Re: Safe to upgrade?
On 06/12/15 05:34 PM, Tim Folger wrote: Hi, I'm running debian testing, with kde version 4.14.2, Given some of the problems I've seen posted on this list, I've been hesitating to upgrade to Plasma 5. What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe to upgrade? Thanks for any input. Tim My two cents worth: - Plasma 5 seems to basically be working. - Dolphin crashes frequently but no longer generates tens of zombie processes in use, so call that a tie.
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Monday 07 December 2015 8:28:31 AM Robert van den Berg wrote: > It is working fine for me. Even my final issue with SDDM is gone, probably > due to the updated NVIDIA drivers. > > Big thank you to the team! > > Kind regards, > > Robert > > On Dec 6, 2015 11:34 PM, "Tim Folger" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm running debian testing, with kde version 4.14.2, Given some of the > > problems I've seen posted on this list, I've been hesitating to upgrade to > > Plasma 5. What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally > > safe to > > upgrade? > > > > Thanks for any input. > > > > Tim I just wanted to post a short follow-up: After some hesitation, I dist- upgraded my laptop and desktop today to kde 4.14.14. Everything is working smoothly, and some things that weren't working before--searches in dolphin, for example--now work. I also installed the plasma-systray-legacy package so I could use hplip and skype. Overall, I think plasma 5 looks very elegant. Thanks, debian kde team! Tim
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Am Freitag, 11. Dezember 2015, 08:15:09 CET schrieb Dominique Dumont: > On Thursday 10 December 2015 23:42:34 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Yeah. I think Debian Qt/KDE team can need help with that. Lisandro may be > > working on it, but it overloaded with other work already. > > I understand. I almost jumped in to help, but then I remembered that I still > have trouble following up cme and licensecheck dev, perl6 packaging and > misc mentoring... Thing is Digikam comes with a ton of bundled libraries. I think upstream tries to reduce the amount of the bundled libraries, but from what I heard currently its quite a challenge to package. Thanks, -- Martin
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Dec 10, 2015 9:04 AM, "Dominique Dumont" wrote: > > On Sunday 06 December 2015 15:34:59 you wrote: > > What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe to > > upgrade? > > I use plasma5 from sid on a desktop and a laptop. > > This is fairly stable now and usable. > > Suspend and resume now work most of the time. This point was hugely improved > in the last weeks. > > I still have some issues when switching on and off an external screen (the > laptop is 1920x1080 and the screen is 1920x1200). > When the external screen is switched off, the layout is readjusted for the > smaller screen, but the bottom menu bar is lost until I switch the external > screen back on (or restart sddm). > > Currently, the major pain point for me is the missing digikam.. > > Hope this helps > > -- > https://github.com/dod38fr/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ > http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -o- irc: dod at irc.debian.org > I also have similar problems on my laptop (Lenovo T430) using docking station and external monitor. Menu bar appears and disappears randomly. If I remove laptop from docking station while it's locked, after unlocking I get black screen. All my running tasks are left on external monitor and i cant use them without returning laptop to dock and undocking it again. Konsole process is always lost from bar but still active in background. I'm on Sid btw.
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Thursday 10 December 2015 23:42:34 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Yeah. I think Debian Qt/KDE team can need help with that. Lisandro may be > working on it, but it overloaded with other work already. I understand. I almost jumped in to help, but then I remembered that I still have trouble following up cme and licensecheck dev, perl6 packaging and misc mentoring... All the best -- https://github.com/dod38fr/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -o- irc: dod at irc.debian.org
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On 12/10/2015 02:38 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: martin@merkaba:~> uptime 23:34:54 up 4 days, 11:08, 0 users, load average: 1,22, 1,61, 1,58 with several suspend and several hibernation cycles in between, cause I never it it running through the night. No issue. Just works. Even with two Plasma sessions. One private one and one for work. Just sometimes I have it that Plasma session is not locked properly, and then doesn�t respond to mouse clicks at all. I did not wait for more than a few minutes so far for it to respond again and just "killall -u" it. But it happens quite rarely. Debian Sid, with self-compiled KF5 and KDEPIM, but Plasma from Debian packages. Thanks, All four of my Plasma systems crash, just setting there or maybe I'll be playing Kpat, it's been the case for along time now. While Xfce is as stable as stable can be. By the way it's 140 packages and 225MB if you want to install Kpat on an Xfce system. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Stretch - Xfce 4.12 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda13 Registered Linux User #380263
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Thursday 10 December 2015 11:43:50 PM Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2015, 10:16:03 CET schrieb Tim Folger: > > Thanks, Dominique. That's good to know. Do you happen to use Network > > Manager? I started using it for the first time on my new laptop running > > debian testing and kde 4.14.2, and it has been working really well. For > > years I had been configuring my wireless settings in > > /etc/network/interfaces. Network Manager makes things much easier. I'm > > hoping it would still work if I upgrade to Plasma 5. > > Jup it works. > > I use it with ethernet, wlan + OpenVPN. > > I had it once that it showed all WLAN connections as online, but I didn´t > see that since then. > > Plasma stuff is in the plasma-nm package now. It's great to hear that Plasma 5 is shaping up. Thanks, debian-kde team!
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Am Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2015, 10:16:03 CET schrieb Tim Folger: > Thanks, Dominique. That's good to know. Do you happen to use Network > Manager? I started using it for the first time on my new laptop running > debian testing and kde 4.14.2, and it has been working really well. For > years I had been configuring my wireless settings in > /etc/network/interfaces. Network Manager makes things much easier. I'm > hoping it would still work if I upgrade to Plasma 5. Jup it works. I use it with ethernet, wlan + OpenVPN. I had it once that it showed all WLAN connections as online, but I didn´t see that since then. Plasma stuff is in the plasma-nm package now. -- Martin
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Am Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2015, 09:03:33 CET schrieb Dominique Dumont: > I still have some issues when switching on and off an external screen (the > laptop is 1920x1080 and the screen is 1920x1200). > When the external screen is switched off, the layout is readjusted for the > smaller screen, but the bottom menu bar is lost until I switch the external > screen back on (or restart sddm). Screen handling is still a bit flaky. Even with Qt 5.5.1. But its already much better than with Qt 5.4. Also krunner on once screen does not appear in visible space when I connect my laptop to external display again. A "killall krunner ; krunner" works around this. Already reported on upstream bugtracker. > Currently, the major pain point for me is the missing digikam.. Yeah. I think Debian Qt/KDE team can need help with that. Lisandro may be working on it, but it overloaded with other work already. Ciao, -- Martin
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Am Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2015, 17:56:33 CET schrieb Marc Haber: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 06:56:45PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > > Marc Haber: > > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:31:43PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > > >> However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of work > > >> on > > >> the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. > > > > > > > > > > > > I still regularly experience plasmashell taking 100 % CPU and needing > > > a kill + restart. This especially happens over night when the machine > > > is idling away in the lock screen. > > > > > > > > Hmmm! I normally put my computer to sleep or hibernate for the night, so > > I > > haven't seen this -- ick. I wouldn't like to find that. > > Actually, the current behavior is a 100 % improvement over August's > state of KDE plasma 5 when it was still a complete crash, needing a > remote login+ kill X to get the machine back after it was left idling > over night. > > I have not dared to suspend the machine since the KDE Plasma 5 update > since if the current system doesn't even survive a night of idling, > how could it possibly survive a suspend+resume cycle? martin@merkaba:~> uptime 23:34:54 up 4 days, 11:08, 0 users, load average: 1,22, 1,61, 1,58 with several suspend and several hibernation cycles in between, cause I never it it running through the night. No issue. Just works. Even with two Plasma sessions. One private one and one for work. Just sometimes I have it that Plasma session is not locked properly, and then doesn´t respond to mouse clicks at all. I did not wait for more than a few minutes so far for it to respond again and just "killall -u" it. But it happens quite rarely. Debian Sid, with self-compiled KF5 and KDEPIM, but Plasma from Debian packages. Thanks, -- Martin
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Thursday 10 December 2015 10:16:03 Tim Folger wrote: > Do you happen to use Network Manager? Yes. The plasma thingy for network manager works fine, I use it without issues with wired internet, wireless and vpn. All the best -- https://github.com/dod38fr/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -o- irc: dod at irc.debian.org
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Thursday 10 December 2015 6:19:12 PM Javier Juan Albarracín wrote: > El Jueves, 10 de diciembre de 2015 10:16:03 Tim Folger escribió: > > On Thursday 10 December 2015 9:03:33 AM Dominique Dumont wrote: > > > On Sunday 06 December 2015 15:34:59 you wrote: > > > > What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe to > > > > upgrade? > > > > > > I use plasma5 from sid on a desktop and a laptop. > > > > > > This is fairly stable now and usable. > > > > > > Suspend and resume now work most of the time. This point was hugely > > > improved in the last weeks. > > > > > > I still have some issues when switching on and off an external screen > > > (the > > > laptop is 1920x1080 and the screen is 1920x1200). > > > When the external screen is switched off, the layout is readjusted for > > > the > > > smaller screen, but the bottom menu bar is lost until I switch the > > > external > > > screen back on (or restart sddm). > > > > > > Currently, the major pain point for me is the missing digikam.. > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Thanks, Dominique. That's good to know. Do you happen to use Network > > Manager? I started using it for the first time on my new laptop running > > debian testing and kde 4.14.2, and it has been working really well. For > > years I had been configuring my wireless settings in > > /etc/network/interfaces. Network Manager makes things much easier. I'm > > hoping it would still work if I upgrade to Plasma 5. > > > > Tim > > Yes, it works. You should edit the file > /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and set to true the "managed" line: > > [main] > plugins=ifupdown,keyfile > > [ifupdown] > managed=true > > > Javier Excellent. Thanks, Javier. I think I'll try upgrading my laptop. if that goes well I'll upgrade my desktop too. Tim
Re: Safe to upgrade?
El Jueves, 10 de diciembre de 2015 10:16:03 Tim Folger escribió: > On Thursday 10 December 2015 9:03:33 AM Dominique Dumont wrote: > > On Sunday 06 December 2015 15:34:59 you wrote: > > > What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe to > > > upgrade? > > > > I use plasma5 from sid on a desktop and a laptop. > > > > This is fairly stable now and usable. > > > > Suspend and resume now work most of the time. This point was hugely > > improved in the last weeks. > > > > I still have some issues when switching on and off an external screen (the > > laptop is 1920x1080 and the screen is 1920x1200). > > When the external screen is switched off, the layout is readjusted for the > > smaller screen, but the bottom menu bar is lost until I switch the > > external > > screen back on (or restart sddm). > > > > Currently, the major pain point for me is the missing digikam.. > > > > Hope this helps > > Thanks, Dominique. That's good to know. Do you happen to use Network > Manager? I started using it for the first time on my new laptop running > debian testing and kde 4.14.2, and it has been working really well. For > years I had been configuring my wireless settings in > /etc/network/interfaces. Network Manager makes things much easier. I'm > hoping it would still work if I upgrade to Plasma 5. > > Tim Yes, it works. You should edit the file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and set to true the "managed" line: [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile [ifupdown] managed=true Javier
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Thursday 10 December 2015 9:03:33 AM Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Sunday 06 December 2015 15:34:59 you wrote: > > What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe to > > upgrade? > > I use plasma5 from sid on a desktop and a laptop. > > This is fairly stable now and usable. > > Suspend and resume now work most of the time. This point was hugely improved > in the last weeks. > > I still have some issues when switching on and off an external screen (the > laptop is 1920x1080 and the screen is 1920x1200). > When the external screen is switched off, the layout is readjusted for the > smaller screen, but the bottom menu bar is lost until I switch the external > screen back on (or restart sddm). > > Currently, the major pain point for me is the missing digikam.. > > Hope this helps Thanks, Dominique. That's good to know. Do you happen to use Network Manager? I started using it for the first time on my new laptop running debian testing and kde 4.14.2, and it has been working really well. For years I had been configuring my wireless settings in /etc/network/interfaces. Network Manager makes things much easier. I'm hoping it would still work if I upgrade to Plasma 5. Tim
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Sunday 06 December 2015 15:34:59 you wrote: > What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe to > upgrade? I use plasma5 from sid on a desktop and a laptop. This is fairly stable now and usable. Suspend and resume now work most of the time. This point was hugely improved in the last weeks. I still have some issues when switching on and off an external screen (the laptop is 1920x1080 and the screen is 1920x1200). When the external screen is switched off, the layout is readjusted for the smaller screen, but the bottom menu bar is lost until I switch the external screen back on (or restart sddm). Currently, the major pain point for me is the missing digikam.. Hope this helps -- https://github.com/dod38fr/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -o- irc: dod at irc.debian.org
Re: Safe to upgrade?
I run Plasma (testing/sid) on a desktop, so no suspend function needed. I really like it and it is very, very usable. Luc 2015-12-09 18:42 GMT+01:00 Chris Knadle : > Marc Haber: > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 06:56:45PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > >> Marc Haber: > >>> On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:31:43PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of > work on > the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. > >>> > >>> I still regularly experience plasmashell taking 100 % CPU and needing > >>> a kill + restart. This especially happens over night when the machine > >>> is idling away in the lock screen. > >> > >> Hmmm! I normally put my computer to sleep or hibernate for the night, > so I > >> haven't seen this -- ick. I wouldn't like to find that. > > > > Actually, the current behavior is a 100 % improvement over August's > > state of KDE plasma 5 when it was still a complete crash, needing a > > remote login+ kill X to get the machine back after it was left idling > > over night. > > Yeah, a couple of months ago I repeatedly had to break out to a text > console > with Ctrl-Alt-F2 to restart X when I tried Plasma 5. > > > I have not dared to suspend the machine since the KDE Plasma 5 update > > since if the current system doesn't even survive a night of idling, > > how could it possibly survive a suspend+resume cycle? > > Well I don't think suspend/resume should break because of Plasma 5 per se; > each of these are supposed to resume to the same memory state and continue > from there. I'm able to both suspend and hibernate and get back right now; > that's not to say that this works for everybody of course, it's just one > data point. Only way to know if it works for you is to try it. > > >>> I didn't report it yet since I use a locally compiled > >>> plasma-widget-addons with the quick launch widget backported from > >>> plasma 5.5. > >>> > >>> And the volume occasionally jumps up to 100 %, especially when one > >>> clicks on "leave" or does things in System Settings. My neighbors > >>> really love that. > >> > >> I have this "volume jumps to 100%" issue, but in my case it's a > self-made > >> thing -- in my ~/.bashrc I have this: > >> > >># Restore local ALSA mixer settings > >>/usr/sbin/alsactl --file ~/.config/asound.state restore > > > > Not in my case. > > Yes, I assumed not. The main reason I mentioned the above is a) it means > if > I've ever had the same thing happen the data is convoluted with the running > of the alsactrl restore, b) just in case you might have done something > similar and had forgotten (I didn't think this likely). > >-- Chris > > -- > Chris Knadle > chris.kna...@coredump.us > > -- Luc Castermans mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Marc Haber: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 06:56:45PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: >> Marc Haber: >>> On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:31:43PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of work on the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. >>> >>> I still regularly experience plasmashell taking 100 % CPU and needing >>> a kill + restart. This especially happens over night when the machine >>> is idling away in the lock screen. >> >> Hmmm! I normally put my computer to sleep or hibernate for the night, so I >> haven't seen this -- ick. I wouldn't like to find that. > > Actually, the current behavior is a 100 % improvement over August's > state of KDE plasma 5 when it was still a complete crash, needing a > remote login+ kill X to get the machine back after it was left idling > over night. Yeah, a couple of months ago I repeatedly had to break out to a text console with Ctrl-Alt-F2 to restart X when I tried Plasma 5. > I have not dared to suspend the machine since the KDE Plasma 5 update > since if the current system doesn't even survive a night of idling, > how could it possibly survive a suspend+resume cycle? Well I don't think suspend/resume should break because of Plasma 5 per se; each of these are supposed to resume to the same memory state and continue from there. I'm able to both suspend and hibernate and get back right now; that's not to say that this works for everybody of course, it's just one data point. Only way to know if it works for you is to try it. >>> I didn't report it yet since I use a locally compiled >>> plasma-widget-addons with the quick launch widget backported from >>> plasma 5.5. >>> >>> And the volume occasionally jumps up to 100 %, especially when one >>> clicks on "leave" or does things in System Settings. My neighbors >>> really love that. >> >> I have this "volume jumps to 100%" issue, but in my case it's a self-made >> thing -- in my ~/.bashrc I have this: >> >># Restore local ALSA mixer settings >>/usr/sbin/alsactl --file ~/.config/asound.state restore > > Not in my case. Yes, I assumed not. The main reason I mentioned the above is a) it means if I've ever had the same thing happen the data is convoluted with the running of the alsactrl restore, b) just in case you might have done something similar and had forgotten (I didn't think this likely). -- Chris -- Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us
Re: Safe to upgrade?
My experience is not as bad as your comments. It is true that I didn't have KDE in August when surely Plasma 5 was really unstable. But now it is quite stable. I experienced some crashes with KRunner, but not much more. I work all days with KDE both for normal usage and for job-related tasks and is actually stable. Sure there are more work for stabilization but now it is more than usable. I also read that the problem of suspend and resume will be fixed (if not already is) in the Plasma 5.5 version. Greetings. Javier. El Miércoles, 9 de diciembre de 2015 17:56:33 Marc Haber escribió: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 06:56:45PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > > Marc Haber: > > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:31:43PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > > >> However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of work > > >> on > > >> the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. > > > > > > I still regularly experience plasmashell taking 100 % CPU and needing > > > a kill + restart. This especially happens over night when the machine > > > is idling away in the lock screen. > > > > Hmmm! I normally put my computer to sleep or hibernate for the night, so > > I > > haven't seen this -- ick. I wouldn't like to find that. > > Actually, the current behavior is a 100 % improvement over August's > state of KDE plasma 5 when it was still a complete crash, needing a > remote login+ kill X to get the machine back after it was left idling > over night. > > I have not dared to suspend the machine since the KDE Plasma 5 update > since if the current system doesn't even survive a night of idling, > how could it possibly survive a suspend+resume cycle? > > > > I didn't report it yet since I use a locally compiled > > > plasma-widget-addons with the quick launch widget backported from > > > plasma 5.5. > > > > > > And the volume occasionally jumps up to 100 %, especially when one > > > clicks on "leave" or does things in System Settings. My neighbors > > > really love that. > > > > I have this "volume jumps to 100%" issue, but in my case it's a self-made > > > > thing -- in my ~/.bashrc I have this: > ># Restore local ALSA mixer settings > >/usr/sbin/alsactl --file ~/.config/asound.state restore > > Not in my case. > > Greetings > Marc
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 06:56:45PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > Marc Haber: > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:31:43PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > >> However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of work on > >> the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. > > > > I still regularly experience plasmashell taking 100 % CPU and needing > > a kill + restart. This especially happens over night when the machine > > is idling away in the lock screen. > > Hmmm! I normally put my computer to sleep or hibernate for the night, so I > haven't seen this -- ick. I wouldn't like to find that. Actually, the current behavior is a 100 % improvement over August's state of KDE plasma 5 when it was still a complete crash, needing a remote login+ kill X to get the machine back after it was left idling over night. I have not dared to suspend the machine since the KDE Plasma 5 update since if the current system doesn't even survive a night of idling, how could it possibly survive a suspend+resume cycle? > > I didn't report it yet since I use a locally compiled > > plasma-widget-addons with the quick launch widget backported from > > plasma 5.5. > > > > And the volume occasionally jumps up to 100 %, especially when one > > clicks on "leave" or does things in System Settings. My neighbors > > really love that. > > I have this "volume jumps to 100%" issue, but in my case it's a self-made > thing -- in my ~/.bashrc I have this: > ># Restore local ALSA mixer settings >/usr/sbin/alsactl --file ~/.config/asound.state restore Not in my case. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Marc Haber: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:31:43PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: >> However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of work on >> the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. > > I still regularly experience plasmashell taking 100 % CPU and needing > a kill + restart. This especially happens over night when the machine > is idling away in the lock screen. Hmmm! I normally put my computer to sleep or hibernate for the night, so I haven't seen this -- ick. I wouldn't like to find that. > I didn't report it yet since I use a locally compiled > plasma-widget-addons with the quick launch widget backported from > plasma 5.5. > > And the volume occasionally jumps up to 100 %, especially when one > clicks on "leave" or does things in System Settings. My neighbors > really love that. I have this "volume jumps to 100%" issue, but in my case it's a self-made thing -- in my ~/.bashrc I have this: # Restore local ALSA mixer settings /usr/sbin/alsactl --file ~/.config/asound.state restore ... so every time I open up a new terminal window, .bashrc gets invoked and the ALSA mixer settings get reset back to what was last stored. -- Chris -- Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 05:31:43PM +, Chris Knadle wrote: > However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of work on > the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. I still regularly experience plasmashell taking 100 % CPU and needing a kill + restart. This especially happens over night when the machine is idling away in the lock screen. I didn't report it yet since I use a locally compiled plasma-widget-addons with the quick launch widget backported from plasma 5.5. And the volume occasionally jumps up to 100 %, especially when one clicks on "leave" or does things in System Settings. My neighbors really love that. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Hey, Tim. Tim Folger: > Hi, > > I'm running debian testing, with kde version 4.14.2, Given some of the > problems I've seen posted on this list, I've been hesitating to upgrade to > Plasma 5. What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe > to > upgrade? > > Thanks for any input. I've been occasionally trying Plasma 5 for many weeks in Sid/Unstable, so I'll mention some of my observations. Early versions of Plasma 5 were unusable -- far too quirky and unstable for me to want to use. I repeatedly experienced crashes of Konsole, the plasma Panel, crashes that would bring me back to the login screen -- etc. Way too frustrating to use day-to-day. Downgrading to KDE4 wasn't a good option because it required downgrading a lot of other packages, and being that I'm on Sid/Unstable this wasn't a good option -- so I had little choice but to use another Window Manger. I settled on MATE. I tried to use Konsole within MATE because when it works I find Konsole more convenient -- for instance Alt- keyrpesses pass through Konsole for switching channels in Irssi, but get caught by the MATE terminal because in MATE terminal they're shortcuts for switching terminal tabs, and re-assigning those shortcuts doesn't seem to let the keypresses pass through. Unfortunately Konsole under MATE was too unstable to use too. However just within the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of work on the KDE5 packages and Plasma 5 is now usable. I still occasionally have Konsole crash on me, and it as well as SystemSettings reliably Segfault on closing -- but although it's not 100% it's to a point I can tolerate. I've loaded a lot of -dbg packages to try to track down the Segfaults, but so far the results look more confusing than helpful... we'll see how that goes. So before "making the jump", I'd suggest loading up a VM with Debian Testing and trying Plasma 5 that way first. You might find you're able to deal with it (I suspect you might find it okay), but if not it will be a somewhat painful downgrade. -- Chris -- Chris Knadle, DM chris.kna...@coredump.us
Re: Safe to upgrade?
On Monday 07 December 2015 12:39:32 PM Javier Juan Albarracin wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I have recently updated (3 days ago) my Debian testing Plasma 4.14.2 to > Plasma 5 successfully, but it was not trivial. > > First, I tried to do the Plasma 5 upgrade by migrating from stable to > testing and performing the typicall apt-get upgrade && apt-get > dist-upgrade. However, such operations intends to uninstall packages such > as "task-kde-desktop", "kwin", "kde-standard" and so on. I accepted and > obviously the DE brokes after the reboot. I tried to perform the upgrade by > other similar ways (using aptitude instead of apt, etc) and always brokes. > So finally I decided to perform a fresh install of Debian 8.2 WITHOUT any > desktop environment, then install the KDE Desktop through the command line > and it works perfectly! > The steps I followed were: > > 1. Fresh install of Debian 8.2 (stable) WITHOUT Desktop Environment > 2. Change "stable" to "testing" and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && > apt-get dist-upgrade, since you cannot update more your system. Kernel > 4.2.0 is installed at this step. > 3. Follow the instructions of https://wiki.debian.org/KDE to install KDE > desktop > 3.1. apt-get install aptitude tasksel (They are already installed > but ensure it) > 3.2. aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ > > And it works perfectly! Now, Plasma 5 is a little bit "fragile" (I cannot > say "unstable" because it is not true, but it is a little bit fragile). > > Hope it helps! > Regards. > > Javier. Thanks, Javier, for the detailed reply. I'm already running testing, and whenever I upgrade I usually quit the desktop, stop kdm, and upgrade from the command line. I wonder if that will help produce a smoother upgrade experience?
Re: Safe to upgrade?
Hi Tim, I have recently updated (3 days ago) my Debian testing Plasma 4.14.2 to Plasma 5 successfully, but it was not trivial. First, I tried to do the Plasma 5 upgrade by migrating from stable to testing and performing the typicall apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. However, such operations intends to uninstall packages such as "task-kde-desktop", "kwin", "kde-standard" and so on. I accepted and obviously the DE brokes after the reboot. I tried to perform the upgrade by other similar ways (using aptitude instead of apt, etc) and always brokes. So finally I decided to perform a fresh install of Debian 8.2 WITHOUT any desktop environment, then install the KDE Desktop through the command line and it works perfectly! The steps I followed were: 1. Fresh install of Debian 8.2 (stable) WITHOUT Desktop Environment 2. Change "stable" to "testing" and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade, since you cannot update more your system. Kernel 4.2.0 is installed at this step. 3. Follow the instructions of https://wiki.debian.org/KDE to install KDE desktop 3.1. apt-get install aptitude tasksel (They are already installed but ensure it) 3.2. aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ And it works perfectly! Now, Plasma 5 is a little bit "fragile" (I cannot say "unstable" because it is not true, but it is a little bit fragile). Hope it helps! Regards. Javier.
Re: Safe to upgrade?
It is working fine for me. Even my final issue with SDDM is gone, probably due to the updated NVIDIA drivers. Big thank you to the team! Kind regards, Robert On Dec 6, 2015 11:34 PM, "Tim Folger" wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running debian testing, with kde version 4.14.2, Given some of the > problems I've seen posted on this list, I've been hesitating to upgrade to > Plasma 5. What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally > safe to > upgrade? > > Thanks for any input. > > Tim > > >
Safe to upgrade?
Hi, I'm running debian testing, with kde version 4.14.2, Given some of the problems I've seen posted on this list, I've been hesitating to upgrade to Plasma 5. What's the state of plasma 5 now in testing? Is it generally safe to upgrade? Thanks for any input. Tim
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4?
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 12:21:12PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > > Take a look at the docs, especially for the new udev-package, because > > the configuration of hotplug changed. > > If you don't use self-compiled kernel and want ALSA to work, you might want > to > wait till the packages that blacklist stuff changed to the modutils method. AFAIK, I don't think I use ALSA according to apt-get: # apt-get remove alsa-base Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Package alsa-base is not installed, so not removed 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I am using the onboard motherboard's audio (RealTek ALC650 6-channel audio). I am using the default Kernel 2.6.12-K7 from apt-get. -- "What do ants and bees use for cattle?" --Tom /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4?
Am Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 07:04 schrieb Björn Krombholz: > Take a look at the docs, especially for the new udev-package, because > the configuration of hotplug changed. If you don't use self-compiled kernel and want ALSA to work, you might want to wait till the packages that blacklist stuff changed to the modutils method. Actually, the idea of udev was to have something for a specific purpose, just like hotplug for loading modules and running scripts. Currently, Debian's udev maintainer wants udev to be the ultimate userspace thing. Sounds to be like another usage that it was not really designed for :-( And just because they cannot get the damn synchronisation between the two right. HS
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error"
Am Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 10:15 schrieb Phillip Pi: > > Do you've x-window-system (-core) installed? It depends on xserver-org. > > Currently, no: > # apt-get install x-window-core > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > E: Couldn't find package x-window-core The package is called x-windows-system-core. > Do I need this x-window-system? I noticed apt-get wants to remove > xlibmesa-glu packages. Isn't this for 3D stuff like in xscreensavers (not > KDE's screen savers), games, etc.? -- Ever thought about that x.org packages comes with new package names? Never mind such lib packages as they get installed automatically if a program needs it. HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error"
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 09:59:55AM +0200, André Wöbbeking wrote: > On Sunday 09 October 2005 08:58, Phillip Pi wrote: > > > > > > You've to upgrade to Xorg too (at least xserver-xorg). > > > > Ahhh! Isn't Xorg completely different from X11 or is that just a new > > name but still the same thing? > > It's a fork of XFree86 4.3.xxx so it's more or less the same. Ah. > > I wonder why apt-get distupgrade > > didn't see that dependency if I needed it. Weird. > > Do you've x-window-system (-core) installed? It depends on xserver-org. Currently, no: # apt-get install x-window-system Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: lbxproxy libglu1-xorg libxdmcp6 proxymngr twm x-window-system-core xdm xfs xfwp xnest xprint xprint-common xserver-common xserver-xorg xterm xvfb Suggested packages: libglide2 xfonts-cyrillic Recommended packages: discover xresprobe The following packages will be REMOVED: xlibmesa-glu xlibmesa-glu-dev xserver-xfree86 The following NEW packages will be installed: lbxproxy libglu1-xorg libxdmcp6 proxymngr twm x-window-system x-window-system-core xdm xfs xfwp xnest xprint xprint-common xserver-xorg xterm xvfb The following packages will be upgraded: xserver-common 1 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 14.1MB of archives. After unpacking 18.3MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? # apt-get install x-window-core Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package x-window-core Do I need this x-window-system? I noticed apt-get wants to remove xlibmesa-glu packages. Isn't this for 3D stuff like in xscreensavers (not KDE's screen savers), games, etc.? -- "What do ants and bees use for cattle?" --Tom /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error"
On Sunday 09 October 2005 08:58, Phillip Pi wrote: > > > > You've to upgrade to Xorg too (at least xserver-xorg). > > Ahhh! Isn't Xorg completely different from X11 or is that just a new > name but still the same thing? It's a fork of XFree86 4.3.xxx so it's more or less the same. > I wonder why apt-get distupgrade > didn't see that dependency if I needed it. Weird. Do you've x-window-system (-core) installed? It depends on xserver-org. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error"
> > OK, I decided to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but I ran into problems > > in starting X. :( I copied and pasted a copy of my apt-get logs in > > the bottom of the e-mail. I did not see any errors. When I use > > "startx" command (I boot up Linux into text mode; no GUI), startx > > just hangs. I tried with two different non-root accounts. I even > > checked /var/log/XFree86*.log files, but didn't see anything updated. > > I did notice a couple times startx gave me "xinit: Server error." > > > > What's wrong? And how do I fix it? I am still sort of new to Linux > > and this was my first time I ever did a full upgrade that required a > > lot of dependencies. I hope I didn't cause too many damages. I was > > careful to do it outside of X to avoid any conflicts, files in used, > > etc. > > You've to upgrade to Xorg too (at least xserver-xorg). Ahhh! Isn't Xorg completely different from X11 or is that just a new name but still the same thing? I wonder why apt-get distupgrade didn't see that dependency if I needed it. Weird. -- "The antics begin!" --SimAnt Game /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error"
On Sunday 09 October 2005 08:19, Phillip Pi wrote: > OK, I decided to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but I ran into problems > in starting X. :( I copied and pasted a copy of my apt-get logs in > the bottom of the e-mail. I did not see any errors. When I use > "startx" command (I boot up Linux into text mode; no GUI), startx > just hangs. I tried with two different non-root accounts. I even > checked /var/log/XFree86*.log files, but didn't see anything updated. > I did notice a couple times startx gave me "xinit: Server error." > > What's wrong? And how do I fix it? I am still sort of new to Linux > and this was my first time I ever did a full upgrade that required a > lot of dependencies. I hope I didn't cause too many damages. I was > careful to do it outside of X to avoid any conflicts, files in used, > etc. You've to upgrade to Xorg too (at least xserver-xorg). Cherrs, André
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error"
OK, I decided to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but I ran into problems in starting X. :( I copied and pasted a copy of my apt-get logs in the bottom of the e-mail. I did not see any errors. When I use "startx" command (I boot up Linux into text mode; no GUI), startx just hangs. I tried with two different non-root accounts. I even checked /var/log/XFree86*.log files, but didn't see anything updated. I did notice a couple times startx gave me "xinit: Server error." What's wrong? And how do I fix it? I am still sort of new to Linux and this was my first time I ever did a full upgrade that required a lot of dependencies. I hope I didn't cause too many damages. I was careful to do it outside of X to avoid any conflicts, files in used, etc. # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: dbus-qt-1 k3b kcmlinuz kdelibs4 libarts1 libkdenetwork2 libmimelib1a libopenexr2 libqt3c102-mt libtag1 xserver-xfree86 The following NEW packages will be installed: akregator dbus-qt-1c2 kaddressbook kdelibs4c2 kdenetwork-kfile-plugins libarts1c2 libbluetooth1 libflac++5 libgnokii2 libgpgme11 libkcal2b libkdepim1a libkleopatra0a libkmime2 libktnef1 liboggflac3 libopenexr2c2 libqt3-mt libsasl2-modules libsnmp9 libtag1c2 libxcomposite1 libxdamage1 libxfixes3 perl-suid readline-common The following packages will be upgraded: akode ark arts artsbuilder dcoprss guarddog k3blibs kaboodle kappfinder kate kate-plugins kaudiocreator kcalc kcharselect kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelirc kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint kdesktop kdessh kdeutils kdf kdict kdvi kedit kfilereplace kfind kfloppy kgamma kget kghostview kgpg khelpcenter khexedit kicker kicker-applets kiconedit kimagemapeditor kjots klaptopdaemon klinkstatus klipper kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmix kmoon kmrml knewsticker kolourpaint kommander konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete korn kpackage kpager kpdf kpersonalizer kpf kpovmodeler kppp krdc krec kregexpeditor krfb kruler kscd kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers ksig ksim ksirc ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksysv ktimer ktip ktnef ktux kuickshow kuser kview kviewshell kwalletmanager kwifimanager kwin kxsldbg libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libkcddb1 libkonq4 libneon23 libreadline4 libreadline5 librss1 mpeglib noatun noatun-plugins openssh-client openssh-server pinentry-qt qtparted secpolicy vimpart xserver-common 133 upgraded, 26 newly installed, 11 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 98.1MB of archives. After unpacking 5176kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main libbluetooth1 2.19-1 [32.2kB] Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main arts 1.4.2-4 [4590B] Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main librss1 4:3.4.2-3 [50.7kB] Get:4 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main libgnokii2 0.6.8-0.2 [180kB] Get:5 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main libkonq4 4:3.4.2-3 [253kB] Get:6 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main libreadline4 4.3-17 [106kB] Get:7 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main kcontrol 4:3.4.2-3 [7835kB] Get:8 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main libreadline5 5.0-11 [113kB] Get:9 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main readline-common 5.0-11 [48.8kB] Get:10 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main libxcomposite1 6.8.2.dfsg.1-8 [185kB] Get:11 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main libxdamage1 6.8.2.dfsg.1-8 [185kB] Get:12 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main libxfixes3 6.8.2.dfsg.1-8 [188kB] Get:13 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main kwin 4:3.4.2-3 [968kB] Get:14 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main kicker 4:3.4.2-3 [1710kB] Get:15 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main kdebase-data 4:3.4.2-3 [5730kB] Get:16 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main knewsticker 4:3.4.2-3 [445kB] Get:17 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main kopete 4:3.4.2-3 [4369kB] Get:18 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main kwifimanager 4:3.4.2-3 [198kB] Get:19 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main kdenetwork-filesharing 4:3.4.2-3 [605kB] Get:20 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main k3blibs 0.12.4a-3 [898kB]
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4?
2005/10/9, Phillip Pi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I > would like to upgrade > to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not ready weeks ago. Is it > still not ready? [...] > I still run into dependency issues that I am worried about like these: > # apt-get install udev [...] > The following packages will be REMOVED: > hotplug [...] > Note: I think I need hotplug for USB Flash sticks/drives? hotplug support is integrated into udev now. Read udev's changelog for more information. > # apt-get install licq [...] > The following packages will be REMOVED: > licq-plugin-qt [...] > Note: I actually upgraded, and my Licq broke. Install licq-plugin-kde > # apt-get install xserver-common [...] > The following packages will be REMOVED: > xserver-xfree86 [...] > Note: Is this safe? I still XFree86 and NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 with the > latest NVIDIA driver > from nvidia.com. Xorg + nvidia drivers don't work worse than with XFree here. > # apt-get install k3b [...] > The following packages will be REMOVED: [...] > Note: Sounds scary! Removing a lot of stuff too. Nothing is removed but replaced by packages with new names which was necessary because of the C++ compiler transition process. > If it is still not time to do a full upgrade, when will it be? A few more > months? I had no problem with the current KDE so far. At least there seem to be not more bugs than in older KDE packages. ;) Take a look at the docs, especially for the new udev-package, because the configuration of hotplug changed. Björn
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4?
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 12:34:31AM -0400, Silvan wrote: > On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:56 pm, Phillip Pi wrote: > > Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I > > would like to upgrade to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not > > ready weeks ago. Is it still not ready? I had these dependencies: > > If there ever was the promised "it's safe now" message, I never noticed it. > > I finally decided to try for some reason or other, after waiting maybe six > weeks, and it didn't go too badly. I think two or three comparatively minor > things broke, which I had to address by hand. Which things broke? -- "The antics begin!" --SimAnt Game /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4?
On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:56 pm, Phillip Pi wrote: > Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I > would like to upgrade to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not > ready weeks ago. Is it still not ready? I had these dependencies: If there ever was the promised "it's safe now" message, I never noticed it. I finally decided to try for some reason or other, after waiting maybe six weeks, and it didn't go too badly. I think two or three comparatively minor things broke, which I had to address by hand. That was a week or two ago, so chances are good that it's safe to come out now and give it a whirl. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4?
Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I would like to upgrade to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not ready weeks ago. Is it still not ready? I had these dependencies: # apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following packages have been kept back: akode ark arts artsbuilder dcoprss guarddog k3b k3blibs kaboodle kappfinder kate kate-plugins kaudiocreator kcalc kcharselect kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelirc kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint kdesktop kdessh kdeutils kdf kdict kdvi kedit kfilereplace kfind kfloppy kgamma kget kghostview kgpg khelpcenter khexedit kicker kicker-applets kiconedit kimagemapeditor kjots klaptopdaemon klinkstatus klipper kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmix kmoon kmrml knewsticker kolourpaint kommander konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete korn kpackage kpager kpdf kpersonalizer kpf kpovmodeler kppp krdc krec kregexpeditor krfb kruler kscd kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers ksig ksim ksirc ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksysv ktimer ktip ktnef ktux kuickshow kuser kview kviewshell kwalletmanager kwifimanager kwin kxsldbg libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libkcddb1 libkonq4 libneon23 libreadline4 libreadline5 librss1 licq licq-plugin-qt mpeglib noatun noatun-plugins openssh-client openssh-server pinentry-qt qtparted secpolicy udev vimpart wget xserver-common 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 138 not upgraded. I still run into dependency issues that I am worried about like these: # apt-get install udev Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: hotplug The following packages will be upgraded: udev 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 137 not upgraded. Need to get 314kB of archives. After unpacking 291kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n Abort. Note: I think I need hotplug for USB Flash sticks/drives? # apt-get install licq Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libgpgme6 licq-plugin-rms Suggested packages: kmail The following packages will be REMOVED: licq-plugin-qt The following NEW packages will be installed: libgpgme6 licq-plugin-rms The following packages will be upgraded: licq 1 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 to remove and 136 not upgraded. Need to get 740kB of archives. After unpacking 2990kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n Abort. Note: I actually upgraded, and my Licq broke. # apt-get install xserver-common Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Suggested packages: xserver-xorg xserver configlet-frontends The following packages will be REMOVED: xserver-xfree86 The following packages will be upgraded: xserver-common 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 137 not upgraded. Need to get 369kB of archives. After unpacking 16.0MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n Abort. Note: Is this safe? I still XFree86 and NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 with the latest NVIDIA driver from nvidia.com. # apt-get install k3b Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: akode akregator ark arts artsbuilder dbus-qt-1c2 dcoprss guarddog k3blibs kaboodle kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kaudiocreator kcalc kcharselect kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2 kdelirc kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint kdesktop kdessh kdf kdict kdvi kedit kfilereplace kfind kfloppy kgamma kget kghostview kgpg khelpcenter khexedit kicker kicker-applets kiconedit kimagemapeditor kjots klaptopdaemon klinkstatus klipper kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmix kmoon kmrml knewsticker kolourpaint kommander konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete korn kpackage kpager kpdf kpersonalizer kpf kpovmodeler kppp krdc krec kregexpeditor krfb kruler kscd kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers ksig ksim ksirc ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksysv ktimer ktip ktnef ktux kuickshow kuser kview kviewshell kwalletmanager kwifimanager kwin kxsldbg libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libarts1c2 libbluetooth1 libflac++5 libgnokii2 libgpgme11 libgpgme6 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdepim1a libkleopatr
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
I had this problem on a newly installed machine, but I solved it by downgrading kdelibs4 and kdelibs-bin to 3.3.2-6.1. kmail now does not segfault. I await 3.4.1 with interest. David On Saturday 16 July 2005 02:16, Tim Folger wrote: > Has anyone upgraded sid within the last few days without encountering the > segfault with kmail? Does the upgrade still break kmail? > > Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Package stability (was: Re: safe to upgrade sid?)
On Sunday 17 July 2005 11:35 am, Anders Breindahl wrote: ... > All that is well known. The morale is, that I still shouldn't suggest > Unstable to users I help install, and that I really should consider > Testing myself. I assume that such ``errors'' as kmail breaking would be > considered rather important to fix straightaway, if they should emerge in > Testing..? > > Regards, Anders Breindahl. Well, if such an error emerged in testing, it would take even longer to fix, as the fix would first have to go through unstable. This is exactly the reason testing is often considered safer in regard to package stability, though - hopefully all errors such as this will turn up in unstable and therefore the broken package will not make it into testing. Josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Package stability (was: Re: safe to upgrade sid?)
On Saturday 16 July 2005 21:00, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Anders Breindahl [Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:37:40 +0200]: > > It is rather disturbing, that errors in libraries in unstable is not > > prioritized any higher than the ongoing transitions. > > Sorry, but if this fuckup has not been fixed already is because it > can't be fixed without major pain, due to GCC 4 being the default > compiler now. Thanks to those who pointed this out. That had passed my attention. I was merely providing the (thought-up) view of a user, who didn't understand how his or her system broke because of a software update. The frustration is real, but if I worried about stability of packages, I shouldn't have gone with Unstable. I know that fact, but I just didn't know that I worried about the stability of packages. As is, I have become afraid of dist-upgrading: What is going to break this time? And I suppose that I am not the only wannabe-dev, who runs Unstable simply because of the version numbers it supplies. All that is well known. The morale is, that I still shouldn't suggest Unstable to users I help install, and that I really should consider Testing myself. I assume that such ``errors'' as kmail breaking would be considered rather important to fix straightaway, if they should emerge in Testing..? Regards, Anders Breindahl. pgp6LchxHU8Pb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
* Anders Breindahl [Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:37:40 +0200]: > It is rather disturbing, that errors in libraries in unstable is not > prioritized any higher than the ongoing transitions. Sorry, but if this fuckup has not been fixed already is because it can't be fixed without major pain, due to GCC 4 being the default compiler now. HTH, -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 In my opinion, the most fruitful and natural play of the mind is in conversation. I find it sweeter than any other action in life; and if I were forced to choose, I think I would rather lose my sight than my hearing and voice. -- Michel de Montaigne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
On Saturday 16 July 2005 01:37 pm, Anders Breindahl wrote: > On Saturday 16 July 2005 05:11, Josh Metzler wrote: > > There is also the gcc 4.0 transition going on and the xfree86 -> x.org > > transition. The current plan is that qt3 and then kde 3.4 will be > > uploaded once x.org has built on all architectures. I plan to wait on > > upgrading anything x or kde related until kde 3.4 is available, > > assuming that that will indicate the transitions that affect me will > > be made. You may want to do the same. > > It is rather disturbing, that errors in libraries in unstable is not > prioritized any higher than the ongoing transitions. As I understand it, it isn't a matter of priorities, but that it is not possible to get a fixed kdelibs4 3.3.2 packages into sid. Since a number of the libraries that kdelibs depends on have made the gcc 4.0 transition already, kdelibs would be building against a mix of packages compiled with gcc 4.0 and others with 3.3. > You can of course upgrade, but you'll need to manually install the old > kdelibs-packages (-6.1). They'll be upgraded next time too, AFAIK. I did: # echo "kdelibs4 hold" | dpkg --set-selections # echo "kdelibs-data hold" | dpkg --set-selections Then once the transition is over, I will echo "kdelibs4 install" | dpkg --set-selections, and the same for kdelibs-data. That way I don't need to worry about forgetting and upgrading them. > Annoying. But then again, that's ``unstable'' for you. Actually, I haven't said yes to apt-get -u upgrade for a few weeks now, with all the transitions that are going on. I've been picking and choosing individual packages. It is a pain, but I chose it, I guess. Josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
Well, there is a certain logic to it. Sid is explicitly not intended for "production use" (although many, including myself, get away with it without too man problems). So, if given the choice between these two options: - Upgrade package XYZ - Switch to gcc 4 - Recompile/debug package XYZ under gcc 4 - Switch to Xorg - Recompile/debug package XYZ for Xorg -or- - Switch to gcc 4 - Switch to Xorg - Recompile/debug package XYZ for Xorg and gcc 4 It makes perfect sense that the Debian maintainers would go with the option that means less work for them but ends up in the same place in the end. The whole point of Sid is that they make that decision rather than the other way around. That's what "unstable" means in practice: Unsupported, bugs will get fixed when convenient for the maintainer, not when convenient for the user. On Saturday 16 July 2005 12:37 pm, Anders Breindahl wrote: > On Saturday 16 July 2005 05:11, Josh Metzler wrote: > > There is also the gcc 4.0 transition going on and the xfree86 -> x.org > > transition. The current plan is that qt3 and then kde 3.4 will be > > uploaded once x.org has built on all architectures. I plan to wait on > > upgrading anything x or kde related until kde 3.4 is available, assuming > > that that will indicate the transitions that affect me will be made. > > You may want to do the same. > > It is rather disturbing, that errors in libraries in unstable is not > prioritized any higher than the ongoing transitions. > > You can of course upgrade, but you'll need to manually install the old > kdelibs-packages (-6.1). They'll be upgraded next time too, AFAIK. > > Annoying. But then again, that's ``unstable'' for you. > > Regards, Anders Breindahl. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
On Saturday 16 July 2005 05:11, Josh Metzler wrote: > There is also the gcc 4.0 transition going on and the xfree86 -> x.org > transition. The current plan is that qt3 and then kde 3.4 will be > uploaded once x.org has built on all architectures. I plan to wait on > upgrading anything x or kde related until kde 3.4 is available, assuming > that that will indicate the transitions that affect me will be made. You > may want to do the same. It is rather disturbing, that errors in libraries in unstable is not prioritized any higher than the ongoing transitions. You can of course upgrade, but you'll need to manually install the old kdelibs-packages (-6.1). They'll be upgraded next time too, AFAIK. Annoying. But then again, that's ``unstable'' for you. Regards, Anders Breindahl. pgpKci2C1kdoX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
Thanks for the advice, Josh and Larry. I think I will hold off on upgrading. Tim On Friday 15 July 2005 09:11 pm, Josh Metzler wrote: > On Friday 15 July 2005 09:16 pm, Tim Folger wrote: > > Has anyone upgraded sid within the last few days without encountering the > > segfault with kmail? Does the upgrade still break kmail? > > > > Tim > > There hasn't been any change in sid regarding kde libraries or kmail - the > kdelibs version that causes some people kmail segfaults is still there. > So, I would recommend you wait. > > There is also the gcc 4.0 transition going on and the xfree86 -> x.org > transition. The current plan is that qt3 and then kde 3.4 will be uploaded > once x.org has built on all architectures. I plan to wait on upgrading > anything x or kde related until kde 3.4 is available, assuming that that > will indicate the transitions that affect me will be made. You may want to > do the same. > > Josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
On Friday 15 July 2005 09:16 pm, Tim Folger wrote: > Has anyone upgraded sid within the last few days without encountering the > segfault with kmail? Does the upgrade still break kmail? > > Tim There hasn't been any change in sid regarding kde libraries or kmail - the kdelibs version that causes some people kmail segfaults is still there. So, I would recommend you wait. There is also the gcc 4.0 transition going on and the xfree86 -> x.org transition. The current plan is that qt3 and then kde 3.4 will be uploaded once x.org has built on all architectures. I plan to wait on upgrading anything x or kde related until kde 3.4 is available, assuming that that will indicate the transitions that affect me will be made. You may want to do the same. Josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
KMail is behaving itself for me (Sid + Alioth), but right now konq-plugins and kdeaddons are conflicting with each other, even though kdeaddons requires konq-plugins. :-) (I think it's because for some reason apt-get show gives konq-plugins 3.4.0pre2 while apt-get install gives konq-plugins 3.3.something. Not sure why). My sound system is also very jerky all of a sudden. I think at the moment, best advice is to not upgrade Sid until it has settled down more, unless you're fixing a specific problem. (Of course I now have several of my own doing. ) On Friday 15 July 2005 08:16 pm, Tim Folger wrote: > Has anyone upgraded sid within the last few days without encountering the > segfault with kmail? Does the upgrade still break kmail? > > Tim -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
safe to upgrade sid?
Has anyone upgraded sid within the last few days without encountering the segfault with kmail? Does the upgrade still break kmail? Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade testing/sid KDE now?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:27:54AM +0100, Anders Ellensh?j Andersen wrote: > On Wednesday 25 February 2004 05:59, Hereon wrote: > > I have a KDE 3.1.4 on testing/woody, for x86, using pinning to get the > > sid debs, last updated about 2 mos ago. > > Well if you know enough to be able to handle the trouble of keeping a system > in such a weird state, then yes I'd say it's probably safe. No problems > currently as far as I can see. We are all waiting for KDE 3.1.5 to go into > testing from unstable, KDE 3.1.5 has been installable in testing for a few days now. It should be complete in testing (with the exception of kdegraphics on mipsel, which will still be 3.1.4) as of tonight's mirror run. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safe to upgrade testing/sid KDE now?
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 05:59, Hereon wrote: > I have a KDE 3.1.4 on testing/woody, for x86, using pinning to get the > sid debs, last updated about 2 mos ago. Well if you know enough to be able to handle the trouble of keeping a system in such a weird state, then yes I'd say it's probably safe. No problems currently as far as I can see. We are all waiting for KDE 3.1.5 to go into testing from unstable, and as soon as KDE 3.2.1 is released we will eventually want to have that in unstable I'll bet. With all the complaints about KDE 3.2 that is cropping up, I am not seeing that in unstable before 3.2.1 is released. But anyway as far as I know everything is pretty quiet in pure unstable right now. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.5 on Debian GNU/Linux
Re: Safe to upgrade testing/sid KDE now? - OK vs Broken
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:22:47 -0800, "Paul Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:59:03PM -0800, Hereon wrote: > > Is there info available that indicates whether it is "safe" to apt-get > > upgrade a KDE system? [ie, that the upgrade will not result in major > > packages missing, or not working.] > > If you need to ask if it's safe to upgrade to a developer version of > anything, no, it's not safe unless you know what you're doing and can > accept some completely random and possibly severe breakage. Thanks for your prompt reply Paul. :) I don't mean this disrespectfully. I am already aware of what you have said. The reason I included the bracketed section which you included in your reply was to inform potential repliers of what I had in mind in regarding "safe" - in a definitional way. If you know if the debs currently on the mirrors should provide a working, or broken, KDE upgrade [especially from the system I indicated I have], I'd be interested in knowing. Thanks. :) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different
Re: Safe to upgrade testing/sid KDE now?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:59:03PM -0800, Hereon wrote: > Is there info available that indicates whether it is "safe" to apt-get > upgrade a KDE system? [ie, that the upgrade will not result in major > packages missing, or not working.] If you need to ask if it's safe to upgrade to a developer version of anything, no, it's not safe unless you know what you're doing and can accept some completely random and possibly severe breakage. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPD83UzgNqloQMwcRArfDAKCxFuyNRZnnuIkjjNJ3Ylw7VVD2fwCeOSP1 WkaieVdHNa2Nhhfk9Mec9ew= =JhDU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Safe to upgrade testing/sid KDE now?
Is there info available that indicates whether it is "safe" to apt-get upgrade a KDE system? [ie, that the upgrade will not result in major packages missing, or not working.] I have a KDE 3.1.4 on testing/woody, for x86, using pinning to get the sid debs, last updated about 2 mos ago. I saw: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2004/debian-kde-200402/msg00270.html Re: KDE 3.1.5 Status Update - 20040217 where I see: > * Packages that still need to build: > > kdebase 3.1.5-2 > --- > s390- failed? Feb 5 due to buggy (#231972) kernel headers (not yet fixed) So will kdebase 3.1.5 not install & work in x86 also? and : KDE 3.1.5/3.2 Status Update - 20040219 Would it be a nice additional thing to have, to have a "don't_upgrade=broken/ok_to_upgrade" indicator put in the DebianKDE wiki to be used as a simple alert that it is ok to upgrade, or that some things are broken, therefore don't upgrade currently. Also, what is "experimental", mentioned in the above (2/19) email? Thx :) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail...