Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
--- Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 09:51:42PM -0600, Chris Cheney wrote: > -snip- > > > 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, > > > and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian beforethis, > > > what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why & how you came to the > > > decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. > > I forgot to mention what I do outside of Debian. I am a Junior in > Computer Science at Sam Houston State University in Huntsville, Texas. > I also work as a Network Specialist at TXU Communications which is a > telecommunications company (ILEC/CLEC/ISP). > > Thanks, > Chris The thanks is owed, and given, from us to you Chris. It is truly generous of you to give so much of your time, given your multiple responsibilities! :) I (& I suspect many others) definitely appreciate your (& all packagers and developers) effort. Make sure you maintain balance in your life - don't get burnt out [er, at least not right away! :) ]. [Better to burn out than to fade away. Hey hey, my my.] Thanks to Chris, and all KDE, Debian & Free SW developers! __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 09:51:42PM -0600, Chris Cheney wrote: -snip- > > 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, > > and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian before this, > > what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why & how you came to the > > decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. I forgot to mention what I do outside of Debian. I am a Junior in Computer Science at Sam Houston State University in Huntsville, Texas. I also work as a Network Specialist at TXU Communications which is a telecommunications company (ILEC/CLEC/ISP). Thanks, Chris
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 03:52:47PM -0800, tluxt wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if this request implies you must recapitulate anything, > but after considering the alternatives, this seemed the better option. > > I know there was a scramble to take on packages & quickly find a solution > to the image/icon problem when Ivan released the packages he was maintaining. > > Now that that issue seems to be largely past, I would > appreciate it if you both would take a moment and answer a few questions, > involving things such as: > > 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, > and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian before this, > what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why & how you came to the > decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. I have been a Debian user since around Aug 1998, and have been a maintainer since July 2000 (I was stuck in the closed NM queue for a while). I currently have 19 source packages, 18 of which are not KDE related. Once I upload the all of the KDE packages I think I will have around 42. I decided to maintain the KDE packages because I use it every day and didn't want to see the packages deteriorate. > 2) What do you see as the time frame for upcomming Debian/KDE milestones? > Such as: > > A) What is the plan/roadmap/future for KDE related things in Debian? > the metapackage (or, what is it called now? Task?) of kde vs of kdebase. My plan is to examine all of KDE 2.2.2, which I am currently doing. Then I will upload a final set of packages so that they can make it into Woody. Then I will start preparing KDE 3 debs and will host them on p.d.o/~ccheney/ until KDE 3 is released or Woody is frozen whichever happens first. > B) What's up w/ KOffice for Debian? Re: Woody or Sid? I don't know anything about KOffice. > C) What's your recommendation regarding: would you advise people who want > to be making productive use of KDE now to run Woody or Sid? Well I thought that fixed KDE 2.2.2 would be in woody by now but it appears that m68k is holding up kdebase for a build deps (seems odd). I will try to get it in as soon as possible though. Sid should be fine if you want to run that. > D) What's up w/ KDE 3? - When, and for whom, should persons trying to make > actual daily use of KDE begin to use KDE3? Can KDE2 & KDE3 be put onto > the same system, and switched between? Is it necessary to do a complete > separate Debian install, (one for KDE2 & one for KDE3) on the harddisk > if one wants to be able to try switch between 2 & 3? KDE 3 is still a bit buggy from what I hear, I haven't actually built debs for it yet since I am still working on the 2.2.2. I would imagine that I will have good working debs by the time it is officially released (hopefully sooner). KDE2 and KDE3 can not be installed at the same time without some work, and I will not be supporting both of them being installed at the same time. I am not going to have both in the archive at the same time since it would take an enormous amount of space, if I remember correctly someone said KDE currently takes approximately 2.5GB of archive space now (between all the archs and woody/sid). > I ask these questions since I'd like to make some judgements about what to > put in the KDE HowTo I'm developing. For instance, I'd like to have good > data to base a decision on regarding: should I suggest, (and write it from > the perspective of) persons run Woody, and if necessary pull packages from > Sid? Or, is & will Sid be basically enough free of substantial problems > that it would be better for most people trying to do productive work with > KDE that they run Sid, in order to have the latest features? currently you probably still need to run Sid, but hopefully this situation will change soon. > (For instance, two areas I'm currently possibly affected by are: > 1) Kghostview - does the Sid version fix a major problem? I hope to address this issue in my next upload. > 2) kde vs kdebase - does Sid have a kde package that provides > many more features (& thus involves much less sw installation time/effort) > than Woody?) sid has the KDE meta packages which I don't think are in woody yet? The meta packages make it much easier to install KDE. > It would be much appreciated if you would each free up some of your > valueable time to each answer the above questions for all here who are > interested in the future of KDE on Debian! > > Thanks. :)
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
> Does someone know from experience how well this would > work? The most straightforward way to accomplish it? I'm not quite sure what you would qualify as "rock-stable," but I use both woody AND sid package sources for everything on my system, updating once or twice a week. Sure, once in awhile something minor breaks, but it's nothing I can't handle and it's sure easier than compiling everything. (But if you want some *real* fun, though, check out www.linuxfromscratch.org) Overall, I've had very little problem and would consider my 'testing/unstable' installation to be stable enough for (my) everyday use. YMMV and all that jazz. > Or is it so messy that the sane thing to do - for someone > who wants a rock-stable OS but at the same time wants to > play with bleeding edge applications - is forget the > package approach and compile? > > Whit
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
On Monday 28 January 2002 20:58, Whit Blauvelt wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:17:19PM +1100, Ben Burton wrote: > > I'd absolutely advise using all of the sid KDE packages, even if you're > > on a woody system - this is just based on watching bug reports come in > > from people using straight woody or using some woody KDE packages with > > some sid KDE packages. But then again, I'm not sure how many other sid > > packages will be dragged in by asking for sid's KDE. This advice should > > also be taken with a grain of salt because I haven't tested woody at all > > myself. > > Does someone know from experience how well this would work? The most > straightforward way to accomplish it? > > Or is it so messy that the sane thing to do - for someone who wants a > rock-stable OS but at the same time wants to play with bleeding edge > applications - is forget the package approach and compile? > > Whit My experience has been that using the basic KDE from sid has been rock solid, save for two situations: the libpng mess and a problem with KMail and K6-2 processors that was quickly resolved. On an otherwise woody system, it has installed nothing but the kde apps/libs. Packages that are essentially frontends for other services (such as kdessh) do tend to pull in the related packages though. bob bob
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:17:19PM +1100, Ben Burton wrote: > I'd absolutely advise using all of the sid KDE packages, even if you're on a > woody system - this is just based on watching bug reports come in from people > using straight woody or using some woody KDE packages with some sid KDE > packages. But then again, I'm not sure how many other sid packages will be > dragged in by asking for sid's KDE. This advice should also be taken with a > grain of salt because I haven't tested woody at all myself. Does someone know from experience how well this would work? The most straightforward way to accomplish it? Or is it so messy that the sane thing to do - for someone who wants a rock-stable OS but at the same time wants to play with bleeding edge applications - is forget the package approach and compile? Whit
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
if all the debian-kde packagers got together and answered this, im sure it could/should be posted on debianplanet, this is something alot of people who dont read this mailing list would be interested in. John ps. keep up the good work. On Monday 28 January 2002 06:52 pm, tluxt wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if this request implies you must recapitulate anything, > but after considering the alternatives, this seemed the better option. > > I know there was a scramble to take on packages & quickly find a solution > to the image/icon problem when Ivan released the packages he was > maintaining. > > Now that that issue seems to be largely past, I would > appreciate it if you both would take a moment and answer a few questions, > involving things such as: > > 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, > and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian before this, > what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why & how you came to the > decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. > > 2) What do you see as the time frame for upcomming Debian/KDE milestones? > Such as: > > A) What is the plan/roadmap/future for KDE related things in Debian? > the metapackage (or, what is it called now? Task?) of kde vs of kdebase. > B) What's up w/ KOffice for Debian? Re: Woody or Sid? > C) What's your recommendation regarding: would you advise people who want > to be making productive use of KDE now to run Woody or Sid? > D) What's up w/ KDE 3? - When, and for whom, should persons trying to make > actual daily use of KDE begin to use KDE3? Can KDE2 & KDE3 be put onto > the same system, and switched between? Is it necessary to do a complete > separate Debian install, (one for KDE2 & one for KDE3) on the harddisk > if one wants to be able to try switch between 2 & 3? > > I ask these questions since I'd like to make some judgements about what to > put in the KDE HowTo I'm developing. For instance, I'd like to have good > data to base a decision on regarding: should I suggest, (and write it from > the perspective of) persons run Woody, and if necessary pull packages from > Sid? Or, is & will Sid be basically enough free of substantial problems > that it would be better for most people trying to do productive work with > KDE that they run Sid, in order to have the latest features? > > (For instance, two areas I'm currently possibly affected by are: > 1) Kghostview - does the Sid version fix a major problem? > 2) kde vs kdebase - does Sid have a kde package that provides > many more features (& thus involves much less sw installation time/effort) > than Woody?) > > It would be much appreciated if you would each free up some of your > valueable time to each answer the above questions for all here who are > interested in the future of KDE on Debian! > > Thanks. :) > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
> 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, > and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian before this, > what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why & how you came to the > decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. I'm just finishing a PhD and starting a postdoc in computational topology in Melbourne, Australia. I'm originally from Brisbane, Australia and just finished a couple of years studying in Oklahoma, USA. I got involved in debian because I thought it was cool and I wanted to contribute, which I guess is a fairly common story. I package a handful of official KDE modules plus koffice and a number of miscellaneous KDE apps. I also package some mathematical software and a bit of java stuff including jython. I don't actually write KDE software, I just package it. Some of the KDE packages I started maintaining because I wanted to see them in debian and some (like koffice) I started maintaining because they had been left orphaned for quite some time and I wanted to see them kept up to date. > B) What's up w/ KOffice for Debian? Re: Woody or Sid? As for sid, if you take a look at the changelog you will find that koffice has been frequently updated, with the one exception of the two week conference I was on during the libpng debacle. And despite complaint after complaint that I received during that period, the world doesn't end with a two week wait. Honestly. So the sid version of koffice is almost always fairly up to date. As for woody, the koffice in woody is very old (June/July 2001). The reason for this is the frequent updates and the fact that koffice is very large and thus takes some time to be built for all architectures, by which time there's often been another upload and so on and so on. At the moment all that's keeping koffice out of woody is an arm rebuild and two more days' wait, and unless some major bug is discovered I'm not going to do another upload until 1.1.1 has progressed into woody. So cross your fingers and koffice for woody might be up to date in the order of days. > C) What's your recommendation regarding: would you advise people who want > to be making productive use of KDE now to run Woody or Sid? I'd absolutely advise using all of the sid KDE packages, even if you're on a woody system - this is just based on watching bug reports come in from people using straight woody or using some woody KDE packages with some sid KDE packages. But then again, I'm not sure how many other sid packages will be dragged in by asking for sid's KDE. This advice should also be taken with a grain of salt because I haven't tested woody at all myself. Ben. -- Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://baasil.humbug.org.au/bab/ Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not like the Leader of the Opposition. I did not slither out of the Cabinet room like a mangy maggot... - Paul Keating, on John Howard
Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi tluxt, On Tuesday 29 January 2002 01:52, tluxt wrote: > Now that that issue seems to be largely past, I would > appreciate it if you both would take a moment and answer a few questions, > involving things such as: > Surely. > 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, > and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian before this, > what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why & how you came to the > decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. > I'm a computer scientist at bilkent university, working on parallel data mining. My interest in debian comes from my wish to enhance availability of development tools in debian. I contribute to KDevelop2 and KDevelop3 (aka gideon) in KDE and I'm writing a playlist for noatun in kdeaddons. I did the packaging for gideon and contributed to kdevelop2 packaging... I also intend to take kdemultimedia as indicated in BTS (calc can I take that when I'm back in cyberspace? ;) I will answer the remaining questions as they relate to my work. It's mainly up to DanielS and calc. My work will be related only to future packages. > 2) What do you see as the time frame for upcomming Debian/KDE milestones? > Such as: [snip] > C) What's your recommendation regarding: would you advise people who want > to be making productive use of KDE now to run Woody or Sid? This depends on what productive is. You can always run woody together with packages from sid. That seems to be the optimal for users who want to be on the latest release. For developers the best bet is CVS. > D) What's up w/ KDE 3? - When, and for whom, should persons trying to make > actual daily use of KDE begin to use KDE3? Can KDE2 & KDE3 be put onto > the same system, and switched between? Is it necessary to do a complete > separate Debian install, (one for KDE2 & one for KDE3) on the harddisk > if one wants to be able to try switch between 2 & 3? > You can start testing right now. We are at Beta 1 and I guess we know what that means ;) If you want it for "production" use, you should be waiting for the final release IMO. If you want to contribute to testing, my advice is to do "focused" tests if you can. Take an application or two that you care about and force them to the limits. You can run KDE3 and KDE2 on the same system, but debian packages will not do this for you it seems. You may have to compile it yourself. Switching between 2 & 3 is not supported either, when KDE3 is released it will simply replace KDE2. (I was thinking of providing a set of binaries that would do this "switching trick" for you, but I don't know if I'll have the time for it ;) Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8VewWfAeuFodNU5wRAuMiAJ0aUl042G5NoOCzKeAb3M8pFaQBEACfUCJt 60M2FWCHFAU+rJ16bCXHmas= =qvNI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future & timescale?
Hi, Sorry if this request implies you must recapitulate anything, but after considering the alternatives, this seemed the better option. I know there was a scramble to take on packages & quickly find a solution to the image/icon problem when Ivan released the packages he was maintaining. Now that that issue seems to be largely past, I would appreciate it if you both would take a moment and answer a few questions, involving things such as: 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian before this, what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why & how you came to the decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. 2) What do you see as the time frame for upcomming Debian/KDE milestones? Such as: A) What is the plan/roadmap/future for KDE related things in Debian? the metapackage (or, what is it called now? Task?) of kde vs of kdebase. B) What's up w/ KOffice for Debian? Re: Woody or Sid? C) What's your recommendation regarding: would you advise people who want to be making productive use of KDE now to run Woody or Sid? D) What's up w/ KDE 3? - When, and for whom, should persons trying to make actual daily use of KDE begin to use KDE3? Can KDE2 & KDE3 be put onto the same system, and switched between? Is it necessary to do a complete separate Debian install, (one for KDE2 & one for KDE3) on the harddisk if one wants to be able to try switch between 2 & 3? I ask these questions since I'd like to make some judgements about what to put in the KDE HowTo I'm developing. For instance, I'd like to have good data to base a decision on regarding: should I suggest, (and write it from the perspective of) persons run Woody, and if necessary pull packages from Sid? Or, is & will Sid be basically enough free of substantial problems that it would be better for most people trying to do productive work with KDE that they run Sid, in order to have the latest features? (For instance, two areas I'm currently possibly affected by are: 1) Kghostview - does the Sid version fix a major problem? 2) kde vs kdebase - does Sid have a kde package that provides many more features (& thus involves much less sw installation time/effort) than Woody?) It would be much appreciated if you would each free up some of your valueable time to each answer the above questions for all here who are interested in the future of KDE on Debian! Thanks. :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
