Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
Ana Guerrero a écrit : On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:08:30PM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: If there is no objection from the maintainers on this list I will file a bug tomorrow against kde-standard - I can't think about a more appropriate package since kde-l10n-** packages don't have rdepends at all and I don't feel like filing against each and every of those ;-) File a bug about what? You have to choose here kde3's translations or kde4's, kde3 and kde4 have been never been co-installable. Ana, As you can see on this page http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kspread , there are kde3 apps that are still available not only in squeeze but in sid, too. I wouldn't mind installing their KDE4 counterpart mind you, they're just not available. So, I consider it a bug that those applications are distributed with no l10n due to a packaging problem (as explained in details in my preceding messages). That doesn't mean I don't understand that the Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers are reluctant to fix such a packaging problem since eventually all of those kde3 apps shall be ported or taken out of debian. I have taken notes on the lack of manpower of the team and I do understand that this problem is regarded as (very) low-priority (as long as stable is not concerned and it is only a testing/unstable problem, at least). This is precisely why I asked for maintainers' advice here. I don't want to file an unecessary (for me) and cumbersome (for them) bug report (i.e. a bug that probably only time will fix). I've read Modestas message now and I think he's just saying that: too early to decide how to solve the problem. That's OK for me, really. After observing the debates on the list and elsewhere, I'm now convinced that the sooner we'll have only kde4 apps in the archive the better, so that everyone will be in position to fill just 'useful' bugs. RIP KDE3. Hope this clarify my question. pp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:13:18AM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: Ana Guerrero a écrit : On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:08:30PM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: If there is no objection from the maintainers on this list I will file a bug tomorrow against kde-standard - I can't think about a more appropriate package since kde-l10n-** packages don't have rdepends at all and I don't feel like filing against each and every of those ;-) File a bug about what? You have to choose here kde3's translations or kde4's, kde3 and kde4 have been never been co-installable. Ana, As you can see on this page http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kspread , there are kde3 apps that are still available not only in squeeze but in sid, too. I wouldn't mind installing their KDE4 counterpart mind you, they're just not available. koffice is a bad example. koffice 1 is scheduled for removal and koffice 2 will stay in experimental until at least koffice 2.1 So, I consider it a bug that those applications are distributed with no l10n due to a packaging problem (as explained in details in my preceding messages). ok, got what you mean now. I agree it is a problem, but I do not see it as a packaging problem, it is just a matter of choice. That doesn't mean I don't understand that the Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers are reluctant to fix such a packaging problem since eventually all of those kde3 apps shall be ported or taken out of debian. I have taken notes on the lack of manpower of the team and I do understand that this problem is regarded as (very) low-priority (as long as stable is not concerned and it is only a testing/unstable problem, at least). This is precisely why I asked for maintainers' advice here. I don't want to file an unecessary (for me) and cumbersome (for them) bug report (i.e. a bug that probably only time will fix). Honestly, I do not see it being fixed. I've read Modestas message now and I think he's just saying that: too early to decide how to solve the problem. That's OK for me, really. After observing the debates on the list and elsewhere, I'm now convinced that the sooner we'll have only kde4 apps in the archive the better, so that everyone will be in position to fill just 'useful' bugs. RIP KDE3. Yes, exactly. Hope this clarify my question. Yes, thanks. Ana -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 08:22:36AM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: Hi, Since I upgraded my squeeze laptop to KDE4 last week, the remaining KDE3 applications (e.g. kspread, ...) lost all of the translated strings that they took off from /usr/share/locale/XX/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs.mo and similar generic kde3 .mo files (kio.mo, ...) since those file has been replaced by kde4 avatars of them. This concerns default menu titles for very common menus (File, ...) I can see two workarounds but I ain't got time to try them at the moment to evaluate the less worse: - do some symlinks in locale files, - fetch old kde-i18n-XX from lenny boxes and reinstall them in my squeeze laptop. If maintainers think that would deserve a bug report I'll fill it tonight. TIA for any piece of advice, install kde-l10n-fr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
Ana Guerrero wrote: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 08:22:36AM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: Hi, Since I upgraded my squeeze laptop to KDE4 last week, the remaining KDE3 applications (e.g. kspread, ...) lost all of the translated strings that they took off from /usr/share/locale/XX/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs.mo and similar generic kde3 .mo files (kio.mo, ...) since those file has been replaced by kde4 avatars of them. This concerns default menu titles for very common menus (File, ...) I can see two workarounds but I ain't got time to try them at the moment to evaluate the less worse: - do some symlinks in locale files, - fetch old kde-i18n-XX from lenny boxes and reinstall them in my squeeze laptop. If maintainers think that would deserve a bug report I'll fill it tonight. TIA for any piece of advice, install kde-l10n-fr Hi, that's going to work for kde4 apps only, for kde3 you have to backport the lenny package kde-i18n-**, except for k3b which has it's own package k3b-i18n still available in Squeeze and even Sid I guess. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
Ana Guerrero a écrit : install kde-l10n-fr Sorry, I forgot to mention kde-l10n-fr _is_ installed, for sure: 8--- pil...@ataz [257] ~ aptitude -syv install kde-l10n-fr [ ... ] kde-l10n-fr est déjà installé avec la version demandée (4:4.2.2-1) kde-l10n-fr est déjà installé avec la version demandée (4:4.2.2-1) Aucun paquet ne va être installé, mis à jour ou enlevé. 0 paquets mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour. Il est nécessaire de télécharger 0o d'archives. Après dépaquetage, 0o seront utilisés. 8--- And KDE4 l10n is as ok as it can be. The problem only shows up for kde3 apps. Thanks anyway, pp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
Hello, On 2009 m. June 2 d., Tuesday 11:59:53 tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: that's going to work for kde4 apps only, for kde3 you have to backport the lenny package kde-i18n-**, except for k3b which has it's own package k3b-i18n still available in Squeeze and even Sid I guess. They cannot be co-installed (files are at the same location). -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:08:30PM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: Patrice Pillot a écrit : tv.deb...@googlemail.com a écrit : Ana Guerrero wrote: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 08:22:36AM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: Since I upgraded my squeeze laptop to KDE4 last week, the remaining KDE3 applications (e.g. kspread, ...) lost all of the translated strings that they took off from /usr/share/locale/XX/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs.mo and similar generic kde3 .mo files (kio.mo, ...) since those file has been replaced by kde4 avatars of them. This concerns default menu titles for very common menus (File, ...) TIA for any piece of advice, install kde-l10n-fr that's going to work for kde4 apps only, for kde3 you have to backport I thought about it but what I expect some file conflicts by installing old kde-i18n-**. I'm pretty sure cherrypicking through the *.mo file should be sufficient, shouldn't it ? Replying to myself... I just tried that, putting lenny's /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs.mo alongside squeeze's /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs4.mo and it seems it just works (et least with kspread which is the application where the localized dates and number formatting missed me particularly). If there is no objection from the maintainers on this list I will file a bug tomorrow against kde-standard - I can't think about a more appropriate package since kde-l10n-** packages don't have rdepends at all and I don't feel like filing against each and every of those ;-) File a bug about what? You have to choose here kde3's translations or kde4's, kde3 and kde4 have been never been co-installable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
In 20090602210712.ga3...@ana.debian.net, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:08:30PM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: Patrice Pillot a écrit : tv.deb...@googlemail.com a écrit : Ana Guerrero wrote: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 08:22:36AM +0200, Patrice Pillot wrote: Since I upgraded my squeeze laptop to KDE4 last week, the remaining KDE3 applications (e.g. kspread, ...) lost all of the translated strings that they took off from /usr/share/locale/XX/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs.mo and similar generic kde3 .mo files install kde-l10n-fr that's going to work for kde4 apps only, for kde3 you have to backport I thought about it but what I expect some file conflicts by installing old kde-i18n-**. I'm pretty sure cherrypicking through the *.mo file should be sufficient, shouldn't it ? I just tried that, putting lenny's /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs.mo alongside squeeze's /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kdelibs4.mo and it seems it just works (et least with kspread which is the application where the localized dates and number formatting missed me particularly). If there is no objection from the maintainers on this list I will file a bug tomorrow against kde-standard File a bug about what? You have to choose here kde3's translations or kde4's, kde3 and kde4 have been never been co-installable. But the libraries have been. Which means that you might have applications that use the old libraries and translations AND applications that use the new libraries and translations installed at the same time. With the translations packaged as they are now; either the new applications the old application or both aren't fully localized. In particular, strings coming from the library itself (some of which can show up in the GUI) are not localized. So, unless the plan is to drop KDE 3 entirely from Squeeze, including libraries and applications that haven't been ported away from those applications, this is a bug that will need to be addresses (IMHO). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Translations lost on upgrade to KDE4
Hello, On 2009 m. June 3 d., Wednesday 01:16:27 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: So, unless the plan is to drop KDE 3 entirely from Squeeze, including libraries and applications that haven't been ported away from those applications, this is a bug that will need to be addresses (IMHO). The plan is to drop as many KDE 3 apps as possible. However, now it is definitely too early to talk how much KDE 3 stuff will end up in Squeeze. The time will tell. However, you are welcome to create a kdelibs4-i18n package now if you want. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
