Re: Fwd: Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2002 19:07 schrieb David Bishop: > > While I appreciate the correction, this is something that should be shared > with the whole list :-) As for editing the cupsd.conf, it is quite Whoops, I sometimes forget to use "L" instead of replying (kmail). I obviously wanted to answer the list not private, sorry. > possible that if you are only running it on localhost, you won't have to do > anything. I wouldn't know ;-) And I will definetly have to check out the > kcontrol way of managing printers. That would be nifty.. > Yes I alway use local servers on my computers, don't know if configuring remote servers works as well using kcontrol. Olaf
Fwd: Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While I appreciate the correction, this is something that should be shared with the whole list :-) As for editing the cupsd.conf, it is quite possible that if you are only running it on localhost, you won't have to do anything. I wouldn't know ;-) And I will definetly have to check out the kcontrol way of managing printers. That would be nifty.. - -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:25:44 +0100 From: Olaf Stetzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Am Samstag, 19. Januar 2002 19:56 schrieb David Bishop: > > (One thing I am confused about: I would like to know the procedure for > > getting printing running with the KDE in Woody. > > > > But, I am confused because it appears that you have described two ways to > > get CUPS configured and the print driver installed: One relies on the > > browser interface, one relies on using the KDE control panel. > > My mistake. I should have explained what cups is :-) Cups has a > client/server setup, even when you are using soley one machine. So the > first step (edit the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf) is to configure where the cups > server will be listening (what ports and interfaces) and what the passwords > are to connect to it. IIRC, there isn't *much* more than that. The second > stage, connecting to the cups server with a web browser, is to set up the > server to print to your printer, i.e., "configure the driver/install the > printer" stage. At this stage, you can choose to print a test page, and it > should come out fine. However, to tell the *clients* (i.e., the programs) > what and where to connect to, you need to configure them. This is when you > open up the KDE Printing dialog, and tell it to connect to the cups server > on localhost, it does, it retrieves a list of printers that are configured, > you select the one you set up, and now all KDE apps can automagically print > to the cups server. I hope that's a slightly better explanation of what's > going on :-) > > > Are these indeed two alternative methods, or are they different > > functions? Ie, does the browser based setup need to be done before the > > KDE CUPS control panel stuff can be done? > > See above. Sorry if I add some corrections here, since your answer isn't clear on the last question (alternatives): Yes, the browser method and the KDE/control-panel are alternative ways of configuring cups. I did the setup for all printers I use only with the tools under the KDE-control-panel. Everything you need is the root password to "commit" the changes to the printer driver setup you made. I was very pleased by the KDE-printer-setup, I can hardly think of easier ways to setup a printing system BTW: I didn't touch any cups.config files by hand at all! Olaf - --- - -- D.A.Bishop -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8SwdcEHLN/FXAbC0RAhn5AKCOvnfeJH6xhxj3/fhFYEhVfp2w6wCfaobP BUiVPH9PYiom3D1DzDuP4jM= =kEWO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 19 January 2002 02:59 am, tluxt wrote: > Thanks for your help. If you can answer these few more questions, > we might have the essentials for a > "Debian/KDE/Printing Mini-HowTo or Install Guide section". :) That would be sweet. > --- David Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [I am writing this email in the mode of you also not being extremely > > familiar with how debian does things. There's no shame there, it's big > > and there's a lot to learn. If you already know some of this, I > > apologize.] > > Excellent presumption. Actually, I could use slightly more detail, see > below. :) No problem. I'm going to do some snipping to get this down to size, so I hope you kept my previous mail :-) > My questions are for the simplest case: a stand alone workstation, > connected to the internet through some means. Good. That's easy. > (One thing I am confused about: I would like to know the procedure for > getting printing running with the KDE in Woody. > > But, I am confused because it appears that you have described two ways to > get CUPS configured and the print driver installed: One relies on the > browser interface, one relies on using the KDE control panel. My mistake. I should have explained what cups is :-) Cups has a client/server setup, even when you are using soley one machine. So the first step (edit the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf) is to configure where the cups server will be listening (what ports and interfaces) and what the passwords are to connect to it. IIRC, there isn't *much* more than that. The second stage, connecting to the cups server with a web browser, is to set up the server to print to your printer, i.e., "configure the driver/install the printer" stage. At this stage, you can choose to print a test page, and it should come out fine. However, to tell the *clients* (i.e., the programs) what and where to connect to, you need to configure them. This is when you open up the KDE Printing dialog, and tell it to connect to the cups server on localhost, it does, it retrieves a list of printers that are configured, you select the one you set up, and now all KDE apps can automagically print to the cups server. I hope that's a slightly better explanation of what's going on :-) > Are these indeed two alternative methods, or are they different functions? > Ie, does the browser based setup need to be done before the KDE CUPS > control panel stuff can be done? See above. > Ie, is the browser method necessary for doing the CUPS setup, and then, > once everything is set up, the control panel interaction is used to make > the KDE system aware of how to let KDE apps access the printer that was set > up in CUPS (using the web browser interface to the CUPS system)? ) Yes! > So, if I am running the 020118 or later Woody, > [The konq-help-about screen says I'm running Konq 2.2.1 on KDE 2.2.2, IIRC, > and I installed it about 1 week ago.] > do I need to do the browser based config, or can I skip that, & do all the > CUPS setup with the kdelibs3-cups procedure you mentioned at the end of > your comments? No! B-) > > > OK, Please tell me, is this procedure _exactly_ correct? > (Are there any changes you suggest to this procedure?) > > Here is what I have done so far: > 1) Do a basic Woody install (including setting up networking access) > 2) Install X (from, I think it was Tasksel) > 3) Install KDE (from, again, I think Tasksel) > 4) At the command prompt, type "startx", then log into KDE. > > Now, for these next steps, do I just do these apt-get's, and answer any > questions asked, and that's it? Yes. > Specifically: Do I need to do anythning here about > dependencies/recommends/etc? _Are_ there any deps/recs? > If so, do the exact apt-get lines below install an appropriate set of > deps/recs/etc? Ah, new to debian I see :-) apt-get takes care of all *dependencies* for you. It doesn't necessarily take care of *recommends*, but if you apt-get install cupsys, you are gauruneteed (wow, my spelling sucks) that you will have a functional cups server. Behold: the power of apt B-) > Or, do I have to do something else to get the deps/recs in? If so, what? > Is this the complete set of what I need to apt-get? > Which would be best? Should I apt-get these? Use dselect? Use tasksel? > (Is there a CUPS task?) I always use apt-get/apt-cache, due to excessive problems with dselect. Once you get used to how apt-* works, you find that it's very powerful. For instance, if you apt-cache show cupsys, you see that it suggests: cupsys-client, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-driver-gimpprint | cupsomatic-ppd that is, *client, *bsd, and *driver-gimpprint OR cupsomatic-ppd. Whether you should get the gimp driver or ppd depends on the model of printer, and as such, you'll probably just have to try them both. You'll also note that it depends on cupsys-pstoras
Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
On Saturday 19 January 2002 05:16 am, tluxt wrote: > --- Jason Boxman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is basically what David just said, but all in a nice little HOWTO > > for Debian. > > > > http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html > > Thanks! > > > If you aren't interested in the Samba stuff then you can just skip those > > steps. The first step, which lists dependancies, is the most important > > as it sets you up with everything you need installed. After that, you > > can just do the CUPS Web setup steps to configure the printer. > > What do you mean by "which lists dependancies"? > Specifically, if this was just for a workstation connected to the internet, > only needing to print to a directly connected printer, would I need to > apt-get install all the items in step one? For that case, can I eliminate > any of the following? I mean it nicely lists each package you'd need to install. Several of these depend on each other (like you can't install cupsys-* without cupsys), so you might only need to apt-get install a few to pull down all of them. I don't think you can eliminate any of them and if you're not strapped for space, I wouldn't tempt a good thing to go bad. > cupsys > libcupsys2 > cupsys-pstoraster > cupsys-client > cupsys-bsd > > Also, would i just do "apt-get install ___" for each of the items? Do I > need to do anything (add some flags or options?) about dependancies? > > Thanks! > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
--- Jason Boxman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is basically what David just said, but all in a nice little HOWTO for > Debian. > > http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html Thanks! > If you aren't interested in the Samba stuff then you can just skip those > steps. The first step, which lists dependancies, is the most important as it > sets you up with everything you need installed. After that, you can just do > the CUPS Web setup steps to configure the printer. What do you mean by "which lists dependancies"? Specifically, if this was just for a workstation connected to the internet, only needing to print to a directly connected printer, would I need to apt-get install all the items in step one? For that case, can I eliminate any of the following? cupsys libcupsys2 cupsys-pstoraster cupsys-client cupsys-bsd Also, would i just do "apt-get install ___" for each of the items? Do I need to do anything (add some flags or options?) about dependancies? Thanks! __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
Thanks for your help. If you can answer these few more questions, we might have the essentials for a "Debian/KDE/Printing Mini-HowTo or Install Guide section". :) --- David Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [I am writing this email in the mode of you also not being extremely familiar > with how debian does things. There's no shame there, it's big and there's a > lot to learn. If you already know some of this, I apologize.] Excellent presumption. Actually, I could use slightly more detail, see below. :) > On Friday 18 January 2002 03:04 am, tluxt wrote: > > http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/install > > Has section: > > 9: Next Steps and Where to Go From Here > > Which doesn't have any suggestions about printing. > > Maybe file a wishlist bug report? Thanks. Good idea. Once I get this working, I should do that. > > So, specifically: > > 1) What packages should I apt-get, > > 2) How to install which drivers, > > 3) etc. > > cupsys and cupsys-client should get you started. I actually don't use the > gimp-print driver, but you can play around with it later if the quality isn't > up to snuff with the default. Once you install them, edit > /etc/cups/cupsd.conf. It is *very* well documented, but I can send you my > file off-list if you need more help. You don't mention if you have a single > workstation setup, or a server that will serve other computers, but either > way is a breeze. cups is configured via the web, so once you edit the > config, and restart cups (/etc/init.d/cupsys restart), point any webbrowser > at http://server:631, and log on using the username and password that you set > up. Then (and now I'm going off memory) you click on something like "manage > printers", then "add printer", which will walk you through adding a printer. > > Once you get done filling out the stuff it asks (printer type, port number) > you're done. Try printing the test page, and if that works, just use lp or > qtcups (a seperate install) to happily print away. Oh, and if you are > running kde 2.2.2, apt-get install kdelibs3-cups, goto the control center, > find printing, and add your printer in there, and "walah", all kde apps can > print to it. My questions are for the simplest case: a stand alone workstation, connected to the internet through some means. (One thing I am confused about: I would like to know the procedure for getting printing running with the KDE in Woody. But, I am confused because it appears that you have described two ways to get CUPS configured and the print driver installed: One relies on the browser interface, one relies on using the KDE control panel. Are these indeed two alternative methods, or are they different functions? Ie, does the browser based setup need to be done before the KDE CUPS control panel stuff can be done? Ie, is the browser method necessary for doing the CUPS setup, and then, once everything is set up, the control panel interaction is used to make the KDE system aware of how to let KDE apps access the printer that was set up in CUPS (using the web browser interface to the CUPS system)? ) So, if I am running the 020118 or later Woody, [The konq-help-about screen says I'm running Konq 2.2.1 on KDE 2.2.2, IIRC, and I installed it about 1 week ago.] do I need to do the browser based config, or can I skip that, & do all the CUPS setup with the kdelibs3-cups procedure you mentioned at the end of your comments? OK, Please tell me, is this procedure _exactly_ correct? (Are there any changes you suggest to this procedure?) Here is what I have done so far: 1) Do a basic Woody install (including setting up networking access) 2) Install X (from, I think it was Tasksel) 3) Install KDE (from, again, I think Tasksel) 4) At the command prompt, type "startx", then log into KDE. Now, for these next steps, do I just do these apt-get's, and answer any questions asked, and that's it? Specifically: Do I need to do anythning here about dependencies/recommends/etc? _Are_ there any deps/recs? If so, do the exact apt-get lines below install an appropriate set of deps/recs/etc? Or, do I have to do something else to get the deps/recs in? If so, what? Is this the complete set of what I need to apt-get? Which would be best? Should I apt-get these? Use dselect? Use tasksel? (Is there a CUPS task?) 5) apt-get install cupsys 6) apt-get install cupsys-client 7) edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf [Specifically: What kinds of changes will I need to be making here? Or, maybe you don't need to answer this question. Since you said the file is well documented, perhaps it will be obvious what I need to do once I get to this step.) 8) Restart cups (/etc/init.d/cupsys restart), 9) Point any webbrowser at http://server:631 . Log on using the username and password that you set up. Click on something like "manage printers", then "add printer", which will walk you t
Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
On Friday 18 January 2002 05:04 am, tluxt wrote: > What's the best way currently to set KDE up for printing? > Have you done this recently? > This is basically what David just said, but all in a nice little HOWTO for Debian. http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html It's what I used, and I printed a document from Konq to my Stylus 740 just the other day. Works pretty well. I can print from Windows to the printer as well. If you aren't interested in the Samba stuff then you can just skip those steps. The first step, which lists dependancies, is the most important as it sets you up with everything you need installed. After that, you can just do the CUPS Web setup steps to configure the printer.
Re: Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [I am writing this email in the mode of you also not being extremely familiar with how debian does things. There's no shame there, it's big and there's a lot to learn. If you already know some of this, I apologize.] On Friday 18 January 2002 03:04 am, tluxt wrote: > What's the best way currently to set KDE up for printing? > Have you done this recently? Yes. I own a Epson 777U, that I just recently got working. > Specifically: Recent Woody install. > This will be primarily for printing web pages from Konq. > using a recent parallel port Epson Inkjet printer > which is supposed to be well supported for Linux: > http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html I'm running sid, so *shrug* my experiences may or may not apply. > http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/install > Has section: > 9: Next Steps and Where to Go From Here > Which doesn't have any suggestions about printing. Maybe file a wishlist bug report? > I glanced at that, and > Printing Software by Grant Taylor, in Category Reviews - Saturday, > September 15th 2001 00:00 EST at: > http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/296/ > (Aside: Among other things, this says: > "The gimp-print project has produced a driver suite that drives most > Epson Stylus and many other brands of color inkjet printers." > So, do I need to install GNOME stuff to get that?) If you do a search for gimp-print (apt-cache search gimp-print), you'll see a package called "cupsys-driver-gimpprint". If you apt-cache show it, you see it depends on libgimpprint1 (among other cups-related stuff), which in turn depends soley on libc and zlib, both of which you should already have. So no, there are no big gnome or gtk dependencies. > I searched the Debian KDE archive for last quarter and found > articles like: Printing with CUPS 1.1.10 on KDE 2.1.2 > http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2001/debian-kde-200110/msg00044.html > So, that's on a specific package (CUPS). But, I didn't find anything > about _how_ to determine _which_ printing sw to use. I highly recommend cups. It just rocks, both for ease of setup and interoperability (I have my cups server printing for another linux box, a mac ibook, and a windows machine, all "transparently"). > So, specifically: > 1) What packages should I apt-get, > 2) How to install which drivers, > 3) etc. cupsys and cupsys-client should get you started. I actually don't use the gimp-print driver, but you can play around with it later if the quality isn't up to snuff with the default. Once you install them, edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf. It is *very* well documented, but I can send you my file off-list if you need more help. You don't mention if you have a single workstation setup, or a server that will serve other computers, but either way is a breeze. cups is configured via the web, so once you edit the config, and restart cups (/etc/init.d/cupsys restart), point any webbrowser at http://server:631, and log on using the username and password that you set up. Then (and now I'm going off memory) you click on something like "manage printers", then "add printer", which will walk you through adding a printer. Once you get done filling out the stuff it asks (printer type, port number) you're done. Try printing the test page, and if that works, just use lp or qtcups (a seperate install) to happily print away. Oh, and if you are running kde 2.2.2, apt-get install kdelibs3-cups, goto the control center, find printing, and add your printer in there, and "walah", all kde apps can print to it. Hope that helps, and if you require more assistance, please feel free to ask on the mailing list (so that it's archived for the next person as willing as you were to actually do some research before asking questions. Believe me, that's much appreciated!). > [I'm new to doing printer setup on Linux. > All help/suggestions appreciated. Thanks! :) ] No problem - -- D.A.Bishop -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8SD2SEHLN/FXAbC0RApBhAJ40j6ooCZ5pkAuF6kT9iAeFoYMd/wCgpEYo XvNxn7Ro//LDMp6FMLs385M= =JO+X -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Printing in KDE - How best to - Konq, inkjet
What's the best way currently to set KDE up for printing? Have you done this recently? Specifically: Recent Woody install. This will be primarily for printing web pages from Konq. using a recent parallel port Epson Inkjet printer which is supposed to be well supported for Linux: http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/install Has section: 9: Next Steps and Where to Go From Here Which doesn't have any suggestions about printing. http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/os.html#OSPRINTING Points to an outdated howto, whose current version is here: http://www.linuxprinting.org http://www.linuxprinting.org/howto/ I glanced at that, and Printing Software by Grant Taylor, in Category Reviews - Saturday, September 15th 2001 00:00 EST at: http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/296/ (Aside: Among other things, this says: "The gimp-print project has produced a driver suite that drives most Epson Stylus and many other brands of color inkjet printers." So, do I need to install GNOME stuff to get that?) I searched the Debian KDE archive for last quarter and found articles like: Printing with CUPS 1.1.10 on KDE 2.1.2 http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2001/debian-kde-200110/msg00044.html So, that's on a specific package (CUPS). But, I didn't find anything about _how_ to determine _which_ printing sw to use. ** There is quite a bit to digest in the above links. I'm hoping someone here (you?) has digested that (& perhaps more) and will save me/us some time with a quick suggestion of the best [referencing: http://www.linuxprinting.org/howto/ & http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/296/ ] drivers spoolers user interfaces to use, and how to get them installed on a KDE system. So, specifically: 1) What packages should I apt-get, 2) How to install which drivers, 3) etc. [I'm new to doing printer setup on Linux. All help/suggestions appreciated. Thanks! :) ] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
