Re: D-I Etch+1/2 CD images (was: D-I Etch+1/2 kernel selection)

2008-02-07 Thread dann frazier
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:01:53PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
 On Monday 04 February 2008, Frans Pop wrote:
  The required patches for the installer are attached. I have successfully
  tested them using a custom built netinst CD that had both the 2.6.18 and
  2.6.22-686 kernels on it.
 
 The needed changes to D-I have now all been uploaded.
 
  - There has as yet been no discussion about exactly which Etch + Lenny
D-I CD images to create and exactly what should be included on them.
 
 I have just discussed this on #debian-cd with Sledge, and we've come up with 
 the following (rather brilliant) proposal.
 
 Architectures
 =
 Most architectures just do not have the type of hardware changes that will 
 prevent a user from installing with 2.6.18 and then upgrading to 2.6.24 
 after the installation, so for those new installation CDs that use and 
 install the new kernels are really not needed.
 
 We therefore propose to _only_ create etchnhalf installation CDs for:
 - i386
 - amd64
 - any other architectures for which a porter replies to this mail and can
   demonstrate that some hardware that is not supported with the regular
   Etch update, would be supported with the etchnhalf images
 
 Images
 ==
 We don't really want to create a huge number of extra image and certainly 
 not additional full sets. Not only would that waste mirror space, but too 
 many different images will also just confuse users.
 
 Solution we propose is that we only create a netinst image with the 
 etchnhalf installer and kernels. However, this netinst image will be 
 modified in such a way that it can be used as CD 0 of the regular updated 
 Etch full CD and DVD sets.
 This idea makes use of the fact that the D-I Beta1 installer will offer to 
 scan additional CDs if the installation CD is part of a set.
 
 Nice extra is that this also means that the etchnhalf netinst could even 
 be used in combination with Etch CD/DVD sets from previous (point) 
 releases.

Let me try and reiterate some points of your proposal to make sure I
understand. The only install media for etchnhalf will be netinst
cds. These cds will be limited to i386, amd64, and other archs for
which a need is demonstrated.

It sounds good to me - an additional benefit is that it reduces the
number of images we need to test.

-- 
dann frazier


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Re: D-I Etch+1/2 CD images (was: D-I Etch+1/2 kernel selection)

2008-02-07 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 08 February 2008, dann frazier wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:01:53PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
  I have just discussed this on #debian-cd with Sledge, and we've come up
  with the following (rather brilliant) proposal.
[...]

 Let me try and reiterate some points of your proposal to make sure I
 understand. The only install media for etchnhalf will be netinst
 cds. These cds will be limited to i386, amd64, and other archs for
 which a need is demonstrated.

Correct, but I miss one (IMO) important point in the summary.

These netinsts can also be used *in combination with* the full CD/DVD sets 
to install for example the desktop task completely from CD (without using a 
mirror). This is something that is not possible with normal netinst CDs.
That is why I describe the etchnhalf netinst as CD 0 of the full set.


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Re: D-I Etch+1/2 CD images (was: D-I Etch+1/2 kernel selection)

2008-02-06 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 04 February 2008, Frans Pop wrote:
 The required patches for the installer are attached. I have successfully
 tested them using a custom built netinst CD that had both the 2.6.18 and
 2.6.22-686 kernels on it.

The needed changes to D-I have now all been uploaded.

 - There has as yet been no discussion about exactly which Etch + Lenny
   D-I CD images to create and exactly what should be included on them.

I have just discussed this on #debian-cd with Sledge, and we've come up with 
the following (rather brilliant) proposal.

Architectures
=
Most architectures just do not have the type of hardware changes that will 
prevent a user from installing with 2.6.18 and then upgrading to 2.6.24 
after the installation, so for those new installation CDs that use and 
install the new kernels are really not needed.

We therefore propose to _only_ create etchnhalf installation CDs for:
- i386
- amd64
- any other architectures for which a porter replies to this mail and can
  demonstrate that some hardware that is not supported with the regular
  Etch update, would be supported with the etchnhalf images

Images
==
We don't really want to create a huge number of extra image and certainly 
not additional full sets. Not only would that waste mirror space, but too 
many different images will also just confuse users.

Solution we propose is that we only create a netinst image with the 
etchnhalf installer and kernels. However, this netinst image will be 
modified in such a way that it can be used as CD 0 of the regular updated 
Etch full CD and DVD sets.
This idea makes use of the fact that the D-I Beta1 installer will offer to 
scan additional CDs if the installation CD is part of a set.

Nice extra is that this also means that the etchnhalf netinst could even 
be used in combination with Etch CD/DVD sets from previous (point) 
releases.


Note that users of _all_ arches will have the option of using Lenny Beta1 
netboot images to install Etch with the etchnhalf kernels.

Comments welcome.

Cheers,
FJP


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