Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:55:18PM +0100, Xavier Grave wrote: > Then back to "many passes behaviour" OK, it proves we need 1.3.16 for some Power6 machines to work with Squeeze. > Do you need more tests ? If not I'll install the "beast" with the 1.3.16 > yaboot version :) No, it is yours. :] > Thanks again for your work for powerpc port, Thanks for your time. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:20:32AM +0100, Xavier Grave wrote: > I will try to do this before the end of the week. I'd like to avoid a > full reinstall. Does a boot from the CD be enought ? Or do you want/need > a full install ? To see whether the "2-pass" behaviour you got really comes from Yaboot 1.3.13, we would need a full install, as the CD booting always worked in the past. The CDs I built only have the Yaboot release as difference. Your test of them on your Power6 can serve as evidence for the Release Team to get Yaboot 1.3.16 into Squeeze, since we have seen no regression so far on PowerMacs. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 09:01:12PM +0100, nello martuscielli wrote: > only Debian and Gentoo, are you sure? Yeah, and YDL and probably many more, eventhough I doubt they also support 10 other architectures. Sorry if I hurt someone's feelings, but I only think "mainstream" distros. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
Hi Xavier, On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 04:44:22PM +0100, Xavier Grave wrote: > I have tested the > unofficial-debian-squeeze-powerpc-netinst-1-yaboot-1.3.16.iso on the > power6 I have at hand. First of all : no more "two passes behaviour", > ehea module OK. > > Reboot worked perfectly. Thanks to all of you that make it possible ! OK, thanks, nice to know. Can you try the unofficial-debian-squeeze-powerpc-netinst-2-yaboot-1.3.13.iso? It just would be to make sure the culprit for the two-pass behaviour is indeed a too old Yaboot release... Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
Hi Benjamin, On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 08:14:48AM +0100, Benjamin Cama wrote: > Very nice to have an almost official iso! Sure. > Le mardi 14 décembre 2010 à 04:22 +0100, Aurélien GÉRÔME a écrit : > > * yaboot-installer_1.1.19; > > Does this include the amiga partition map renumbering fix? (I'm just > making sure you noticed it) AFAIK, there is no such patch in yaboot-installer. Is there a bug filed in the BTS? > Don't know what they're for. Oh, well… > > * os-prober_1.42; It is used by bootloader installers to detect other OSes available on a system. > > * rootskel_1.93. It is the skeleton root filesystem used by debian-installer. > I tested the 1.3.16 one and report a successful install on a > Powerbook6,8! Thanks for your work. OK, thanks. > BTW, does anyone sometime have a "black screen" problem during install > (particularly when I'm idle), i.e. backlight goes off and there's no way > of getting it back on? I'm asking because my powerbook also seems to > have hardware difficulties power-wise (look like it's going off when > it's pumping too much current; it can't charge anymore while being on, > etc) and I wondered if it was a software issue. I do not have any backlight resume problem on my AlBook G4. I would say your best shot is to try the last known working kernel related to that matter on your machine and successively upgrade to more recent kernels until you hit the one failing. Then you can file a bug on Linux kernel upstream with the precise kernel version or even with the GIT commit if you investigate further... > I didn't follow that thread. Nice to know it's going forward, but I'll > have to add something regarding Milan's work on sysfs-enabled ofpath: > your work is great on this Milan, but is far more intrusive than the > 1.3.16 upgrade, and as I see people more scared of the 1.3.16 transition > as your patched 1.3.13a version, I'm a bit puzzled. Well, if you carefully look, 1.3.16 contains some really superfluous stuff, for a lot of users to my mind, like the "bootonce" stuff which was also broken at one point. However, it is true that most changes in the C code are harmless. > Basically, you wiped away all the old SCSI/SATA detection code. It > didn't work anymore because of /proc/scsi missing, but still, this is > quite a change! Furthermore, you didn't push it upstream, and you wanted > an upload without communicating with anyone here. I am not sure upstream will ever want to include those changes, since so far it seems fine for them to rely on the deprecated /proc/scsi interface. Eventually, it will hit them hard as it did for us and Debian patch (Milan's) will be there to use. Basically, Yaboot upstream maintainers are IBM folks. Knowning that, take into account that IBM pSeries only come with official RedHat support and that RedHat no longer cares about any other machines than pSeries (for reference, see the dropped hfsutils support or the patch with the 256MiB allocated via OF to boot Linux), then you now get that the only remaining distros officially to support "all" Linux/PowerPC machines are Debian and Gentoo. > And the way you introduced it in your answer to Aurélien was > (to me) not the best one. I agree, simply dropping my email address in the Cc field would have got me in the loop, but I hold no hard feelings there, I am very past that point nowadays... > OTOH, Aurélien, your lack of presence, to say the least, during the > previous years didn't help. True, unfortunately, some events in life do not let you choose. > But it'd be very nice if you two could work together to get Milan's > patch into 1.3.16 so that we get best of both words for squeeze. And I > think everyone here would support any special request to get it accepted > into squeeze, if there's people from release team wondering what's going > on with this sudden version change. Milan and I can work together, please feel no worries there. I also think 1.3.16 should go into Squeeze, as it has no regression on PowerMacs, which are the majority of machines for Debian users, and as it is the only one which boots Linux on some pSeries, such as Xavier's Power6. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
Hi Frank, On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:34:12PM +0100, Frank Fegert wrote: > i tried the unofficial-debian-squeeze-powerpc-netinst-1-yaboot-1.3.16.iso > on a p550 Power6+ LPAR, Microcode 01EL350_085_038, dual VIOS. The > install fails at "Install yaboot on a hard disk" with: > > [!!] Install yaboot on a hard disk > No bootstrap partition found > No hard disks were found which have an "Apple_Bootstrap" partition. > You must create an 819200-byte partition with type "Apple_Bootstrap". > > Exiting to a shell shows the following partition layout: > ~ # /target/sbin/sfdisk -l > Disk /dev/sda: 16384 cylinders, 64 heads, 32 sectors/track > Units = cylinders of 1048576 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > Device Boot Start End #cyls#blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 1 10 10 10240 41 PPC PReP Boot > /dev/sda2 11 964 954 976896 83 Linux > /dev/sda3965 16382 15418 15788032 8e Linux LVM > /dev/sda4 0 - 0 00 Empty > > A different LPAR with sid works with a similar partition layout: > sid# sfdisk -l > Disk /dev/sda: 36864 cylinders, 64 heads, 32 sectors/track > Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > Device Boot Start End #cyls#blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 0+ 0 1- 8001 41 PPC PReP Boot > /dev/sda2 1 122 122 979965 83 Linux > /dev/sda312346984576 36756720 8e Linux LVM > /dev/sda4 0 - 0 00 Empty > > The type "Apple_Bootstrap" suggested above is not even available in > the installer menus. Is this the same as "PPC PReP Boot"? No, it is only needed on PowerMacs, but you have a PReP machine, so it should not complain with PPC PReP Boot. It seems hw-detect or yaboot-installer are at fault. Can you issue on the shell "archdetect", "cat /proc/cpuinfo", and post the results? Thanks, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
Hi, I just made 2 unofficial CDs available[1]. Each has a sha512sum signed by my GPG key[2]. One includes yaboot_1.3.13a-1squeeze1 and the other one includes yaboot_1.3.16-2. Both include packages with needed PowerPC fixes for Squeeze: * linux-kernel-di-powerpc-2.6_1.74; * yaboot-installer_1.1.19; * os-prober_1.42; * rootskel_1.93. Please test both of them and tell us about it. If yaboot_1.3.13a-1squeeze1 does not work on some IBM pSeries, it is quite possible that yaboot_1.3.16-2 will and we might be able to get it into Squeeze[3]. Cheers, [1] <http://people.debian.org/~ag/squeeze/> [2] <http://db.debian.org/fetchkey.cgi?fingerprint=2FC3907C20D963EBB234D023236C60C665B4B162> [3] <http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/12/msg00421.html> -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New Yaboot in Sid
Hi Gaudenz, On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 08:08:30PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Nice to see you back doing yaboot work! However this upload is very > unfortunate. Do you still follow debian-devel-announce and do you know > that we are currently in deep-freeze and according to the freeze > exception policy posted by the release team [1] this upload has very > little chance of being accepted into squeeze. I did not see any > consultation with the release team before your upload. Thias means > that the fixes for the RC bugs against yaboot need to go through > testing-proposed-updates and that's not they way the release team > likes things to be done... I knew about the freeze, but I did not see the message from Neil about the deep-freeze. If I did, I would have uploaded it to experimental. I realized now this was a bad idea and I sincerely apologize for that. If I had made that upload 4 months earlier, it would probably have been different. In the case of a downgrading, my first thought was about testing-proposed-updates, seconded by adding an ugly epoch to the package in unstable. I now have plenty of time for Debian and seeing that there was no visible activity on yaboot RC bugs, I decided to resume my task as a DD, as I would hate to see arch:powerpc dropped from the release. > Excerpts from Aurélien GÉRÔME's message of Mit Dez 01 22:48:28 +0100 2010: > > I just updated the Yaboot package in Sid[1] with the latest upstream > > release which works fine on my AlBook G4 with PATA disks. The package > > does not yet contain *new* non-upstream fixes, most notably interesting > > Gentoo & Ubuntu patches relating to PowerMac SATA disks. However, > > another upload will come in the upcoming days, probably with a patched > > yaboot-installer too. If someone has already done some work, please > > do not hesitate to share it as patches on the BTS. Any help on the > > matter is very welcomed. > > I'm currently in the process of sponsoring an NMU from Milan Kupcevic > to fix the yaboot RC bugs. Milan can you add your patches to the BTS? > > What are your plans for yaboot in squeeze? IMO this is at the moment > the most pressing issue. Right now, I am writing some new code in ofpath to make it work on the PowerMacs I have access to. Once I got it to work, I was planning on uploading it early with D-I images for people on this list to test it. Idem for the "UUID" RC bug. Well, now, somehow to fix my rogue upload, we can upload yaboot_1.3.13a to testing-proposed-updates and yaboot_1.3.16 to unstable, each of them fixing the RC bugs, and letting the Release Team decide what to accept. If it is not satisfying having the same version in both Squeeze and Sid, we can do an epoch upload of yaboot_1:1.3.13a to unstable. > Milan is willing to act as a co-maintainer for yaboot. Can you add > him to the alioth project? Sure, he is very welcomed. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Yaboot
Hi Joseph, On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:57:59AM -0500, Joseph Jezak wrote: > Sorry for not playing a larger role in getting this taken care of, I've > been really busy with other things. Sure, no problem. > The code that I posted was not finished, I know. When I posted it to the It is an excellent starting point though. > yaboot mailing list, I was looking for testing and some feedback as to > the approach I took. I have not seen a report of the code breaking where > the old ofpath worked or a good reason to keep the old ofpath code > around besides the fear of breaking things. However, I do also > understand the desire to not rock the boat, especially from Debian's > perspective. > > In any case, if I were to integrate my code with the old ofpath, are > there enough people to test it with any confidence over the new version > I wrote? Does anyone actually want this? What would be the best solution? I actually think it is a good idea, removing the cruft is always possible later. And using the ideas behind your code in an attempt to add sysfs support to the current ofpath seems to be working great so far on the G5, G4, and G3 PowerMacs I have access to. I am more worried about IBM machines though. I could test on Pegasos and Efika, but is anyone really using Yaboot on those? Because, in the past, Sven made SmartFirmware directly load Linux and D-I followed that spirit. I actually think Milan has a great idea to ask for tarballs of device-trees and sysfs info. It would be nice if those could be uploaded to the BTS for public reference and perhaps regression tests. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Yaboot
Hi Milan, On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 02:30:34AM -0500, Milan Kupcevic wrote: > Welcome back. Congratulations, you showed up and right away made it > significantly harder to get fix for 572869 into squeeze. Did you see > this message [1]? Why are you sure the release team will accept any > change in yaboot and yaboot-installer? Yes, I saw it and it is your opinion. Do you find the changes in the new upstream release intrusive? > On 12/01/2010 05:10 PM, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > Same thoughts here. > > > > I'm working on the solution with people who answered my public and > private calls for information and help [3][4], who understand that it > takes more than google/copy/paste to create a fix, and who are actually > devoting many hours of their valuable time and expertise to provide much > needed information to actually fix the RC bug 572869. There has not been any new messages in this thread since October. How do you expect anyone to see the "I'm working on the solution" part? Can you post a status update on #572869? The last one is from July. > Upstream and other distributions simply rely on CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS in > kernel and let the old bad ofpath do the job. But, we can't do it. This > bug is Debian specific [5], we have to rewrite all the tools that relied > on /proc/scsi. I am aware of that, thanks. > The solution is almost production ready. Fully functional install cd > with fixes for #572869, #580455, #572925 and #603981 is created and > already successfully tested on many different Power and PowerPC > machines. I was just waiting for final review and assurance that the > code will actually get into Squeeze before I send final version patches > to the relevant bug reports. Given some time passed and no other messages from you came, I decided to give it a go and I also come up with fixes which I also did not share yet, at least for the machines I have access to. Perhaps we can work together? > But now we have structurally changed yaboot package with the latest > upstream version which fixed exactly one minor Debian bug, and produced > unknown number of yet unknown bugs. Release team was sending out > warnings and memos many times asking developers not to do it during the > Squeeze freeze. I am fully aware of that. However, I trust that this last upstream release is used in Fedora for POWER machines and in Gentoo to some less extent. If it really is a problem, we can downgrade the package in Sid. > Congratulations, No need to get sarcastic there. By the tone at the beginning your mail, I really understood you are pissed off. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Yaboot
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 11:10:51PM +0100, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > When you talk about Joseph's code, do you talk about the changes in the > Gentoo package or something elsewhere (which I have obviously missed)? Replying to myself: <http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/yaboot-devel/attachments/20100916/268a729a/attachment.ksh>. I did not miss it. :] -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Yaboot
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 02:17:01AM +0100, Benjamin Cama wrote: > Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 22:55 +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : > > Sorry, but that's not the way Free Software works. Don't wait for > > others to tell you what to do, show us the code! > > I'm not exactly "waiting" for anyone: I already integrated the latest > yaboot version into the Debian package with some other patches, which > took quite some time. I coded just a bit, though, but I was hoping that > some people would follow. I'm no specialist at all about PPC and stuff, > I did all by myself seeing that almost nobody did anything for some > time. It's just that after some time, seeing you're alone integrating, > coding, patching, fixing bugs in that package, you're a bit discouraged. > There was a lot of people willing to test, but that's only part of the > equation. And I'm not blaming anyone. Benjamin, rest assured your work has been very much appreciated, at least by me. :] > > And what you say is even not true. I already said that I will happily > > sponsor a yaboot upload if it fixes reported RC bugs. This is equally > > valid for all the other relevant packages. Also the release team will > > generally approve uploads that fix RC bugs. They want to release > > Debian after all. > > I don't see what I said that implied that. I know that you offered > sponsoring, thanks, but the thing is, as of today, this "new" yaboot > fixes no RC bug… So I was trying to do one last thing, which is > integrating Joseph's code, before asking for you to sponsor me. This > way, it would at least fix an RC bug and be accepted by the release > team, I hope. My criticism was about not having answers to my questions > about accepting such a package update (minor version change on a package > not updated in years while debian is frozen). It is a very special case and I am pretty much sure that changes to yaboot & yaboot-installer would be accepted to make installation on PowerMacs works. > To fix this problem, other options are replacing ofpath altogether with > Joseph's code, which is too much risky regarding backward compatibility, > I think. Or use ofpathname, which will need some integration work, and > even if it's been more trained than Joseph's code (it's used in GRUB 2), > it could cause some quirks too. But if someone feels like it, let him > code it! When you talk about Joseph's code, do you talk about the changes in the Gentoo package or something elsewhere (which I have obviously missed)? > > Milan Kupcevic sent me a yaboot package for review today. I'll look > > into it tomorrow. So your assumption that there is nothing going on is > > simply wrong. > > Well, I didn't see any message from him here regarding this issue. I > can't guess what people are doing. Seeing this ML's activity recently, I > was under the impression that everyone had let yaboot down. Nice to here > someone is trying to improve it, but I wonder what solution he found. Same thoughts here. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
New Yaboot in Sid
Hi, I just updated the Yaboot package in Sid[1] with the latest upstream release which works fine on my AlBook G4 with PATA disks. The package does not yet contain *new* non-upstream fixes, most notably interesting Gentoo & Ubuntu patches relating to PowerMac SATA disks. However, another upload will come in the upcoming days, probably with a patched yaboot-installer too. If someone has already done some work, please do not hesitate to share it as patches on the BTS. Any help on the matter is very welcomed. Cheers, [1] <http://packages.qa.debian.org/y/yaboot/news/20101201T213232Z.html> -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Yaboot
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:55:58PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Milan Kupcevic sent me a yaboot package for review today. I'll look > into it tomorrow. So your assumption that there is nothing going on is > simply wrong. Hmm... It would have been nice to put the maintainer in Cc... Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Call for testers: new yaboot package release
Hi, On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 01:56:49AM +0200, Benjamin Cama wrote: > So, yaboot in debian is currently suffering from a lot of problems, and > until now we were only talking about it. Here is some code to test it, > now to really see what's still causing problems and what's solved. Good, as I have not been able to squeeze time to get to it. > Still, I may have done some mistakes, and need advices on packaging (I > tried to listen to lintian as much as possible). Can you please produce a standard debian package with quilt patches? It was like that previously and I did not intend to change it. > Message to Aurélien: it would be nice if you could comment on this and > help getting yaboot updated. Uploading that without you would be > painfull, please answer to this email. Please update your debian/changelog, "some fixes" cannot be accepted as a valid changelog entry. This email seems quite a good starting point to fill it. It is also why quilt patches are nice, you can describe each patch in debian/changelog. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Taking over maintainance of yaboot ?
Hi there, On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 02:01:52PM +0200, Benjamin Cama wrote: > Then, updating yaboot to the latest known active development branch > (http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/ ) would help a lot our port to stay alive, as > many have noted that Debian on PPC looks a bit dead from "outside". Indeed, I have been planning to do that for a very long time, but interrupting any Debian activity did not help in the matter. Hopefully, now I can manage some Debian time, so I will update, say this week, the package and any bits of d-i necessary for it to work. Here, I am mainly thinking about RAID, LVM, and crypto installations in yaboot-installer, as upstream did some changes in yaboot about them. I miss some physical 64-bit hardware to test it, mainly access to pSeries, but I guess people on this list will be able to test d-i images before I can submit changes, won't they? Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PowerPC port for the e500 core
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 10:15:36AM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > Well, in case you are interested (I would but I don't have the time) > it seems that Freescale is offering a somwhat cheaper board: > > http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/development-tools/development-tool-hardware/Pages/8133548-P2020RDB-PA.aspx > > > Dual core (not found the frequency) with 1 GB of RAM, still ~$600 (they > could/should have saved on the Ethernet switch, why 6 ports ?), > but the other one is $3500... Nice news! I will probably get one. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PowerPC port for the e500 core
Hi, On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 03:16:02PM +0100, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote: > I have a Lenny snapshot of a new Debian architecture called gnuspe > located at [0]. I haven't announced it anywhere (until now). It is > called gnuspe because the gcc triplet is powerpc-linux-gnuspe-. You did well to announce it there. > Now, I wanted to ask if there are more people that could be interrested > in this port. I am interested in Book-E for quite some time already, but the cost of Freescale evalboards prohibits me from starting a Debian port. I would rather call it "ppce" or "powerpce" which is a bit less confusing than "gnuspe", WRT other architectures. What kind of hardware are you using? Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PowerPC port for the e500 core
Hi, On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:44:54PM +0300, Wartan Hachaturow wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior > wrote: > > ARM, M68K and most MIPS are embedded es well and there is an offical > > Debian port. I don't understand your point. Are you pointing out that > > there will be a tiny user base? > > Well, for sure I can't speak for all the users, but I can forsee > problems setting up a reasonably fast buildd, providing storage space > for a full-blown port and so on. MIPS is already a PITA for the buildd > maintainers, and m68k is no more exactly because of that. However, I > might be wrong :) You are probably misinformed. Debian has powerful mips buildds[1][2][3][4]. Why would they be a PITA to build Debian? You also might want to check [5][6]. As you can see, Freescale PowerQUICC III processors (and later QorIQ processors) are largely sufficient to build Debian natively. Actual mips and powerpc cannot be compared with legacy m68k which is no longer even produced nowadays. The open question is when we will get non-NDA commercial public hardware to play with, because evalboards at $4000 USD do not qualify for an official Debian port. Cheers, [1] <http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=mayer> [2] <http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=mayr> [3] <http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=rem> [4] <http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=ball> [5] <http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC8536E> [6] <http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC8536DSFS.pdf> -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MPC8378E with Debian
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 01:44:26PM +0200, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > I have experience with a MPC8379E. The user-space will run just > fine. You just need to build your own kernel for your specific board. I meant MPC8349E. MPC8379E is for another project and I do not have one yet. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MPC8378E with Debian
Hi, On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 02:34:02PM +0200, Kysilka Radek wrote: > I would like to ask you, if you have any experience with port > Debian on to MPC8378 or MPC8378E. I bought the development kit > MPC837xEMDS and would like to try port Debian on that development > system. I have experience with a MPC8379E. The user-space will run just fine. You just need to build your own kernel for your specific board. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian for PS3?
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 04:00:49PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > If there's an overriding reason to sync it despite our feature freeze, > I'd be happy to review a bug report. Please see <http://bugs.debian.org/438479>, old snapshots are no longer suitable for newer kernels. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian for PS3?
Hi, On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 01:51:39PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > I am interested to know what specifically you think is wrong with > Ubuntu's PS3 packaging. Admittedly we were in a hurry for some of it, > but I'm not aware of any major problems. Perhaps you could elaborate. There is no major problems, hopefully. :) Last time I check (and I rechecked today at FOSDEM), the package[1] is not in sync with upstream[2], has binaries without manpages, and a huge monolithic diff without broken-out patches. [1] <https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/ps3pf-utils> [2] <http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/ps3-utils/> > (kboot is going to be a pretty nasty hack whatever way you slice it, due > to being a boot loader with a built-in Linux kernel. We had to > compromise somewhat due to the current kernel and the kboot code we had > available not being friends.) OK, you made my point for ps3-kboot, I think it could be better done though, but I do not intend to bash Ubuntu in any way. I just have the Debian standards which have been pushed on me through the NM process. :) On a side note, but someway powerpc-related, perhaps you can tell me why you keep a broken device-tree-compiler with wrong versioning in Ubuntu (your 0.1-1 version is actually an old git checkout), while I have an up-to-date package in Debian. I am no Ubuntu core-dev, so I am not allowed to sync it... Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian for PS3?
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 02:59:54PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Speaking about Ubuntu vs. Debian: how difficult is it to get packages that are > in Ubuntu but not in Debian in Debian? Not very difficult, as long as they match Debian quality requirements. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Cbe-oss-dev] Debian for PS3?
Hi, On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 06:00:15PM +0900, Kazunori Asayama wrote: > The recent kboot can interpret yaboot.conf as well as kboot.conf, > and Fedora uses yaboot.conf on PS3. > IIRC, the petitboot, which is a graphical bootloader for PS3, > can also understand yaboot.conf. Arthur (CC'ed) and I also intend to package petitboot from Benjamin Herrenschmidt and Jeremy Kerr, and its dependency libtwin, in the Debootloaders project. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian for PS3?
Hi, On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:09:23PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Although it's been possible to install Debian on PS3 since a long time (cfr. > http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live, or you could just use plain > debootstrap), there's no official support for PS3 in Debian yet. > > So I downloaded debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso (dated 2008-02-20), booted > it using a self-compiled kernel and /install/powerpc/initrd.gz from the ISO > image, and installed Debian on the PS3's hard disk without any glitches! Yes, it is probably more or less working, as Colin Watson committed some Ubuntu PS3 patches in d-i. One person in the installer team is not willing to accept any patches from me though, but as he is no longer in charge, whatever he is saying can probably be ignored. > Hence what's missing? > > - PS3 kernel support > > o Although there's now full PS3 support in plain 2.6.24 (except for > wireless), the 2.6.24 kernel images in sid have PS3 support turned off. > Enabling PS3 support should be a matter of changing the existing > powerpc64 config, or adding a new one. > o A modular kernel may need updates to some scripts to make sure all > required modules are loaded? > o The kernel in debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso is still 2.6.22, but > as I had to compile my own kernel anyway, this doesn't matter much. The kernel team decided that 2.6.24 will enter Lenny, it is globally less buggy than 2.6.22 anyway. I have been given green traffic light in the kernel team to do whatever is needed to get PS3 support working. > - PS3 Boot loader support > > o There's no PS3 bootloader (otheros.bld) in Debian, which means you > have > to use e.g. the one from the PS3 Linux Distributor's Starter Kit. To > include an otheros.bld, e.g. kboot should be packaged, including the > infrastructure to build an otheros.bld. > o Apart from this, there's no support in the installer for setting up > /etc/kboot.conf. > > - PS3 utility packages: > o ps3-utils (new package; an older version is already packaged by Ubuntu > as ps3pf-utils) I intend to package those inside the Debootloaders project with Arthur Loiret (he is CC'ed). We still need to file the official ITP bugs though. Ubuntu already did work on that field, but the quality of their packages is not suitable for Debian, to my mind. We deserve better, so we will have to do better. :] > - Generic Cell support packages: > o New packages (already packaged by Ubuntu): > . ppu-binutils > . ppu-g++ > . ppu-gcc > . ppu-gdb > . ppu-gfortran > . ppu-gnat > . spu-binutils > . spu-g++ > . spu-gcc > . spu-gdb > . spu-gfortran > . spu-newlib > . spu-tools > . cell-gcc-testsuite > . cell-programming-primer > . cell-sdsk > . libspe2 > . libspe2-dev > . libspe2-doc > o Updated packages (already present in Ubuntu): > . spufs support in initscripts (mountkernfs.sh) Arthur is involved in the compiler field (gdc and llvm), and I remember discussing those SPU patches with him, so he will probably be interested in packaging them. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: grub-of unresolvable dependency on powerpc-ibm-utils
Hi, On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 09:32:25PM -0700, Nick Schmalenberger wrote: >I tried to install grub-of 1.95+20070828-2 but it depends on >powerpc-ibm-utils 1.0.6 which does not seem to be available anywhere in >debian. Is this known, is it a typo? I can file a bug report if >necessary. Thanks very much. The package has been ready for quite a while. It is just not uploaded in the archive, as I have no rights to do so and as my powerpc sponsoring force has been expelled from Debian. Thanks for caring, I will try to do something about it this week. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#438504: please help investigate potential gcc / kernel ICE on powerpc32 machines in lenny/sid.
Hi, On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:41:22AM +0200, xavier grave wrote: >The linux 2.6.21 build without problem on my unstable distribution. >The build produced a lot of .deb file with version 2.6.21-2 > >Hope it helped, please fell free to ask me any other tests you think are >relevant. Did you have /proc mounted in your chroot? It seems that it only occurs in chroots without /proc mounted. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#404522: Please update the PowerPC porters list
On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 11:23:11PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > On Monday 25 December 2006 22:55, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > It occurs to me that the list of PowerPC porters is not up-to-date > > in the Debian's Organizational Structure page at [1]. > > > > [1] <http://www.debian.org/intro/organization> > > Changes in the list of (active) porters should probably be discussed on > the debian-powerpc list first. This is fixed from now on, thanks. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Who is actively porting the Debian architectures?
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 11:20:50AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > http://wiki.debian.org/powerpcEtchReleaseRecertification lists the following > people for powerpc (Bastian is missing there): > > Roger Leigh > Alexander Wirt > Sven Luther > Michel Daenzer > Colin Watson > Mark Brown > Holger Levsen > > Given the rumors powerpc would be dead, I suggest to name them all :) The Debian's Organizational Structure page only lists DD. At least, one of them in the previous list is not DD; find the intruder. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: grub2 on powerpc
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:16:02AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > It certainly works--I've used it myself. But there is so much > duplicated, common, code between the ports, it really is asking for > splitting into separate arch-specific and generic parts, rather than > duplicating the entirety for each port. This is the reproach I have against Grub2 (on PowerPC) when Sven and I talk about it: it is not enough mature to become architecture-generic. The last time I dug the code (1 month ago), I found duplicities which disturbed me. :( Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: grub2 on powerpc
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:19:10AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > While ofpathname uses sysfs, and supports a wider range of devices, it > doesn't support partitions on devices (needed by yaboot), and also has > a different output format than yaboot. yaboot would need updating to > support it. IMO ofpathname really does need fixing to support > partitions of devices. Not necessarily, Suse has a patch for Yaboot to circumvent this issue of partitions which I need to adapt a bit to work with ofpathname for Debian. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: grub2 on powerpc
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:24:41AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > ofpathname is part of the ibm-powerpc-utils package (not the same as the > package currently in debian), and Aurelien Gerome is packaging it, since > yaboot also needs it over the kind-of-broken ofpath found in the yaboot code, > so this should be less an issue than you think. This is Bug#386675 (ITP: powerpc-ibm-utils -- Utilities for maintenance of IBM PowerPC platforms) which blocks Bug#377097 (yaboot: ofpath fails on IBM JS21 blades). The powerpc-ibm-utils package will have the same Priority & Section the legacy powerpc-utils package have, i.e. important & utils, and Yaboot will depend on it to use ofpathname. As I understand the importance of it, I will finish it this afternoon. The sooner it enters NEW, the sooner we will benefit of it. ;) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 07:17:06PM -0400, You who does not read others' posts wrote: > There were no Macintosh computers that used the 6502 processors. > The Apple II line of computers used the 8-bit 6502s, but the first > Macintosh machine used the Motorola 68000 processors. By the way, > the 6502s were manufactured by MOS Technologies, not Motorola. :-) My mistake has already been pointed out by someone else days ago, so there is no need to insist on it. I must also add the 6502 has been designed by engineers from Motorola. It misled me... BTW, this is off-topic on a powerpc list. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Nubus machines wanted
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 09:49:48AM +0200, Marc Zyngier wrote: > I have a 8150/100 that sleeps in my basement. And guess what? I'm > located in France (near Rennes). If you want it, just chime in, and > it's yours. Thanks for the kind offer. I will first check my basement as I might have one Nubus machine, not tested though... We keep in touch. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Nubus machines wanted
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 12:59:47AM +0200, Stefan Gartner wrote: > On Saturday, 26. August 2006 23:57, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > In any case, Bulgaria is not so far from France, at least, less far > > than Australia. ;) > > If you're referring to my offer, the machine in question is not in Australia, > but in Austria, which is slightly closer to France, I guess :) Oops, sorry for this, Stefan. My eyes were blurry when I read your mail. It is indeed a better location. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 02:33:31PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > Okay, in that case, I strongly disagree. That would be like saying > > the efforts to get it working until now are worthless. > > No, it would simply be a statement of fact. If d-i cannot be made to > support oldworld powerpc in time for etch despite everyone's work, then > it makes sense to document this. I thought we were talking about dropping it, didn't we? If it is only to document it, saying it does not work properly yet, but will work for etch+1, it is completely fine with me. > > The individual behind debian-installer has already kicked out Sven > > without any concern for the PowerPC port well being. > > If a port cannot survive if one very disruptive and hard to work with > individual is kicked out of one project, then it has *very* big > problems. Well, I am very surprised every times someone says that. Sven is a person with who I work and I really enjoy it. He is very knowledgeable on *PowerPC* hardware, low-level programming, kernel packaging, d-i integration, and he has a global overview and understanding of the Debian PowerPC port. I fail to see another person like him being *currently* active in Debian/PowerPC at several levels and for all these years... Of course, I am sure there were people like this involved in the past. :) > > I sincerely hope I will succeed getting an access to the > > debian-installer SVN repository to work on miboot targets and on > > miboot-installer... > > It's trivial to get access to the d-i svn repository. Simply send > working patches to debian-boot, once we know you and your work you will > be added in short order. It is scheduled, ranting will not serve me anyway and made me felt stupid enough not to ever start again. I still hope not to be treated like Sven was for PowerPC-related work in d-i. We will see in some weeks whether or not I will end up getting bashed on debian-boot... Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Nubus machines wanted
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:44:52AM +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > > > This is also the time for users to post here if you still use Nubus > > and want it to be brought back to life. > > I have a Nubus machine and definitely would love if it is resurrected. > The machine has some hardware problems (Muck OS doesn't boot) which > happened after I bought it and the transportation from another city. > If I fix them, I'll happily donate it to you or the EMILE author. Thanks, it is kind of you. :) > The only problem I see is how to ship it to France (I live in Varna, > Bulgaria)... So far, 2 persons have proposed a machine: a person in Australia and another in England. There is no hurry anyway as I have several things to do before, including the miBoot port on the GNU toolchain... In any case, Bulgaria is not so far from France, at least, less far than Australia. ;) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let me know if you're looking for PowerPC parts
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 02:06:23PM +0200, Michael Schmitz wrote: > > Just for the history record, what was the name of that particular > > list? :) > > Must have been debian-powerpc... for general powerpc topics, we used to > have c.o.l.powerpc - remember when Usenet was the main discussion forum? Indeed, but it was not technically a mailing-list. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let me know if you're looking for PowerPC parts
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 01:56:06PM +0200, Michael Schmitz wrote: > Yep; it's become more of a general ppc users list these days, with a bit > of kernel test reports mixed in. The port is quite mature technically, and > the autobuilder(s) seems to keep up well. > > Anyway, I don't recall much autobuilding discussions on this list in the > past. Feedback on ppc specific packages has always been here. That's all > OK by me. LinuxPPC distribution related discussions had their own list and > stayed there. I'd hope the same eventually happens with Ubuntu. The main PowerPC auto-builder is Voltaire which is a Dual G4 PowerPC 500 MHz administered by DSA nowadays. It seems to run quite reliably. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Nubus machines wanted (was: Re: Let me know if you're looking for PowerPC parts)
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:38:32PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: > I had an 8100/80 running woody - my first Debian/Linux install - and > used it as a server up until a year ago. I offered it on this list but > there were no takers so I gave it to a local school. I could check if > they're using it if you really want it? I'm in London but if we can > work out a way of getting it to you, you'd be welcome to it :) Yes, I am interested in it. England is not so far from France, but there is the Channel between us... Maybe do you appear to cross the EuroTunnel to come next year to the FOSDEM in Bruxelles? ;) > I've also got two G4s (dual 450MHz) running sarge as servers; they're > rock solid and don't require much maintenance. I've had a huge amount > of help from this list and hope that the powerpc arch continues to be > well supported but more recently have spent a lot more time playing with > amd64. Nevertheless, if I can help in some way I will. That said I'm a > user rather than a developer/maintainer. Sure, getting us the machine will be already a great help. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Where can I find the ramdisk image for sarge for Old World Macs?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 04:20:35PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The instruction on > <http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-oldworld> > claim that a ramdisk image named ramdisk.image.gz will be on the first > installation CD, but it isn't. There is one .gz file, but it is not a > ramdisk, I found out the hard way. The file linux.bin is also not there, > but the file vmlinux is a kernel, I found out the hard way. > > Does anyone know where can I find the ramdisk image for Debian 3.1r2 for > Old World Macs? The Sarge installation manual has never been updated to reflect the state of Sarge. What you seek is located under debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/ of your local mirror. All the files there come from the mess which were the Woody boot-floppies. :) On a side note, the StuffIt archive of BootX in that directory contains proprietary binary code... And under a main/ directory? It seems Debian was not so strict in this era. ;) The same is also true for at least the alpha architecture. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Nubus machines wanted (was: Re: Let me know if you're looking for PowerPC parts)
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 04:17:21PM -0700, Harold Johnson wrote: > I don't sell PowerPC parts, nor am I affiliated with any individual or > organization that does. So I hope this isn't perceived as spam. I just > wanted to let you know that if you're looking for PowerPC parts, contact me > and I can direct you to some online resources -- some individual sellers, in > other words, that I have had good experiences with. I am not so inclined to post here, because I do not want to buy anything (especially old hardware), but I take the opportunity to state that I am looking for Nubus machines to renew the Nubus subarch on 2.6 kernels and to port EMILE (the Mac68k bootloader) on Nubus. Preferably, 2 machines: one for Laurent Vivier, the author of EMILE, and one for me. This is also the time for users to post here if you still use Nubus and want it to be brought back to life. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let me know if you're looking for PowerPC parts
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:50:36PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:32 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > There are gentoo people, and mandrake people too, which post here. > > debian-ppc is > > ... abused as ... > > > one of the most (and maybe the most ?) ppc-user mailing > > list on the net, where one can find help from other users and ppc-dev. > > > > On this particular mail one can wonder why here, but I think if > > questions are ppc-related and not distro-related it's ok for everyone to > > post here. > > I strongly disagree, but I know I'm in a minority here... I agree with Yves-Alexis. I am quite happy to read upstream kernel people like Benjamin on this list. Moreover, seeing people from other distros coming here makes me think Debian is also a reference for those people who might as well use Debian in the end, instead of what they planned to use originally. > Once upon a time, this list was actually used for its purpose as > declared on > > http://lists.debian.org/ports.html Just for the history record, what was the name of that particular list? :) > i.e. to discuss technical issues of the Debian powerpc port. Now this > has disappeared almost completely. I can hardly remember the last time a > query from another part of the Debian project about the status of a > certain aspect of the powerpc port was actually answered on this list, > most likely because a large portion if not most of the list traffic is > OT these days, and I think this is very bad. YMMV. Well, for debian-68k, the developing list at nocrew.org is not used anymore. Things evolve and, to my mind, regrouping users and developers might not be a bad thing. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
Hi Harold, First things first, could you stop Cc'ing the bug-report which goes to debian-boot@lists.debian.org and just reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, you will do me a favor. :) Because we are (actually, I am) not welcome in debian-installer. I have virtually (because I believe they can still say something technically interesting aside bothering politics) killfiled 3 people already in Debian (2 are from debian-installer). :( On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 11:20:03AM -0700, Harold Johnson wrote: > Does anyone know of an online tutorial, designed for laymen, on how to > install and use miBoot? I'm tech-savvy but somewhat obtuse when it comes to > compiling and all that, but I can get through the task (which is kind of > fun, actually) once I have enough of a starting point. Unfortunately, I'm > not finding that starting point. Unfortunately, you will not find anything yet. We are still at a reverse-engineering stage. More to come these weeks, I promise. :) > Here are some of the resources I've gathered on installing/using miBoot. > There's the debootloaders index pointed to previously in this thread: > > ftp://alioth.debian.org/pub/debootloaders/miboot/ > > A HOWTO document there appears to be very thorough, for those who know a > thing or two about compiling/building software. Again, I'd gladly follow > this process, if I even knew where to begin. I've performed a "make" and a > "./configure" and a "make install" before, but only by following > step-by-step instructions for building relatively simple pieces of software. It was quickly written by Piotr and it is not usable as-is. It explains why it is not in SVN yet. You can read the miBoot list archives to understand the situation better at <http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debootloaders-miboot/> and of course subscribe. I am working on Debian ready cross-compilers packages for the miBoot package build-dependencies. > > I booted from the CD image I downloaded from the following location: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10972 > > The image I selected was "miBoot image, Linux kernel 2.4.27 (incl. Debian > Sarge installer)". This is able to boot my PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet 2", but > only for a few seconds before the menu goes kaput. Examining the image more > closely today, I've found that the CD is intended to boot NuBus PowerMacs; > my PowerBook is an OldWorld, so it won't work for my machine. Very interesting URL for Nubus, of course... I will look at it more throughly... > Then there's the floppy images (also mentioned previously on this list), > which I'm now going to try: > > http://people.debian.org/~wouter/d-i/powerpc-miboot/daily/powerpc/floppy/ > > Still, I have to figure out how to make the physical floppies out of these > images. That I'm sure I can figure out, but it's unclear to me whether they > are intended to work for my particular setup (an OldWorld PowerBook G3 > "Wallstreet"). What you seek, I think, is how to produce those floppy images. If it is the case, the code you seek is in the debian-installer SVN repository: <http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/>. The one the d-i folks do not want me to touch, even if I am part of the new miBoot developers team... It is their win and my loss, I cannot help it. ;) > Again, my purpose in this message is to inquire about some generally > easy-to-follow documentation any of you may know of regarding how to install > and use miBoot, so that I may then install and use Debian on my OldWorld > PowerBook. I've searched the web using a variety of search engines, and > though there is certainly some information out there, much of the resources > I've stumbled onto are difficult for the non-programmer to understand. I > would be willing to compose a layman's version of the steps required to get > miBoot going, but I need to first understand how to install and use it > myself. I understand perfectly what you want as it is our purpose, but it is not possible for now. :) Thanks for your support, it is really appreciated. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 03:15:21PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> please don't cc: me - I'm subscribed to both lists, it's against the mailing
> lists code of conduct (something you agree on when joining debian..) and it's
> annoying. Thanks.
Sure, no problem and I apologise, which leads me to: how would I know
you are subscribed? ;)
> > And frankly, come one... miBoot is 10 years old inactive software,
> > so I think there is no hurry.
>
> That's right. But also machines, for which miboot is useful, are also at
> least
> 10 years old and get less useful each day^wmonth.
I did not say the contrary, but I will *not* work under pressure
from someone I do not work for. I only say Benjamin was inactive with
miBoot for a long time, because he does not use it personally anymore
and he is not paid by IBM to work on it. (His own words if I dig in
my private mails from 2 years ago...)
> > On a side note, I am also fscked up in
> > NM without even starting, because someone in the Front Desk seems to
> > dislike me, even though I maintain 11 packages in Debian, so there
> > is really no hurry...
>
> I don't see, what this has to do with it.
How would I put it? Lack of motivation, be considered as nothing,
etc...
> But anyway, you're only waiting for an advocate for five weeks and the number
> of AMs is lower than the number of people in NM - so this is quite natural.
No, I am not, I am stalled in NM by Christoph Berg.
> That said, I dont understand the comment on your application ("on hold until
> 2006-11 waiting for visible activity") either, if you maintain 11 packages in
> debian :-) Did you ask Myon why he made that comment?
Because there is no so-called "visible activity" of me on
mailing-lists, on Google, and on the BTS... I still fail to see why
I cannot be in the state "waiting for AM" which I would be satisfied
with if it was the case...
> > I asked Christian Perrier to add my account to the d-i Alioth project
> > to work on miboot targets and miboot-installer.
>
> You don't need an account to do the work. The svn allows anonymous checkouts,
> so you can work on it and provide patches, which other people will hapily
> commit (with crediting you) if they work. I very certainly would/will.
Oh, come on, I hope you will not ask me to send patches like a dog
following his master, as d-i people did with Sven... They are 149 d-i
members, why can it not be 150? Am I a monster who will destroy d-i
SVN repository on a whim?... Hell, no! :( I like Debian too much to
do that.
> > I am also really afraid to interact with Frans, because I would rather
> > not be treated as dipshit like Sven was. :(
>
> Frans is a nice guy. Just don't constantly throw dipshit like Sven did and
> neither Frans nor anybody else will treat you badly.
OK, thanks to put it that way, so I am awaiting an account to work
on miBoot support in Debian Installer.
> (Sven is a nice guy, too. But... ...I'm tired of this discussion so I wont go
> into more detail here. I feel I've said too much already.)
...
Cheers,
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Re: Quik and atyfb
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 03:43:06PM +0200, Simon Stapleton wrote: > Yeah, I was looking directly at pre_boot_ppc.c, which seems to be > doing a bunch of register writes on ati cards. Apple's BootX seems > to do pretty much everything through the forth interpreter, which > makes it a bit tricksy to work out what's going on (mainly because my > forth is somewhat rusty :-) Indeed, it is called pre_strap_ppc.c in miBoot and the funny thing with it is that it is powerpc code which is called by m68k-emulated code. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Quik and atyfb
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 03:03:31PM +0200, Simon Stapleton wrote: > Aye, agreed, although I'm not sure that it's _all_ done in the ROM, > ISTR from poking about in the miBoot / BootX source a while back that > it does a certain amount of video configuration itself. I wonder > what OSX's BootX does, that certainly works to give "proper" video > support on Wallstreets, too. > > At a guess, we'd only need to tweak "known bad" built-in video cards > anyway. I'll pull down the BootX and BootX sources and see what's > happening there. You might want to look at PrepareDisplay(boot_infos_t *bi) and friends in <http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debootloaders/trunk/miboot/src/LowLevelBoot.c?op=file&rev=0&sc=0>. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Quik and atyfb
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 02:41:40PM +0200, Simon Stapleton wrote: > On 19 Aug 2006, at 13:43, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > >It does not surprise me at all. It is not the fault of Quik, it is > >simply that OF is completely broken on OldWorld PowerMacs. Those > >machines were never intended to be booted from OF. It is the MacOSROM > >which does all the job of hardware initialisation, thus the correct > >behaviour with miBoot. :) > > I beg to differ, slightly. Although open firmware is broken in > different and interesting ways on oldworld macs, whichever way you > boot, it's open firmware that does the initial booting step, > irrespective of whether you then go into the ROM / miBoot, ROM / > MacOS or the quik bootloader (or even the NetBSD bootloader, if > that's your thing). True. > All that's missing for Wallstreets to boot from quik with accelerated > video, it would seem, is a little video hardware initialisation; that > step _should_ be derivable from the ATI documentation. Like I said, > I don't currently have the time to deal with it, so I'll live with > video=ofonly for the moment. Also true, but that initialisation is done in the MacOSROM, thus my reasoning above to have the support for *all* OldWorld machines. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
Hi, On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 01:30:20PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Friday 18 August 2006 22:49, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 02:56:52PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > Do you think it will be ready for inclusion in etch at release time? > > Hard to say, since Piotr and I have no deadline... :) > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you mean, you and Piotr only work on > this with low priority, I cannot say anything except "a pity" :) I did not mean it is low priority. ;) I meant we are not paid Canonical employees to do a job following a timeline. Piotr seems to work on miBoot on week-ends and nights (an all-nighter actually, it seems...) when he feels like it and I am a bit the same... It is enjoyable work after all, though it seems I have currently more time than him. Therefore, be assured it will be done, but I cannot guaranty that it will be ready for Etch. And frankly, come one... miBoot is 10 years old inactive software, so I think there is no hurry. On a side note, I am also fscked up in NM without even starting, because someone in the Front Desk seems to dislike me, even though I maintain 11 packages in Debian, so there is really no hurry... > If you mean, you don't know the deadline to get it into etch, I can help: > > According to > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg5.html the final > build for d-i will be on October the 18th. So, your deadline is in two or > three weeks I would say (if your changes are non-intrusive...), so that we > have time for testing and integrating. It is really not enough time... :( > So, to summarize: be quick, if you want this in etch. I'm happy to assist in > testing, writing documentation and commiting tested stuff to the svn (in > cooperation with Frans.) I asked Christian Perrier to add my account to the d-i Alioth project to work on miboot targets and miboot-installer. I am still waiting for an answer, but I know Christian has a family to run in the week-end... ;) I am also really afraid to interact with Frans, because I would rather not be treated as dipshit like Sven was. :( > And kudos for your efforts to free miboot and make it work on harddrives! Thanks and cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Quik and atyfb
Hi, On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 09:33:03AM +0200, Simon Stapleton wrote: > Yes, just using video=atyfb causes the same issue. There is a > difference somewhere in the way quik configures stuff and the way > BootX/miBoot do it, using video=atyfb (+ all the various gubbins) > from a BootX / miBoot boot works fine and gives you accelerated > video, the same from a quik boot results in garbage. It does not surprise me at all. It is not the fault of Quik, it is simply that OF is completely broken on OldWorld PowerMacs. Those machines were never intended to be booted from OF. It is the MacOSROM which does all the job of hardware initialisation, thus the correct behaviour with miBoot. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 02:52:24PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > On Aug 18, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > >What is PTBs? :) > Powers that be... On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:44:23AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > Perhaps the Debian PTBs should simply admit that PowerPC OldWorld > Macintosh is an unsupported sub-arch for Debian etch? /-8 Okay, in that case, I strongly disagree. That would be like saying the efforts to get it working until now are worthless. The individual behind debian-installer has already kicked out Sven without any concern for the PowerPC port well being. Killing the OldWorld subarch in the PowerPC port would simply get Piotr (I think) and I (surely) not caring anymore about miBoot... After all, I know how to proceed with it the hard way, so the installation easiness does not matter to me. It is only more fun for me for it to become easy. :) I sincerely hope I will succeed getting an access to the debian-installer SVN repository to work on miboot targets and on miboot-installer... Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 03:06:03PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > I don't think the errata takes any notice of the fact that, quite > independent of "freeness" considerations, there is *no* working boot > loader for the 2.6.16 kernel on an OldWorld Mac. I've tried both > bootx and quik and neither of them work on my beige G3. In it's > current state, even if it were free, miboot would not be a workable > solution because it only works from floppies. Well, it works on a hard disk, but as I said earlier, it is not trivial to get it working by hand. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 02:56:52PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > Do you think it will be ready for inclusion in etch at release time? Hard to say, since Piotr and I have no deadline... :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:44:23AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > Perhaps the Debian PTBs should simply admit that PowerPC OldWorld > Macintosh is an unsupported sub-arch for Debian etch? /-8 What is PTBs? :) Well, aside the issue of booting, the kernel runs just fine and so does the user space... As you can look at <http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata>, I think it is partially admitted in "Oldworld powerpc boot floppies will not work as miboot is not included". > One thing I've discovered: The miboot floppy at http:// > people.debian.org/~wouter/d-i/powerpc-miboot/daily/powerpc/floppy/ > contain the "2.6.16-2-powerpc-miboot (Debian 2.6.16-7)" kernel, which > is the same base version (different config, presumably) as the kernel > on the beta3 CDs. And that kernel (the one on the miboot floppy) > boots just fine(*) on my beige G3. So the problem seems to be a > configuration issue, not anything fundamental. I am glad to read it is nothing fundamental like the structure of the kernel and I see Wouter has played a bit with it. :) Indeed, I also experienced the same symptoms you describe when the kernel is too large. It will be fixed when miBoot will be rebuildable with the GNU toolchain. > (*) Well... almost "just fine". There is a small problem with the > video parameters -- some columns of the text on the screen seem to > flicker. If I could figure out how to modify the kernel command line > arguments (specifically the video options) on the floppy, I might be > able to fix that. Interestingly, "works just fine" only applies to > the "boot" floppy. The "ofonlyboot" floppy does not work -- it gets > the same symptoms as I described in Bug#369760, and as someone else > has described in Bug#380187. It is also scheduled to add the possiblity of adding kernel arguments and even selecting different kernels, but in the mean time, you can do that inside the kernel configuration, as there is an option for that. > Currently, miboot (leaving aside issues of "freeness") only works for > floppies? Do you think there is any chance of it's working for > booting off of CDs or hard-disks, once we can fiddle with the source > code? It works for hard disks too, but as I explain in my other post some hours ago, it is a painful process to setup. It does not work on CD, because there is no low-level MacOSROM calls for that in the code. However, that could also be added by using EMILE macoslib which is what we intend to do, but the CD part will only be available when Laurent will have done what he says at <http://emile.sourceforge.net/> under Latest News/Next step. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 02:45:42PM +0200, Torbjorn Pettersson wrote: > Aurélien GÉRÔME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Well, for the sake of completeness, 6 kinds if we add the early Macs > > with Motorola 6502 processors like the Commodore 64 had. ;) > > Eh? What "Mac" would that be? You are not confusing it with the early > Apple I,II,III computers are you? The Lisa and the first Macintosh;es > all were Motorola 68xxx - based. Indeed, I was thinking about the early Apple machines and now I realise they were not branded as Macintosh. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
Hi, On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 03:19:18AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: > Has *anybody* had any success getting the "Linux version 2.6.16-2- > powerpc (Debian 2.6.16-17)" kernel to boot an OldWorld machine with > BootX? Or *any* kernel after 2.6.15? I think the anwser is plainly no. :( Well, you would be better off using miBoot anyway. I think I will produce miBoot floppies for the last Debian kernel for you to try... > What has changed between the Sarge kernel (which boots just fine) and > this one that would have such a catastrophic effect? Maybe the image is too heavy, some kernel defines changed, or BootX cannot find the sections of the image anymore? We cannot fiddle with BootX source code to see what happens, but we will be able with miBoot source code when it will be ready. :) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 01:39:31PM +0200, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > Like Sven explains above, you have 5 kinds of Macintosh machines in > chronological order: Well, for the sake of completeness, 6 kinds if we add the early Macs with Motorola 6502 processors like the Commodore 64 had. ;) Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#382129: Beta3 won't boot on OldWorld PowerPC Mac
, isn't that for nubus, that is pre OF/pci power macs ? > > of course whatever works, but as i already have two dead floppies i am > > not too keen on this method... > > pci based oldworld macs are those with a pci interface but previous to the > ibook and blue-and-white powermac i believe, and still have the mac os rom, > while the newworld ones don't have a real rom. nubus pmacs are those > firstgeneration powermacs which still use the m68k legacy nubus architecture. > nubus pmacs are not supported in debian there is no 2.6 kernel, and very few > people reported any kind of success on them using the sarge 2.4.27 nubus > flavour. Like Sven explains above, you have 5 kinds of Macintosh machines in chronological order: * the Mac68k: * running 2.2 kernels perfectly * 2.4 kernels never work * 2.6 kernels starting to work (Quadra840AV perfectly fine) * bootable by: * PenguinLoader (by Alan Cox) under MacOS * EMILE (by Laurent Vivier) directly under MacOSROM => Debian proposed solution * the MacPPC Nubus: * only 2.4 kernels * bootable by: * Apple mklinux proprietary bootloader * surely EMILE if Laurent had one of these... * the MacPPC OldWorld: * 2.6 kernels work fine * bootable by: * BootX (from Benjamin Herrenschmidt) under MacOS * miBoot (from the same author, Piotr Krysiuk, and I) directly under MacOSROM => Debian proposed solution * the MacPPC NewWorld: * 2.6 kernels work fine of course ;P * bootable by: * Yaboot (from Benjamin Herrenschmidt, then Ethan Benson) under OF * GRUB2 (from the GNU project), but not very reliable * the MacIntel craps, but less crappy than Intel ones, it seems... :) > > i am going to try the new initrd tool, yaird, to see if that helps. > > (i have already tried mkinitrd w/hand config, not having any luck, > > although i could try again) Well, I am currently prospecting, among other things, to see how miBoot can integrate himself in Debian kernel and installer packaging... I can setup miBoot floppies with the last Debian kernel if you want. The solution we want to retain with Sven is to propose: * Boot floppies for the debian-installer: one floppy containing miBoot and the ELF gzipped kernel which load another floppy containing the d-i ramdisk which can thereafter use the network or a CD to finish the installation. * miboot-installer package as a helper of d-i to install miBoot it at the last step of d-i. P.S.: Of course, Sven getting kicked out of d-i will not help... * miboot package to install the XCOFF gzipped dummy kernel+ramdisk image in the HFS partition with miBoot bootblocks. As Sven and I discussed it, the 3 points will use mkvmlinuz to produce the kernel images. Of course, mkvmlinuz will need some care to do so, as the miBoot cases are actually void... Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Free Software Developer `- Unix Sys & Net Admin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PowerMac7,3 G5 Sound?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:47:51AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > There is some significant work to do, I suspect, to re-architecture our > current sound driver to properly deal with dual codecs & clock control, > among others. That explains a lot about why it has not be done yet. Maybe it would be better to code a new driver, and hence to not touch the actual one? > Note that the Darwin source is available as a guide to how the HW works, > and the actual codec chips are documented. That was what upset me, because code exists, and no reverse-engineering is needed. Thanks for the reply. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) Aurélien GÉRÔME .---. `--)~ ~(--` Free Software Developer / \ .-'( )`-. Unix Sys & Net Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@./ `~~`@) (@`~~` /`\_/`\ | |.''`. // _ \\ | | : :' : | \ )|_ (8___8) `. `'` /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` `- \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #138: BNC (brain not connected) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
PowerMac7,3 G5 Sound?
Hi, Is there any projects that intend to support sound on G5 machines, or do everybody really not care? I cannot seem to find on google. :( Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) Aurélien GÉRÔME .---. `--)~ ~(--` Free Software Developer / \ .-'( )`-. Unix Sys & Net Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@./ `~~`@) (@`~~` /`\_/`\ | |.''`. // _ \\ | | : :' : | \ )|_ (8___8) `. `'` /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` `- \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #32: techtonic stress signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: atheros chip set on D-Link AG660
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 12:19:25PM -0800, Adam Done wrote: > I just purchased and been trying to compile the source for the atheros > chip set and keep on getting errors. I found a link on the debian users > list to a guy who have made some packages for the debian system in the > atheros chip set. I have been trying to compile the code from that and > directly from madwifi and each in its own give me errors. > > compiling code from madwifi: > > 1. downloaded the tarball (I have not yet uesed cvs) > 2. cd into the madwifi directly in /usr/src > 3. make > > # make > for i in ./ath_hal ath_rate/onoe ./net80211 ./ath; do \ > (cd $i; make) || exit 1; \ > done > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal' > cp ./../hal/linux/ah_osdep.c ah_osdep.c > uudecode ./../hal/linux/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu > cp ./../hal/linux/powerpc-be-eabi.opt_ah.h opt_ah.h > make -C /lib/modules/2.6.9.pb2/build > SUBDIRS=/usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal modules > make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.9' > CC [M] /usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal/ah_osdep.o > /bin/sh: /pub/gnu/bin/powerpc-eabi-gcc: No such file or > directory > make[3]: *** [/usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal/ah_osdep.o] Error 1 > make[2]: *** [_module_/usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal] Error 2 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.9' > make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal' > make: *** [all] Error 1 > > > I think the error is the '/pub/gnu/bin/powerpc-eabi-gcc' I have no > such /pub directory. Before that the error was > > hal/linux/powerpc-be-eabi: No such file or directory > > so I made a link > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Dec 22 01:56 powerpc-be-eabi -> > powerpc-be-eabi.inc > > and now I have the above error. I have the following links in /pub/gnu/bin/: powerpc-eabi-gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc powerpc-eabi-ld -> /usr/bin/ld powerpc-eabi-strip -> /usr/bin/strip Anything works well beyond this point. You can also change stuff in hal/linux/powerpc-be-eabi.inc. > 2. using deb packages > > cd cd madwifi-1.6/ > > # fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage > dpkg-buildpackage: source package is madwifi > dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 1.6-1 > dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Martin List-Petersen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is powerpc > debian/rules clean > dh_testdir > #dh_testroot > rm -f build-arch-stamp build-indep-stamp patch-stamp > rm -rf madwifi > dh_clean > dpkg-source -b madwifi-1.6 > dpkg-source: building madwifi in madwifi_1.6-1.tar.gz > dpkg-source: building madwifi in madwifi_1.6-1.dsc > debian/rules build > dh_testdir > tar -xzf madwifi.tar.gz > touch patch-stamp > dh_testdir > /usr/bin/make -C madwifi/tools TARGET=powerpc-eabi > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/madwifi-1.6/madwifi/tools' > ../Makefile.inc:166: ../hal/linux/powerpc-eabi.inc: No such file > or directory > make[1]: *** No rule to make target > `../hal/linux/powerpc-eabi.inc'. Stop. > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/madwifi-1.6/madwifi/tools' > make: *** [build-arch-stamp] Error 2 > > I see that the error here is relitiv the same as the other step as in > the '/hal/linux/powerpc-eabi.inc: No such file or directory' but when I > go in the directory to make a link and fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage but in > doing that the directory is updated from the current cvs and my change > is lost. I do not use the Debian package. Where did you find it? > I have been reasearching the net all over the place and searching many > different ways on the debian-ppc list and debian-users list. > > Has anyone else have had some successful success in compiling the code > for the atheros chip set? If I can't get this to work I would like to > be able to return my PCMIA card before I can't. Yes, and it works well, even with BenH's PM patch. It is only a shame there is a non-free HAL in it. Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #111: The salesman drove over the CPU board. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Apple PowerMacintosh Beige G3, Revision 2, Open Firmware 2.4
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:20:55PM +0100, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here are the instructions to boot this machine: > <http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html#g3v2>. > > Unfortunately, I have no legacy MacOS. My sole MacOSX runs only on > a laptop with no floppy drive. > > I request a little from someone who has a MacOS version above 8.0 > running on a floppy drive machine to create a SystemDisk needed to > flash my OpenFirmware. > > Instructions to do so are here: > <http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/SystemDisk-tutorial/>. > > To wit, the MacOS 8.1 boot floppy did not work for me. :( > > If someone would be so kind to create a floppy with these tools on > MacOS, dd it on a file on a Unix System, and then upload it somewhere, > it would be nice. :) Well, in case someone has no MacOS available, it is possible to create the dd'able floppy image with MacOSX. By using graphical Disk Image utility, you will get a blockdev /dev/disk2 and a chardev /dev/rdisk2. And then, do: hdiutil convert /dev/rdisk2 -format UDRW -o "Disk Tools PPC" or: dd if=/dev/rdisk2 of="Disk Tools PPC.dmg" For those who have no MacOSX at all, here it is: <http://ag.roxor.be/Disk%20Tools%20PPC.dmg>. Nobody seems to care about that machine which is -- NetBSD talking -- "one of the hardest to boot", I hope someday this post might help someone in the same situation like me who needed his OF patched, but could not, because he had no legacy MacOS. Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #328: Fiber optics caused gas main leak signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Apple PowerMacintosh Beige G3, Revision 2, Open Firmware 2.4
Hi everyone, Here are the instructions to boot this machine: <http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html#g3v2>. Unfortunately, I have no legacy MacOS. My sole MacOSX runs only on a laptop with no floppy drive. I request a little from someone who has a MacOS version above 8.0 running on a floppy drive machine to create a SystemDisk needed to flash my OpenFirmware. Instructions to do so are here: <http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/SystemDisk-tutorial/>. To wit, the MacOS 8.1 boot floppy did not work for me. :( If someone would be so kind to create a floppy with these tools on MacOS, dd it on a file on a Unix System, and then upload it somewhere, it would be nice. :) Thanks for your help. Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #86: Runt packets signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Modem on PB g4
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 04:55:43PM -0800, Andrea Giusto wrote: > Hello guys, > > so, the problem is that my modem is > Vendor=05ac ProdID=8203 Rev= 5.26 I made that mistake myself too a while ago. This is not a modem, but a BlueTooth adapter. The modem is I2S, not USB, and of course, it is not available on Linux/PPC: <http://www.motorola.com/softmodem/>. Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #5: static from plastic slide rules signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: bootsplash
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 06:25:25PM +0100, Martin Lohmeier wrote: > Quoting Aurélien GÉRÔME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I activated debugging of dpkg with -D, but no errors were actually > > displayed. > > I tryed this too. > > > By further tests, I saw the installation seems > > to hang in the debian/postinst script at this line : > > '. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule'. Maybe this is debconf related, > > who knows... > > Yes, that is something with /usr/share/debconf/confmodule. If I put an > "exit" in the second line of debian/postinst script then I can install > this package. If I put the exit in the line after '. > /usr/share/debconf/confmodule' then I got the exit status 10... > > > > > Hence, what I did was creating a Debian repository for bootsplash > > powerpc packages with dpkg-scanpackages, putting it on my local mirror, > > and then with dselect, it worked fine. > > > > However, I warn you, despite all my efforts, bootsplash did not work > > at all with radeonfb. :( > > I'll try with vesa... With my AlBook 15", I cannot do that. :) Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #288: Hard drive sleeping. Let it wake up on it's own... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: bootsplash
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 02:01:35AM +0100, Martin Lohmeier wrote: > Hi, > > have anyone bootsplash working on his ppc? I got the source from > bootsplash.de, compiled it with no problem but dpkg can't install it. > > > dpkg: error processing bootsplash (--install): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 > > Anyone out there who got it working? I did that too some days ago. Well, it is a kind of curious behaviour from dpkg when you do 'dpkg -i' on the bootsplash package. I activated debugging of dpkg with -D, but no errors were actually displayed. By further tests, I saw the installation seems to hang in the debian/postinst script at this line : '. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule'. Maybe this is debconf related, who knows... By testing the installation of the package on i386 and alpha with 'dpkg -i', the error occurs too. Hence, what I did was creating a Debian repository for bootsplash powerpc packages with dpkg-scanpackages, putting it on my local mirror, and then with dselect, it worked fine. However, I warn you, despite all my efforts, bootsplash did not work at all with radeonfb. :( Well, I have not look into the source code, since I want to spare my time on a more useful project. ;) Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #321: Scheduled global CPU outage signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: AlBook 15" USB Modem
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 12:10:57PM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 19:42 +0100, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I have a PowerBook5,2 G4 15", and this modem on it: > > P: Vendor=05ac ProdID=8203 Rev= 5.26 > > > > Linuxant said it is not supported. Did anyone with the same modem > > manage to get it working? > > This is the modem or the bluetooth adapter ? afaik, on latest models, > the modem is no longer USB but i2s (sound bus) At last, I found the answer for myself. We cannot have the modem under our dear PPC port. Motorola gives only the x86 drivers under binary form. <http://www.motorola.com/softmodem/driver.htm> Bests. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #269: Melting hard drives signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: AlBook 15" USB Modem
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 12:10:57PM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 19:42 +0100, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I have a PowerBook5,2 G4 15", and this modem on it: > > P: Vendor=05ac ProdID=8203 Rev= 5.26 > > > > Linuxant said it is not supported. Did anyone with the same modem > > manage to get it working? > > This is the modem or the bluetooth adapter ? afaik, on latest models, > the modem is no longer USB but i2s (sound bus) I am wrong. Part of lsusb -v: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05ac:8203 Apple Computer, Inc. Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 224 Wireless bDeviceSubClass 1 Radio Frequency bDeviceProtocol 1 Bluetooth bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x05ac Apple Computer, Inc. idProduct 0x8203 bcdDevice5.26 iManufacturer 0 iProduct0 iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 The question stays still, how can we get the built-in modem working? Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #210: We didn't pay the Internet bill and it's been cut off. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Modem PowerBook 12''
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 12:35:14PM +0100, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 05:26:11PM -0800, Andrea Giusto wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I tried connexant drivers for my internal modem, but it didn't work. I have > > a > > PowerBook G4 12'' 1.33 Mhz. Anyone has its modem working? Thanx > > What do you mean by "it didn't work"? What kind of error? Does it > hang the machine? Can you give the VendorID and the ProdID? > > Mine is (extract from /proc/bus/usb/devices): > P: Vendor=05ac ProdID=8203 Rev= 5.26 > > Linuxant drivers hang the machine (PowerBook5,2 G4 15"). :( > > They said to me 8203 is not supported, it is 8202 which is. I am wrong. Part of lsusb -v: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05ac:8203 Apple Computer, Inc. Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 224 Wireless bDeviceSubClass 1 Radio Frequency bDeviceProtocol 1 Bluetooth bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x05ac Apple Computer, Inc. idProduct 0x8203 bcdDevice5.26 iManufacturer 0 iProduct0 iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 The question stays still, how can we get the built-in modem working? Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #364: Sand fleas eating the Internet cables signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Modem PowerBook 12''
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 05:26:11PM -0800, Andrea Giusto wrote: > Hello all, > > I tried connexant drivers for my internal modem, but it didn't work. I have a > PowerBook G4 12'' 1.33 Mhz. Anyone has its modem working? Thanx What do you mean by "it didn't work"? What kind of error? Does it hang the machine? Can you give the VendorID and the ProdID? Mine is (extract from /proc/bus/usb/devices): P: Vendor=05ac ProdID=8203 Rev= 5.26 Linuxant drivers hang the machine (PowerBook5,2 G4 15"). :( They said to me 8203 is not supported, it is 8202 which is. Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #448: vi needs to be upgraded to vii signature.asc Description: Digital signature
AlBook 15" USB Modem
Hi there, I have a PowerBook5,2 G4 15", and this modem on it: P: Vendor=05ac ProdID=8203 Rev= 5.26 Linuxant said it is not supported. Did anyone with the same modem manage to get it working? Cheers. -- ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `--)~ ~(--` / \ .-'( )`-. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@./Aurélien GÉRÔME `~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ | | // _ \\ Free Software Developer | | | \ )|_ Unix Sys & Net Admin (8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #296: The hardware bus needs a new token. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: powerbook 1.5GHz 15" + radeon 9600 + mirror
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 04:34:51PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Hi,
> I try to make a mirror mode work, on a recent pb 15"
>
> I've tried a lot of configs :
> ClondeMode option with sid xfree packages, MergedFB ones with daenzer
> dri-trunk packages. ...
Yes, it will not work.
> I've googled a lot of lists. amd I've found no report of successful
> configs for my laptop...
So do I...
> I only want a clone on the DVI output for my talks, to project my
> slides...
I wished too. ;P
> I've sawn somebody here suggesting to close the lid during the boot, but
> it only results into blank screen and no signal is found by my LCD
> device ...
I do not see why it should work that way... Perhaps black magic, huh? ;)
> Since radeon 9600 is not supported by dri-trunk, I've spent most of my
> time on the standard XFree in sid. It supports ClondeMode (since in the
> log I see it accepted by the server, that even looks for CRT2
> modes) ... but after X start, here too, no signal ...
It is supported by dri-trunk, but the DVI will not work as it is in the
current state of the code.
> So If anybody has a working config, I would be thankful ...
I have an AlBook G4 15", an earlier model than yours.
processor : 0
cpu : 7447/7457, altivec supported
clock : 999MHz
revision: 1.1 (pvr 8002 0101)
bogomips: 664.26
machine : PowerBook5,2
motherboard : PowerBook5,2 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh
detected as : 287 (PowerBook G4 15")
pmac flags : 000a
L2 cache: 512K unified
memory : 512MB
pmac-generation : NewWorld
:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350
[Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
What I did to get the DVI output working is a reset of the register
values CRTC2_OFFSET_CNTL in radeon_driver.c.
I used the dri-trunk-sid_2004.02.28-2 source code and built the 2
resulting Debian packages with debuild.
The patch and my XF86Config-4 are attached. It should work with these,
since we have the same cards anyway.
Cheers.
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diff -ruN xc.old/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_driver.c
xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_driver.c
--- xc.old/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_driver.c
2004-02-28 14:52:26.0 +0100
+++ xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_driver.c 2004-06-20
19:40:38.0 +0200
@@ -4890,7 +4890,7 @@
if (info->allowPageFlip) {
OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC_OFFSET_CNTL, restore->crtc_offset_cntl);
if (info->HasCRTC2) {
- OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_OFFSET_CNTL, restore->crtc2_offset_cntl);
+ OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_OFFSET_CNTL, 0);
}
}
#endif
@@ -4957,7 +4957,7 @@
OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_V_TOTAL_DISP,restore->crtc2_v_total_disp);
OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_V_SYNC_STRT_WID, restore->crtc2_v_sync_strt_wid);
OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_OFFSET, restore->crtc2_offset);
-OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_OFFSET_CNTL, restore->crtc2_offset_cntl);
+OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_OFFSET_CNTL, 0);
OUTREG(RADEON_CRTC2_PITCH, restore->crtc2_pitch);
OUTREG(RADEON_DISP2_MERGE_CNTL, restore->disp2_merge_cntl);
Section "Files"
FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection
Section "Module"
Load"GLcore"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"record"
Load"speedo"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier
Re: setup needed for PowerPC assembler programming
On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 11:18:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 01:35:18AM +0200, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote: > > > On the hardware front I am looking at a G4 desktop system on ebay. > > > Prices seem to be a bit high - $300 for a used G4. I would get a G3 > > > model but the hard drive seems small ( 10 GB ) and the prices of $200 > > > for a 5 year old systems is very high. > > > > > > Is it possible to get lower priced hardware for what I am looking to do? > > > > You can try looking for IBM RS/6k systems. It is possible you find some > > old machines waiting for you somewhere. :) > > > > To my mind, old Apple systems are outpriced, even new ones. ;P > > Or you could try buying a pegasos 2 at : > > http://www.pegasosppc.com/ > > It is a micro-ATX board with a choice of G3/600MHz or G4/1GHZ. So you can put > it in any old ATX case you have lying around. That is quite interesting, but the reseller in France does not sell mainboards/CPU in unity. Have you ever tried to purchased elsewhere? Bests. -- _,met$gg.Aurélien GÉRÔME ,g$$$P. Free Software Developer ,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Unix Sys & Net Admin ,$$P' `$$$. ',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Web: https://www.roxor.be/ `d$$' ,$P"' .$$$ Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] $$P d$' ,$$P GPG Key ID: 03E1A172 $$: $$. -,d$$' $$; Y$b._ _,d$P')) GNU (( / Linux Y$$.`.`"YP"' // \\ `$$b "-.__ ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `Y$$b`--)~ ~(--` / \ `Y$$. Debian .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./ `$$b.`~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ `Y$$b. | | // _ \\ `"Y$b._ | | | \ )|_ `""""(8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #406: Bad cafeteria food landed all the sysadmins in the hospital. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: setup needed for PowerPC assembler programming
On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 02:33:41PM -0400, Steve Richter wrote: > I want to learn PowerPC assembler programming and figure I will buy a > used G4 mac on ebay, then install debian linux on it. Will that give > me all that I need? In deed, it is a perfect system. > I ordered debian 3.02 from this site: > http://agileos.com/ > > They say I will receive 6 CDs. So I should receive GNU C and C++, > right? Anyone have an idea if PowerPC programming will be doable with > that compiler or anything else that is likely to be on CDs I will > receive? To start coding in PPC assembly language, you need the GNU Assembler (gas). Unfortunately, there is not a lot of documentation about it, but you can hopefully find what you need by looking at its source code. Moreover, you can do some C coding and look at the result with "gcc -S"... That is the way I learnt and I am still learning PPC assembly language. Seems tough, huh? ;) By the way, does anyone know about an "orgy" of documentation about gas? > On the hardware front I am looking at a G4 desktop system on ebay. > Prices seem to be a bit high - $300 for a used G4. I would get a G3 > model but the hard drive seems small ( 10 GB ) and the prices of $200 > for a 5 year old systems is very high. > > Is it possible to get lower priced hardware for what I am looking to do? You can try looking for IBM RS/6k systems. It is possible you find some old machines waiting for you somewhere. :) To my mind, old Apple systems are outpriced, even new ones. ;P Cheers. -- _,met$gg.Aurélien GÉRÔME ,g$$$P. Free Software Developer ,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Unix Sys & Net Admin ,$$P' `$$$. ',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Web: https://www.roxor.be/ `d$$' ,$P"' .$$$ Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] $$P d$' ,$$P GPG Key ID: 03E1A172 $$: $$. -,d$$' $$; Y$b._ _,d$P')) GNU (( / Linux Y$$.`.`"YP"' // \\ `$$b "-.__ ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `Y$$b`--)~ ~(--` / \ `Y$$. Debian .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./ `$$b.`~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ `Y$$b. | | // _ \\ `"Y$b._ | | | \ )|_ `""""(8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #336: the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer solstice signature.asc Description: Digital signature
BlueBerry iMac G3 IPv6 issue
Hi there, I installed Debian Sid on a BlueBerry iMac G3. [20:51:54|3|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : 740/750 temperature : 52 C (uncalibrated) clock : 350MHz revision: 2.2 (pvr 0008 0202) bogomips: 696.32 machine : PowerMac2,1 motherboard : PowerMac2,1 MacRISC Power Macintosh detected as : 66 (iMac FireWire) pmac flags : 0005 L2 cache: 512K unified memory : 128MB pmac-generation : NewWorld [20:54:17|3|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]# uname -a Linux arwen 2.6.8.1 #1 Sat Aug 21 15:46:55 CEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux I need IPv6, but the console is flooded by a lot of: printk: 16 messages suppressed. hw tcp v6 csum failed printk: 11 messages suppressed. hw tcp v6 csum failed printk: 5 messages suppressed. hw tcp v6 csum failed printk: 5 messages suppressed. hw tcp v6 csum failed printk: 5 messages suppressed. hw tcp v6 csum failed printk: 5 messages suppressed. hw tcp v6 csum failed printk: 7 messages suppressed. hw tcp v6 csum failed However, IPv6 works, and IPv4 packets do not have this kind of issue. Attached is my /proc/config.gz. Is anyone aware of this issue? Bests. -- _,met$gg.Aurélien GÉRÔME ,g$$$P. Free Software Developer ,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Unix Sys & Net Admin ,$$P' `$$$. ',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Web: https://www.roxor.be/ `d$$' ,$P"' .$$$ Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] $$P d$' ,$$P GPG Key ID: 03E1A172 $$: $$. -,d$$' $$; Y$b._ _,d$P')) GNU (( / Linux Y$$.`.`"YP"' // \\ `$$b "-.__ ((__,-"""-,__)) .---. `Y$$b`--)~ ~(--` / \ `Y$$. Debian .-'( )`-.[EMAIL PROTECTED]@./ `$$b.`~~`@) (@`~~`/`\_/`\ `Y$$b. | | // _ \\ `"Y$b._ | | | \ )|_ `""""(8___8) /`\_`> <_/ \ `---` \__/'---'\__/ BOFH excuse #166: /pub/lunch config.gz Description: Binary data signature.asc Description: Digital signature
