Re: spam problem because of this list....
From: Anders Ellenshj Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 25 September 2003 21:33, Carla Schroder wrote: The solution is better list management. A responsible list manager munges Another solution using kmail goes like this: 1. Turn on pop filtering for your account. 2. Add filter that fetches all mails that explicitly has your email address in the 'To' header. 3. Add filter that nukes everything else. Wow! You _never_ get legitimately cc'd? My wife uses a Hotmail account which quite happily trashes anything on that basis - which means she almost never gets anything that is sent to groups of recipients, and misses any announcements from the various clubs we belong to.
Re: spam problem because of this list....
It's quite likely somebody is simply harvesting emails from this list or others. One easy option (although a pain) is to change the email address you use in your mailclient to be something like debian-list 'AT' brain-frog.de or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Good luck, David On Wednesday 24 September 2003 23:39, Wolfgang Mader wrote: hallo to everyone, one and a have week ago i noticed that someone wants to bomb me with spam (about 100 mails a day). because i can not stand this i changed two days ago all my e-mail adresses and yesterday i corrected them in the debian-kde, the debian-announce and the debian-news-german list. This evening i have received spam. i can not imagin why but the adress it was send to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a adress i created 2 days ago an i only have told to the mailinglist html interface from this three debian lists above. in the last case, bevore i have changed all my adresses spam came as well in over the same adress which was in debian-kde etc. is it possible that the spam and this list have anything in common in my case or does anyone else have simmilar problems? i would be very pleased to have a solution for this because i want to read this lists but i do not want to changen my complete email setup 3 times a week. thank you in advance wolfgang
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:39, Wolfgang Mader wrote: one and a have week ago i noticed that someone wants to bomb me with spam (about 100 mails a day). because i can not stand this i changed two days ago all my e-mail adresses and yesterday i corrected them in the debian-kde, the debian-announce and the debian-news-german list. Configure your mail server to use a selection of DNSBL services, that will block known spam machines from sending you mail. Then install spamassasin and drop all mail with a suitable high score. After that the amount of spam you receive will be quite low, maybe 10-20 per day. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:39:05AM +0200, Wolfgang Mader wrote: hallo to everyone, one and a have week ago i noticed that someone wants to bomb me with spam (about 100 mails a day). because i can not stand this i changed two days ago all my e-mail adresses and yesterday i corrected them in the debian-kde, the Use a spam filter program such as spamassassin, it works very well. spamassassin catches roughly 250 spams a day for my mailbox, most of the ones that slip through are the viruses. If you setup a virus scanner to check your mail that will probably be caught as well. Chris signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Friday 26 September 2003 15:30, Derek Broughton wrote: 2. Add filter that fetches all mails that explicitly has your email address in the 'To' header. 3. Add filter that nukes everything else. Wow! You _never_ get legitimately cc'd? My wife uses a Hotmail account Sure, plenty of times. And this filter lets all those through. That's the clever thing. Remember it's a pop filter and there is a 5 bytes limit on the emails that is affected by it. Usually 'good' emails are less than 1 bytes. Now if anyone decides to cc me with an attachment that is bigger that this then it is lost. Tough. It was probably a waste of time for me anyway. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.3 on Debian GNU/Linux
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Thursday 25 September 2003 21:33, Carla Schroder wrote: The solution is better list management. A responsible list manager munges the sender's addresses in the Web archives. Many lists that I subscribe to do a simple 'user at domain.com' sort of munge. Hey, that's not fair! Maybe munging would be a good idea but it would NOT have stopped this particular virus. This virus searches all mbox files on your local hard disk. So, if somebody who still has your mail in his mbox is infected with that stupid worm, it has your address. It doens't need web archives for that. Magnus -- --- Magnus von Koeller --- email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] address: International University Campus 9, App. 13 D-76646 Bruchsal / Germany phone:+49-7251-700-659 mobile: +49-179-4562940 web: http://www.vonkoeller.de pgpdjFxGj5SwQ.pgp Description: signature
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:39:05AM +0200, Wolfgang Mader wrote: This evening i have received spam. i can not imagin why but the adress it was send to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a adress i created 2 days ago an i only have told to the mailinglist html interface from this three debian lists above. Actually you used the address yesterday on this same mailing list, and that is probably where the spam (or viruses) came from. now, when you go to http://groups.google.com/ and search for your new email address, you will notice that these lists are broadcast to usenet and google archives, both places where spammers gather addressess. i would be very pleased to have a solution for this because i want to read this lists but i do not want to changen my complete email setup 3 times a There is not much one can do to hide your address when sending mail to debian lists, or any other popular list. There are lots of packages in debian that can help filtering spam, most popular ones being spamassassin and bogofilter. If you control you mailserver, you might want to configure sa-exim or a respectable blacklist, like dsbl.org. -- Riku Voipio|[EMAIL PROTECTED] | kirkkonummentie 33 |+358 40 8476974 --+-- 02140 Espoo| | dark A bad analogy is like leaky screwdriver |
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 3:39 pm, Wolfgang Mader wrote: hallo to everyone, one and a have week ago i noticed that someone wants to bomb me with spam (about 100 mails a day). because i can not stand this i changed two days ago all my e-mail adresses and yesterday i corrected them in the debian-kde, the debian-announce and the debian-news-german list. This evening i have received spam. i can not imagin why but the adress it was send to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a adress i created 2 days ago an i only have told to the mailinglist html interface from this three debian lists above. in the last case, bevore i have changed all my adresses spam came as well in over the same adress which was in debian-kde etc. is it possible that the spam and this list have anything in common in my case or does anyone else have simmilar problems? i would be very pleased to have a solution for this because i want to read this lists but i do not want to changen my complete email setup 3 times a week. thank you in advance wolfgang The solution is better list management. A responsible list manager munges the sender's addresses in the Web archives. Many lists that I subscribe to do a simple 'user at domain.com' sort of munge. Even better is munging all addresses in Web archives to the list address, see http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2003-September/022007.html for an example. Note how the sender's address is munged to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address-harvesting bots are rampant, the fastest I ever saw spammed me the same day my address appeared on a Web page. Some spammers subscribe to lists just to collect more addresses, but I think that is not that common, it's too much work. I think it is not good list management to leave subscriber's addresses wide-open to spammers. -- ~ Carla Schroder www.tuxcomputing.com this message brought to you by Libranet 2.8 and Kmail ~
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Thursday 25 September 2003 21:33, Carla Schroder wrote: The solution is better list management. A responsible list manager munges Another solution using kmail goes like this: 1. Turn on pop filtering for your account. 2. Add filter that fetches all mails that explicitly has your email address in the 'To' header. 3. Add filter that nukes everything else. 4. ... 5. Profit! Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.3 on Debian GNU/Linux
Re: spam problem because of this list....
On Thursday 25 September 2003 2:31 pm, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2003 21:33, Carla Schroder wrote: The solution is better list management. A responsible list manager munges Another solution using kmail goes like this: 1. Turn on pop filtering for your account. 2. Add filter that fetches all mails that explicitly has your email address in the 'To' header. 3. Add filter that nukes everything else. 4. ... 5. Profit! Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.3 on Debian GNU/Linux Heh. good point. I love Kmail, I haven't found anything I need yet that it can't do. Except stop the garbage before it hits my server. Those of us who pay for a limited amount of bandwidth and storage would rather not have all that !%$^# spam and virus nonsense hit the server in the first place. Who else supports making spam a capital offense? (only partly kidding) -- ~ Carla Schroder www.tuxcomputing.com this message brought to you by Libranet 2.8 and Kmail ~
Re: spam problem because of this list....
The POP filtering of KMail is inadequate IMHO since it requires user interaction. One should be able to configure it to delete automatically anything that matches the base64 code that swen and friends have in common. I'd also like to see the ability to automatically filter out all binary attachments. KMail also ought to have the ability to automatically erase trashed messages from the server after they are deleted locally. Yes, IMAP is better but there is no way that KMail not having selective POP delete will impel admins to abandon POP en masse. I'm not a programmer but that doesn't seem too hard to implement give the fact that Netscape 2.0 had the feature. On September 25, 2003 07:56 pm, Carla Schroder wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2003 2:31 pm, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2003 21:33, Carla Schroder wrote: The solution is better list management. A responsible list manager munges Another solution using kmail goes like this: 1. Turn on pop filtering for your account. 2. Add filter that fetches all mails that explicitly has your email address in the 'To' header. 3. Add filter that nukes everything else. 4. ... 5. Profit! Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.3 on Debian GNU/Linux Heh. good point. I love Kmail, I haven't found anything I need yet that it can't do. Except stop the garbage before it hits my server. Those of us who pay for a limited amount of bandwidth and storage would rather not have all that !%$^# spam and virus nonsense hit the server in the first place. Who else supports making spam a capital offense? (only partly kidding) -- ~ Carla Schroder www.tuxcomputing.com this message brought to you by Libranet 2.8 and Kmail ~
