Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
Zitat von Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you're feeling really ambitious, manpages would also be very welcome for packages currently lacking. Do you know upstreams opinion on manpages? Last time I offered upstream (kdepim to be exact) to write manpages, they (Schumacher) asked me to wait, since they somehow wanted to autogenerate them. Do you know if there has been any resolution reached or decision made? *t - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
Hello, I know of a Perl script, kdemangen.pl. I don't know if it has anything to do with this, though. Lawrence Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:11:02 +0100 Zitat von Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you're feeling really ambitious, manpages would also be very welcome for packages currently lacking. Do you know upstreams opinion on manpages? Last time I offered upstream (kdepim to be exact) to write manpages, they (Schumacher) asked me to wait, since they somehow wanted to autogenerate them. Do you know if there has been any resolution reached or decision made? *t - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 22:12, Adeodato Simó wrote: Hello all, [Sorry for the crossposting, please follow-up to debian-kde only.] KDE 3.3.2 in experimental = As you may have noticed, many KDE 3.3.2 modules have been uploaded to experimental during the last few days. These packages include numerous fixes to old and recent bugs, plus the new upstream codebase, so we encourage you to test them and give us some feedback. I've just upgraded to 3.3.2, and after initial testing of all my 'regular' applications I've not found any problems sofar. Kudos to the packaging teams! Jan
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
OTH, 3.3 is in a much better state than 3.2, especially due to fixed upstream's bugs. Unfortunately they introduced new bugs :-( Its pretty annoying that e.g. kmail with IMAP is not usuable for me since kde-3.3 (using sid). As I know that a least one member in our group is extensivly using IMAP+kmail, I really don't know what to do if this isn't fixed when Sarge will be released. And shame on me, I didn't report this bug sofar! I saw several IMAP related bug reports and always hoped it will go away itself. Its also difficult to describe and screenshots don't work there. Hope I have time this evening to make screenshots with my Digicam. Cheers, Bernd
Re: KMail+IMAP problem (Was: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental)
On Thursday 23 December 2004 13:16, Bernd Schubert wrote: OTH, 3.3 is in a much better state than 3.2, especially due to fixed upstream's bugs. Unfortunately they introduced new bugs :-( Its pretty annoying that e.g. kmail with IMAP is not usuable for me since kde-3.3 (using sid). As I know that a least one member in our group is extensivly using IMAP+kmail, I really don't know what to do if this isn't fixed when Sarge will be released. What problem are you having? Do you have kdepim-kio-plugins installed? IMAP won't work without it. Anders
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
On Thursday 23 December 2004 4:16 am, Bernd Schubert wrote: OTH, 3.3 is in a much better state than 3.2, especially due to fixed upstream's bugs. Unfortunately they introduced new bugs :-( Its pretty annoying that e.g. kmail with IMAP is not usuable for me since kde-3.3 (using sid). As I know that a least one member in our group is extensivly using IMAP+kmail, I really don't know what to do if this isn't fixed when Sarge will be released. You've piqued my interest here... what kind of bugs? I'm relatively new to kmail, but I use it at work and at home extensively. So now I'm wondering just what could bite me that I might not know about yet. And shame on me, I didn't report this bug sofar! I saw several IMAP related bug reports and always hoped it will go away itself. Its also difficult to describe and screenshots don't work there. Hope I have time this evening to make screenshots with my Digicam. Taking pictures of your monitor won't turn out the way you want it to. I know the GIMP has a screenshot function, and no doubt there's others that will do it, too... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgpYkMTN3uo8f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
Paul Johnson wrote: On Thursday 23 December 2004 4:16 am, Bernd Schubert wrote: OTH, 3.3 is in a much better state than 3.2, especially due to fixed upstream's bugs. Unfortunately they introduced new bugs :-( Its pretty annoying that e.g. kmail with IMAP is not usuable for me since kde-3.3 (using sid). As I know that a least one member in our group is extensivly using IMAP+kmail, I really don't know what to do if this isn't fixed when Sarge will be released. You've piqued my interest here... what kind of bugs? I'm relatively new to kmail, but I use it at work and at home extensively. So now I'm wondering just what could bite me that I might not know about yet. Already had taken the screenshots and wanted to report, but then with the help of the bugwizard it turned out that this was already reported: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85013 And shame on me, I didn't report this bug sofar! I saw several IMAP related bug reports and always hoped it will go away itself. Its also difficult to describe and screenshots don't work there. Hope I have time this evening to make screenshots with my Digicam. Taking pictures of your monitor won't turn out the way you want it to. I know the GIMP has a screenshot function, and no doubt there's others that will do it, too... This bug is a bit odd, every time I took a screenshot, it showed the correct subject. Just afterwards, it changes back to the wrong subjects :( Well, at least on could read the subjects from the taken screenshot. Cheers, Bernd
Re: KMail+IMAP problem (Was: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental)
Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: On Thursday 23 December 2004 13:16, Bernd Schubert wrote: OTH, 3.3 is in a much better state than 3.2, especially due to fixed upstream's bugs. Unfortunately they introduced new bugs :-( Its pretty annoying that e.g. kmail with IMAP is not usuable for me since kde-3.3 (using sid). As I know that a least one member in our group is extensivly using IMAP+kmail, I really don't know what to do if this isn't fixed when Sarge will be released. What problem are you having? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85013 As I also just added to the bugreport, its interesting that the bugreporter already saw this with kde-3.2, whereas I really first saw this with 3.3. Do you have kdepim-kio-plugins installed? IMAP won't work without it. IMAP is working, but usually the wrong subjects are shows in the message list. For me its not that important as I usually work with pop3, but for someone who has folders with several hundreds of mails it makes kmail useless. Cheers, Bernd
KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
Hello all, [Sorry for the crossposting, please follow-up to debian-kde only.] KDE 3.3.2 in experimental = As you may have noticed, many KDE 3.3.2 modules have been uploaded to experimental during the last few days. These packages include numerous fixes to old and recent bugs, plus the new upstream codebase, so we encourage you to test them and give us some feedback. Anyway, remember that they are in the experimental distribution, which means they may have serious new problems. If you find a bug, please do report it, but be sure to tag the report as pertaining to the experimental packages. Also, take into account that this coming week is the Holiday Season, so response times may be poor. As upgrading to experimental may be cumbersone, we've set up an alternate repository in Alioth. Just add this to your sources.list file: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.3.2 ./ Those are the very same packages as the ones in experimental (*), but here a simple apt-get update apt-get upgrade will work. However, as Alioth is a little overloaded these days, we kindly ask that you install from your usual mirror if you can. (*) Except for kde-i18n, which is not in experimental, and was fetched from http://people.debian.org/~noel/kde-i18n. kdepim, while has been uploaded to the archive, is not in the mirrors yet since it needs NEW processing; packages were fetched from this temporary archive: http://people.debian.org/~schepler/kdepim. Why experimental instead of unstable These 3.3.2 packages have been uploaded to experimental, rather than unstable for various reasons: - First and most importantly, so as not to interfere with the KDE 3.3.1 transition to Sarge, which is pending. See below for details. Using unstable would have thrown away all the effort that has been put in having KDE 3.3.1 ready to enter Sarge. - Also, as a lot of extra changes, apart from upgrading to 3.3.2, have been included, the possibility that these packages contain new bugs is high. We've been using them for a week now, and seem to work fine, but one never can tell... - Lastly, the two people behind many of the changes are not Debian Developers and have had (until now) little experience preparing full releases of core KDE packages, further increasing the possibility of breakage. THE TRANSITION TO SARGE === Other than the latest release update [1], there has been no official statement by any of the KDE people about the issue. So here goes: Yes, Sarge is expected to ship with KDE 3.3. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg6.html Some weeks ago, the Release Managers expressed their concerns about the transition to the members of the KDE Packaging Team, and then a proposal that tried to address them was issued. After some fruitful discussion, it was finally accepted. We sincerely thank the Release Team for their excellent work, their consideration, and their patience. Why the transition hasn't happened yet -- Although KDE is in pretty good shape and mostly ready to enter Sarge, the transition is blocked by another transition involving gcc-3.4, glibc and some other packages. This happens with some frequency in testing (one transition blocking another one, e.g. the libtiff transition not so long ago), and it's just a matter of time until it gets solved. The people involved in the gcc-3.4/glibc issue are working on it at the moment. So, will Sarge have KDE 3.3.1 or 3.3.2 -- That's a question that only time can answer. Although KDE 3.3.2 is certainly (as always) an improvement over 3.3.1, we really just can't upload 3.3.2 to sid until 3.3.1 is in Sarge, since that would mean to risk having the transition not happen at all! So, the plan is: 1. Get KDE 3.3.1 into sarge 2. Upload KDE 3.3.2 to sid *if* the experimental packages have not shown any major bugs *and* all the people involved in KDE packaging agree it's time to do so. After that, and once KDE is in shape again (built on all architectures, no Release Critical bugs, etc.), it will be a decision in the hands of the Release Managers. CALL FOR HELP = We'd also like to take this opportunity to ask for help from users in continuing to improve KDE in Debian. The KDE packages are enormous, and take a great deal of time to maintain properly. One particular task where users could be of great assistance is the writing of proper package descriptions. Few KDE packages have more than a bit of marketing boilerplate at the moment.
KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
Hello all, [Sorry for the crossposting, please follow-up to debian-kde only.] KDE 3.3.2 in experimental = As you may have noticed, many KDE 3.3.2 modules have been uploaded to experimental during the last few days. These packages include numerous fixes to old and recent bugs, plus the new upstream codebase, so we encourage you to test them and give us some feedback. Anyway, remember that they are in the experimental distribution, which means they may have serious new problems. If you find a bug, please do report it, but be sure to tag the report as pertaining to the experimental packages. Also, take into account that this coming week is the Holiday Season, so response times may be poor. As upgrading to experimental may be cumbersone, we've set up an alternate repository in Alioth. Just add this to your sources.list file: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.3.2 ./ Those are the very same packages as the ones in experimental (*), but here a simple apt-get update apt-get upgrade will work. However, as Alioth is a little overloaded these days, we kindly ask that you install from your usual mirror if you can. (*) Except for kde-i18n, which is not in experimental, and was fetched from http://people.debian.org/~noel/kde-i18n. kdepim, while has been uploaded to the archive, is not in the mirrors yet since it needs NEW processing; packages were fetched from this temporary archive: http://people.debian.org/~schepler/kdepim. Why experimental instead of unstable These 3.3.2 packages have been uploaded to experimental, rather than unstable for various reasons: - First and most importantly, so as not to interfere with the KDE 3.3.1 transition to Sarge, which is pending. See below for details. Using unstable would have thrown away all the effort that has been put in having KDE 3.3.1 ready to enter Sarge. - Also, as a lot of extra changes, apart from upgrading to 3.3.2, have been included, the possibility that these packages contain new bugs is high. We've been using them for a week now, and seem to work fine, but one never can tell... - Lastly, the two people behind many of the changes are not Debian Developers and have had (until now) little experience preparing full releases of core KDE packages, further increasing the possibility of breakage. THE TRANSITION TO SARGE === Other than the latest release update [1], there has been no official statement by any of the KDE people about the issue. So here goes: Yes, Sarge is expected to ship with KDE 3.3. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg6.html Some weeks ago, the Release Managers expressed their concerns about the transition to the members of the KDE Packaging Team, and then a proposal that tried to address them was issued. After some fruitful discussion, it was finally accepted. We sincerely thank the Release Team for their excellent work, their consideration, and their patience. Why the transition hasn't happened yet -- Although KDE is in pretty good shape and mostly ready to enter Sarge, the transition is blocked by another transition involving gcc-3.4, glibc and some other packages. This happens with some frequency in testing (one transition blocking another one, e.g. the libtiff transition not so long ago), and it's just a matter of time until it gets solved. The people involved in the gcc-3.4/glibc issue are working on it at the moment. So, will Sarge have KDE 3.3.1 or 3.3.2 -- That's a question that only time can answer. Although KDE 3.3.2 is certainly (as always) an improvement over 3.3.1, we really just can't upload 3.3.2 to sid until 3.3.1 is in Sarge, since that would mean to risk having the transition not happen at all! So, the plan is: 1. Get KDE 3.3.1 into sarge 2. Upload KDE 3.3.2 to sid *if* the experimental packages have not shown any major bugs *and* all the people involved in KDE packaging agree it's time to do so. After that, and once KDE is in shape again (built on all architectures, no Release Critical bugs, etc.), it will be a decision in the hands of the Release Managers. CALL FOR HELP = We'd also like to take this opportunity to ask for help from users in continuing to improve KDE in Debian. The KDE packages are enormous, and take a great deal of time to maintain properly. One particular task where users could be of great assistance is the writing of proper package descriptions. Few KDE packages have more than a bit of marketing boilerplate at the moment.
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
On Wednesday, 22 de December de 2004 22:12, Adeodato Simó wrote: So, the plan is: 1. Get KDE 3.3.1 into sarge 2. Upload KDE 3.3.2 to sid *if* the experimental packages have not shown any major bugs *and* all the people involved in KDE packaging agree it's time to do so. Very nice. Thanks for the excellent work! I'm actually testing the experimental packages. No big issues found yet. -- temp: http://temp.roncero.org Out: 10.56 ºC -- In: 22.12 ºC
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 22:26, Jesús Roncero Franco shaped the electrons to shout: 1. Get KDE 3.3.1 into sarge 2. Upload KDE 3.3.2 to sid *if* the experimental packages have not shown any major bugs *and* all the people involved in KDE packaging agree it's time to do so. Very nice. Thanks for the excellent work! I'm actually testing the experimental packages. No big issues found yet. Yup, thank you very much for your hard word and for having us informed in such a comprenhesive report. Thanks. I was installing KDE from experimental since they started to be uploaded, no Debian bugs found yet. PS: although I found some possible upstream's bugs, for example textarea changing size in wordpress forms, depending on default font size in Konqueror, font size=2 or font size=-1 don't have any effect...). -- ricardo galli GPG id C8114D34 http://mnm.uib.es/~gallir/ Recursivo. (del lat. recursus), adj. Condición de recursivo.
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 22:12, Adeodato Simó wrote: Why the transition hasn't happened yet -- Although KDE is in pretty good shape and mostly ready to enter I don't know how 3.3.2 will turn out, but I simply feel the need to say that for me, the 3.3 series though it has lots of nice new features, also seems to have a number of rather nasty regressions compared to the last version of 3.2. I feel uneasy about having sarge ship with a potentially unstable 3.3 version instead of a proven 3.2. Anders
Re: KDE 3.3.2 packages now available in experimental
On Thursday 23 December 2004 02:16, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen shaped the electrons to shout: On Wednesday 22 December 2004 22:12, Adeodato Simó wrote: Why the transition hasn't happened yet -- Although KDE is in pretty good shape and mostly ready to enter I don't know how 3.3.2 will turn out, but I simply feel the need to say that for me, the 3.3 series though it has lots of nice new features, also seems to have a number of rather nasty regressions compared to the last version of 3.2. I feel uneasy about having sarge ship with a potentially unstable 3.3 version instead of a proven 3.2. As Adeodato explained, 3.3 will pass to Sarge only after this testing period shows there is not important bugs. OTH, 3.3 is in a much better state than 3.2, especially due to fixed upstream's bugs. In fact I still didn't find new glitches in 3.3.2 comparing to 3.3.[01]. I really hope 3.3.2 finds its way into Sarge. -- ricardo galli GPG id C8114D34 http://mnm.uib.es/~gallir/ Recursivo. (del lat. recursus), adj. Condición de recursivo.
