Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository

[Ben Hutchings]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:50:49PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you
> > describe.  (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had
> 
> Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in
> the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why
> is it enabled by default) ?
 
- An organisation/site with a private repository or mirror can provide the
  configuration for this as a package or preinstalled file without
  interfering with per-machine configuration
- Non-Debian packages (such as Chrome) can integrate with the usual update
  mechanisms rather than reinventing this wheel
- Mobile users can enable and disable sources in different locations just by
  renaming the files (this is now less important thanks to cdn.debian.net,
  though that is not yet an official service)

Ben.

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Re: RFS: dalle

[Alberto Fernández]

Hi,

I've uploaded a new package for review. Summary:
- Cleaned changelog. Added a thaks to Mònica.
- All source files now have license header (I didn't know
licensecheck ...)
- Email sent to the Pkg-mono-devel mailing list for help, review and
sponsor.
- copyright file changed to DEP5

I've one question about licenses, as author of the software.

I've taken some Apache-2 licensed code on dalle (GPL3). I've ported the
java code to c# (trivial). How do I have to license that files?

Thanks


El dom, 07-11-2010 a las 22:12 +0100, Michael Tautschnig escribió:
> Hi all,
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > 
> > > > > If any other person from the list see a mistake in my review, 
> > > > > "reviews of my review" are welcomed!
> > > > > 
> 
> First of all: Thanks a lot Mònica for reviewing this package. I'd just like to
> add a bit of information:
> 
> - Several files lack license/copyright information. This is essential for 
> making
>   your software freely distributable. You might want to use licensecheck to 
> find
>   them more easily.
> - There is not point in maintaining such a debian/changelog for a not-yet
>   uploaded Debian package (and, in fact, most of these entries don't tell that
>   much). A single entry will suffice this time, although you might want to
>   thank Mònica as well, as suggested in [1].
> - Have you worked your way through the Mono Group Policy [2]?
> 
> > > > 
> > > > Is there someone with experience packaging CLI apps to review the
> > > > package?
> > > 
> 
> I think there is still another review by such a person needed as myself I feel
> unable to check appropriateness of CLI-specific stuff. Alberto, could you 
> please
> review the Mono Group Policy [2] and check whom to contact? There is at least
> the pkg-mono-devel mailing list, and maybe more.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Michael
> 
> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2010/11/msg00084.html
> [2] http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/docs/policy.html
> 



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Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository

[David Kalnischkies]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 19:57, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
 wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote:
>> > The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you
>> > describe.  (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had
>>
>> Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in
>> the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why
>> is it enabled by default) ?
>
> Answering my own question: it was done in response to a valid request for an
> "include" directive for sources.list.
>
> See #66325, which asks for, and provides reasonable reasons for a "include"
> directive... but people got sources.list.d/ instead, which is a lot more
> difficult to keep wraps on.

Working with files is easier for a user (or an application working on request
for the user) to handle than modifying a single file to include/remove
specific sources entries - at least in my eyes.

And in comparison: what about e.g. /etc/ssl/certs ?


If you want to inject something, you can do it both ways - and after all
I can do a lot more in maintainer scripts than adding a sources.list entry,
so "mysteriously" added sources.list entries are not a disease
(or a misfeature of APT to allow it) but a symptom of the widespread
disease of trusting random packages from an unknown sources…


Best regards

David Kalnischkies (with his APT hat speaking)


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Re: RFS: kstars-data-extra-tycho2 (third try)

[Benoît Knecht]

Benoît Knecht wrote:
> Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
> > On Sábado 18 Septiembre 2010 22:38:23 Noel David Torres Taño escribió:
> > > Dear mentors,
> > > 
> > > I am looking for a sponsor for my package "kstars-data-extra-tycho2".
> > > 
> > > * Package name: kstars-data-extra-tycho2
> > >   Version : 1.1r1-1
> > >   Upstream Author : Akarsh Simha, Jason Harris 
> > > * URL :
> > > http://edu.kde.org/kstars/downloads/tycho2_mag_12.5-1.1.tar.bz2
> > > * License : GPL
> 
> Well, as discussed in bug #597202, it's not really clear why the data
> would be GPL.
> 
> [...]

A few more comments:

 - Your debian/docs file is empty; did you mean to add something there,
   like README.source for instance?

 - I don't think you need a patch just to create a Makefile. You can
   achieve the same result with a debian/install file.

 - Your debian/rules contains a typo: "%export DH_VERBOSE=1" instead of
   "#export DH_VERBOSE=1"; I'm also not sure why you're exporting
   DESTDIR.

 - You may want to rephrase the description in debian/control; the
   sentence "Installing this package avoids the need for the users to
   each one download the catalog for itself" sounds wrong (instead of
   "itself", I would write "themselves" or "him/herself"). But something
   like "Installing this package avoids the need for each user to
   individually download the whole catalog " might be even clearer.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

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Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you
> > describe.  (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had
> 
> Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in
> the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why
> is it enabled by default) ?

Answering my own question: it was done in response to a valid request for an
"include" directive for sources.list.

See #66325, which asks for, and provides reasonable reasons for a "include"
directive... but people got sources.list.d/ instead, which is a lot more
difficult to keep wraps on.

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  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


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Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote:
> The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you
> describe.  (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had

Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in
the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why
is it enabled by default) ?

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


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Re: LibreOffice project: request for contributors and mentoring

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, David Nelson wrote:


Hi, :-)

I'm a member of the LibreOffice community. LibreOffice (LibO) is the 
office suite project of The Document Foundation (TDF), the 
community-driven organization that recently forked from the 
Oracle-managed OpenOffice.org project.


TDF/LibO is currently working on its branding and on its artwork for the 
LibreOffice distribution. We are currently very short of GRAPHIC 
ARTISTS.


Notably, right now, we urgently need creative talent to help us design 
artwork for our websites. We need to develop a logo, and - hopefully - a 
MASCOT along the lines of Linux's Tux, to act as a "living" ambassador 
that achieves lasting recognition of our brand and products in people's 
minds.


That's exciting!

I suggest talking to the Fedora Design Team 
 team. Good luck! Feel free to CC: 
me on these efforst if you want; I'm always happy to watch nice people 
interact. (-:


-- Asheesh.

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Re: RFS: kstars-data-extra-tycho2 (third try)

[Benoît Knecht]

Hi Noel,

Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
> On Sábado 18 Septiembre 2010 22:38:23 Noel David Torres Taño escribió:
> > Dear mentors,
> > 
> > I am looking for a sponsor for my package "kstars-data-extra-tycho2".
> > 
> > * Package name: kstars-data-extra-tycho2
> >   Version : 1.1r1-1
> >   Upstream Author : Akarsh Simha, Jason Harris 
> > * URL :
> > http://edu.kde.org/kstars/downloads/tycho2_mag_12.5-1.1.tar.bz2
> > * License : GPL

Well, as discussed in bug #597202, it's not really clear why the data
would be GPL.

The first question is, was the original Tycho 2 catalogue released in
the public domain (or a GPL-compatible license). The ADC statement
doesn't provide much information in that regard; they say that ADC data
is public domain (but go on to say "for scientific use only", which is
quite contradictory), and although they were distributing the Tycho 2
catalogue, I very much doubt they are the copyright holder (that would
be the ESA). So I think you need to track down the real copyright holder
and make sure the data has indeed no copyright.

The second question (which is only relevant if the original data set is
free) is, did Akarsh Simha and Jason Harris modify this original data
set to an extent that would justify a new copyright (did they create an
original work out of it; simply modify the data format or filtering out
some data is not something that would justify a new copyright). If so,
it should be made clear what they did, and the resulting data set can be
released under the GPL with both of them as copyright holders. If not,
then they are not the copyright holders (and if the original data set is
in the public domain, then no one is), and the upstream license should
not be GPL.

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Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository

[Bob Proulx]

PJ Weisberg wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Don't even think of doing this in a package uploaded to Debian.
> 
> Right.  I mentioned it mostly for completness, since it's the answer
> to the question that was actually asked.  I almost added, "I don't
> think any Debian packages actually do this," but I've never looked at
> most of the packages in Debian. :-)

Not part of Debian but packaged for it is the KDE 3.x Trinity project.

  http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/

The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you
describe.  (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had
done.  And once I realized that it did that I resolved not to use such
packages.  If they would do that then what other nasty business would
they include that I didn't find?)

Bob


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Re: RFS: wine (updated package)

[Michael Gilbert]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:03 AM, gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:08:50 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>
>> Would anyone be willing to sponsor an RC-fix upload?  This new wine
>> package fixes bug #602872:
>> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/w/wine
>
> Uploaded to DELAYED/7.
>
> Thanks for your work.

Thank you for taking the time to review my work!

Best wishes,
Mike


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LibreOffice project: request for contributors and mentoring

[David Nelson]

Hi, :-)

I'm a member of the LibreOffice community. LibreOffice (LibO) is the
office suite project of The Document Foundation (TDF), the
community-driven organization that recently forked from the
Oracle-managed OpenOffice.org project.

TDF/LibO is currently working on its branding and on its artwork for
the LibreOffice distribution. We are currently very short of GRAPHIC
ARTISTS.

Notably, right now, we urgently need creative talent to help us design
artwork for our websites. We need to develop a logo, and - hopefully -
a MASCOT along the lines of Linux's Tux, to act as a "living"
ambassador that achieves lasting recognition of our brand and products
in people's minds.

But we also need talent to work on icon sets and other artwork on an
ongoing basis.

A number of Linux distributions have announced their intention to ship
LibreOffice with their future releases. We know that they frequently
do re-branding work to integrate their chosen office suite in lines
with their project's thinking.

So we are keen to involve you in our project branding and development,
so that we ship releases that better fit your needs.

LibreOffice and The Document Foundation could also benefit from
MENTORING and from close and ongoing involvement from established
Linux projects, especially in these early days when we are developing
our infrastructure and organization.

Like you, we passionately value and believe in Free Open Source
software (FOSS).

We very much ask you to get involved in our project and influence our
development. We seek your comments and advice and contributions. For
this, below you will find a number of links as a starting point:

Useful links
===

LibreOffice marketing mailing list: marketing+subscr...@libreoffice.org

The Document Foundation general discussions mailing list:
discuss+subscr...@documentfoundation.org

LibreOffice developers mailing list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice

TDF steering committee discussions mailing list:
steering-discuss+subscr...@documentfoundation.org

LibreOffice user support mailing list: users+subscr...@libreoffice.org

Our Nabble gateway for easy mailing list browsing:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/nabble/

The Document Foundation contacts page:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/

Mail address distributing to all TDF press and media contacts:
i...@documentfoundation.org

LibreOffice dedicated IRC channel: #libreoffice at irc.freenode.net

TDF dedicated IRC channel: #documentfoundation at irc.freenode.net

Follow TDF via @docufoundation on Twitter: http://twitter.com/docufoundation

Follow TDF via @docufoundation on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/docufoundation

Visit the TDF website: http://www.documentfoundation.org


Pages showing the project's work in progress
=

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas


Plus, of course, if necessary, you can contact me, too, at the address
from which this mail was sent, or via this mailing list.

Thank you for your time reading this message. Thank you, also, for
your own valuable work in bringing the world Open Source software.

David Nelson

P.S. Please note that this advocacy is a personal initiative, and is
*not* in any way "official communication" by TDF.


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RFS: kstars-data-extra-tycho2 (third try)

[Noel David Torres Taño]

On Sábado 18 Septiembre 2010 22:38:23 Noel David Torres Taño escribió:
> Dear mentors,
> 
> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "kstars-data-extra-tycho2".
> 
> * Package name: kstars-data-extra-tycho2
>   Version : 1.1r1-1
>   Upstream Author : Akarsh Simha, Jason Harris 
> * URL :
> http://edu.kde.org/kstars/downloads/tycho2_mag_12.5-1.1.tar.bz2
> * License : GPL
>   Section : science
> 
> It builds these binary packages:
> kstars-data-extra-tycho2 - Contains the Tycho2 star catalog for centralized
> (avoiding per-user) install
> 
> The package appears to be lintian clean. Totally clean in source and 4
> overrides in binary (two -I and two --pedantic)
> 
> The upload would fix these bugs: 597202 and is a step in fixing 596007
> 
> My motivation for maintaining this package is: I collaborate in maintaining
> Astronomy classrooms in which several students per computer need to
> download each one the same files. I think that a centralized install is
> better if possible.
> I discussed this in KDE forum in
> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=90166 and want to create Debian
> packages for the other 8 downloadable kstars' extras.
> 
> The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
> - URL:
> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kstars-data-extra-tycho2 -
> Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main
> contrib non-free
> - dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kstars-data-extra-
> tycho2/kstars-data-extra-tycho2_1.1r1-1.dsc
> 
> I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.
> 
> Kind regards
>  Noel David Torres Taño
>  er Envite


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