbVFZw+Bom/w8Vw2Bz9c= > =GZRQ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 01 April 2002 1:25 pm, Daniel Rees wrote: > On Monday 01 Apr 2002 7:09 pm, David Bishop wrote: > > Having said that, I compiled kde3 locally following the kde2+3 tutorial > > on women.kde.org, and am enjoying the hell out of it :-) However, I plan > > on rm -fR'ing my /usr/local/kde3 as soon as .debs are available, as > > apt-get makes my life so much easier. > > I feel like playing with the CVS until the .debs are available - how are > people compiling from CVS? Using dpkg-buildpackage, or ./configure; make; > make install? I literally followed step for step the women.kde.org tutorial. In effect, the ./configure && make && make install, partitioned off into /usr/local/kde3 for easy removal later. - -- D.A.Bishop -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8qLWHEHLN/FXAbC0RAsDKAJ9dsHSJbkSVkuFEJzrrR/Lqu8l0bgCgvmOb 3msuVHQyOqCg75mnPtOLKXw= =2LJl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
On Monday 01 Apr 2002 7:09 pm, David Bishop wrote: > Having said that, I compiled kde3 locally following the kde2+3 tutorial on > women.kde.org, and am enjoying the hell out of it :-) However, I plan on > rm -fR'ing my /usr/local/kde3 as soon as .debs are available, as apt-get > makes my life so much easier. I feel like playing with the CVS until the .debs are available - how are people compiling from CVS? Using dpkg-buildpackage, or ./configure; make; make install? -- Daniel Rees e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I think with pay-per-minute Internet access, building from source would be > cheaper than fetching .deb's from the 'net. But, should I use debian tools > to build .deb's, or jsut build and install the packages to, say, > /usr/local/* to prevent corrupting my installation? I think the difference in size is a wash. If you are careful about what you apt-get (most people don't need even 1/3rd of the "full" kde install), you should be able to get by using the Debian Way. Having said that, I compiled kde3 locally following the kde2+3 tutorial on women.kde.org, and am enjoying the hell out of it :-) However, I plan on rm - -fR'ing my /usr/local/kde3 as soon as .debs are available, as apt-get makes my life so much easier. For instance, rather than hacking around to get kdm working with kd3, I reverted to startx. Several kde2 programs just stopped working, until I munged around with my ld.so.config, and some still don't work (browsing documentation in kdevelop2.0 krashes instantly, I think it's trying to embed the khtml part from kde3). Hopefully these types of issues will be cleared up by our faithful debian devs, so that you can happily run kde2 & 3 apps side-by-side. To sum up: it you plan on maintaining your machine through debian via apt-*, wait. If you simply want the bleeding-edge, compile from cvs and write a script to upgrade you every couple days. If you are very worried about bandwidth, wait for a couple weeks *after* the intial kde3 packages come out, then install them, as us early-adopters will have found most of the bugs by then, so the "release a whole new kde system every couple days"-cycle that occurs everytime something like this goes down will have calmed down to reasonableness, and you can skip all of it (go to the head of the class!). HTH and HAND! - -- D.A.Bishop -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8qLCGEHLN/FXAbC0RAvluAJ9ghFoldVQaWOSpk/oXqJrUdi/k0ACfVMz6 jDpfbVFZw+Bom/w8Vw2Bz9c= =GZRQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
On Sat 30 Mar 2002 03:00, Chris Cheney wrote: > > KDE 3.0 final has been tagged and I am working on finishing up the debs > for it currently. It will probably take a few more days. > > Chris > So, should I wait a few more days, or can I try building it from sources I have a Linux Format DVD? These sources also include the qt-rsync? which seems to be a complete qt installation? I enjoy KDE2 but am itching to play with KDE3. One problem I do have with my sources is the kde-i18n-3 seems to be corrupt on my DVD. Do I need this, or is it just for languages other than english? As for building, what is the best way to build this so it does not conflict with my existing QT/KDE2 installation? I like the peace the .deb's provide me, but I find that Debian gets so out-of-date upto the freeze. I've allready built and installed X4.2.0 from sources, and then added Accelerated-X for proper 3D support for my 3DLabs GVX1 board. I think with pay-per-minute Internet access, building from source would be cheaper than fetching .deb's from the 'net. But, should I use debian tools to build .deb's, or jsut build and install the packages to, say, /usr/local/* to prevent corrupting my installation? Thanks for all the help and keep up the great work! Cheers, John Gay -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 01:13:59PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Chris Cheney] > > KDE 3.0 final has been tagged and I am working on finishing up the debs > > for it currently. It will probably take a few more days. > > Do you plan to include KDE 3.0 in Woody instead of KDE 2.2.2? No. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
[Chris Cheney] > KDE 3.0 final has been tagged and I am working on finishing up the debs > for it currently. It will probably take a few more days. Do you plan to include KDE 3.0 in Woody instead of KDE 2.2.2? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
KDE 3.0 final has been tagged and I am working on finishing up the debs for it currently. It will probably take a few more days. Chris On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:16:06PM -0500, Robert Tilley wrote: > I have read reviews from people who already have KDE 3rc3 on their machines. > My question is: Do .debs exist for those debian-users who want to try it out > for themselves? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE 3.0rc3 Debs???
I have read reviews from people who already have KDE 3rc3 on their machines. My question is: Do .debs exist for those debian-users who want to try it out for themselves? -- Comments and information are appreciated. Robert Tilley, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
