Re: AW: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
Hm. If I enable RenderAccel, Xorg shoots up to 99% of the CPU time while the splash screen is showing and never finishes booting. The mouse works, but that's it. I have to log in over ssh and kill -9 the Xorg process by hand. Without that set, the transparency and shadow effects are there but the system is also unusably slow. Any idea what the issue could be? My card is an NVidia GeForce3, using their proprietary driver installed the debian way. Thanks. On Saturday 24 September 2005 12:08 pm, Mart van Santen wrote: Here also no problems, please be sure to enable the RenderAccel and AllowGLXWithComposite option in xorg.conf/XF86Config Before I enabled RenderAccel it was unusable slow. This is my config (only device, module and section settings): Section Device Identifier NVIDIA Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache] Driver nvidia BusID PCI:1:0:0 Option AllowGLXWithComposite true Option RenderAccel true EndSection Section Module Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord Loadtype1 Loadvbe EndSection Section Extensions Option Composite true EndSection Regards, Mart -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
Larry Garfield wrote (Monday 26 September 2005 4:38 am): Hm. If I enable RenderAccel, Xorg shoots up to 99% of the CPU time while the splash screen is showing and never finishes booting. The mouse works, but that's it. I have to log in over ssh and kill -9 the Xorg process by hand. Without that set, the transparency and shadow effects are there but the system is also unusably slow. Any idea what the issue could be? My card is an NVidia GeForce3, using their proprietary driver installed the debian way. Thanks. I'm using GeForce2 and I get similar behaviour. I think it's probably related to NVidia claiming the RenderAccel is still *experimental*. Shame. Peace, Brendon pgpGvgIXeOL3w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AW: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On 25/09/05, Brendon Lloyd Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry Garfield wrote (Monday 26 September 2005 4:38 am): Hm.If I enable RenderAccel, Xorg shoots up to 99% of the CPU time while the splash screen is showing and never finishes booting.The mouse works, but that's it.I have to log in over ssh and kill -9 the Xorg process by hand. Without that set, the transparency and shadow effects are there but the system is also unusably slow. I have an ATI MOBILITY™ RADEON™ 9000 IGP with 64MB DDR video memory shared video memory (to quote). Would enableing RenderAccel cause a bit of a break (and my having to some how reverse this), or is it safe to enable it? (I think I can also change the 64MB, but I do not konw how off-hand.) Sorry to butt in like this.Thank you in advance, none the less.-- —A watched bread-crumb never boils.—My hover-craft is full of eels.—[...]and that's the he and the she of it.
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 16:54, Georg Wittenburg wrote: [...] - The X server crashed earlier on, but I was multitasking and can't reproduce it. Which is the best way to gather some debugging info, given that kdm restarts the crashed X server thus overwriting /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors? It seems as if /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is helpful, but is there anything else? Further, should bugs be filed against the X server or kwin/kompmgr? Or rather not at all given that this feature is marked as experimental? As mentioned before, this turned out to be a problem with Kopete (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100020). For what it's worth, the upstream bugreport is at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2594. It's been there since February without seeing too much activity. Well, wait and see... Regards, Georg -- Georg Wittenburg http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~wittenbu/ pgpox3mZwp6JZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12 am, garaged wrote: I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow. The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite unusable for the slownes. Same experience here too. AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card. Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything. Way way too slow to be usable. -- _--_|\ John Verhoeven Database System Administrator / \ Australian Railroad Group *_.--._/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] vSmile! things could be worse... So I did... and they were... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On 9/15/05, John Verhoeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same experience here too.AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card.Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything.Way way too slow to be usable. Works perfectly here for me withDebian amd64 (etch), AMD64 3200+, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5700LE card, and KDE 3.4.2-- Best regards / Mit den besten GrüssenSven Krahn
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
John Verhoeven wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12 am, garaged wrote: I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow. The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite unusable for the slownes. Same experience here too. AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card. Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything. Way way too slow to be usable. Did you enable nvidias render acceleration? My card is the same than yours and peformance is good here. Check this in xorg.conf: Section Device ... Option RenderAccel true Option AllowGLXWithComposite true ... EndSection It's nice to look at, very nice, but be warned: you will see crashes... regards, Yves -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
The reason is very simple. All new nvidia drivers don't support composite. You have to use version 699x! But don't ask me, wheather this version supports yourvideo card.Ask NVidia - or better, ask them why they have dropped support for composite. Best regards and rest in hope for a better nvidia driver, Michael Von: Sven Krahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. September 2005 11:02An: debian-kde@lists.debian.orgBetreff: Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows On 9/15/05, John Verhoeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same experience here too.AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card.Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything.Way way too slow to be usable. Works perfectly here for me withDebian amd64 (etch), AMD64 3200+, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5700LE card, and KDE 3.4.2-- Best regards / Mit den besten GrüssenSven Krahn
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On Thursday 15 September 2005 03:36, John Verhoeven wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12 am, garaged wrote: I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow. The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite unusable for the slownes. Same experience here too. AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card. Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything. Way way too slow to be usable. It runs fine here on P4 2.99ghz with 7676 drivers on FX Go5200, speed wise. The main problem I have is that my transparencies always slowly but surely turn themselves down to 60%, when I try to keep them at 80%. I've experienced this since KDE 3.4.0... I actually ended up turning it off for all but my putty windows, to avoid some pain. -- Kevin Berry The IT Specialists - Effortless Systems pgp2E6mRVcD5I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:54:17PM +0200, Georg Wittenburg wrote: I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center - Desktop - Window Behavior - Translucency. Works quite OK after minor adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging effort, btw! There are two issues and I'm wondering whether anybody else can share some insight: - It appears that with translucency turned on, i.e. kompmgr running, and all other things unchanged to the best of my knowledge, some icons (laptop battery power and knemo) in the systray go missing. Control Center - KDE Components - Service Manager tells me they're running, but the systray icons are just not there. Anybody else seeing this? Yes, tried it yesterday and had the same phenomenon. Every tray icon was missing except for Klipper (clipboard tool). -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On 9/13/05, Georg Wittenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center - Desktop - Window Behavior - Translucency. Works quite OK after minor adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging effort, btw! I was curious to try this feature after reding your mail, ando I turned on that option too. Unfoturnately I can see non translucency effect at all, so I am guessing that maybe it is caused by my xorg.conf. What exactly have you put/changed in it? BYe.
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:00:28PM +0200, Michelasso wrote: On 9/13/05, Georg Wittenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center - Desktop - Window Behavior - Translucency. Works quite OK after minor adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging effort, btw! I was curious to try this feature after reding your mail, ando I turned on that option too. Unfoturnately I can see non translucency effect at all, so I am guessing that maybe it is caused by my xorg.conf. What exactly have you put/changed in it? Did you restart your xserver after turning the translucency options on? Add these lines to your xorg.conf and then restart your xserver: Section Extensions Option Composite Enable EndSection -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 12:45, Joerg Rieger wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:00:28PM +0200, Michelasso wrote: On 9/13/05, Georg Wittenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center - Desktop - Window Behavior - Translucency. Works quite OK after minor adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging effort, btw! I was curious to try this feature after reding your mail, ando I turned on that option too. Unfoturnately I can see non translucency effect at all, so I am guessing that maybe it is caused by my xorg.conf. What exactly have you put/changed in it? Did you restart your xserver after turning the translucency options on? Add these lines to your xorg.conf and then restart your xserver: Section Extensions Option Composite Enable EndSection As I'm running this on NVidia hardware, I've also added Section Device [...your device settings...] Option AllowGLXWithComposite true EndSection Further, I've found two bugs reports upstream that match my problems: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100020 - Has been closed because its the X server that needs fixing. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100177 - Valid. Please vote to get your systray icons back! :) Regards, Georg -- Georg Wittenburg http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~wittenbu/ pgp7QTj5MHLAL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
On 9/14/05, Joerg Rieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you restart your xserver after turning the translucency options on? Add these lines to your xorg.conf and then restart your xserver: Section Extensions Option Composite Enable EndSection Ok, then this should be the problem: enabling composite extension causes a lot of problems to my screen (it is filled with black horizontal lines) maybe because of some problems of the proprietary ati driver for mi video card (ati mobility radeon x700), so I will miss translucency effects still for a while :-) Bye
Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow. I have nvidia.ko, and sometimes procesor get some work, but in general procesor is low in usage but focus changes takes several seconds. The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite unusable for the slownes. Max -- Linux garaged 2.6.9-rc1-mm1 #3 SMP Mon Aug 30 12:14:50 CDT 2004 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GS/S d- s: a-29 C++(+++) ULAHI+++ P+ L+ E--- W++ N* o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE Y-- PGP++ t- 5- X+ R tv++ b+ DI+++ D- G++ e++ h+ r+ z** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- gpg-key: http://garaged.homeip.net/gpg-key.txt
Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
Hi all! I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center - Desktop - Window Behavior - Translucency. Works quite OK after minor adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging effort, btw! There are two issues and I'm wondering whether anybody else can share some insight: - It appears that with translucency turned on, i.e. kompmgr running, and all other things unchanged to the best of my knowledge, some icons (laptop battery power and knemo) in the systray go missing. Control Center - KDE Components - Service Manager tells me they're running, but the systray icons are just not there. Anybody else seeing this? - The X server crashed earlier on, but I was multitasking and can't reproduce it. Which is the best way to gather some debugging info, given that kdm restarts the crashed X server thus overwriting /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors? It seems as if /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is helpful, but is there anything else? Further, should bugs be filed against the X server or kwin/kompmgr? Or rather not at all given that this feature is marked as experimental? Regards, Georg -- Georg Wittenburg http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~wittenbu/ pgpZYlMg3wzen.pgp Description: PGP signature
