RE: I am still waiting for your mail

[Megane Trumbull]

Hello,

I was expecting you to quickly reply my last mail but you did not, possibly you 
must have been busy. Anyway, I am writing again to let you know that this is 
serious and i am still waiting.

It is so important that I could only turn to you so that I can have your point 
of view over the issue which, unfortunately, you haven't responded till now.

I don't want to seem presurizing, but I plead your indulgence as I will really 
appreciate if we could discuss over my case. You should understand how crucial 
it is for me, because my life and future are astake. 

Awaiting your response, my regards to the whole family,

Megane

Re: your mail

[Steve Langasek]

Hi Jennifer,

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:45:17AM -0400, Jennifer Nielsen wrote:
> I believe my personal, private data( photos, videoing, watching, recording
> audio, etc.) Has been tampered with, and placed on the Debian FTP site,
> without my permission or knowledge. Your copyright permission notice states
> that without permission from me it becomes a copyright, patent issue. I
> believe that money has been involved in distribution of it. If you have
> advice for me or a way to help, I greatly appreciate it! Thank u

I think you must have misunderstood something.  The Debian FTP site is this:

  http://ftp.debian.org/debian/

This site is used to distribute the Debian operating system, which is Free
Software.  No private data is distributed from this site.

-- 
Steve Langasek   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/
slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

Re: Re: your mail

[Anthony Youngman]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 01:51:29PM +0100, Anthony Youngman wrote: >
Sorry, my goof. I shouldn't be sloppy. It's the FSF faq. "Is making and
> using multiple copies within one organization or company
"distribution"? > <> ". As I read that, it's simply saying that the
"you" in the FAQ can > be a company, and as such internal distribution
is just "use" and the > GPL doesn't apply. That makes sense. Then again,
easyco's page says: Local subsidiaries and franchisees are clearly
separate business entities and considered distribution rather than use.
Similarly, provision of non-GPL-compliant copies to independent
contractors under non-GPL terms may constitute unpermitted distribution.
When in doubt, have your attorney review your usage for compliance, or
purchase a commercial QM license. There's a bit of fud in there, and a
bit of sales pitch, but they seem to be leaving the boundaries in the
same place as the fsf. 


I'm not sure. But this is where we get the interaction between copyright
treaties, and national contract law (plus business practice).

I've worked in companies where subsidiaries were simply a convenient
accounting fiction. Internal resources were shared and not apportioned,
etc (especially central computer facilities!). And our definition of an
independent subsidiary is very different from yours ...

As with so much of their faq, it seems to me to depend on contract law.
Except the GPL is not a contract, and the law as it applies to me is
very different from that which applies to them.

(NB - if you were wondering why you can't email my other email address
(the thewolery one), I was wondering similar things. I've sussed it's
probably my anti-spam rules - damn spam! :-(

Cheers,
Wol




This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain 
private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must 
not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, 
disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to 
inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately 
and delete the e-mail from your information system.

Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 8272 5300, 
Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 
2333.

Re: your mail

[Raul Miller]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 01:51:29PM +0100, Anthony Youngman wrote:
> Sorry, my goof. I shouldn't be sloppy. It's the FSF faq. "Is making and
> using multiple copies within one organization or company "distribution"?
> <>  ". As I read that, it's simply saying that the "you" in the FAQ can
> be a company, and as such internal distribution is just "use" and the
> GPL doesn't apply.

That makes sense.

Then again, easyco's page says:

Local subsidiaries and franchisees are clearly separate business
entities and considered distribution rather than use. Similarly,
provision of non-GPL-compliant copies to independent contractors
under non-GPL terms may constitute unpermitted distribution. When
in doubt, have your attorney review your usage for compliance,
or purchase a commercial QM license.

There's a bit of fud in there, and a bit of sales pitch, but they seem
to be leaving the boundaries in the same place as the fsf.

Mind you, in most companies the data is likely a lot more significant
than the code.  Hard coding business secrets into a program likely
indicates a lack of flexibility and is probably a sign that the business
is in trouble.

-- 
Raul

Re: Nathanael - your mail is broken [MAILER-DAEMON@zewt.org: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]

[Nathanael Nerode]

Glenn Maynard wrote:

> Nathanael, my CC to you bounced, because your ISP is using a bullshit
> spam filter.  I'm only forwarding this to make sure that you're aware
> that you're losing legitimate mail because of it.
Yes, I'm in the process of getting a new account.

-- 
This space intentionally left blank.

Nathanael - your mail is broken [MAILER-DAEMON@zewt.org: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]

[Glenn Maynard]

Nathanael, my CC to you bounced, because your ISP is using a bullshit
spam filter.  I'm only forwarding this to make sure that you're aware
that you're losing legitimate mail because of it.

(Please don't tell me to use my ISP's SMTP servers; it's precisely to
avoid Nath-floods, and because ISP admins are so incompetent that they
install these kinds of filters, that I don't.)

-- 
Glenn Maynard
--- Begin Message ---
This is the Postfix program at host h0040333b7dc3.ne.mediaone.net.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host nymx-2.nyroc.rr.com[24.92.226.25] said: 550 5.7.1
Mail Refused - 65.96.98 - See
http://security.rr.com/mail_blocks.htm#security - 20040712 (in reply to
MAIL FROM command)
Reporting-MTA: dns; h0040333b7dc3.ne.mediaone.net
Arrival-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:01:36 -0400 (EDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; neroden@twcny.rr.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host nymx-2.nyroc.rr.com[24.92.226.25] said: 550
5.7.1 Mail Refused - 65.96.98 - See
http://security.rr.com/mail_blocks.htm#security - 20040712 (in reply to
MAIL FROM command)
--- Begin Message ---
(Unrequested CC sent; it just seems like a good idea when sending mails
concerning possible MUA problems ...)

On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 01:16:51PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> You haven't been reading my postings?

I doubt anyone is reading all of your postings, due to your well-known
bad habit of spamming the list with a page of replies to old posts at a
time.  I wouldn't be surprised if some people had you killfiled for it.

This is the fourth post I see from you on this list this month, followed
by about twenty more.  Is your mailer broken and queuing messages for days
at a time, or are you using an offline queue and forgetting to flush it?
(I seriously doubt it, since I've asked you this several times during previous
Nath-spams, and you've never replied with anything like a confirmation,
but in the interests of benefit-of-the-doubt ...)

(I wouldn't bother asking this, since every time I have you've blown me off
or ignored me, as I recall; except that this response seems to indicate
that you think you've been posting even though I see almost all of your
posts *after* this one ...)

-- 
Glenn Maynard
--- End Message ---
--- End Message ---

Re: your mail

[Matthew Palmer]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 11:33:47AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:16:22PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:16:12AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 10:31:02PM -0800, D. Starner wrote:
> > > > > Also, in any sane legal
> > > > > system, it should only affect those users who willingly violate the 
> > > > > licence,
> > > > > even after a cease-and-desist letter, and i would say they deserve 
> > > > > what they
> > > > > get.
> > > > 
> > > > In any sane legal system, the judge is going to find out what's going 
> > > > on from both sides before he even considers dismissing the case. That 
> > > 
> > > Ok, but we are in the case where the defendor is innocent, right ? 
> > 
> > So?  The cost of defending against the suit is still considerable.  And
> > there is no guarantee of being awarded costs even for a frivolous lawsuit,
> > let alone collecting.
> 
> Well, the cost would be mostly the same, but i answered that elsewhere to you.

Same costs to me if brought in Sydney, Australia, as if brought in
Versailles, France?  No way in hell.

> > > > means that the user has to hire a French lawyer to write a response to
> > > > the statement of cause. Unless the judges are omniscient, that's what
> > > > has to happen.
> > > 
> > > What exactly is stopping him from hiring a local lawyer to write the 
> > > statement
> > > and sent it per letter to the judge, and how will it differ from the case
> > > where the court of venue is local to him ? The choice of law is the 
> > > french law
> > > in both case.
> > 
> > It's still very costly.  Here's an example from the US:
> > http://mainsleazespam.com/law/ema.html
> 
> Yeah, but cost in the US and cost elsewhere may not be comparable. And we have
> free legal counsel here. And an instruction judge, which mean that you have to
> somehow convince the judge of the legalities of your claim before the lawsuit
> starts. This would not be the case in the US, i think.

>From memory, there is an initial validity hearing, and I know you can make a
motion for dismissal, but the defendant needs to put in an argument.  Having
your legal aid lawyer turn up and say "not us!" isn't going to cut it, even
in France I imagine.  Your lawyer is going to have to do research, and do it
well enough.

And as I said before, I imagine that France's free legal counsel doesn't
apply to supplying copyright law specialists to foreign nationals on the
other side of the world.  And there's no way I'm relying on some legal aid
hack to dig me out of a copyright lawsuit.

> > Whilst this is America, home of the bullshit lawsuit, I contend that
> > something substantively similar could happen basically anywhere.  It
> > happened in Australia, too, again around the issue of spam, and I think
> > there's been a similar case or two in Europe somewhere.
> 
> Well, the law of australia and US are mostly similar, are they not ? 

Yeah, but the world's becoming a more homogeneous place all the time.

> > > Well, but a tentative to repeteadly harass using lawsuits will probably 
> > > not be
> > > missed by a judge.
> > 
> > s/tentative/tendency/?  Possibly not, but it's not hard to identify this
> > sort of thing if the suits don't come before the same judge.
> 
> No, a try would be more like it ? Also, since the defendor has at least the
> chance of an initial reply, he could very well mention other suits, or tries

The defendant needs to research those attempted cases, assuming they weren't
sealed or otherwise hidden from general view, and the research will cost
money.  Furthermore, I don't see any reason why a judge would necessarily be
willing to hear about other (unrelated) cases when deciding this one.

> of suits, and i thougt there were something about a suit once tried or
> dismissed, you cannot simply go to another judge and try again.

Dismissal with prejudice precludes the same case being brought against the
same defendant, and losing a case at trial does the same, but causing the
defendant to spend lots of money and then giving the suit away is possible.

Also, I'd consider it more likely that a harassing copyright holder would
probably go after different parties each time, which is the basis under
which I've been attacking this issue.

- Matt

Re: your mail

[Sven Luther]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 07:16:22PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:16:12AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 10:31:02PM -0800, D. Starner wrote:
> > > > Also, in any sane legal
> > > > system, it should only affect those users who willingly violate the 
> > > > licence,
> > > > even after a cease-and-desist letter, and i would say they deserve what 
> > > > they
> > > > get.
> > > 
> > > In any sane legal system, the judge is going to find out what's going 
> > > on from both sides before he even considers dismissing the case. That 
> > 
> > Ok, but we are in the case where the defendor is innocent, right ? 
> 
> So?  The cost of defending against the suit is still considerable.  And
> there is no guarantee of being awarded costs even for a frivolous lawsuit,
> let alone collecting.

Well, the cost would be mostly the same, but i answered that elsewhere to you.

> > > means that the user has to hire a French lawyer to write a response to
> > > the statement of cause. Unless the judges are omniscient, that's what
> > > has to happen.
> > 
> > What exactly is stopping him from hiring a local lawyer to write the 
> > statement
> > and sent it per letter to the judge, and how will it differ from the case
> > where the court of venue is local to him ? The choice of law is the french 
> > law
> > in both case.
> 
> It's still very costly.  Here's an example from the US:
> http://mainsleazespam.com/law/ema.html

Yeah, but cost in the US and cost elsewhere may not be comparable. And we have
free legal counsel here. And an instruction judge, which mean that you have to
somehow convince the judge of the legalities of your claim before the lawsuit
starts. This would not be the case in the US, i think.

> Whilst this is America, home of the bullshit lawsuit, I contend that
> something substantively similar could happen basically anywhere.  It
> happened in Australia, too, again around the issue of spam, and I think
> there's been a similar case or two in Europe somewhere.

Well, the law of australia and US are mostly similar, are they not ? 

> > > And let's be honest; a court case may look obvious to us, but few 
> > > judges have ever had a case where an open-sourceish license is 
> > 
> > Well, but a tentative to repeteadly harass using lawsuits will probably not 
> > be
> > missed by a judge.
> 
> s/tentative/tendency/?  Possibly not, but it's not hard to identify this
> sort of thing if the suits don't come before the same judge.

No, a try would be more like it ? Also, since the defendor has at least the
chance of an initial reply, he could very well mention other suits, or tries
of suits, and i thougt there were something about a suit once tried or
dismissed, you cannot simply go to another judge and try again.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: your mail

[Matthew Palmer]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:16:12AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 10:31:02PM -0800, D. Starner wrote:
> > > Also, in any sane legal
> > > system, it should only affect those users who willingly violate the 
> > > licence,
> > > even after a cease-and-desist letter, and i would say they deserve what 
> > > they
> > > get.
> > 
> > In any sane legal system, the judge is going to find out what's going 
> > on from both sides before he even considers dismissing the case. That 
> 
> Ok, but we are in the case where the defendor is innocent, right ? 

So?  The cost of defending against the suit is still considerable.  And
there is no guarantee of being awarded costs even for a frivolous lawsuit,
let alone collecting.

> > means that the user has to hire a French lawyer to write a response to
> > the statement of cause. Unless the judges are omniscient, that's what
> > has to happen.
> 
> What exactly is stopping him from hiring a local lawyer to write the statement
> and sent it per letter to the judge, and how will it differ from the case
> where the court of venue is local to him ? The choice of law is the french law
> in both case.

It's still very costly.  Here's an example from the US:
http://mainsleazespam.com/law/ema.html

Whilst this is America, home of the bullshit lawsuit, I contend that
something substantively similar could happen basically anywhere.  It
happened in Australia, too, again around the issue of spam, and I think
there's been a similar case or two in Europe somewhere.

> > And let's be honest; a court case may look obvious to us, but few 
> > judges have ever had a case where an open-sourceish license is 
> 
> Well, but a tentative to repeteadly harass using lawsuits will probably not be
> missed by a judge.

s/tentative/tendency/?  Possibly not, but it's not hard to identify this
sort of thing if the suits don't come before the same judge.

- Matt

Re: your mail

[Sven Luther]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 10:31:02PM -0800, D. Starner wrote:
> > Also, in any sane legal
> > system, it should only affect those users who willingly violate the licence,
> > even after a cease-and-desist letter, and i would say they deserve what they
> > get.
> 
> In any sane legal system, the judge is going to find out what's going 
> on from both sides before he even considers dismissing the case. That 

Ok, but we are in the case where the defendor is innocent, right ? 

> means that the user has to hire a French lawyer to write a response to
> the statement of cause. Unless the judges are omniscient, that's what
> has to happen.

What exactly is stopping him from hiring a local lawyer to write the statement
and sent it per letter to the judge, and how will it differ from the case
where the court of venue is local to him ? The choice of law is the french law
in both case.

> And let's be honest; a court case may look obvious to us, but few 
> judges have ever had a case where an open-sourceish license is 

Well, but a tentative to repeteadly harass using lawsuits will probably not be
missed by a judge.

> involved, and not many more are familiar with programming and the
> free software community. The judge may need some time to get up
> to speed. 

Well, it may be, but upstream has to frame the accusation, and you get at
least a chance to send a letter defending yourself before it goes in full
motion.

> > In the ocaml case, the upstream authors being a small team of 6-10 people 
> > from the academic world, and wanting to be as unbothered as possible in 
> > all these issues, also may fear the violation of the ocaml licence by 
> > entities such as sun or microsoft, which would gain from the ocaml 
> > technology in both java and C#,
> 
> I understand they fear the use of OCaml code in any non-functional
> programming system, Free or not. In any case, neither Sun or Microsoft
> is probably going to want to copy code from OCaml; they want to copy
> ideas. And that is not protected by copyright law.

Point taken.

> > fear that a court of venue in the US may render any chance of getting
> > justice void, given the money governed US legal system.
> 
> Somehow, I am left unconcerned by the irrational fears of bigots. I'm

Well, is it or is it not so ? In all the software lawsuits i hear about,
including those music-industry against teenage childs, the amount of money
available plays an immediate role in the possibility to defend oneself. If
that is not so, its their own fault they publicize it in that way.

> sure Americans could equally rational worry that a court of venue in 
> France may render any chance of getting justice void, giving the fact
> they are Americans.

I doubt the USians leaving in france would feel the same though.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MAIL

[robert]

This is an automatic email response message
Hello, 
Thank you for inquiring!

You can go to WWW.ADHDRECORDS.COM OR CHOOSE A SITE
 THE WWW.MP3COLONY.COM MUSIC TRAFFIC EXCHANGE
*
PLAY ONLINE GAMES.Uproar Trivia,Sports Trivia,Battleships,
Poker,Dots,Tic Tack Toe, Connect Four, Marbles,
The Genie,Rocket Blaster, Simon Says, and much more coming
http://www.egamesite.com
*
OUR NEW JOKE SITE: 
start your day off right and with a few laughs...
http://www.jokeforu.com
*
Looking for web design,music contracts,letters,forms,software, or help 
marketing your cd's or business to the 
world wide web,we know the web.we have thousands of ebooks 
and web tools for imediate download to help in building 
the pefect web site with flash templates and banners as well. 
we give you the power to build,the power to submit.
The power to design ,the power to sell and much more
THE EPOWERSELL COMPANY, 
http://www.epowersell.com
*
OUR NEW POEM SITE: 
start your day off right and with a few laughs...
http://www.apoembypoe.com
*

OUR MUSIC SEARCH ENGINE:
to search for the any info in  the music industry
at http://www.musicsearch24.com/ 
*
MUSICIANS stop by and place a classified so others can 
find you ,or you can find other ,or if your looking to
buy or sell something
http://www.mp3colony.com
*
Send an E-greeting card today or send a poem by poe 
Read poetry, play games ,listen to music 
Enter contest ,win prizes, and much more at 
A PEN AND A POETunder construction
http://www.adhdrecords.com/cgi-bin/ecards/index.cgi
*
Hey groups and bands! GOT HITS???..YOU WILL... 
As a member of MP3 MUSIC LINK AND TOP SITES..I want to give you 
the first chance to sign up to our new program, THE MP3 COLONY
MUSIC TRAFFIC EXCHANGE. We hope you enjoy the service and promote
it to give you more credits.  It's simple.  Every time you open 
up your browser a new band will be featured and that will earn you a credit. 
Your site will be shown on some one else's computer when they open 
up their browser as well.  To start you off, you will get 200 free 
credits at sign-up.  So you're ahead 200 to your site.  You can also
earn 50 credits by getting another band to sign up.  Once you sign up,
all info will be given to you.

Thank You 
MP3 Colony /ADHD records 
http://www.mp3colony.com/cgi-bin/exchange/main.cgi

*

This E-mail is sent out to all who are in our data base or have sent us mail 
this is an auto responder.
if you wish to be removed please reply to this message and 
in subject state REMOVE. and thou shall be done
*

Thank You
Robert Henriksen
www.adhdrecords.com
www.jokeforu.com
www.egamesite.com
www.mp3colony.com
www.musicsearch24.com
www.thetopsong.com
www.apoembypoe.com
www.ebizteplates.com
www.epowersell.com

Reply on your mail

[Abuse - Planet Media Group]

[English version follows Dutch text]

 DIT IS EEN AUTOMATISCH ANTWOORD 

Dank u voor het inlichten van <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Wij
bevestigen hierbij dat uw mail is ontvangen. Merk op dat het goed mogelijk
is dat u geen persoonlijk antwoord van ons ontvangt, maar alle meldingen
zullen zorgvuldig onderzocht worden, mits ze goed gedocumenteerd zijn. 

Om meldingen goed te kunnen onderzoeken, hebben wij alle beschikbare
informatie nodig. Als u dit niet al gedaan hebt, stuurt u ons dan alsnog
alle informatie toe. Alleen op deze manier is het voor ons mogelijk een zaak
goed te onderzoeken.

In het geval van portscans of hackpogingen, gelieve ons zoveel mogelijk
informatie te sturen, zoals de relevante stukken logfiles van firewall- en
/of scandetectorprogramma's. Probeert u zoveel mogelijk van de volgende
gegevens te sturen:
- De datum waarop de activiteit waarover u melding maakt, heeft
plaatsgevonden.
- Het exacte tijdstip waarop de activiteit waarover u klaagt heeft
plaatsgevonden, tot op de seconde nauwkeurig, inclusief de gebruikte
tijdszone in UTC 
  (In de zomer is de gewone Nederlandse tijd UTC+2 uur, in de winter is dit
UTC+1) van een NTP-gesynchroniseerde klok.
- source IP-adres en source poort.
- destination IP adres en destination poort.
- gebruikte protocol.
- verstuurde of ontvangen data.

In het geval van Usenet-spam of -misbruik, gelieve ons het complete bericht
toe te sturen, inclusief alle headers. Als het bericht een groot non-tekst
(binary) bestand bevat, laat u deze dan liever achterwege. Geeft u in uw
email aan in welke nieuwsgroep(en) u het bericht bezwaarlijk vindt en stuurt
u een link naar het charter (handvest) van die nieuwsgroep(en) waarmee u uw
bezwaar onderbouwt.

In het geval van email-spam of -misbruik, gelieve ons in ieder geval de
complete header te sturen en de inhoud van het bericht (mits relevant).
Zorgt u er ieder geval voor dat alle zogenaamde 'Received' headers aanwezig
en volledig zijn. Dit is belangrijk!

Via  en
 kunt u voor
diverse mailprogramma's aanwijzingen vinden hoe u deze headers kunt
verkrijgen. 

Het IP-adres dat net boven de afzender staat, laat zien via welke provider
het bericht verstuurd is. Begint dit adres met 195.121.xxx.xxx,
213.75.xxx.xxx, 213.10.xxx.xxx, 62.131.xxx.xxx, 80.60.xxx.xxx,
80.61.xxx.xxx, 145.53.xxx.xxx, 81.204.xxx.xxx, 81.205.xxx.xxx,
81.206.xxx.xxx of 81.207.xxx.xxx dan kunt u een melding sturen naar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Betreft het een ander IP-adres, dan
kunnen wij uw melding helaas niet in behandeling nemen, omdat het IP-adres
niet
tot ons domein behoort. U kunt op de volgende internetpagina's nagaan bij
welke provider of welk netwerk het IP-adres hoort:
http://www.fr1.cyberabuse.org/whois/?page=whois
http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html
http://www.apnic.net/search/index.html

Indien u twijfelt aan de herkomst van een bericht, laat u het dan bij
voorkeur analyseren door een online dienst zoals . Dit
is een uitstekende gratis service die in staat is aan de juiste
contactpersonen te rapporteren.

Wij verzoeken u vriendelijk doch dringend:
- GEEN meerdere berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp te sturen.
- GEEN meerdere klachten in een mail te sturen
- GEEN complete logfiles te sturen. Enkel de logregels uit de logfile sturen
die het betreffende IP-adres bevatten
- GEEN attachements te sturen. De Planet Media Group abusedesk accepteert
geen attachements. 
- GEEN geformatteerde tekst te sturen (Word, Excel, etc.).
- GEEN trace routes, whois lookups of ping resultaten te sturen. Dit omdat
deze niet bijdragen aan het onderzoek en enkel resulteren in het onleesbaar
worden
van uw melding. 


Actuele virussen

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.virusalert.nl/?show=virus&id=623&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://virusalert.nl/?show=virus&id=609&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://virusalert.nl/?show=virus&id=608&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.virusalert.nl/?show=virus&id=574
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.virusalert.nl/?show=virus&id=558
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.virusalert.nl/?show=virus&id=546
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.virusalert.nl/?show=virus&id=547

De laatste antivirusupdates zijn te vinden op: 
http://www.planet.nl/planet/show/id=184983/sc=2661f1


[English version]

 THIS IS AN AUTOMATED REPLY 

Thank you for notifying <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. We hereby
acknowledge that your email has been received. Please note that you may not
receive a personal response, but that all cases will be carefully
investigated if properly documented. 

To be able to investigate an abuse case, please make sure you send us as
much information as possible. If you have not already done so, please send
us all information you have. O

Re: Corel (was Re: your mail)

[Ben Pfaff]

Fredrick Paul Eisele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

   Ben Pfaff wrote:
   > 
   > Jeff Noxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
   > 
   >Although I certainly don't mind the suggestion of Corel getting one
   >(many?) developer accounts, I'm not certain I like the idea of voting
   >rights or access to -private...  Just my $0.02.
   > 
   > What's to stop individual Corelers from just becoming full-fledged
   > developers like any other developers?  AFAIK we don't have any rules
   > against developers paid for by commercial interests, it's just that it
   > hasn't happened up to this point.

   Err, Um, So what do most developers do for money?
   [...I'm paid by a company...]

Yes; do they pay you to work on Debian?  My point is that that's rare,
if not unheard of.

Re: Corel (was Re: your mail)

[Fredrick Paul Eisele]

Ben Pfaff wrote:
> 
> Jeff Noxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>Although I certainly don't mind the suggestion of Corel getting one
>(many?) developer accounts, I'm not certain I like the idea of voting
>rights or access to -private...  Just my $0.02.
> 
> What's to stop individual Corelers from just becoming full-fledged
> developers like any other developers?  AFAIK we don't have any rules
> against developers paid for by commercial interests, it's just that it
> hasn't happened up to this point.

Err, Um, So what do most developers do for money?
Are they/you all independently wealthy or is software development 
just a hobby and you all have "real" jobs.
Personally, I work for a "commercial interest".
I thought that the rule was that I follow the letter and
spirit of the Debian Social Contract and that would be sufficient.
Also, as companies typically have official policies I have
taken some time to make sure that they are not in conflict 
with the Social Contract, nonetheless, I am not a lawyer and
feel uneasy about this.  
Should I post my employers policies to "Debian Legal"?
I did discuss my membership with my employer before becoming a 
maintainer, and they had no problems.

I do agree that maybe the voting rules may need to be modified 
but how do you compute dedication to the Social Contract ;-)