Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:39:01PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Thiemo Seufer wrote:
> > It will AFAICS break all remaining d-i with 2.4 because those try to
> > install a 2.4 kernel from testing by default.
> > 
> > Frans, Joey, what is your opinion about this?
> 
> I suppose it's a good reason to do a d-i release w/o 2.4 before dropping
> the kernel. (The GPL is another good reason..)
> 
> I hadn't planned to do it that way, and I'd still like to see a decision
> that the kernel really is about to be dropped before removing it from
> d-i.

Who should in your opinion take that decision ? I mean, it has been some time
now since the kernel team announced the 2.4 obsolescence, and that it would be
removed soonishly.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Bug#367570: unknown symbols in sound modules

2006-05-17 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Frederik Schueler wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:47:43PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote:
> > After the upgrade to 2.6.16 (from 2.6.15), I started seeing the
> > following errors during boot:
> 
> rerunning alsaconf fixes this.

No, it doesn't, I'm still seeing these errors during boot after
rerunning alsaconf.

Norbert


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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Joey Hess
Thiemo Seufer wrote:
> It will AFAICS break all remaining d-i with 2.4 because those try to
> install a 2.4 kernel from testing by default.
> 
> Frans, Joey, what is your opinion about this?

I suppose it's a good reason to do a d-i release w/o 2.4 before dropping
the kernel. (The GPL is another good reason..)

I hadn't planned to do it that way, and I'd still like to see a decision
that the kernel really is about to be dropped before removing it from
d-i.

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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 12:26:40AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 May 2006 20:53, Sven Luther wrote:
> > We have metapackages in place, which i believe will take charge of
> > upgrading from the 2.4 to the chosen etch 2.6 kernel. This, as any
> > kernel upgrade, will need a reboot, which is not without risk, but
> > which we should hopefully have ironed out all the major problems by the
> > time of the etch release, so it should be made to be painless (or
> > documented in the release notes).
> 
> Upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 is absolutely not trivial in a lot of cases. See 
> the Sarge release notes for some potential issues users may face.

Well, ok, so we already have a somehwat complete list of issues that the user
can face. Contrary to woody->sarge migration though, where 2.6 kernels where
not the default, we are facing another issue here, and we should take the time
to clearly investigate all those migration problems, and offer a more detailed
set of instructions, or even better, some automated way to do it.

Naturally, udev is a mess, even in the case of 2.6->2.6 upgrades, and we don't
need to handle the case of self built kernels, as the user will probably know
how to handle the upgrade and o it by hand.

We should do a massive upgrade testing from between the freeze and the
release, and provide the best possible way for this. The :

  You are therefore strongly advised not to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel as part of
  the upgrade from woody to sarge. Instead, you should first make sure your
  system works correctly with either the old kernel or with a 2.4 kernel from
  sarge and do the upgrade to a 2.6 kernel later as a separate project.

part of the release note, is not something we can consider now, so this makes
a seamless upgrade all the more important.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Frans Pop wrote:
[snip]
> IMO the question whether 2.4 should be removed now and if so for which 
> architectures is something to be decided between the kernel team and 
> porters.
> If a porter needs more time to switch to 2.6 for the installer, he should 
> probably come up with a migration plan and timeline.
> 
> Purely from a d-i release management point of view, it would be nice if 
> the removal of 2.4 could be delayed until just after the next beta 
> release. The release date for that depends on the progress of AMD64 
> archive migration (it is not yet installable from testing).

Switching d-i reqires stable kernels for all subarchitectures, those
are now mostly done for mips/mipsel. I hope we complete the move to
2.6 in 3-6 weeks.


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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Stephen R Marenka
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 12:24:57AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:

> I could also understand if m68k would keep a 2.4 kernel for a while 
> longer. As it is not a release arch, it might be acceptable for release 
> managers to keep a m68k 2.4 kernel in testing/unstable.
> 2.2 should probably be dropped completely.
> Whether we will be able to keep 2.4 support in d-i if all other 
> architectures have dropped it is uncertain though [1].

The m68k porters just had a discussion about this and we're fine with 
whatever ya'll decide to do. We can always keep some unofficial 
kernels and installers around if necessary.

In other words, don't worry about holding on to any kernels just for us.

I hope to keep some 2.4 and 2.2 support in d-i until we get everything
moved, but I'll try to keep it out of the way or in a branch.

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Bug#365077: linux-2.6: The problem got solved with one of the recent versions

2006-05-17 Thread T
Package: linux-2.6
Followup-For: Bug #365077

The problem vanished with one of the recent versions of 
the kernel-image packages, I cannot reproduce it with 
2.6.16-12.


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  APT policy: (990, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.16-1-686
Locale: LANG=en_US.utf8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8)


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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 20:53, Sven Luther wrote:
> We have metapackages in place, which i believe will take charge of
> upgrading from the 2.4 to the chosen etch 2.6 kernel. This, as any
> kernel upgrade, will need a reboot, which is not without risk, but
> which we should hopefully have ironed out all the major problems by the
> time of the etch release, so it should be made to be painless (or
> documented in the release notes).

Upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 is absolutely not trivial in a lot of cases. See 
the Sarge release notes for some potential issues users may face.


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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 22:12, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
> It will AFAICS break all remaining d-i with 2.4 because those try to
> install a 2.4 kernel from testing by default.

Yes, installs will break to some degree. If no 2.4 kernel is available, 
d-i will display a list of other available kernels (probably 2.6). 
However, crossinstalling kernel versions (i.e. installing running 2.4 
setting up target with 2.6) is not really supported. It will probably 
lead to errors and at least some packages incorrectly installed or 
missing. Full CD installs are of course not affected.

IMO the question whether 2.4 should be removed now and if so for which 
architectures is something to be decided between the kernel team and 
porters.
If a porter needs more time to switch to 2.6 for the installer, he should 
probably come up with a migration plan and timeline.

Purely from a d-i release management point of view, it would be nice if 
the removal of 2.4 could be delayed until just after the next beta 
release. The release date for that depends on the progress of AMD64 
archive migration (it is not yet installable from testing).

Full CD installations using that release could then still install 2.4 and 
we could set completing switches to 2.6 as the main goal for d-i Etch 
RC1.

I could also understand if m68k would keep a 2.4 kernel for a while 
longer. As it is not a release arch, it might be acceptable for release 
managers to keep a m68k 2.4 kernel in testing/unstable.
2.2 should probably be dropped completely.
Whether we will be able to keep 2.4 support in d-i if all other 
architectures have dropped it is uncertain though [1].

Cheers,
FJP

[1] This depends mainly on changes needed to support persistent device 
naming in d-i which is very much needed for Etch.


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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: removing 2.4 from etch/sid]

2006-05-17 Thread Michael Schmitz
> d-i is currently paying (at least some) attention to amiga, atari,
> q40, *vme*, and mac.
>
> Of those, only amiga seems to be ready for a full switch to 2.6. mac
> works on some hardware.

That's been my impression. Christian has been working on 2.6 for Atari
lately though.

> To my knowledge *vme* and atari don't have large followings. Although
> we do have buildds running for those subarchs, I believe they are

Buildds are running _on_ Atari. not for Atari :-)

> running with custom kernels anyway. Atari requires patches not in the
> kernel packages as I recall.

IIRC 2.4.30 worked pretty much out of the box except for the serial driver
(which is crucial for networking ATM). On _my_ CT60 I had to hack a bit
more, but I guess I'm the only one with the CT60 installed on top of a 030
clock booster :-) 2.4 for stock Atari and even CT60 on stock Falcon should
work out of the box.

> So, as long as we're not dropping full support for 2.4 in other
> subsystems, I don't see a problem.

Right. What subsystems might be affected?

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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 07:18:11AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:00PM -0500, dann frazier wrote:
> > I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
> > object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?  
> > 
> > Developers at DebConf have pointed out to me that removing these
> > packages would help avoid confusion/unnecessary bug reports.
> > 
> > The rough consensus was also to continue to support systems for which
> > users have compiled their own 2.4 - if we proceed with this removal,
> > we might ask the release team to explicitly note this in a d-d-a
> > e-mail so that package maintainers do not break 2.4 support if possible.
> 
> How do you plan to handle upgrade from sarge for users that are running
> 2.4 kernel ? What should the release note say about that?

We have metapackages in place, which i believe will take charge of upgrading
from the 2.4 to the chosen etch 2.6 kernel. This, as any kernel upgrade, will
need a reboot, which is not without risk, but which we should hopefully have
ironed out all the major problems by the time of the etch release, so it
should be made to be painless (or documented in the release notes).

If the user had installed a 2.4 kernel without using the metapackages, then
his kernel will not be upgraded, as was his express wish, and all is fine for
everybody.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: removing 2.4 from etch/sid]

2006-05-17 Thread Stephen R Marenka
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 01:03:13PM +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> Does any m68k subarch still need a 2.4 kernel?

d-i is currently paying (at least some) attention to amiga, atari, 
q40, *vme*, and mac.

Of those, only amiga seems to be ready for a full switch to 2.6. mac
works on some hardware. 

We've never really supported q40, so that's not a loss. mac doesn't work
with 2.4, anyway.

To my knowledge *vme* and atari don't have large followings. Although
we do have buildds running for those subarchs, I believe they are
running with custom kernels anyway. Atari requires patches not in the
kernel packages as I recall.

So, as long as we're not dropping full support for 2.4 in other
subsystems, I don't see a problem.

Any one else?

Stephen

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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-17 15:53]:
> > In general, imho 2.4 should be removed from d-i first for each arch,
> > and then after the next beta the 2.4 kernel images can be removed.  We
> > can start with the removal of 2.4 from those architectures which no
> > longer use 2.4 at all (e.g. powerpc).
> 
> Notice that we are not asking removal from d-i, but from the archive
> completely.

I know, but that'll probably break d-i.
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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:57:51AM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * dann frazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-16 17:04]:
> > I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
> > object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?
> 
> For mips/mipsel, there's at least one sub-arch that is not in 2.6 yet.
> It's getting close though, but in the meantime I'd like to keep 2.4.
> 
> For arm, I've recently removed the last bits of 2.4 from d-i and I was
> going to request the removal after the next d-i beta.

> 
> In general, imho 2.4 should be removed from d-i first for each arch,
> and then after the next beta the 2.4 kernel images can be removed.  We
> can start with the removal of 2.4 from those architectures which no
> longer use 2.4 at all (e.g. powerpc).

Notice that we are not asking removal from d-i, but from the archive
completely.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Bug#367570: unknown symbols in sound modules

2006-05-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Frederik Schueler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.05.17.0633 -0500]:
> > After the upgrade to 2.6.16 (from 2.6.15), I started seeing the
> > following errors during boot:
> 
> rerunning alsaconf fixes this.

Fair enough, I am willing to try this, but I've never run alsaconf
before; things have just worked out of the box. How am I supposed to
know to run alsaconf?

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: removing 2.4 from etch/sid]

2006-05-17 Thread Stephen R Marenka
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 07:51:32PM +0200, Michael Schmitz wrote:

> > running with custom kernels anyway. Atari requires patches not in the
> > kernel packages as I recall.
> 
> IIRC 2.4.30 worked pretty much out of the box except for the serial driver
> (which is crucial for networking ATM). On _my_ CT60 I had to hack a bit
> more, but I guess I'm the only one with the CT60 installed on top of a 030
> clock booster :-) 2.4 for stock Atari and even CT60 on stock Falcon should
> work out of the box.

Isn't that stock 2.4.31 or something? I'm not sure that is what is in
the 2.4.27 debian packages. (I could easily be wrong though. ;)

> > So, as long as we're not dropping full support for 2.4 in other
> > subsystems, I don't see a problem.
> 
> Right. What subsystems might be affected?

I think I've heard glibc wants to drop some cruft. I'm sure there are
others.

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kernel bug 2.4.27 (inode.c)?

2006-05-17 Thread Carlos Renan Schick Louzada
Hi developers, 
please to meet you and congratats you for your great work.

Let's go in my question.
I have one box Intel(R) Xeon(TM) 1 CPU 3.06GHz (HT), 2gb ram and one SCSI
storage controller QLogic Corp. QLA2200 64-bit Fibre Channel Adapter running
debian stable (2.4.27 SMP) more Debian HBA Patch actuating like one Network
Area Storage (NAS). This server shares theerteen volumes for more of the 
ninety clients via nfs with the XFS like filesystem. Well in the last days I
needed  to reboot this box because nfs server is stoping to work and I got 
the follow messages in '/var/log/messages'.

---

May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel:  printing eip:
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: c023bd2a
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: Oops: 
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: CPU:0
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: EIP:0010:[linvfs_dentry_to_fh+42/160]  
  
Not tainted
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: eax:    ebx: 000d   ecx: 
dc315ba0   edx: dc315
b80
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: esi: f6221d30   edi: f6221cf0   ebp: 
f6221cb8   esp: f6221
cb8
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: Process nfsd (pid: 389, 
stackpage=f6221000)
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: Stack: c9042da0 f6221cf0  
c0148a21 f6221d20 ea0727
60 f6221d30 c03b9f00 
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel:c01a70cc ea072760 f6221d30 
f6221cf0 0001 dc315b
a0 000d f5ee0b40 
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel:ea072760 f616c204 f34b7232 
c01b1bd5 f6221d20 f5e278
00 ea072760 f616c204 
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: Call Trace:[lookup_hash+65/224] 
[fh_compose+380/848] [
encode_entry+341/608] [nfs3svc_encode_entry_plus+37/48] 
[linvfs_readdir+373/528]
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel:   [vfs_readdir+147/224] 
[nfs3svc_encode_entry_plus+0/48] [
nfsd_readdir+184/400] [nfs3svc_encode_entry_plus+0/48] 
[nfsd3_proc_readdirplus+184/320] [nfs3sv
c_encode_entry_plus+0/48]
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel:   [nfsd_dispatch+169/432] 
[svc_process+872/1441] [nfsd+510
/880] [arch_kernel_thread+35/48] [nfsd+0/880]
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: 
May 10 04:30:29 linpro367nas kernel: Code: 8b 40 08 55 8b 4a 14 51 ff 50 50 8b 
44 24 10 83 fb 0
3 89 06 

May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: kernel BUG at inode.c:1238!
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: invalid operand: 
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: CPU:1
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: EIP:0010:[iput+258/784]Not 
tainted
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: eax: cf006700   ebx: cf006660   ecx: 
0001   edx: 0
003
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: esi:    edi: c03b9f00   ebp: 
f5ede000   esp: f5edf
ef8
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: Process nfsd (pid: 366, 
stackpage=f5edf000)
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: Stack:  e4f971e0 e4f97270 
c0149ec9 cf006660 e4f971
e0 dfe57260 f6187c04 
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel:edb6dd40 c01a9f3e e4f971e0 
edb6dd40 e4f971e0 f61b00
00 000a f6187c94 
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel:f6187c04 c01aeae7 f6187e00 
f6187c04 c000 e2cce0
a8 000a f6187e00 
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: Call Trace:[vfs_unlink+329/560] 
[nfsd_unlink+254/496] 
[nfsd3_proc_remove+103/208] [nfsd_dispatch+169/432] [svc_process+872/1441]
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel:   [nfsd+510/880] 
[arch_kernel_thread+35/48] [nfsd+0/880]
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: 
May 17 09:17:11 linpro367nas kernel: Code: 0f 0b d6 04 d8 08 36 c0 89 5c 24 10 
5b 5e 5f e9 0a e
6 ff ff 

---

What can I do to fix this problem?


Tks.

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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 03:59:40PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-17 15:53]:
> > > In general, imho 2.4 should be removed from d-i first for each arch,
> > > and then after the next beta the 2.4 kernel images can be removed.  We
> > > can start with the removal of 2.4 from those architectures which no
> > > longer use 2.4 at all (e.g. powerpc).
> > 
> > Notice that we are not asking removal from d-i, but from the archive
> > completely.
> 
> I know, but that'll probably break d-i.

Probably yes, altough a two step removal (first from sid, then from etch),
would maybe make this less severe.

Friendly,

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: removing 2.4 from etch/sid]

2006-05-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:47:27AM -0500, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> To my knowledge *vme* and atari don't have large followings.

True.

[...]
> Although we do have buildds running for those subarchs, I believe they
> are running with custom kernels anyway.

Err, no, ska is running a stock Debian kernel. I've stopped compiling
custom kernels a while back.

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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:57:51AM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > * dann frazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-16 17:04]:
> > > I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
> > > object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?
> > 
> > For mips/mipsel, there's at least one sub-arch that is not in 2.6 yet.
> > It's getting close though, but in the meantime I'd like to keep 2.4.
> > 
> > For arm, I've recently removed the last bits of 2.4 from d-i and I was
> > going to request the removal after the next d-i beta.
> 
> > 
> > In general, imho 2.4 should be removed from d-i first for each arch,
> > and then after the next beta the 2.4 kernel images can be removed.  We
> > can start with the removal of 2.4 from those architectures which no
> > longer use 2.4 at all (e.g. powerpc).
> 
> Notice that we are not asking removal from d-i, but from the archive
> completely.

It will AFAICS break all remaining d-i with 2.4 because those try to
install a 2.4 kernel from testing by default.

Frans, Joey, what is your opinion about this?


Thiemo


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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:00PM -0500, dann frazier wrote:
> I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
> object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?  
> 
> Developers at DebConf have pointed out to me that removing these
> packages would help avoid confusion/unnecessary bug reports.
> 
> The rough consensus was also to continue to support systems for which
> users have compiled their own 2.4 - if we proceed with this removal,
> we might ask the release team to explicitly note this in a d-d-a
> e-mail so that package maintainers do not break 2.4 support if possible.

How do you plan to handle upgrade from sarge for users that are running
2.4 kernel ? What should the release note say about that?

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Bug#367570: unknown symbols in sound modules

2006-05-17 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello,

On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:47:43PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote:
> After the upgrade to 2.6.16 (from 2.6.15), I started seeing the
> following errors during boot:

rerunning alsaconf fixes this.


Best regards
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> found 358744 2.6.16-12
Bug#358744: linux-image-2.6.16-1-686: ethernet does not work
Bug marked as found in version 2.6.16-12.

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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
dann frazier wrote:
> I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
> object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?  

Mips/mipsel d-i hasn't fully switched to 2.6 yet. Is there a urgent
need to remove 2.4 from etch?


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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* dann frazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-16 17:04]:
> I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
> object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?

For mips/mipsel, there's at least one sub-arch that is not in 2.6 yet.
It's getting close though, but in the meantime I'd like to keep 2.4.

For arm, I've recently removed the last bits of 2.4 from d-i and I was
going to request the removal after the next d-i beta.

In general, imho 2.4 should be removed from d-i first for each arch,
and then after the next beta the 2.4 kernel images can be removed.  We
can start with the removal of 2.4 from those architectures which no
longer use 2.4 at all (e.g. powerpc).
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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread maximilian attems
On Tue, 16 May 2006, dann frazier wrote:

> I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
> object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?  

full ack.
 
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Re: which kernel version for etch?

2006-05-17 Thread maximilian attems
On Tue, 16 May 2006, dann frazier wrote:



> However, to meet the etch release schedule, we need to begin freezing
> the kernel relatively soon.  I am not sure what those dates are
> though; hopefully this will become more clear after the etch release
> discussion at debconf on Thursday (iirc).

indeed the release schedule impose that.
but releasing with an old frozen kernel has not the same advantage
as the old glibc which still supports the 2.4 kernel line.
so if in the freeze time we get something much better it makes sense
to push that release.
 
> The bit I find interesting about 2.6.16 is that Adrian Bunk has
> proposed maintaining a 2.6.16 branch where new *features* are
> permitted, and it sounds more inline with how 2.4 was maintained once
> 2.5 had forked.  If this happens, it *should* provide a more
> controlled tree than Linus' from which we can pull in updated features
> like atapi, acpi, etc, and continue to sync them into our testing
> kernel until the freeze.  If we could have trivially cherry-picked
> features from 2.6.10 and backported to 2.6.8 before sarge, I think we
> would have; but the number of changesets between the two was so
> immense that we only really considered moving completely to 2.6.10.

2.6.16 has seen major distro stabilisation as seen of the hight nr.
of stable kernel releases. i thus think that it is a good canditate per
se. although i would keep a window open for 2.6.18 if we get it ready
during the freeze and it works better. 2.6.17 is said to be used by
no major distro [1]. for sarge we could have pusshed 2.6.10 if we had
worked earlier on that release. although it was not so easy to rebase
on those times.

i've not seen any bit of that tree yet and there is already a lot
of new features to backport. until that "stable" tree appears talks
are pretty much speculations.

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Re: removing 2.4 from etch/sid

2006-05-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
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>I believe there's a rough consensus to not ship 2.4 in etch.  Anyone
>object to a filing of bugs to remove these packages from etch?  
Please do.

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> reopen 367567
Bug#367567: please remove the md/raid hooks and scripts and let mdadm provide 
them
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> close 367576 1.1.17
Bug#367576: libpaper1: Fix parsing of $LC_PAPER
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I would like to provide /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/md and
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changes without harassing you.

Could you thus please orchestrate with me a release that conflicts
with previous versions of mdadm?

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Source: libpaper
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We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
libpaper, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

libpaper-dev_1.1.17_powerpc.deb
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libpaper-utils_1.1.17_powerpc.deb
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libpaper1_1.1.17_powerpc.deb
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libpaper_1.1.17.dsc
  to pool/main/libp/libpaper/libpaper_1.1.17.dsc
libpaper_1.1.17.tar.gz
  to pool/main/libp/libpaper/libpaper_1.1.17.tar.gz



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Re: [D-I] Preparing for update in stable

2006-05-17 Thread Frans Pop
This is a follow-up to [1] which proposed a plan for the update of D-I 
using the latest kernel update for stable in preparation for Sarge r3.

Follow-ups please in principle _only_ to d-release and d-boot and maybe to 
one of the CCed lists if relevant for them.

On Friday 21 April 2006 02:01, Frans Pop wrote:
> In more detail:
> 1) Upload new i386 kernel udebs for both 2.4 and 2.6 to s-p-u (I've
>already prepared a set)
> 2) Get these acked by SRM so they actually show up in s-p-u; s-p-u
> already has debian-installer sections, I'm not sure if the acceptance
> queue and approval stuff supports udebs though (aj?)
> 3) Try a local build of d-i using a sources.list that has both stable
> and s-p-u in it [1].

After a bit of a wait, stage 2 was completed and I have completed the test 
in stage 3. Building the installer using s-p-u to get kernel udebs worked 
as expected and the mini.iso booted with the correct kernel and ran 
successfully for the first installation steps.

Attached are the patches that are needed in the installer to make use of 
the new kernels. One patch for d-i itself and one for base-installer (for 
alpha). Patches for kernel udeb packages not included as they are 
trivial.

Some comments on the patch for debian-installer:
- AMD64 currently has _no_ kernel updates in their s-p-u Packages file;
  I understand that Joerg Jaspert needs to work on this for AMD64 to be
  included in the r3 point release. It will probably also need work by
  him to get the udebs into the debian-installer section in s-p-u.
- The following architectures have no ABI version in the packages names
  and thus do not need a change in their config files:
  arm, m68k, mips, mipsel
- Powerpc did not have any ABI version in the kernel-image package names,
  but with this release they have been added for 2.6.8 (not for 2.4.27!).
  As there also seem to be (new?) meta-packages, base-installer should
  continue to work.
- The other arches all has an ABI change from 2 to 3.

Request to d-i porters: please check if the changes for your architecture 
are complete.

So, the next steps are:
> 4) If this works, poke^Wask porters to upload updated kernels udebs for
>their arches.

We are going to delay step 4 until the kernel security updates that are 
currently being prepared are available in s-p-u. These do not include an 
ABI change.

> 5) Upload new base-installer.
> 6) Get those uploads acked by SRM.
> 7) Upload d-i and let the buildds do their stuff.

The steps after that are:
8) Prepare necessary updates for debian-cd (if any).
9) Release r3 with very clear communication (debian-announce) that old
   installer images may break and that preferably new images should be
   used. Also communicate that availability of CD images may take up to
   a week.
10) Generate new package lists for debian-cd with new kernel versions.
11) Build and test images for all arches (with porter help).

Cheers,
FJP

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2006/04/msg00122.html
Index: debian/postinst
===
--- debian/postinst	(revision 36545)
+++ debian/postinst	(working copy)
@@ -513,7 +513,7 @@
 		trykernel=kernel-image-$version-$flavor
 	;;
 	alpha)
-		version=2.4.27-2
+		version=2.4.27-3
 		if dmesg | grep -q ^Processors:; then
 			CPUS=`dmesg | grep ^Processors: | cut -d: -f2`
 		else
Index: config/powerpc/power3.cfg
===
--- config/powerpc/power3.cfg	(revision 37370)
+++ config/powerpc/power3.cfg	(working copy)
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 MEDIUM_SUPPORTED = cdrom netboot
 
 # The version of the kernel to use.
-KERNELVERSION = 2.6.8-power3
+KERNELVERSION = 2.6.8-3-power3
 KERNEL_FLAVOUR = di
 KERNELNAME = vmlinux
 KERNELIMAGEVERSION = $(KERNELVERSION)
Index: config/powerpc/powerpc.cfg
===
--- config/powerpc/powerpc.cfg	(revision 37370)
+++ config/powerpc/powerpc.cfg	(working copy)
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 MEDIUM_SUPPORTED = cdrom netboot floppy floppy-2.4 hd-media cdrom-minimal netboot-minimal # monolithic
 
 # The version of the kernel to use.
-KERNELVERSION = 2.6.8-powerpc
+KERNELVERSION = 2.6.8-3-powerpc
 # Targets for 2.4 kernel images will use this version instead.
 KERNELVERSION_2.4 = 2.4.27-powerpc
 KERNEL_FLAVOUR = di
Index: config/powerpc/power4.cfg
===
--- config/powerpc/power4.cfg	(revision 37370)
+++ config/powerpc/power4.cfg	(working copy)
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 MEDIUM_SUPPORTED = cdrom netboot
 
 # The version of the kernel to use.
-KERNELVERSION = 2.6.8-power4
+KERNELVERSION = 2.6.8-3-power4
 KERNEL_FLAVOUR = di
 KERNELNAME = vmlinux
 KERNELIMAGEVERSION = $(KERNELVERSION)
Index: config/alpha.cfg
===
--- config/alpha.cfg	(revision 37370)
+++ config/alpha.cfg	(working copy)
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 MEDIUM_SUPPORTED = cdrom netboot miniiso
 
 #