Re: Did my hard drive fail cause of Linux?
Clive == Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clive On (21/05/06 21:27), ben wrote: My 5400 rpm 80gb ATA drive in my powerbook just failed the tilted the laptop, eventually it got so bad that the drive wouldn't read without rocking my laptop back and forth. My linux partition was formatted with ext3 journaling, so my question is was there something to my setup that may have endangered the lifetime (2 years) of this drive? Clive Unlikely. It is probably coincidence. Sounds like dodgy Clive hardware. I'd say coincidence. The 40 Gb drive in my G4 laptop died a few months ago. Just under 3 years old. It never (gasp) ran Linux, only Mac OS X. /Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] emacs and xml, compiling java programs.
Charles == Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 11:22:20AM -0300, Rogério Brito Charles wrote : P.S.: Wouln't Emacs be suitable for your needs? Charles Actually I am using Emacs with the nxml mode, but Charles completion does not work. I am writing manpages using Charles docbook, so having completion would help me greatly. It's been a while since I've done docbook or xml, but the psgml mode did give me context sensitive tag lists at any given point in my document. It should be really easy to add completion (the ESC - TAB sort) if it does not already exist (and it might, I just never felt like I needed it). Any time I work with XML and I have a DTD I use emacs for just that reason. Or do you need something even more powerful?? Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Monitor never suspends on G4 Mac Mini with Sony Flat Panel
Pancho == Pancho Horrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pancho On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 08:30:31AM -0700, Shyamal Prasad Pancho wrote: Pancho I have attached xorg.conf, config-2.6.16.5 (vanilla Pancho linux), and a list of installed packages in my mac Pancho mini. Please note that the aforementioned Pancho config-2.6... builds a REALLY monolithic kernel, with all Pancho the functionality I need built in, and no modules at Pancho all. You've been warned :-). Hey Pancho, The more I look at this the more I think your monitor is a little different. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/sbin/ddcprobe | grep name monitorname: SDM-S204 but your xorg.conf lists the monitor as being an SDM-S204E. Could you confirm? Also, is there any chance you could try the stock 2.6.15 kernel in testing to see if you can recreate my problem? I'd like to know if this is just me or there is a problem with the kernel configuration. Pancho Just tried it (linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc), and no Pancho problem at all! Thanks - that is an excellent data point to have because I did not have to go off and try a new kernel :) But after trying out your xorg.conf changes (mostly AGP parameters) I'm still not able to put this monitor to sleep. Still working on it though ;) Pancho P.S.: I'm from spain; where are you from? Your name sounds Pancho like hindi? I'm in Redmond, Washington, USA (home of you know who, but I have nothing to do with you know who except that many of my friends do work there). But, yes, I was born in India so your guess about my name is a good one. The name is actually a Bengali name and not a Hindi one. I was born close to the state of West Bengal and my parents picked a local name for me (I understand and speak Spanish much better than Bengali, but that is not saying much about my Spanish skills at all :) Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Monitor never suspends on G4 Mac Mini with Sony Flat Panel
Pancho == Pancho Horrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pancho On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:20:20PM -0700, Shyamal Prasad Pancho wrote: One issue with X (xorg) is that the monitor (a Sony flat panel, SDM S204) never seems to go into the sleep state. The screen seems to blank and all, but the monitor continues to run at full power. Pancho Same monitor, too. Cool - some one with exactly the same configuration :) Are you running stable or testing? If I issue an 'xset dpms force standby' (or sleep etc.) the screen blanks, but the monitor continues to run at full power. 'xset q' shows DPMS being on. Pancho xset dpms etc... works for me, i.e. the monitor goes to Pancho low power mode. Pancho Do you use DVI or plain vga cable? DVI Pancho I'll supply you with any cfg files you may want to Pancho examine. Just ask. Well, I mis-wrote when I mentioned my kernel version: I'm running 2.6.15-1-powerpc (not .16) and it is the stock Debian kernel. Could you please send me your xorg.conf file and the kernel config you are using so I can try exactly the same configuration. I presume you built your kernel off the source package in unstable? Also, is there any chance you could try the stock 2.6.15 kernel in testing to see if you can recreate my problem? I'd like to know if this is just me or there is a problem with the kernel configuration. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Monitor never suspends on G4 Mac Mini with Sony Flat Panel
Hi folks, I have a very straight forward Debian etch installation on a G4 Mac Mini. One issue with X (xorg) is that the monitor (a Sony flat panel, SDM S204) never seems to go into the sleep state. The screen seems to blank and all, but the monitor continues to run at full power. If I issue an 'xset dpms force standby' (or sleep etc.) the screen blanks, but the monitor continues to run at full power. 'xset q' shows DPMS being on. Under Mac OS X I do not have this issue, the monitor goes into a low power state when the screen blanks. From xorg.conf, some relevant bits: Section Monitor Identifier SDM-S204 Option DPMS HorizSync 28-75 VertRefresh 57-63 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device ATI Technologies, Inc. RV280 [Radeon 9200] Monitor SDM-S204 The only other data point I have is this: I used to have this monitor hooked up to a dual G5 tower and I had the same problem when running Linux. So perhaps it is the monitor. Both systems were running a 2.6.16-1-powerpc[64] kernel. Any ideas on how to fix this? Best regards, Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installation produces a strange /etc/modules file
Hi, I just installed etch on my new [1] G4 Mac Mini using a recent daily build. Installation was really smooth (and the Mac Mini may well be the most enjoyable Linux computer I've over owned). The odd thing was this /etc/modules file I was left with: # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. # # This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded # at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with # are ignored. apm_emu.load ide-cd.load ide-disk.load ide-generic.load sbp2.load snd-powermac.load sr_mod.load Huh? What are those .load extensions all about? Any ideas? This does seem really broken (at least with 2.6.15-1-powerpc) Thanks, Shyamal [1] the mrs reclaimed the dual G5 tower... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
d-i daily build fails when building initrd (PowerMac7,3)
Hi folks, I've been away from my computer for a few months, but decided to give the latest d-i netinstall daily build a spin today (March 26). Besides the obvious known problem (default mirror) I find that a powerpc64 install on a PowerMac7,3 (Dual 2Ghz G5) fails when trying to install the kernel. Here is the tail end from the syslog Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: Found kernels 'linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc64,linux-image-2.6-powerpc64' Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: arch_kernel candidates: linux-image-2.6-powerpc64 Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: arch_kernel: linux-image-2.6-powerpc64 (present) Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: Using kernel 'linux-image-2.6-powerpc64' Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: Setting do_initrd='yes'. Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: Setting link_in_boot='yes'. Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: Possible initramfs generator(s): 'initramfs-tools yaird' Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: info: Available initramfs generator(s): 'initramfs-tools' Mar 26 19:22:08 base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/initramfs/no-generator Mar 26 19:22:14 init: ^MStarting pid 1123, console /dev/vc/2: '/bin/sh' Also, when looking at the target disk it is clear that yaird is simply missing (which I'm assuming is the root cause...) ~$ ls /mnt/chroot/usr/sbin/y* /mnt/chroot/usr/sbin/mki* ls: /mnt/chroot/usr/sbin/mki*: No such file or directory /mnt/chroot/usr/sbin/yabootconfig /mnt/chroot/usr/sbin/ybin I looked in the installation reports and the errata and did not see this reported except for the cryptic errata saying [21 Mar 06] Base installation will fail because of a script error. Since I've been away since December I thought I'd ask before filing a new bug: is this new/unknown? Or is it just me? Should I file an installation/bug report? Thanks, Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: d-i daily build fails when building initrd (PowerMac7,3)
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven Please file an installation report, CCed to Sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sure thing: #359164 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359164 I am presuming some one with a better understanding of the issue can reassign it to the appropriate package (e.g. initramfs-tools). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Did not manage to start the graphical installer on an iMac G5
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven nvidiafb is hosed, so he should either try offb Sven (video=ofonly), or the disable accel trick Attilio mentioned Sven earlier. Hi Sven, Niether trick worked on my G5. I've come down with some serious keyboard related stress on my arms so I've not been able to install the strace udebs as Attilio suggested to figure out where exactly things are breaking. In a few weeks, unless someone else gets there first... Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Buildd donation? (Was: Please set MLton to build on malo)
Wesley == Wesley W Terpstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wesley For whatever reason, voltaire continues to have only 320M Wesley of RAM. This means it cannot build MLton. I would Wesley appreciate it if MLton were blacklisted by voltaire so Wesley that voltaire will not attempt (and fail) to rebuild this Wesley package. Alternately, why is voltaire still in use? If the Wesley machine cannot be kept relatively modern, perhaps it Wesley should be retired in the face of the more powerful buildds Wesley debian owns. I have a PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio model: 133 Mhz Bus, 733 Mhz G4, 512 MB RAM) that is looking for a home. I'd be willing to donate this to Debian if it can be of some use. I'd be prepared to ship it within the United States if some one could clue me in. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to compile custom kernel 2.6 for ppc64
Eduardo == Eduardo Trápani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eduardo I've tried everything I could think of, apt-get source Eduardo --build, make-kpk, debian/rules binary, Eduardo dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc but either the kernel does not Eduardo boot or I cannot install the image due to errors that I Eduardo find it hard to trace (a sample from yesterday at the end Eduardo of the message). make-kpkg --subarch powerpc64 --initrd --revision=shyamal.1.0 kernel-image worked fine for me with 2.6.12 (stock kernel sources) the last time I tried for my dual G5. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Powermac G5 yaboot install failed
john == john fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: john Shamal, the only two netinstalls that will load are the john latest testing, run as expert64 and YDL's run as john install-g5. The older sarge stuff just crashes. Do I have john the wrong Sarge stuff? i.e. is there a 64bit version I john should use? You must use the power4 kernel with the sarge installer. It is a 32 bit kernel, but it is the one that supports the Apple G5 CPU. It is possible that much newer G5 hardware will not boot with sarge, but mine certainly does (dual 2 Ghz, PowerMac7,3, purchased Dec 2004). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powermac G5 yaboot install failed
Ken == Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, john fisher wrote: boot: [EMAIL PROTECTED],f200/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/k2-sata@)/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4,/boot/vmlinux Ken John, forgive me if this is a stupid question - Ken the kernel you want to use is /boot/vmlinux mounted on Ken /dev/sda4 ? (you say ydl pointed to this, which makes me Ken wonder if you are using a different partition for debian). I'm not John but I can tell you that he probably did not want /dev/sda4. I sent him the path as an example with the warning that it would not match hist disk partitions and so on. Stupid me, I forgot emphasize the need to customize it by replacing the '4' with what he needed. I use /dev/sda4 as a small test partition that I can boot or chroot into. Ken If you do mean /dev/sda4, what does 'ofpath /dev/sda4' tell Ken you ? Probably a warning to use bootx if my experience is anything to go by. yaboot from sid really needs to get into etch to support us SATA users Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch graphical installer does not work on G5 PowerMac?
john == john fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: john Not sure if etch is the one on the netinstall CD? Anyway, I john got only the 64 bit version to install, but then it worked john with nvidia on my G5 dual-2.0 Apple box. The latest YDL john 4.0.91 (not free) also works with the nvidia card. I don't believe you are using the graphical installer - the standard etch netinstall CD does work with the G5. john PS I i could still use some help with the boot loader?! Download yaboot from sid and install it (with dpkg) and you can probably work past that problem. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powermac G5 yaboot install failed
john == john fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: john Thanks guys. Shyamal or Sven can you walk me through the john fix? If I don't get this working I have to return the G5 to john the store. Hi John, If it is that serious, just use the sarge installer net install disk. Do the absolute minimal installation you can (i.e. do not choose any of the installation tasks, just get the system booted into console mode). Then upgrade to etch (edit /etc/apt/sources.list and so on) and install all the software you want. john I am assuming that I need to mount the root drive while john booted off the cd, and copy in something or change the john yaboot.conf or both? Yes, or you could just use the sarge netinstall and upgrade :-) If you insist on it, you could also edit yaboot.conf manually on the installation disk, I believe the open firmware path you want is device=/[EMAIL PROTECTED],f200/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]: and work onwards from there (i.e. manually install yaboot after editing the file yourself). To give you exact instructions I would have to try it out myself (and my disk partitions are probably more complicated than you want so you probably can't use my config files). john also in ref to bug #339561 I have SATA 150 drives, not SCSI, john though I think maybe they modified the scsi driver to do john ide? The SATA drives are treated as scsi (/dev/sd*) devices. Don't return the G5 just yet. Believe me, it works with Debian. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch graphical installer does not work on G5 PowerMac?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sven Could you try passing the directfb noaccel option ? not sure
Sven exactly how, but Attilio could help you there. This is
Sven similar of what happens with atyfb and rage 128 chips. Right
Sven now we only had success on the x86 vesafb and radeonfb.
Hi,
Sorry for the wide distribution - enclosed below is Attilio's
instructions for the unaccelerated driver copied to debian-powerpc as
he requested.
I attempted what Attilio suggests with Sven's Dec 2 daily build.
When I start debian-installer from the command line I get a flash on
my screen and I'm back to the shell prompt (aha so now I know d-i is
just repeatedly restarting when I boot with the default front end
/aha :)
Looking in dmesg I see (copied by hand)
ioctl32(debconf:1129) Unknown cmd fd(6) cmd(4700){00} arg(0f394e70) on
/dev/fb/0
One such line is written each time I start d-i.
It means nothing to me, but I suspect some one out there might be able
to tell if this information helps?
Cheers!
Shyamal
---BeginMessage---
Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 09:12:21AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 08:05 -0800, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
Yes, it is an Nvidia GeForce card, unfortunately that is what Apple
sells with these machines. I'll swap it when I can but for now I'm
stuck with it.
So, I tried the daily build. It boots fine, but the installer (more
likely the fb itself) does not do anything useful with the nvidia
card. It just flashes (white) the screen (black background) every few
seconds. I can switch to a vt and use the shell, but the screen
continues the flash at the same rate.
nvidiafb on recent kernels should work fine, as should the X nv
driver...
Well, this is 2.6.14, is this recent enough ? And the problem is not so much
plain fbdev, but the directfb and gtk-directfb layers over it.
Yes, that's true: i had some troubles running DFB apps with DFB
0.9.22/24/CVS with kernel 2.6.14 on my i8x0 laptop and the cause has
still to be discovered..
Could you try passing the directfb noaccel option ? not sure exactly how, but
Attilio could help you there. This is similar of what happens with atyfb and
rage 128 chips. Right now we only had success on the x86 vesafb and radeonfb.
this worked with wolfram's G3 powermac with ATI video card
-At boot prompt type
install video=ofonly DEBIAN_FRONTEND=newt
this should bootup a fb driver that works on Wolfram's ppc; i'm no ppc
expert at all but i know other fb drivers for ppc exists, maybe Sven can
give further details about this.
-The debian installer will boot with NEWT frontend: switch to VT2 nd type
echo 'no-hardware' /etc/directfbrc
echo 'screenshot-dir=/' /etc/directfbrc
export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gtk
debian-installer
if everything goes as expected the graphical installer should start
using DFB's unaccelerated video driver.
Now you could be able to use the Stamp key to take nice screenshots.. :)
Since i'm not subscribed to debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org could
someone forward this mail there too since may be useful for other users too?
thanks
Attilio
---End Message---
Re: etch graphical installer does not work on G5 PowerMac?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 06:54:47PM -0800, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: I tried booting the graphical installer (the file mini.iso dowloaded from http://people.debian.org/~fjp/d-i/gtk-miniiso/alpha/powerpc/) Sven Could you try the latest daily-builds from : Sven http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/gtkdi/images Sven as i am not sure what Frans did put in the above images, but Well, the link to Frans' installer I found via the debian installer page (alpha release of graphical installer). So I guess it is what most other newbies are finding. Sven the current daily builds have the 2.6.14-3 kernel. I believe Sven the images you tried may have 2.6.12 still, and thus didn't Sven solve your problem, not sure. Your box has Nvidia graphics, Sven right ? Where i you, i would take that card out and put a Sven nice Radeon inside, would solve you worlds of trouble. Yes, it is an Nvidia GeForce card, unfortunately that is what Apple sells with these machines. I'll swap it when I can but for now I'm stuck with it. So, I tried the daily build. It boots fine, but the installer (more likely the fb itself) does not do anything useful with the nvidia card. It just flashes (white) the screen (black background) every few seconds. I can switch to a vt and use the shell, but the screen continues the flash at the same rate. Any advice on how I can be helpful? Thanks, Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powermac G5 yaboot install failed
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 04:50:26PM -0800, john fisher wrote: new, non-dual core, dual-proc 2.0 PowerMac G5 latest testing debian ppc netinstall ( 11-28) 1) install base system, chose default kernel 2) write yaboot to hard disk: error: failed to install boot loader Sven File a bug report against yaboot-installer describing your Sven problem, maybe using the installation report template, but Sven modifying the Package: field to show yaboot-installer. Hi Sven, John, IMHO this problem seems related to ofpath in etch not getting /dev/sd* open firmware names correct with 2.6.12 and later kernels. See #321962. I've already filed #339561 on this issue but perhaps no one noticed it. My hardware is exactly the same as Johns as far as I can tell. The ofpath problem is easily solved by using the version of yaboot in sid on my machine. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339561 I don't quite understand why yaboot in sid is stuck where it is..? Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
etch graphical installer does not work on G5 PowerMac?
I tried booting the graphical installer (the file mini.iso dowloaded from http://people.debian.org/~fjp/d-i/gtk-miniiso/alpha/powerpc/) on a dual G5 (PowerMac7,3) today. It would just hang after trying to start the processor (similar to what the old sarge installer kernel did early on). Is this a known fault? I could not find a bug report but I'd be happy to file one, test, etc. /Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian on a RS/6000 Question
Sandy == Sandy Elaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sandy Tried both images ... still no luck. Not booting from the Sandy CD's, it only comes into AIX. Sandy [...deleted...] Sandy I've read about installing the kernel on the Server first, Sandy but they all explain how to write the bootfloppy from Sandy within Linux ... problem is that I don't have a Linux Sandy system over here. If it is booting into AIX you should be able to use pretty similar commands to write the floppy. Something along the lines described in 4.3.1 of the sarge install manual http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s03.html.en#id2517811 Apologies if I missed something obvious, it's been far too long since I've used an AIX system, but I do not remember them being *that* different (?). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cant install yaboot on G5
Enrique == Enrique Morfin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Enrique Hi! Yesterday i tried to install debian on a new imac G5 Enrique (20). Enrique [..deleted...] Enrique With etch beta1 netinstall iso: install64 Enrique video=ofonly. everything wents ok, until finish install Enrique base system. Then an error about can't install yaboot, so Enrique system not bootable. yaboot complains about no of Enrique software in sda2. Yaboot wants the ofpath. I tried with Enrique several sizes 800k-12M. I reinstalled osX, then tried Enrique again: same problem. I erase osX partition (just debian Enrique partitions): same problem. The ofpath command included with yaboot in etch does not work correctly with 2.6.12 and later kernels on /dev/sda* devices. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321962 (I'd also filed a report on the etch installer for the resulting fault http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339561 ) You *should* be able to download and install the yaboot package from sid (which is supposed to fix the issue) to complete the installationm by using the alternate terminal. I have not actually done this but I cannot think why it would not work. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6.14-rc5 uploaded to experimental available at http://people.debian.org/~luther/2.6.14-rc5
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven I just uploaded 2.6.14-rc5 packages to experimental, which Sven are a test run before 2.6.14 gets released and the Sven corresponding packages go to unstable. Since they are NEW i Sven have made them available under : Sven http://people.debian.org/~luther/2.6.14-rc5 Your image boots fine and I've got far enough to write this stuff (Dual G5, PowerMac7,3). Thanks! [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r 2.6.14-rc5-powerpc64 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported clock : 2000.00MHz revision: 3.0 processor : 1 cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported clock : 2000.00MHz revision: 3.0 timebase: machine : PowerMac7,3 motherboard : PowerMac7,3 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh detected as : 336 (PowerMac G5) pmac flags : pmac-generation : NewWorld Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PATCH] PowerMac install page has outdated information
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sven No way, there is no chance of a 2.4 kernel supporting more
Sven hardware than the 2.6 kernels, the only reason to keep it at
Sven all was for those people needing external modules which
Sven where not rewritten for 2.6, [snip]
Sven The other reason to use 2.4 kernels was if you ran apus or
Sven [...snip...]
Hi,
Could some one please apply this patch to the PowerMac install page?
The patch below is based on feedback on debian-powerpc (see
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/10/msg00325.html for
details) and corrects only the most obvious errors.
Personally I really think the entire page needs a rewrite but I'm not
sure what the criteria is for doing this (I'd volunteer to do so if
some one told me to go ahead, but it will take some time :-)
BTW the 400M minimum disk size is based on notes in the install manual
(appendix C) and a test where I chose to install as little as I could
with the non-expert sarge installer ('df -m' showed 346M in use).
Cheers!
Shyamal
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-As a general rule, hardware newer than 2001 or so is more well
-supported by the more-recent 2.4 series of Linux kernels. The standard
-Debian installation still uses the 2.2 series, which will basically
-work. But the accessories such as sound, sleep, airport, and the like
-are not supported well, if at all, in the 2.2 series. So if you have a
-newer machine, go through the normal installation, then plan on one
-extra step when you get done to upgrade the kernel. Debian has made
-the kernel upgrade process as easy as getting a new program - and
-that itself is very easy in Debian.
+The Debian installation uses a 2.6 series kernel. This kernel should
+support most PowerMac hardware. A 2.4 series powerpc flavour kernel is
+available for users with externally supplied modules that have not
+been ported to 2.6 kernels. However, the use of this kernel is
+strongly discouraged.
p
@@ -49,7 +45,7 @@
p
1G is probably enough space for an experimental Linux system. You can
-get by with less, perhaps as little as 200M for a really basic system,
+get by with less, perhaps as little as 400M for a really basic system,
but you'll more than likely want more than just the basics.
p
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Re: Feedback on patch to PowerPC ports pmac page requested
Rogério == Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rogério On Oct 22 2005, Shyamal Prasad wrote: as +little as 600 to 700M for a really basic system, but you'll Rogério I question the 600 to 700M figures for a really basic Rogério system. I think that these numbers are too high for Rogério just the basics, especially if the user is space Rogério conscious. Hi Rogério, My opinion was originally the same as yours. But since I suspected that linux installations have got larger since I last did a space concious install I tried looking for some documented experience. The i386 install manual says one needs at least 450M. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en The i386 and powerpc install manuals say that a i386 2.4 install with all standard packages is 573M. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/apcs03.html.en Including swap space I'd say 600M is pushing the lower limit for a normal (i.e. documented in the manual) sarge install. If any one has done it in less do let me know - it has been many years since I've worked on a system with less than 1G of disk space. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Feedback on patch to PowerPC ports pmac page requested
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 07:24:23PM -0700, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: the G4) you also have the option of choosing a 2.4 kernel in case your hardware is really old. However most hardware built after 2001 should be well supported by the default 2.6 kernel. Sven No way, there is no chance of a 2.4 kernel supporting more Sven hardware than the 2.6 kernels, the only reason to keep it at Sven all was for those people needing external modules which Sven where not rewritten for 2.6, and because of a Sven at-that-time-unsolved in the miboot floppies generator. Cool. I did not know why the 2.4 kernels were out there which is why I wanted the patch reviewed. Thanks. Sven The other reason to use 2.4 kernels was if you ran apus or Sven if nubus powermacs, but the first one, i know 4 users left Sven and the first of those tested it yesterday since sarge, Sven while the second was not officially supported in sarge, Sven altough this may change for etch. So perhaps the statement needs to be something like For users of the powerpc flavour a 2.4 kernel is also provided to support Amiga Power-UP (apus) systems, and as a fall back for users with external kernel modules that are not available for the 2.6 kernel. Or should we also document the miboot issue? (I don't know much about it, never used an old world Mac for Linux). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Feedback on patch to PowerPC ports pmac page requested
Hi all, http://www.us.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac is quite out of date. I use new Mac hardware (G5), and have little experience with minimal installs of Debian since potato. Comments on the patch below would be appreciated. I will send this to debian-www after any corrections that might be required. Cheers! Shyamal Index: pmac.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac.wml,v retrieving revision 1.14 diff -u -r1.14 pmac.wml --- pmac.wml13 Oct 2005 19:49:36 - 1.14 +++ pmac.wml23 Oct 2005 02:16:20 - @@ -25,15 +25,13 @@ p -As a general rule, hardware newer than 2001 or so is more well -supported by the more-recent 2.4 series of Linux kernels. The standard -Debian installation still uses the 2.2 series, which will basically -work. But the accessories such as sound, sleep, airport, and the like -are not supported well, if at all, in the 2.2 series. So if you have a -newer machine, go through the normal installation, then plan on one -extra step when you get done to upgrade the kernel. Debian has made -the kernel upgrade process as easy as getting a new program - and -that itself is very easy in Debian. +As a general rule, newer hardware is better supported by the newer +Linux kernels. The standard Debian installation uses the 2.6 series +and this should work for most hardware. If you are installing a +powerpc flavour kernel (on Apple Power Macintosh system up to and +including the G4) you also have the option of choosing a 2.4 kernel in +case your hardware is really old. However most hardware built after +2001 should be well supported by the default 2.6 kernel. p @@ -48,9 +46,10 @@ p -1G is probably enough space for an experimental Linux system. You can -get by with less, perhaps as little as 200M for a really basic system, -but you'll more than likely want more than just the basics. +1G is probably a realistic minimum disk space required for an +experimental Linux system. You might get by with less, perhaps as +little as 600 to 700M for a really basic system, but you'll more than +likely want more than just the basics. p -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual G5 turns off after a while
Daniel == Daniel Jedecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel So i testet Kernel 2.6.12.5 from sid. Same Problem Daniel here. G5 tturns out after 3 hours. i tried to compile my Daniel of kernel from kernel.org but the linking failes. Hi Daniel, Could you email me your dmesg ouput under 2.6.12-5 from sid? I cannot get it to boot on my machine. Also, if you could email me /proc/cpuinfo too. Thanks, Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH} Re: www.d.o: PowerPC installation pages need update
Patrick == Patrick Finnegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patrick On Friday 26 August 2005 14:48, Shyamal Prasad wrote: Does it need to change? Patrick The model 260 is most definitely a 7043-260 (aka Patrick 43P-260). Hi Frans, Based on the thread on debian-powerpc could you please commit this patch? This change should also be made to the install manual too. I can write a bug report with patch if that is the way to go Cheers! Shyamal Index: install.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/ports/powerpc/inst/install.wml,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -r1.19 install.wml --- install.wml 23 Aug 2005 08:41:07 - 1.19 +++ install.wml 27 Aug 2005 20:25:42 - @@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ ddp The POWER3 processor is used in older IBM 64-bit server systems: known models include the IntelliStation POWER Model 265, the pSeries 610 and -640, and the RS/6000 7044-170, 7044-260, and 7044-270./p/dd +640, and the RS/6000 7044-170, 7043-260, and 7044-270./p/dd dtpower4/dt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH} Re: www.d.o: PowerPC installation pages need update
Ralph == Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ralph Hummm, shouldn't it be 7043-260 instead of 7044-260 in the Ralph power3 section ? I don't know since I'm no familiar with the IBM hardware. The Sarge install manual says RS/6000 7044-170, 7044-260, and 7044-270 and I stuck with that. Does it need to change? Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Building ppc64 2.6.12 the Debian way? (Was: Dual G5 turns off after a while)
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven Have a look at : Sven http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323724 Hi Sven/all, I'm trying to build the ppc64 kernel using the toolchain in sid (gcc-3.4 is biarch now, right?) to isolate my problem . But I get this very cryptic error (in a sid chroot) when applying the debian patches and it has really stumped me. Any hints? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/linux-source-2.6.12$ MAKEFLAGS=CC=gcc-3.4 CFLAGS=-m64 make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 --added_patches debian kernel_image # work around idiocy in recent kernel versions test ! -e scripts/package/builddeb || \ mv -f scripts/package/builddeb scripts/package/builddeb.dist test ! -e scripts/package/Makefile || \ (mv -f scripts/package/Makefile scripts/package/Makefile.dist \ (echo # Dummy file ; echo help:) scripts/package/Makefile) test ! -f stamp-debian test ! -f debian/official \ rm -rf ./debian mkdir ./debian test -f applied_patches rm -f applied_patches make: [stamp-debian] Error 1 (ignored) for patch in /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.12/apply/debian ; do\ if test -x $patch; then\ if $patch; then \ echo Patch $patch processed fine; \ echo $patch applied_patches; \ else \ echo Patch $patch failed.; \ echo Hit return to Continue; \ read ans; \ fi; \ fi; \ done E: Can't patch to nonexistent revision (wait until 2006) Patch /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.12/apply/debian failed. Hit return to Continue make: *** [stamp-debian] Interrupt So, what am I to do to apply the patches in 2.6.12? I want to recreate almost exactly the same kernel as the sid package (and use the hints from benh in #323724). Am I going hopelessly wrong someplace. This is kernel-package 9.006 from sid. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building ppc64 2.6.12 the Debian way?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven The debian patch is already included in the debian Sven linux-source-2.6.12 package, so you don'ty need to re-apply Sven them. Thanks Sven! I was confused by the description of linux-patch-debian-2.6.12 at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-patch-debian-2.6.12 which seem to indicate that I need to apply them. Does that package need to be removed from the archive or something? (Or maybe I'm just confused) Sven BTW, gcc-4.0 is also biarch. Is that what is used to build the standard kernels? Sven And finally, you should try make-kpkg --subarch powerpc64, Sven which should do the right thing as far as gcc and cflags is Sven concerned. Sven I would thus try : Sven make-kpkg --subarch powerpc64 --initrd Sven --revision=shyamal.1.0 kernel-image That is a big help, it's compiling away now. It would have taken me forever to find the subarch name. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH} Re: www.d.o: PowerPC installation pages need update
Frans == Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frans On Monday 22 August 2005 01:48, Shyamal Prasad wrote: The patch below updates the powerpc install page to describe the status as in Sarge (i.e. it reflects the installation manual). Nothing controversial here (at least AFAIK ;-) Frans Committed. Could you check the result please? The new Frans version should be online within about 4 hours. It's there. Thanks! /Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual G5 turns off after a while
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven You probably need linux-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc64 version Sven 2.6.12-5, which was the first one to enable : Sven CONFIG_THERM_PM72. Hi Sven, I've had no luck booting this kernel on my dual G5 PowerMac 7,3. I updated #319986 for this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319986 Daniel, if you managed to boot - did you have to do anything special? I have a dual 2 Ghz G5 too. Best regards, Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual G5 turns off after a while
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 23.08.2005 um 16:47 schrieb Shyamal Prasad: I've had no luck booting this kernel on my dual G5 PowerMac 7,3. I updated #319986 for this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319986 Daniel, if you managed to boot - did you have to do anything special? I have a dual 2 Ghz G5 too. Best regards, Shyamal Sven Oh, did you use the vmlinuz (with z) thingy with builtin Sven initrd ? Did you use yaboot for booting or not ? Hi Sven, What vmlinuz should I be using? ~$ dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc64 | grep vml /boot/vmlinux-2.6.12-1-powerpc64 ~$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux.old /boot/initrd.img.old lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 29 2005-08-18 22:44 /boot/initrd.img.old - initrd.img-2.6.12-1-powerpc64 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26 2005-08-18 22:44 /boot/vmlinux.old - vmlinux-2.6.12-1-powerpc64 and, yes, I'm booting via with yaboot. I'm really stumped on why this kernel is not booting my machine when it works for Daniel (who also has a PowerMac7,3). Am I missing something obvious? Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PATCH} Re: www.d.o: PowerPC installation pages need update
FJP == Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FJP http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install I can try this next - I don't run a lot of old Mac (legacy) hardware or other PowerPC systems, but it should be easy to at least sync with the install manual (at least get the current architectures right!). FJP That would be great, but please keep in mind that the PowerPC FJP installation manual has not really been updated for Sarge FJP either... Hi Frans, The patch below updates the powerpc install page to describe the status as in Sarge (i.e. it reflects the installation manual). Nothing controversial here (at least AFAIK ;-) The only curious thing is that the Sarge manual explicitly drops the IBM RS/6000 p630 as a supported machine. I did the same on the page, perhaps some one on debian-powerpc can correct this if it is still supported. Best regards, Shyamal Index: install.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/ports/powerpc/inst/install.wml,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -r1.18 install.wml --- install.wml 29 May 2003 02:29:44 - 1.18 +++ install.wml 21 Aug 2005 23:45:47 - @@ -17,7 +17,47 @@ PMac (Power-Macintosh), Apus, CHRP and PReP machines. Ports to other empowerpc/em architectures, such as the Be-Box and MBX architecture, are underway but not yet supported by Debian. We may -have a 64bit port (Power3) in the future. +have a 64bit port in the future. + +p +There are also four flavours of the powerpc kernel in Debian. These +are based on the specific CPU type in use (and should not be confused +with the architecture flavours discussed above):/p + +divdl + +dtpowerpc/dt + +ddp +Most systems use this kernel flavour, which supports the PowerPC 601, +603, 604, 740, 750, and 7400 processors. All Apple Power Macintosh +systems up to and including the G4 use processors supported by this +kernel./p/dd + +dtpower3/dt + +ddp +The POWER3 processor is used in older IBM 64-bit server systems: known +models include the IntelliStation POWER Model 265, the pSeries 610 and +640, and the RS/6000 7044-170, 7044-260, and 7044-270./p/dd + +dtpower4/dt + +ddp + +The POWER4 processor is used in more recent IBM 64-bit server systems: +known models include the pSeries 615, 630, 650, 655, 670, and 690. +The Apple G5 is also based on the POWER4 architecture, and uses this +kernel flavour./p/dd + +dtapus/dt + +ddp +This kernel flavour supports the Amiga Power-UP System. +/p/dd + +/dl/div + p Apple (and briefly a few other manufacturers - Power Computing, for example) makes a series of Macintosh computers based on the PowerPC @@ -35,9 +75,9 @@ OldWorld machines. The beige colored G3 systems are also OldWorld. p The so called NewWorld PowerMacs are any PowerMacs in translucent -colored plastic cases. The NewWorld PowerMacs are also known for using -the `ROM in RAM' system for MacOS, and were manufactured from mid-1998 -onwards. +colored plastic cases, all iMacs, iBooks, G4 and G5 systems. The +NewWorld PowerMacs are also known for using the `ROM in RAM' system +for MacOS, and were manufactured from mid-1998 onwards. pHere is a list of powerpc machines which should work with Debian./p @@ -54,15 +94,21 @@ trtdiMac Bondi Blue, 5 Flavors, Slot Loading/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdiMac Summer 2000, Early 2001/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr +trtdiMac G5/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdiBook, iBook SE, iBook Dual USB/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdiBook2/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr +trtdiBook G4/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdPower Macintosh Blue and White (Bamp;W) G3/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdPower Macintosh G4 PCI, AGP, Cube/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdPower Macintosh G4 Gigabit Ethernet/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdPower Macintosh G4 Digital Audio, Quicksilver/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr +trtdPower Macintosh G5/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdPowerBook G3 FireWire Pismo (2000)/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdPowerBook G3 Lombard (1999)/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtdPowerBook G4 Titanium/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr +trtdPowerBook G4 Aluminum/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr +trtdMac mini/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr +trtdXserve G5/td tda href=pmacpowermac-NewWorld/a/td/tr trtd colspan=2/td/tr trtdPerforma 4400, 54xx, 5500/td tda href=pmacpowermac-OldWorld/a/td/tr @@ -125,7 +171,16 @@ trtd40P, 43P/td tda href=prepPReP/a/td/tr trtdPower 830/850/860 (6070, 6050)/td tda href=prepPReP/a/td/tr trtd6015, 6030, 7025, 7043/td tda href=prepPReP/a/td/tr -trtdp640, p630 (7028-6C4)/td tda href=prepPReP/a/td/tr +trtdp640/td tda href=prepPReP/a/td/tr
Re: www.d.o: PowerPC installation pages need update
Frans == Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FJP http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install I can try this next - I don't run a lot of old Mac (legacy) hardware or other PowerPC systems, but it should be easy to at least sync with the install manual (at least get the current architectures right!). Frans That would be great, but please keep in mind that the Frans PowerPC installation manual has not really been updated for Frans Sarge either... Hi Frans, On examining the install page I found that it is pretty much a duplication of the supported hardware chapter of the woody powerpc installation guide. So I can update it to match the information in the sarge manual quite easily (and the sarge manual has been updated for newer hardware) as a first step. Could some one tell me why this duplication exists? Why can't the install page simply be a link to installation manual chapter found at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en ? Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.d.o: PowerPC installation pages need update (was: Some weirdness on debian release sites)
FJP = Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote FJP Holger Wansing noted on the d-www list (see mail below) that FJP the port pages for PowerPC are in dire need of an update FJP because they and the links on them still refer to Woody and FJP seem not to have been updated for Sarge. FJP - http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/index.en.html Hi Frans, Here is a proposed patch to index.wml that you might consider. A changelog would include * Updated CPU list to be up to date (64 bit POWER4, G5 etc) * Noted that PowerPC kernel development is now at kernel.org * woody * sarge for stable release * Noted that 64 bit CPU's run in 32 bit mode in sarge * Added William Sowerbutt's Mac Mini howto page (the only sarge based page I've found yet), moved the LPAR RS/6000 howto's into the same list * Moved the potato - woody keycode info to the bottom (no need to lose it just yet, but it is historical only) * Removed the info about yaboot version/benh kernel: sarge includes it. If there is stuff that still looks wrong it's because either (a) I can't tell it is wrong or (b) I don't the correct update. FJP http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install I can try this next - I don't run a lot of old Mac (legacy) hardware or other PowerPC systems, but it should be easy to at least sync with the install manual (at least get the current architectures right!). FJP Could you please review them and either submit patches or FJP update? Let me know if the below is acceptable and I can keep going. I'd be happy to help when and where I can;-) Cheers! Shyamal Index: index.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/ports/powerpc/index.wml,v retrieving revision 1.64 diff -u -r1.64 index.wml --- index.wml 11 Aug 2005 21:12:26 - 1.64 +++ index.wml 14 Aug 2005 23:43:08 - @@ -6,23 +6,28 @@ p img src=pics/ppc750.jpg alt=PPC-750 picture align=right The PowerPC is a a href=http://www.foldoc.org/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=RISC;\ - RISC/a microprocessor - developed by a href=http://www.chips.ibm.com/products/powerpc/;IBM/a - and a href=http://mot-sps.com/;Motorola/a. - The first such chip was the 601, released in 1992. After that, the 603 and - 604 series were developed, then 750, also known as the G3, after which came - the G4 series. - For more information on the supported PowerPC hardware, please refer - to the a href=http://penguinppc.org/about/intro.php#hardware;compatibility list/a. + RISC/a microprocessor architecture + developed by a href=http://www.ibm.com/products/powerpc/;IBM/a, + a href=http://motorola.com/;Motorola/a and a + href=www.apple.comApple/a. The PowerPC architecture allows both + 64-bit and 32-bit implementations (the 64-bit implementation includes + the 32-bit implementation). The first PowerPC microprocessor was the + 601, a 32-bit implementation released in 1992. Several other 32-bit + implementations have since been released, including the 603, 604, 750 + (G3), 7400 (G4) and the PowerQUICC embedded communications + processors. 64-bit implementations include the 620, POWER4, POWER5 + and the 970 (G5). /p p Linux for the PowerPC was first released at the 2.2.x version of - the kernel. The primary resource for PowerPC Linux development is - a href=http://penguinppc.org/;penguinppc/a, which includes - the latest released and development - a href=http://penguinppc.org/dev/kernel.shtml;Linux PowerPC kernel - sources/a. + the kernel. A key resource for PowerPC Linux development is a + href=http://penguinppc.org/;penguinppc/a. PowerPC support in the + Linux kernel is now developed as part of the `main' Linux kernel at + a href=http://kernel.org;kernel.org/a. For more information on + the PowerPC hardware supported by Linux please refer to the a + href=http://penguinppc.org/about/intro.php#hardware;compatibility + list/a. /p p @@ -36,22 +41,19 @@ p Debian PowerPC port was first officially released with Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 - (`potato'). Support for PowerPC is maintained in the release 3.0 (`woody'). + (`potato'). Support for PowerPC is maintained in the release 3.1 (`sarge'). Please see the a href=$(HOME)/releases/stable/powerpc/release-notes/ release notes/a and a href=$(HOME)/releases/stable/powerpc/\ installation manual/a for more information. /p - -h2Important!/h2 - -h3Linux Keycodes/h3 - p - When upgrading from Potato to Woody or changing kernels, there is - some a href=keycodesimportant information/a you should be aware - of regarding a change in keyboard coding. This could save you some - time and headaches! + Please note that the Sarge release does not currently support 64-bit + execution environments when used with 64-bit processors (e.g. a + POWER4 or G5). A 64-bit environment is planned for a future release + (see discussion on the a + href=http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc;debian-powerpc/a + mailing list for the latest information). /p
2.6.12 debian powerpc kernels and ppc64 ...
Sven I would like testers who want to test new powerpc kernels on Sven ppc64 machines : Sven These i have uploaded here : Sven http://people.debian.org/~luther/ppc64/kernel-image-2.6.12-sven_1_powerpc.deb Sven http://people.debian.org/~luther/ppc64/kernel-image-2.6.12-sven64_1_powerpc.deb Sven They are built out of the 2.6.12 debian kernel subversion Sven package, but built with the ubuntu glibc and gcc-4.0 Sven packages which do support biarch, something we don't (yet) Sven have in debian. Hi Sven, This fails to boot a dual 970FX G5 (PowerMac7,3). I'm not sure what the relevant parts you need are, but after the initial start it switches to a reverse video terminal mode, runs for a bit and prints about a screenful of data ending with quote time_init: decrementer frequency 33.33 Mhz smp_core99_probe smp_core99_kick_cpu smp_core99_kick_cpu done smp_core99_setup_cup 0 done 2.6.12-sven64 /quote which I copied by hand. If you need some other input from earlier let me know what you are looking for (its a pain to copy it all by hand). Here is the cpuinfo for this machine running 2.6.8-power4-smp ~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : PPC970FX clock : 2000MHz revision: 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300) bogomips: 1331.20 processor : 1 cpu : PPC970FX clock : 2000MHz revision: 3.0 (pvr 003c 0300) bogomips: 1331.20 total bogomips : 2662.40 machine : PowerMac7,3 motherboard : PowerMac7,3 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh detected as : 336 (PowerMac G5) pmac flags : L2 cache: 512K unified memory : 0MB pmac-generation : NewWorld Sorry for the sketchy info - my job has kept me off my G5 Linux box for the last few months and I've lost touch with the little idea I had about what is useful :-( Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any supported 802.11a USB/Firewire cards on powerpc?
Hi, It turns out I need to run 802.11a these days (not enough of the 2.4 Ghz spectrum around my house!). So, airport hardware is not an option (not that it always works with Linux anyway). For my powerpc (mac) based systems I'm stumped. Is there anyone out there that has used an 802.11a device with Mac hardware (I only have USB and firewire on my G4 laptop)? Heck, at this point even an OS X compatible device would be a start; at least I might have the option of working on Linux support from there. But I've not had luck even locating a device that claims support for Mac OS X (I've found bluetooth USB adapters, but not 802.11a). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] Re: G5 owners, please test ... Re: ppc64 pseries 2.6.11-2 .deb kernel available.
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 12:33:10PM -0700, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: It works. But it is missing the fan control patches from the sarge debian kernel, so my fans are going full blast. Sven Cool. Sorry about the fan control, but now that we have Sven something working, you are welcome to provide patches. I Sven think i saw something from benh about fan control on 64bit Sven kernel in debian-powerpc, need to investigate. I looked but could not find such a post from benh. But the sarge kernel seems to have CONFIG_THERM_PM72 set, while the pseries one does not. Perhaps that is all.? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep THERM /boot/config-2.6.* /boot/config-2.6.11-pseries:# CONFIG_THERM_PM72 is not set /boot/config-2.6.11-pseries:CONFIG_W1_THERM=m /boot/config-2.6.11-pseries:CONFIG_USB_CYTHERM=m /boot/config-2.6.8-power4-smp:CONFIG_THERM_PM72=y /boot/config-2.6.8-power4-smp:CONFIG_W1_THERM=m /boot/config-2.6.8-power4-smp:CONFIG_USB_CYTHERM=m Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adding a network card...
Charles == Charles Read [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Hey everybody! Wanting to throw a spare RTL-8139 NIC Charles into my G5 PPC, it looks like I don't have 8139too in Charles /lib/modules/2.6.8-power4-smp/kernel/net, how can I get Charles it there? The 8139too driver is available in the stock Debian kernel, I think you are simply looking in the wrong place. $ dlocate 8139 kernel-image-2.6.8-power4: /lib/modules/2.6.8-power4/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.ko kernel-image-2.6.8-power4: /lib/modules/2.6.8-power4/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.ko kernel-image-2.6.8-power4-smp: /lib/modules/2.6.8-power4-smp/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.ko kernel-image-2.6.8-power4-smp: /lib/modules/2.6.8-power4-smp/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.ko I would try running 'modprobe 8139too' to load it (though I have no idea if your card will work ;-) Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard Disk install on a new PowerMac G5
Francois == Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Francois downloaded initrd.gz and a kernel image (vmlinux) from Francois the daily build of the netboot installer for newworld Francois powerpc [2] (on Sven's pages I think). Francois [2] Francois http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/netboot/ I think you need the power4 variant of the netboot kernel http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/power4/netboot/ Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: G3 installation problems
bluesbravo == bluesbravo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bluesbravo Thank you for the helpi tried using RAWRITE on a bluesbravo pc, but i kept getting an error on the boot.img. the What is the error? bluesbravo file is 1.40 MG, but it wont fit on a 1.44 bluesbravo floppyat this time, i dont have access to a linux bluesbravo box with a floppy, but that will change in a couple of bluesbravo days...does anyone have any ideas as to the boot.img bluesbravo size, as i think i will seee the same problem once i The rc2 powerpc floppy-2.4 installer is 1,474,560 bytes AFAICT. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: G3 installation problems
bluesbravo == bluesbravo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bluesbravo dd if=file of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync bluesbravo above is the instruction from the install manual; the bluesbravo floppy drive on my fedora is /mnt/floppy, which i used bluesbravo instead of /dev/fd0...however, that command didnt work bluesbravo - the error message said 'floppy is a bluesbravo directory'.(please keep in mind that i am a linux bluesbravo novice) /mnt/floppy *is* a directory - it is where the floppy drive typically gets mounted when you use it 'normally'. You want to raw floppy *device*. This is almost certainly /dev/fd0 so that is what you should use. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing SMP kernel
Arnór == Arnór Kristjánsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arnór Hi, I just installed Debian on the xserve I've been Arnór battling with for the last few days, foregoing raid support Arnór and such. I used install-power4 which installs the Arnór package kernel-image-2.6.8-power4. I want to enable smp in Arnór the kernel so I installed kernel-image-2.6.8-power4-smp, Arnór ran yabootconfig which didn't ask me what kernel I wanted Arnór to use (and I'm assuming it is not its job to do that) Arnór which nets me this in /etc/yaboot.conf: What you did seems correct. What debian does (on all bootloaders I've used: grub, lilo and yaboot) is to keep sets of links as the default kernels. The first is /boot/vmlinux (and /boot/initrd.img) that points to the default kernel, and then /boot/vmlinux.old (and /boot/initrd.img.old) that points to the kernel that was the default before the current default was installed. The boot config files use this convention by default. When you apt-get a kernel your current kernel will then be pointed to by /boot/vmlinux.old and the new one by /boot/vmlinux (and so too for the corresponding initrd images). This way the kernel you just installed is the default when you reboot. Basically, if you'd just rebooted you *should* have had the kernel you just installed (the smp one :-). The nice thing about this system is it is kind of natural (you get the kernel you just installed) and it does not require updating files Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID
Arnór == Arnór Kristjánsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arnór The problem is that when selecting the raid tool it Arnór complains that there are no linux raid autodetect volumes Arnór found...and I cant select that from the Use as menu in the Arnór partitioner. My understanding is that RAID and LVM set up will not work via the installer menus on Apple systems. This is because there are no standard conventions for setting partition types in Apple partition tables. It is probably possible to set up your RAID partitions manually by using the command line on the installers virtual terminal. On returning to the menu they should be found. This trick works for LVM setup (I've never tried to set up a RAID system). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PowerMac7,3 insists it has 0 batteries and no AC power!
Hi, I have a PowerMac7,3 machine (dual G5 970FX). It does not run Linux continously just yet. So I installed anacron as I do for all such computers. This is a stock Debian sarge installation (in particular, I do not compile my own kernel). Over the last few weeks I've noticed the dlocate database is always out of dateit seems the kernel insists I am running on battery power with zero batteries. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/anacron start Starting anac(h)ronistic cron: deferred while on battery power. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/pmu/info PMU driver version : 2 PMU firmware version : 0c AC Power : 0 Battery count : 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg | grep -i pmu via-pmu: Server Mode is disabled PMU driver 2 initialized for Core99, firmware: 0c [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -i pmu /boot/config-2.6.8-power4-smp CONFIG_ADB_PMU=y [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep CONFIG_PMAC_PBOOK /boot/config-2.6.8-power4-smp CONFIG_PMAC_PBOOK=y [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r 2.6.8-power4-smp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l | grep kernel-image ii kernel-image-2 2.6.8-9Linux kernel image for 2.6.8-power4 ii kernel-image-2 2.6.8-9Linux kernel image for 2.6.8-power4-smp I did poke around in via-pmu.c for a while, but between the fact that I am recovering from some serious RSI and this comment at the top of the file * THIS DRIVER IS BECOMING A TOTAL MESS ! I decided to immediately ask for help here :-) It does seem that the battery request simply does not set the bit for AC power on this hardware (in done_battery_state_smart), and this machine is not behaving like a typical power book (for which the Debian kernel compiles code in), so, well..are there different types of core99 (Key Largo) PMUs? Or is this the Debian one kernel to rule them all approach showing the limits of how the driver is written? I'd be happy to volunteer to build and/or test fixes or provide more information, etc. etc. within limits of the fact that I am recovering from a spectacular bout with RSI. I suspect I should file a bug against the Debian powerpc kernel - right??? Or did I miss the forest for the trees? Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install questions..
Charles == Charles Read [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Hey everybody! Just installed sarge on my Dual 2Ghz G5 Charles processor PowerMac and I am wanting to make sure that the Charles hardware is being used properly... I really just want to Charles make sure that both processors are working and see if Charles there is some kind of speed test I can run to compare to Charles other boxes thanks for anything Congratulations! cat /proc/cpuinfo is usually enough for me Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge on a G5?
Charles == Charles Read [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Hey!! Does the ppc release of sarge work with the G5 Charles (970) processor? Yes! If you have a recent machine (PowerMac7,3 with the 970FX) please use a recent d-i build (20050117 or later). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge on a G5?
Charles == Charles Read [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Thinking... how do I eject the CR/DVD drive on my Charles PowerMac G5 after install? Since there is no manual Charles button It will eject by itself, and then automatically reinsert on reboot. It's kinda wierd ;-) Charles d-i? Sorry, that is jargon I've learned for Debian Installer. Get a recent daily build and I hope you have a fast net connection. http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/powerpc/ Cheers Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Building kernels (Re: Contents of /boot and /etc/yaboot.conf)
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris That's not quite what I meant: given that not building in Chris initrd means that one *must* have the right filesystems Chris [] Chris Then again, I subscribe to the first do no harm Chris philosophy of IT - it seems more useful to me for the Chris defaults on these tools to give you a bootable system Chris without necessarily optimizing very well; the optimization Chris can come later (and of course should be supported by the Chris same tools). I can't disagree with you completely, but finally we are stating opinions. I also believe you might be missing some historical context here (i've been using Linux, on Intel CPUs, since 1993 so I can claim to have some ;-) I believe the defaults are actually acceptable. The Debian philosophy (as far as I can tell, and with the arrogance to pretend to speak for the project) seems to be that users should not have to compile kernels. If you are building a kernel you are, by default, and a developer or expert user. That was not the way Linux used to be a few years ago. Four or five years ago it was common for users to build kernels, and initrd was not widely understood or used, and x86 hardware was the platform of choice and all the modern complications of supporting everything from IBM mainframes to ARM handhelds did not exist. That is not the case today: Debian supports over a dozen architectures with all kinds of configurations which is why initrd is so crucial. In your specific case my opinion is (and it is an *opinion*) that the real fault is in the linux-wlan-ng package. It does not provide modules for the default powerpc kernel, and it does not seem to compile cleanly for it either. You should not have had to build a kernel, nor compile the modules. That is the real fault. Let me put it this way: how many times did you have to compile the Win9x or NT kernels, and build device drivers from source against the kernel as a Windows admin? I'm presuming never, and Debian tries to do its best to do the same. But Debian often depends on the *charity* of its users and developers to get there. You became a developer when you started compiling. Open source at least gave you that *option* ;-) You could always go buy Yellow Dog Linux or some other distribution with support (Mandrake, Redhat come to mind) and not have to do any of this. At any rate, I'll shut up about this from here on. But I'm curious: did your card work? Did you figure out what it was that broke the linux-wlan-ng modules from compiling? I hope you got those iMacs working. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: PPC Firewire support on 2.4.18-newpmac/Debian-3.0 r1 install CD?
Gabriel == Gabriel Paubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gabriel Not surprising, since *power4* means that it is a 64 bit Gabriel kernel, i.e., for G5 aka PPC970. The Debian power4 kernels in sarge still run in 32 bit mode AFAIK. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Contents of /boot and /etc/yaboot.conf
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris I didn't use the --initrd options (or the added-patches Chris options, either) to make-kpkg. I made the mistake of Chris assuming that the defaults would be sensible. I'm Well, most people I've run into think that not having the initrd built by default is sensible. There is (was? its been a while) a certain class of Linux users who immediately recompile the kernel so they build all that they need into the kernel and not have any modules. They say this is more efficient. Whatever. It is hard to keep everyone happy. I hope you've had better (good) luck since. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPC Firewire support on 2.4.18-newpmac/Debian-3.0 r1 install CD?
Wolfgang == Wolfgang Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wolfgang The details: The hard disk broke on a PowerBook G4 Wolfgang (TitaniumIV). The repair service already installed a new Wolfgang disk to this machine. I need access to the old disk: The Wolfgang repair service will give me the chance to access the Wolfgang data on the old disk via a firewire connection from the Wolfgang Titanium to the broken disk. This will happen tomorrow Wolfgang noon. I have used recent d-i builds (Sarge RC2 and later, kernel 2.6.8) to boot a G4 laptop and it has detected an external firewire drive succesfully. The external drive in question was a newer G5 tower in target disk mode ;-) Might be worth a try: boot from CD, go to virtual terminal, mount two disks, and copy? Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Contents of /boot and /etc/yaboot.conf
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris I didn't use the --initrd options (or the added-patches Chris options, either) to make-kpkg. I made the mistake of Chris assuming that the defaults would be sensible. I'm Well, most people I've run into think that not having the initrd built by default is sensible. There is (was? its been a while) a certain class of Linux users who immediately recompile the kernel so they build all that they need into the kernel and not have any modules. They say this is more efficient. Whatever. It is hard to keep everyone happy. I hope you've had better (good) luck since. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Contents of /boot and /etc/yaboot.conf
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris And /boot. Notice that there's no initrd.img symlink. I Chris thought there was earlier, but I was obviously mistaken. The inintrd.img symlink is a convenience, and it is created by the kernel install scripts when you first install an initrd kernel. What is more important is the /boot/initrd.img-kernel-version file is missing. If you built your kernel with make-kpkg you need to provide the --initrd switch to create an initrd kernel. If you do that then when you install the kernel (with dpkg -i kernel-pkg-name.deb) it will create the initrd image for you. Which part of this do you think failed? If you do not use the --initrd switch you don't get an initrd kernel. You can safely take out the initrd line in yaboot.conf if this is the case. I suspect this is what you have done. But it's not always safe Is is usually *NOT* safe because you MUST make sure that you have built every module that you need to mount the root file system into that kernel so it can mount the root fs and find any other modules it needs. If the root fs is ext3 it needs to be built in, not a module, and so on! This can get tricky on modern h/w (like if you have a SCSI or SATA drive etc), so you should use an initrd kernel. The best ones are the Debian pre-packaged ones. Let Sven do the hard work for you ;-) One more thing: if you managed to build linux-wlan-ng against the Debian 2.6.8 sources then you should be able to use the linux-wlan-ng modules package with the pre-built Debian kernel. Oh, yes, since you really do seem to enjoy poking a system to death (I mean that as a compliment) you might find these commands mildly interesting man mkinitrd mount -t cramfs -o loop /path/to/initrd.img /mnt (of course, your kernel needs to have the loop device built in, or available as a module). It scares me that I'm giving you all this advice. I've built kernels twice this decade (last December to boot my spanking new G5 whose 970FX processors were unsupported by Debian the day I bought it, and in early 2002 to boot an 8 year old laptop with a broken SCSI card). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help compiling a kernel for iMac rev B
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris It's not that they don't work, it's that they're Chris nonexistent. Here's the relevant section from the README. Chris Prerequisites: Chris [...deleted] We must be looking at different package versionsI had downloaded linux-wlan-ng 0.2.0+0.2.1pre21-1 (in testing/sarge). It says (among other things) quote I do occasionally miss kernel releases so if it seems that I have not noticed a new kernel release and built drivers for it, check the bug tracking system at http://bugs.debian.org/linux-wlan-ng and if there is not yet a bug, file one. end quote I looked at the page and, well, it seems like the bug has been reported a while ago. Further down in README.Debian file quote Building kernel modules for stock debian kernels: As root, install the build dependencies for your kernel and for linux-wlan-ng: # apt-get build-dep linux-wlan-ng kernel-image-2.4.25-i386 Get the kernel in /usr/src: /usr/src$ apt-get source kernel-image-2.4.25-i386 Get linux-wlan-ng source in /usr/src/modules (you may have to make it): /usr/src/modules$ apt-get source linux-wlan-ng Build the module packages, replacing 'k7' with your kernel flavour(s), or leave it blank to build for all kernel flavours: /usr/src/kernel-image-2.4.25-i386-2.4.25$ sh /usr/src/modules/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0/debian/build-binary-modules k7 end quote It *looks* simple enough to me, but hey, I have not actually done it ;-) Apologies if I'm wasting bandwidth. I'm sorry to hear that. Chris That I'm disenchanted or that I used to be a Windows admin? Chris ;-) I'm sorry to hear that you're disenchanted ;-) Debian is actually a very nice distribution but it does have a bit of a learning curve at times. I hope things get better from here on. I've never been a Windows admin so I've got no idea if you deserve and/or need any sympathy for that! Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Right, so compiling my own kernel has b0rked my iMac. (was Help compiling a kernel for iMac rev B)
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You really are having all the luck;-) Chris On boot, whether I select the linux image or the old image, Chris I get the following (I believe this is an OpenFirmware Chris message): I suspect that this is from yaboot (see my disclaimer at the end of this email). Chris /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4,/boot/initrd.img:No Chris such file or directory (initrd.img.old if I try to boot the Chris old kernel). Is your root partition /dev/hda4 then? Did the stock Debian kernel ever work? Could you post your /etc/yaboot.conf? Chris Does anyone have any ideas on how I can rescue this iMac? Chris And subsequently figure out what went wrong? You can manually load the exact kernel and initrd image by hand at the yaboot prompt if you know it really is there http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/ch9.en.shtml#s9.3 Alternatively boot with debian installer, switch to a shell, mount the disk and examine it to see what went wrong. If you mount at /mnt/mydisk you could do something like chroot /mnt/mydisk mount -t proc proc /proc and then install a stock kernel you know works, figure out how to fix your yaboot.conf and run ybin again. A word of caution: my first Linux on powerpc system experience is only 4 weeks old, I have to run out for the evening and cant run tests, so some of this is from memory and perhaps not 100% accurate. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Contents of /boot and /etc/yaboot.conf
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris And /boot. Notice that there's no initrd.img symlink. I Chris thought there was earlier, but I was obviously mistaken. The inintrd.img symlink is a convenience, and it is created by the kernel install scripts when you first install an initrd kernel. What is more important is the /boot/initrd.img-kernel-version file is missing. If you built your kernel with make-kpkg you need to provide the --initrd switch to create an initrd kernel. If you do that then when you install the kernel (with dpkg -i kernel-pkg-name.deb) it will create the initrd image for you. Which part of this do you think failed? If you do not use the --initrd switch you don't get an initrd kernel. You can safely take out the initrd line in yaboot.conf if this is the case. I suspect this is what you have done. But it's not always safe Is is usually *NOT* safe because you MUST make sure that you have built every module that you need to mount the root file system into that kernel so it can mount the root fs and find any other modules it needs. If the root fs is ext3 it needs to be built in, not a module, and so on! This can get tricky on modern h/w (like if you have a SCSI or SATA drive etc), so you should use an initrd kernel. The best ones are the Debian pre-packaged ones. Let Sven do the hard work for you ;-) One more thing: if you managed to build linux-wlan-ng against the Debian 2.6.8 sources then you should be able to use the linux-wlan-ng modules package with the pre-built Debian kernel. Oh, yes, since you really do seem to enjoy poking a system to death (I mean that as a compliment) you might find these commands mildly interesting man mkinitrd mount -t cramfs -o loop /path/to/initrd.img /mnt (of course, your kernel needs to have the loop device built in, or available as a module). It scares me that I'm giving you all this advice. I've built kernels twice this decade (last December to boot my spanking new G5 whose 970FX processors were unsupported by Debian the day I bought it, and in early 2002 to boot an 8 year old laptop with a broken SCSI card). Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Help compiling a kernel for iMac rev B
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris Shyamal Prasad wrote: Is there a reason you need to compile a kernel (other than that you just want to do it)? The precompiled kernels are actually really good. Chris Oh, isn't that a can of worms. Chris All I really want to do is plug in this MN-510 wireless Chris adapter I bought that linux-wlan-ng is supposed to support. Chris But to do that I need to compile the driver module for it. Chris But that won't work unless I have properly configured Are you using the linux-wlan-ng package? Chris kernel source in /usr/source/linux (why the @$^? that is I Chris don't know, nor do I know why it won't just *^%#$ accept Chris kernel-headers or kernel-build linked there instead). Chris Apparently the only form of properly configured source it Chris will accept is source that's been used to actually build a Chris kernel. Or are you saying that the instructions in /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng/README.Debian.gz don't work? You really should file a bug in that case. Chris I picked the iMac up cheap because I figured it would be a Chris nice little terminal to try out Debian on before playing Chris around with it on the big hardware, but I am completely and Chris utterly disenchanted with both Debian and Linux by this Chris point (I used to be a senior grade Windows network admin). I'm sorry to hear that. Chris I know Debian/Linux works very well for the most part, but Chris the Debian CDs are going in the microwave for recycling as Chris coasters if I can't find documentation for commonplace Chris tasks like compiling kernel modules (or kernels) that is Chris actually correct, complete, and comprehensible. Building Debian kernels does take a little bit of a learning curve (particularly compared to some distributions where you just untar and go). However, since the 2.4.x kernels the packaging has been good enough that you rarely need to do it. Even the linux-wlan-ng package does not actually require you to compile it as far as I can tell (I don't use it). Finally, this is a purely community driven distribution. If you believe there are errors in the documentation please do write a bug report, or better yet a bug report with a suggested patch (which is easy to do for the plain text files in make-kpkg docs). I'm guilty of not doing this for kernel documents, but I rarely build them anymore. Believe me, the best thing about Debian is the community. In my experience my attempts to make a contribution as a user over the years have *always* been positively received. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help compiling a kernel for iMac rev B
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris It's not that they don't work, it's that they're Chris nonexistent. Here's the relevant section from the README. Chris Prerequisites: Chris [...deleted] We must be looking at different package versionsI had downloaded linux-wlan-ng 0.2.0+0.2.1pre21-1 (in testing/sarge). It says (among other things) quote I do occasionally miss kernel releases so if it seems that I have not noticed a new kernel release and built drivers for it, check the bug tracking system at http://bugs.debian.org/linux-wlan-ng and if there is not yet a bug, file one. end quote I looked at the page and, well, it seems like the bug has been reported a while ago. Further down in README.Debian file quote Building kernel modules for stock debian kernels: As root, install the build dependencies for your kernel and for linux-wlan-ng: # apt-get build-dep linux-wlan-ng kernel-image-2.4.25-i386 Get the kernel in /usr/src: /usr/src$ apt-get source kernel-image-2.4.25-i386 Get linux-wlan-ng source in /usr/src/modules (you may have to make it): /usr/src/modules$ apt-get source linux-wlan-ng Build the module packages, replacing 'k7' with your kernel flavour(s), or leave it blank to build for all kernel flavours: /usr/src/kernel-image-2.4.25-i386-2.4.25$ sh /usr/src/modules/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0/debian/build-binary-modules k7 end quote It *looks* simple enough to me, but hey, I have not actually done it ;-) Apologies if I'm wasting bandwidth. I'm sorry to hear that. Chris That I'm disenchanted or that I used to be a Windows admin? Chris ;-) I'm sorry to hear that you're disenchanted ;-) Debian is actually a very nice distribution but it does have a bit of a learning curve at times. I hope things get better from here on. I've never been a Windows admin so I've got no idea if you deserve and/or need any sympathy for that! Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help compiling a kernel for iMac rev B
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris I haven't the foggiest idea *what* in the trees for Chris kernel-patch-powerpc and kernel-patch-debianlogo (the two Chris patches I would like to install) qualifies as Chris /path/to/kernel/patch. When I tried make-kpkg Chris --added-patches debianlogo,powerpc, it told me neither Chris patch could be installed (in the first case it was Chris serial.diff, in the second the whole patch just failed). After you install kernel-patch-debianlogo and kernel-patch-powerpc you don't have to run the patch command manually. You just run make-kpkg and it will apply it for you. Is that what you were doing? Is there a reason you need to compile a kernel (other than that you just want to do it)? The precompiled kernels are actually really good. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Help compiling a kernel for iMac rev B
Chris == Chris Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris Shyamal Prasad wrote: Is there a reason you need to compile a kernel (other than that you just want to do it)? The precompiled kernels are actually really good. Chris Oh, isn't that a can of worms. Chris All I really want to do is plug in this MN-510 wireless Chris adapter I bought that linux-wlan-ng is supposed to support. Chris But to do that I need to compile the driver module for it. Chris But that won't work unless I have properly configured Are you using the linux-wlan-ng package? Chris kernel source in /usr/source/linux (why the @$^? that is I Chris don't know, nor do I know why it won't just *^%#$ accept Chris kernel-headers or kernel-build linked there instead). Chris Apparently the only form of properly configured source it Chris will accept is source that's been used to actually build a Chris kernel. Or are you saying that the instructions in /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng/README.Debian.gz don't work? You really should file a bug in that case. Chris I picked the iMac up cheap because I figured it would be a Chris nice little terminal to try out Debian on before playing Chris around with it on the big hardware, but I am completely and Chris utterly disenchanted with both Debian and Linux by this Chris point (I used to be a senior grade Windows network admin). I'm sorry to hear that. Chris I know Debian/Linux works very well for the most part, but Chris the Debian CDs are going in the microwave for recycling as Chris coasters if I can't find documentation for commonplace Chris tasks like compiling kernel modules (or kernels) that is Chris actually correct, complete, and comprehensible. Building Debian kernels does take a little bit of a learning curve (particularly compared to some distributions where you just untar and go). However, since the 2.4.x kernels the packaging has been good enough that you rarely need to do it. Even the linux-wlan-ng package does not actually require you to compile it as far as I can tell (I don't use it). Finally, this is a purely community driven distribution. If you believe there are errors in the documentation please do write a bug report, or better yet a bug report with a suggested patch (which is easy to do for the plain text files in make-kpkg docs). I'm guilty of not doing this for kernel documents, but I rarely build them anymore. Believe me, the best thing about Debian is the community. In my experience my attempts to make a contribution as a user over the years have *always* been positively received. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Very slow ftp daemon - what's wrong??
Bjorn == Bjorn Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bjorn I have a problem here. I'm running Sarge on two computers Bjorn in a small local network. Both computers have a 100Mbit Bjorn network card installed but despite this I get very poor Bjorn performance using the proftpd daemon. Not even 1Mbit.. 8-( Bjorn Proftpd is installed on both computers. Hi Brjorn, Perhaps you're way ahead of me here, but out of curiosity I will ask: What is the best performance you get between those two machines. Something like scp largefile [EMAIL PROTECTED]:path will give you a some kind of baseline rate to compare with. What I am asking is are you sure you have isolated the problem to proftpd alonge, or is this something to do with these two machines (like a seriously slow disk, driver, some reason that one card has negotiated 10 Mbps, a slow FTP proxy between them)? I no longer run a ftp daemon, so I can't offer much more assistance. The only thing I can think is to turn of UseReverseDNS and IdentLookups in the config file, but from memory that only affects the connect time and not the transfer rate. Cheers! Shyamal
Bug#290702: [powerpc] Default kernel installed for reboot is wrong, G5 PowerMac7,3
Package: installation-reports Severity: important INSTALL REPORT Debian-installer-version: 20010114 Netinst Daily Build uname -a: Default install fails (see below), expert mode requires 2.6.8-power4 Date: January 15, 2005 1700 PST Method: Boot off CD, used install-power4 kernel, used mirrors.kernel.org as apt source Machine: Apple Dual 2.0 Ghz G5 Power Macintosh (PowerMac7,3) Processor: 970FX Memory: 512MB Root Device: /devsda4 (on 160G SATA drive) # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/sda4 / ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/sda3 noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/hda/media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 Output of lspci and lspci -n: lspci :f0:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc.: Unknown device 0059 :f0:10.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200 Ultra] (rev a1) 0001:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-8131 PCI-X Bridge (rev 12) 0001:00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-8131 PCI-X Bridge (rev 12) 0001:00:03.0 PCI bridge: Apple Computer Inc. K2 HT-PCI Bridge 0001:00:04.0 PCI bridge: Apple Computer Inc. K2 HT-PCI Bridge 0001:00:05.0 PCI bridge: Apple Computer Inc. K2 HT-PCI Bridge 0001:00:06.0 PCI bridge: Apple Computer Inc. K2 HT-PCI Bridge 0001:00:07.0 PCI bridge: Apple Computer Inc. K2 HT-PCI Bridge 0001:01:07.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. K2 KeyLargo Mac/IO (rev 60) 0001:01:08.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. K2 KeyLargo USB 0001:01:09.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. K2 KeyLargo USB 0001:02:0b.0 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 0001:02:0b.1 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 0001:02:0b.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) 0001:03:0d.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. K2 ATA/100 0001:03:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Apple Computer Inc. K2 FireWire 0001:04:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Apple Computer Inc. K2 GMAC (Sun GEM) 0001:05:0c.0 IDE interface: ServerWorks: Unknown device 0240 lspci -n :f0:0b.0 0600: 106b:0059 :f0:10.0 0300: 10de:0321 (rev a1) 0001:00:01.0 0604: 1022:7450 (rev 12) 0001:00:02.0 0604: 1022:7450 (rev 12) 0001:00:03.0 0604: 106b:0045 0001:00:04.0 0604: 106b:0046 0001:00:05.0 0604: 106b:0047 0001:00:06.0 0604: 106b:0048 0001:00:07.0 0604: 106b:0049 0001:01:07.0 ff00: 106b:0041 (rev 60) 0001:01:08.0 0c03: 106b:0040 0001:01:09.0 0c03: 106b:0040 0001:02:0b.0 0c03: 1033:0035 (rev 43) 0001:02:0b.1 0c03: 1033:0035 (rev 43) 0001:02:0b.2 0c03: 1033:00e0 (rev 04) 0001:03:0d.0 ff00: 106b:0043 0001:03:0e.0 0c00: 106b:0042 0001:04:0f.0 0200: 106b:004c 0001:05:0c.0 0101: 1166:0240 Base System Installation Checklist: [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it Initial boot worked:[O] Configure network HW: [O] Config network: [O] Detect CD: [O] Load installer modules: [O] Detect hard drives: [O] Partition hard drives: [O] -- LVM does not work Create file systems:[O] Mount partitions: [O] Install base system:[O] Install boot loader:[O] Reboot: [E] -- wrong kernel by default! Comments/Problems: G5 PowerMac7,3 (970FX CPU) needs the power4 kernel to boot. However, when using the default install (install-power4 at the yaboot prompt) and where the system is getting ready to reboot after installing the base system it actually installs the kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc kernel, even though I chose -power4 for my initial boot from CD! As a result the reboot (and so the install) fails! When using expert-power4 to install I get to pick my kernel so I can choose kernel-image-2.6.8-power4 and the reboot is fine (since the latest version in Sarge now supports the 970FX processor). In expert mode I would say d-i works nearly perfectly. The only issue is the RAID and LVM menu options don't actually work (discussed recently on debian-boot and debian-powerpc, I will file a bug separately). Great job folks! I have not installed Debian since before Woody went stable: this is a huge improvement. This machine has yet to transition to being my daily workstation so I will be happy to help test d-i for this kind of hardware.
Re: AGP support on PowerMac G5?
Patrick == Patrick Finnegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patrick So, I'm trying to get my new G5 desktop set up, and was Patrick having a hard time getting X to work, until I found out Patrick that it aparently is required to run using the fbdev Patrick driver. Has there been any work on getting X to run Patrick natively? fbdev performace, while not horrible, isn't Patrick really the best, and it'd be nice to have X directly Patrick working with my Radeon 9600XT card. This will probably not be particularly helpful, but my G5 does not run with fbdev (as far as I can tell anyway). However, I do have a different card Section Device Identifier GeForce FX5200 Driver nv BusID PCI:240:16:0 EndSection As I understand these things you do not need the AGP just because your card is on an agp bus. I don't know AGP very well (but I was once very intimately familiar with PCI), but I believe that unless you use the AGP features they otherwise work just like a PCI device. I could be completely wrong. The machine I'm writing this on has a US$25 card (an ATI XPert98, 2x AGP, probably more like $5 these days :-) plugged into a 4x AGP slot on the motherboard, but I do *NOT* have AGP running in my kernel (2.4.27-k7, stock Debian). It works great. I'm pretty sure I did not try AGP support on the G5 either (power4 2.6.8-9 Debian). In fact I believe AGP support is not quite there yetbut I hardly miss it (who needs AGP to run a stinkin emacs and a few xterms, gcc and friends ;-) Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AGP support on PowerMac G5?
Patrick == Patrick Finnegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patrick So, I'm trying to get my new G5 desktop set up, and was Patrick having a hard time getting X to work, until I found out Patrick that it aparently is required to run using the fbdev Patrick driver. Has there been any work on getting X to run Patrick natively? fbdev performace, while not horrible, isn't Patrick really the best, and it'd be nice to have X directly Patrick working with my Radeon 9600XT card. This will probably not be particularly helpful, but my G5 does not run with fbdev (as far as I can tell anyway). However, I do have a different card Section Device Identifier GeForce FX5200 Driver nv BusID PCI:240:16:0 EndSection As I understand these things you do not need the AGP just because your card is on an agp bus. I don't know AGP very well (but I was once very intimately familiar with PCI), but I believe that unless you use the AGP features they otherwise work just like a PCI device. I could be completely wrong. The machine I'm writing this on has a US$25 card (an ATI XPert98, 2x AGP, probably more like $5 these days :-) plugged into a 4x AGP slot on the motherboard, but I do *NOT* have AGP running in my kernel (2.4.27-k7, stock Debian). It works great. I'm pretty sure I did not try AGP support on the G5 either (power4 2.6.8-9 Debian). In fact I believe AGP support is not quite there yetbut I hardly miss it (who needs AGP to run a stinkin emacs and a few xterms, gcc and friends ;-) Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Debian on a Dual G5?
Charles == Charles Read [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Hey crew! Thinking about installing Sarge on a Dual 2Ghz Charles PowerMac G5, is that possible via the ppc release? If you have an older machine (a PowerMac7,2 with the 970 G5 processor) it should work with no problems or so I'm told. If you look at the About This Mac information in OS X and your CPU version is 2.2. this is what you have (I think, I don't own this type of machine). If you have a newer machine (a PowerMac7,3 with the 970FX G5 processor) it should work with tomorrow's (or perhaps Jan 15) debian installer daily build. Support was added in December http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/12/msg00806.html This kind of machine reports its CPU Type in About This Mac as a PowerPC G5 (3.0). If you just can't wait you can use a recent daily build (Jan 2005) if you are prepared to hack things a tiny bit as suggested here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/01/msg00159.html Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Debian on a Dual G5?
Charles == Charles Read [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Gotchya sorry. Looks like I'm 2.2. How do I tell Charles Debian I have 2 processors though? After the install finishes (it will run on one CPU) you install the kernel-image-2.6-power4-smp package. This will give you the latest, sarge 2.6 smp kernel. It will automatically use all your CPUs. Do let us know how succesful you are! Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Debian on a Dual G5?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 07:34:54PM -0800, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: If you have a newer machine (a PowerMac7,3 with the 970FX G5 processor) it should work with tomorrow's (or perhaps Jan 15) debian installer daily build. Support was added in December http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/12/msg00806.html This kind of machine reports its CPU Type in About This Mac as a PowerPC G5 (3.0). Sven Indeed, but the modules .udebs corresponding to said kernel Sven are not yet in sarge, which could cause some problems. I suspected they would move in the next day or so since the latest kernel-patch-powerpc-2.6.8 (and the corresponding kernels) finally got into sarge tonight. Or am I not reading the Why is package X not in testing yet? pages.? I was hoping to get a clean d-i installation this weekend :-) Cheers! Shyamal
Re: Bug#260763: [powerpc] Problems with logical volume setup during installation
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 08:50:48PM -0800, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: I created a partition with type Linux_LVM and name LVM_Test using mac-fdisk. I put an ext3 file system on the partition so I could fsck/mount it to see if the Mac OS programs or OF screwed around with the partition data itself. Then I did the following tests. Booted into Mac OS X 10.3.7 (Open Firmware 5.1.8f7) and used the Disk Utility to look at the partitions. The test partition shows up, and a Get Info showed its type as 'Linux_LVM'. Booted back into Linux and the Linux_LVM partition was still good. Sven Tell me, when you create a Apple_UNIX_SVR2 partition, does Sven it show up too ? Actually, yes. The latest Disk Utility seems to show all partitions other than the Apple_Bootstrap partition and those mysterious ones that I believe are related to the partition map itself (the first one annd the last one, I think). So I can see the Apple_UNIX_SVR2 partitions too. On the older MacOS releases only the HFS+ partition shows up. Sven I guess not, then this would be the main difference, and we Sven have to see if : Sven 1) we can get apple to recognize those. I don't believe this is a problem with the latest Mac OS X. Sven 2) people can live with this smallish difference. If they are running Linux and BSD on older MacOS I suppose they already do :-) Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel packago 2.6.8-9 sources ?
vinai == vinai [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: vinai On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Sven Luther wrote: Have you tried the debian powerpc kernels 2.6.8-8 and -9, which include support for G5 thermal management ? vinai I was wondering where one would obtain the sources for this vinai package? The link: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-build-2.6.8-powerpc vinai still points to the 2.6.8-6 sources. It is in unstable (and will be there until the the powerpc kernel patches get hinted out of testing). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel packago 2.6.8-9 sources ?
vinai == vinai [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: vinai On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Sven Luther wrote: Have you tried the debian powerpc kernels 2.6.8-8 and -9, which include support for G5 thermal management ? vinai I was wondering where one would obtain the sources for this vinai package? The link: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-build-2.6.8-powerpc vinai still points to the 2.6.8-6 sources. It is in unstable (and will be there until the the powerpc kernel patches get hinted out of testing). Cheers! Shyamal
Re: howto move from yellow dog - debian
Russell == Russell McManus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russell Thanks for taking an interest. Much appreciated. Russell eth0: MACE at 00:05:02:76:a5:13, chip revision 25.64 Russell eth1: Digital DS21143 Tulip rev 48 at 0xd1465000, Russell 08:00:2B:C5:A1:92, IRQ 29. Russell Any voodoo I can do from the command line to get these Russell cards recognized once I've successfully booted the Russell install kernel? I don't know this hardware very well, but I believe you are looking for either the 'tulip' or 'de4x5' drivers (quick Google search). Your best bet would be to look at the YDL dmesg output to see what driver is good for you card (presumably this works on YDL?). Then switch to a virtual console in d-i at some point (after hardware detection) and try doing insmod driver to see if it comes up. There might be an easier way to try this in the expert- installer. Unfortunately I can't tell you right now if these drivers are in the d-i kernel (have to run to work), they certainly are in the prepackaged kernels (for x86 anyway :-). I've Cc'ed debian-powerpc, perhaps some one can tell you right away. Best regards, Shyamal
Re: [powerpc] Problems with logical volume setup during installation
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 09:54:14PM -0800, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: 1) PowerMac does not currently have Partition types for Linux. Today we are just using an Apple defined type (Apple_UNIX_SVR2) which is safe. Sven What exactly do you mean by safe ? I meant that it does not cause Apple's OF and other software to barf. Presumably Apple's code will tolerate unknown partition types 3) A proposal (from Sven, for example) is to use 'Linux LVM' as a partition type on PowerMac systems. Sven Yes, we should do the same for 'Linux RAID' (altough i would Sven use an underscore in both cases). OK. grunt work), but I'm not even sure where to start. I don't even Sven Maybe start with the lvm-tools debian maintainers ? OK. /Shyamal
Re: Bug#260763: [powerpc] Problems with logical volume setup during installation
Michael == Michael Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael s/MockOS/MacOS/g Michael to anything but Apple_Bootstrap, Apple_HFS, Michael Apple_UNIX_SVR2 or Apple_Free. If you're sure (or just Michael reasonably confident) Linux_LVM will be ignored by Michael Sven Just give it a try and enlighten us. Michael Just as soon as I get another spare disk. BTW anyone can Michael try that, so the call goes to the Mac users in general. I have a PowerMac7,3 (Dual G5) that is intended to run Linux so I gave it a shot. I created a partition with type Linux_LVM and name LVM_Test using mac-fdisk. I put an ext3 file system on the partition so I could fsck/mount it to see if the Mac OS programs or OF screwed around with the partition data itself. Then I did the following tests. Booted into Mac OS X 10.3.7 (Open Firmware 5.1.8f7) and used the Disk Utility to look at the partitions. The test partition shows up, and a Get Info showed its type as 'Linux_LVM'. Booted back into Linux and the Linux_LVM partition was still good. Then I put the G5 into target disk mode after hooking it to a G4 Laptop (can you tell Mac's are becoming popular in this family?) with a firewire cable. The G4 runs Mac OS X 10.2.8, Open Firmware 4.7.2f2. I used Disk Utility on it to examine the target mode disk on the G5, and only the HFS+ partition with Mac OS X showed up. I booted the G5 back into Linux, the Linux partition is there and looked good. Then I put the G5 back in target disk mode. On the laptop I fired up Mac OS 9.2.2 US System Profiler (via OS 10.2.8) and looked at 'Devices and Volumes'. I only see the HFS+ volume there. Okay, so I booted the G5 into Linux and the Linux_LVM partition was still good. Okay, so I boot the G5 into target disk mode one last time with laptop powered off. Then I boot laptop into it's Open Firmware. Look around with devalias. I don't see the G5 disk - I don't know if there is something I can do to mount it so I can't see if this firmware rev. screws with it (no, I don't have permission to do any Linux stuff on the G4 laptop so I can't put a test partition on it directly :-) So, yes, I think the partition names don't freak out the last 2 or 3 generations of MacOS software. If I'm missing some obvious test let me know, I should be able to try it. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: G5 thermal module... Louder under Linux than OS X?
Christian == Christian Luijten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian Hi, I've installed Debian on my PowerMac7,3 a few days Christian ago (thanks again, Sven) and it seems that it is louder Christian than it is under OS X. A quick look inside showed that Christian the two front CPU fans are blowing at full power, Christian whereas on OS X they would be blowing at a fraction of Christian this speed. I don't seem to see this problem (Dual 2Ghz PowerMac7,3), but I have two other computers often running which are much noisier. You can actually look at the details in /sys/devices/temprature/ if I remember correctly. You should be able to track the fan speed over a period of time. Christian Are the speeds user-adjustable or are they fiddling Christian with constants in the driver or how can they be Christian controlled, if at all? I don't believe there is a way to control them. You can look in the kernel source drivers/macintosh/therm_pm72.c file if you want details: it looks like a PID controller algorithm with fixed constants. Christian Would it be possible to turn all fans off for a few Christian seconds and turn them on one by one? I have a strange Christian noise coming from the case which I hope to pinpoint. Perhaps you need to remount the pexiglass cover? That did it for me :-) Cheers! Shyamal
Re: howto move from yellow dog - debian
Russell == Russell McManus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russell I've got a 9600/MP running yellow dog linux, that I'd Russell like to upgrade to sarge. But I had some trouble with Russell the sarge install cd, which I have so far been unable to Russell resolve. (See Message-ID: Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED], subject line was Russell sarge install help on 9600MP) I can't find the article - do you have a link? Russell So I would like to ask: are there any nifty ways to Russell install sarge from a running, non-debian system? You can deboostrap the install from the running system. See for example http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html and http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/59455/ for some ideas, and improvise from there. I had to this recently because the installer would not boot my hardware, and I used a Gentoo live CD (which did boot) to install so I had a host system on which to build a patched Debian kernel. Not knowing what your exact problem is I can't really recommend this step unless it is the only way out. But it works ;-) Cheers! Shyamal
Re: [powerpc] Problems with logical volume setup during installation
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:21:35PM -0800, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: Okay. I suppose this (powermac lvm for d-i) might not happen by the time Sarge releases. I'd be happy to take a look at it, but I might not have the skills and/or time Sven No, the code is trivial (one small parted change, and one Sven upload of parted to move into sarge), what needs doing is Sven discussing this with other distros which run on powermac and Sven lvm upstream. Hmmm...I'm still trying to understand what the consensus (solution) should be. Please correct me where/if I'm wrong below, : 1) PowerMac does not currently have Partition types for Linux. Today we are just using an Apple defined type (Apple_UNIX_SVR2) which is safe. 2) LVM tools can't tell which partitions contain LVM volumes because there is no standard partition type for them. It is not sufficient to look at an Apple_UNIX_SVR2 partition and determine if it contains physical volumes (yes? why?). 3) A proposal (from Sven, for example) is to use 'Linux LVM' as a partition type on PowerMac systems. 4) The parition *name* will not have any real effect on this setup. It is far too easy for users to change names. 5) The consensus on this paritition type will have to involve upstream lvm and then d-i and partman can be fixed in Debian to use this type. If upstream lvm agrees, then all Distro's will end up using 'Linux LVM' as the type and there will be no compatibility problems in the future. 6) It seems that a single 'Linux LVM' type is enough. Is there not a need to tell between LVM1 and LVM2 partitions? There must still be a lot of 2.4.x users out there I'm willing to do any grunt work to get this consensus (with any corrections for my ignorance, I'm presuming this really is grunt work), but I'm not even sure where to start. I don't even know who LVM upstream really is (the HOTWO at tldp is from Redhat, are they the LVM upstream). Or did Michael Schmitz already offer to drive this? Does the Sarge ppc installation manual needs an update for the Sven As i understand manual modifications are too late anyway, Sven but then it would be easier to fix the issue. Since Frans pointed out that this is actually possible I will probably write an bug and propose a patch in any case. Cheers! Shyamal (who never suspected powerpc would be all this fun ;-)
Re: [patch] Re: Installing on a Dual CPU G5 Powermac?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven Well, we don't care, since the daily built are on Sven people.debian.org (gluck). I learned that too late to help, but now I know! The machine is running from my previous hacked install, but I really want to try out the new installer. I'll certainly submit an installation report when I'm done. Sven Ok, please do it. It seems that the d-i daily build uses the latest d-i kernel from sid, but the kernel that it actually installs is from sarge! So my system fails at the reboot stage since the new kernel is not on the d-i image!!! Sort of took the grins off my face :-) I worked around this by apt-getting the kernel from sid before the reboot step, and then it all went pretty good (except for LVM, see below). I'll do the installation report when the new kernel makes it into the d-i build. No point in reporting a difficult install for a problem I know will be fixed shortly. Also, I could not get the LVM stuff to work with the menu interface. I need to get that figured out, but that is a different thread and/or bug report (seems to be like #260763). Cheers! Shyamal
Bug#260763: [powerpc] Problems with logical volume setup during installation
Hi, I was using d-i daily build for powerpc (Jan 4, 2005) to install on an Apple Dual G5 (PowerMac7,3). I find that the LVM menu items in the installer do not work in a manner very similar to what is described in this bug report (though this report is for a x86 machine). Basically I cannot create physical volumes (using expert- too) via the menus, and the LV menus then clearly do not work. It seems that the options described in the latest installation guide (6.3.2.2, to use a partition as a PV for LVM) just do not show up! Because my hardware is really new the d-i daily build is not quite ready though a solution is in place, please see #287030 for details. This is why I don't want to write an installation report just yet. Please let me know how you want to proceed with this issue (new bug? work with this one? retitle it?). I can easily reproduce this situation, and I'm willing to spend time on it. Best regards, Shyamal
Re: Bug#260763: [powerpc] Problems with logical volume setup during installation
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven No, lvm could be added to partman in no time, but Colin Sven Watson voted against this, and rightly so, since he claimed Sven that we should not use a quick hack, but come to a consensus Sven on the way of doing this with both the d-i team and the Sven lvm-config tools (also upstream probably), for future Sven portability issue. Sven Nobody did really find the time to push this, and thus there Sven is no lvm support on powermac (altough there should be no Sven problem on prep and ibm chrp hardware, and i have solution Sven for pegasos too). Okay. I suppose this (powermac lvm for d-i) might not happen by the time Sarge releases. I'd be happy to take a look at it, but I might not have the skills and/or time Does the Sarge ppc installation manual needs an update for the powermac exception then? Should I file a bug against the manual? I could probably write a patch for the manual (in English) if it was desired - the source for the manual is in svn on alioth, right? Thanks, Shyamal
Re: Is the woody kernel dangerous?
Joerg == Joerg Rossdeutscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joerg Hi, I use an oldworld mac / woody as router: Joerg uname -a Linux aurora 2.4.18-powerpc #1 Fri Apr 9 13:27:56 Joerg UTC 2004 ppc unknown Joerg This kernel image is from 2002 (file date in debian Joerg pool). There is no update available for woody. The version in the archive for kernel-image-2.4.18-powerpc is 2.4.18-1woody5 from a security update. The change log indicates patches from Apr 2004. http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.4.18-powerpc I no longer run Woody at home, and my job no longer requires me to adminster one. But as I remember my woody boxes (all x86, I'm a powerpc newbie) you did NOT automatically get the latest kernel by doing an apt-get update. You had to explicitly get and install the latest kernel. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: [patch] Re: Installing on a Dual CPU G5 Powermac?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 11:05:19AM -0800, Shyamal Prasad Sven wrote: Sorry to bother you again. It seems that the last d-i powerpc daily build was on Dec 31. Any idea what is sticking? Sven Because debiandoc-sgml was breaking my daily-build Sven script. Fixed now, and just did an upload earlier. tomorrow Sven everything should be back to normal. Heh...cdimage.debian.org died (power supply failure) while I was donwloading. I finally got the Jan 4 build today after the system was repaired: it seems to work fine (I did not complete the install; vacation is over, my real job is back, time is short :-) The machine is running from my previous hacked install, but I really want to try out the new installer. I'll certainly submit an installation report when I'm done. Thanks for getting this fixed so quickly! babble I have purchased 5 pre built computers in the last 12 years, with the last one being this Apple G5 (all others were x86). Each and everyone of them required some hacking to get Linux to boot, four out of the five required me to patch the kernel just to boot them, the other one had it's IDE channel at an odd address. I've installed Linux for many other people, and at work and it's always been painless in those cases! Just my own machines are never easyI must be jinxed..;-) /babble Cheers! Shyamal
Re: [patch] Re: Installing on a Dual CPU G5 Powermac?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 06:24:19PM -0800, shyamal wrote: Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven Notice that the fixed kernel is still only in unstable, and Sven has not yet propagated to testing, because we first need to Sven remove the kernel-patch-powerpc-2.6.8 binary package from Sven the archive, which needs a ftp-master intervention. It was Sven already hinted, but i don't know how long it will take to Hi Sven, Thanks for the note. As it turns out I had pulled the kernel from sid once you uploaded it (until then I used my hacked kernel to boot my deboostrapped install, but I very sorely missed the patched thermal driver! :-). I did notice that your changelog noted the removal of kernel-patch-powerpc-2.6.8 and the migration of the two patches into the main kernel patches. I repaired my old PC with a new K7 motherboard so at least I have a working Linux machine. That allows me to experiment with the new d-i and test it over the next few days at a more relaxed pace and still play my music ;-) Thanks! Shyamal
Re: Debian + Mac OSX: boot directly from debian?
William == William Xuuu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William Hi, On my dual system, i've to press Alt while booting to William choose debian, or Mac OSX will boot as default. How to William set debian as the default boot system? thanks. I'm new to Mac OS X and ppc Linux, but what kind of system is this? Are you booting with yaboot? If so you I believe you need to add the line defaultos=linux default=label where label is the label for the default kernel image you want to boot to /etc/yaboot.conf Cheers! Shyamal
Re: PowerPC desktop -- asking for trouble?
Igor == Igor Khavkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Igor That's good to know. I think I'll hold my plans for a bit Igor until I hear more about sound support. Are there other Igor things that you've found missing on the G5 compared to the Igor x86 platform? Not yet, but I doubt there will be. Debian is pretty uniform across architectures unless software is specific to the architecture. I can't really tell I'm on powerpc (except for the sound, but I've not attacked that just yet). Speaking of that, the only negative I've run into yet has been yaboot. It is a step backwards from grub, but heck, how many times do you boot a machine? Igor Overall, would you rate your switch as a positive thing? Absolutely. And I had an incredible learning experience since the standard Debian kernel for powerpc (2.6.8) did not support this box the day I bought it. The best thing about Debian remains the community. It was impressive to see how helpful people are, and how quickly the support was patched in. Cheers! Shyamal
Re: [patch] Re: Installing on a Dual CPU G5 Powermac?
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on Dec 31: Sven I uploaded yesterday after the dinstall run, the next run Sven was a few hours ago, and the packages (both the .deb and the Sven .udebs used by d-i) should be in the archive now. The d-i Sven daily built are quicked each day at around 9 european time, Sven so it will be for next year. I have 256kb upload though, so Sven they should make it to the web site quicker than they used Sven to. Hi Sven, Sorry to bother you again. It seems that the last d-i powerpc daily build was on Dec 31. Any idea what is sticking? Cheers! Shyamal
