Re: Non-free postscript code in EPS image
* Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com [120805 02:56]: Are we honestly to believe that this document, the authorship of which is entirely mine, cannot be redistributed by me because Apple holds a copyright to it? That makes no sense whatsoever. The copyright of contents displayed are yours, but not the embedded software needed to display it. Not sure about Apple, but for anything copyrightable by Adobe take a look at their EULAs (all EULA parts quoted here are taken from http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/Gen_WWCombined-MULTI-20111031_1230.pdf), in which there are gems like: | 16.8.1.2 Extended Document means a PDF file manipulated by the | Software to enable the ability to locally save documents with filled-in | PDF forms. | | 16.8.3 For any unique Extended Document Customer may only either (a) | Deploy such Extended Document to an unlimited number of unique | recipients, but Customer shall not extract information or cause the | information to be extracted from more than five hundred (500) unique | instances of such Extended Document or any hardcopy representation of | such Extended Document containing filled form fields; or (b) Deploy such | Extended Document to no more than five hundred (500) unique recipients | without limits on the number of times Customer may extract information | from such Extended Document returned to Customer filled-in by such | recipients. Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, obtaining | additional licenses to use Acrobat Standard, Acrobat Pro, or Adobe | Acrobat Suite shall not increase the foregoing limits (that is, the | foregoing limits are the aggregate total limits regardless of how many | additional licenses to use Acrobat Standard, Acrobat Pro, or Adobe | Acrobat Suite Customer may have obtained). The EULA speaks also about font software (anyone know what that means? is that all fonts or only non-bitmap fonts?): | 16.6 Font Software. If the Software includes font software: | 16.6.1 Customer may use the font software with the Software on Computers | as described in Section 2 and output the font software to any output | device(s) connected to such Computer(s). | 16.6.2 If the Permitted Number of Computers is five (5) or fewer, | Customer may download the font software to the memory (hard disk or RAM) | of one output device connected to at least one of such Computers for the | purpose of having the font software remain resident in such output | device, and of one more such output device for every multiple of five | represented by the Permitted Number of Computers. | 16.6.3 Customer may take a copy of the font(s) Customer has used for a | particular file to a commercial printer or other service bureau, and | such service bureau may use the font(s) to process its file, provided | such service bureau has a valid license to use that particular font | software. | 16.6.4 Customer may embed copies of the font software into its | electronic documents for the purpose of printing, viewing, and editing | the document. No other embedding rights are implied or permitted under | this license. This also does not look like Adobe is of the opinion that an author using Adobe products to produce some documents is free to do with those documents as they please. For embedded postscript libraries Adobe also seems to assert full rights (at least I'd interpret those to be meant with proprietary scripting logic): | 1.9 Software means (a) all of the information with which this | agreement is provided, including but not limited to: (i) all software | files and other computer information; (ii) any proprietary scripting | logic embedded within exported file formats or used in an Adobe Online | Service; (iii) sample and stock photographs, images, sounds, clip art | and other artistic works bundled with Adobe software or made available | by Adobe on Adobe's website for use with the Adobe software and not | obtained from Adobe through a separate service (unless otherwise noted | within that service) or from another party (Content Files); (iv) | related explanatory written materials and files (Documentation); and | (v) fonts; and (b) any modified versions and copies of, and upgrades, | updates, and additions to, such information, provided to Customer by | Adobe at any time, to the extent not provided under separate terms | (collectively, Updates). but unlike example data (Content Files) and fonts, I find nothing in that that EULA that would except those embedded libraries from | 4.2 Use Obligations. Customer agrees that it will not use the Software | other than as permitted by this agreement and that it will not use the | Software in a manner inconsistent with its design or Documentation. | 4.3 No Modifications. Except as expressly permitted in Sections 2 or 16, | Customer may not modify, port, adapt, or translate the Software. Legal disclaimer: I've no idea about how law works exactly and even less what the law in your country is. Get a lawyer if you want more
Re: Non-free postscript code in EPS image
Hello Bernhard R. Link, Am 2012-08-01 00:45:27, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: If someone claims he has a license from Adobe, then well, believe him unless you run into some statement from Adobe that they do not give away any licenses like that. If someone just claims it is under a free license but does not even refer to those parts having a different copyright, then it gets unlikely enough in my eyes that one has to assume the default of the law: no permission at all. I have Adobe Ilustrator (just a standard installation from CD with the legal serialnumber) runing under WINE and if I create an EPS, it has the same header! Does this now mean, I have not the right to distrigbute my work freely? I do not think so, because otherwise Adobe would have any rights on my work! have you ever looked at some EULAs? A quick look at http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/ makes me think this is quite unlikely. (If I read this correctly, some things you are allowed to embed, but only verbatimly and for specific purposes, but the limits are quite absurd and I'm not sure it even gives permission to distribute for all the stuff you find in some postscript files). Hmmm, it does not mather what I do with my Adobe Ilustrator, but the License Header is always there... it seems to be a standard header from the EPS module (export filter). Bernhard R. Link Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Non-free postscript code in EPS image
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 11:59:14PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I have Adobe Ilustrator (just a standard installation from CD with the legal serialnumber) runing under WINE and if I create an EPS, it has the same header! Does this now mean, I have not the right to distrigbute my work freely? I do not think so, because otherwise Adobe would have any rights on my work! You have copyright on your own work. Adobe has copyright on Adobe's work. Hmmm, it does not mather what I do with my Adobe Ilustrator, but the License Header is always there... it seems to be a standard header from the EPS module (export filter). License header or copyright header ? Regards, Bart Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120805221230.gb20...@master.debian.org
Re: Non-free postscript code in EPS image
Hello Bernhard R. Link, Am 2012-08-05 08:59:30, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: | 16.6.3 Customer may take a copy of the font(s) Customer has used for a | particular file to a commercial printer or other service bureau, and | such service bureau may use the font(s) to process its file, provided | such service bureau has a valid license to use that particular font | software. So, if BRL is my customer and bring me a PDF file with embedded Adobe fonts into my printing office, where I use xpdf to print it out, I am screwed, because I have no Adobe License? WTF? This also does not look like Adobe is of the opinion that an author using Adobe products to produce some documents is free to do with those documents as they please. Yes, it seems! Legal disclaimer: I've no idea about how law works exactly and even less what the law in your country is. Get a lawyer if you want more than mere arguments why the situation might not be how we all think it should be in an ideal world. Bernhard R. Link Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Non-free postscript code in EPS image
Hello Bart Martens, Am 2012-08-05 22:12:31, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 11:59:14PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I have Adobe Ilustrator (just a standard installation from CD with the legal serialnumber) runing under WINE and if I create an EPS, it has the same header! Does this now mean, I have not the right to distrigbute my work freely? I do not think so, because otherwise Adobe would have any rights on my work! You have copyright on your own work. Adobe has copyright on Adobe's work. Hmmm, it does not mather what I do with my Adobe Ilustrator, but the License Header is always there... it seems to be a standard header from the EPS module (export filter). License header or copyright header ? Sorry, mean copyright header like the ones from OP. And since there is not written, WHAT is copyrighted, one can think, my WHOLE work is copyrighted by Adobe. Which mean, I have not the right to distribute my own work freely, because there are no infos about the copyright lines and what they are covering. I have made only a big circle on a blank page and saved it as EPS. I have the impression, the copyright Lines mean the Adobe Ilustrator software and nothing more... Regards, Bart Martens Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
