Re: Debian Core Consortium
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Frost wrote: * Ian Murdock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Stephen Frost wrote: Uh, my response would be appropriate if Debian *did* have the trademark policy Linus uses for Linux. It's basically ask first, get an official submark before using it, or don't use it. I've had a company called Progeny Linux Systems for over five years now and have been involved in various other organizations through the years which included the name Linux (like the Linux Core Consortium), and I've yet to have to ask Linus for permission to use the Linux trademark. I'm sure Bill Gates would demand if its name was used in something like Windows Core Consortiu, but are we Microsoft? I think if it affect Debian in a bad form, we must force to forget that use. Is this the case? I think no. - -- e-mail: Miguel Gea Milvaques debian(@nospam)miguelgea.com Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/xerakko/ GnuPG key: 0x580808C4 Key fingerprint = 85A0 06FD 9A6C 4701 27C2 5536 3533 50CA 5808 08C4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC5KZ0NTNQylgICMQRAnAqAKC9gQOIirgBPuLT4B8c32JW6buzwQCaA9s1 CD8r9ihO/1sfj4/b3h/xdws= =d8AM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Core Consortium
* Alexander Wirt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050724 12:58]: Florian Weimer schrieb am Sonntag, den 24. Juli 2005: How is Debian related to the Debian Core Consortium? Why are they using the name Debian? Maybe you sould wait until its been more than a plan to do something before crying about names. There isn't anything official yet about the Consortium. If the quote | A spokesperson for Xandros said, Xandros is actively working with | Progeny on the Debian Core Consortium. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1836184,00.asp is correct, than there is something official, as Xandors has confirmed it. Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Core Consortium
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Martin Michlmayr wrote: Trusted Debian was an open source project too and yet the Debian project felt their use of the DEBIAN mark wasn't appropriate. There is an effort going on to update the trademark policy (which will also make it clearer that it's not just about businesses). Maybe it would be great to come up with something that can be used by everyone interested. I'm thinking along the lines granting a license to use Debian derived as part of the name for products / efforts to create products derived from Debian, so that Debian derived trusted Gnu/Linux or Consortium for a Debian derived core would be covered. OK, now it's time to admit that I'm not a marketing expert and the examples offered do suck, but maybe it's a good idea. After all, we do like derived distros to reference Debian... This sounds like something reasonable to do in terms of a trademark policy but there's a couple problems with it. If 'Debian derived' actually falls under trademark requirements at all (I'm not sure it does) and, if it does, then people still need to ask Debian/SPI for an official submark before using it. Basically, that kind of a policy is fine, but doesn't remove the need for Debian/SPI to protect its trademarks. I havn't mentioned this before but I get the impression, at least from LMI, that creating submarks and handling the licenseing of such probably requires some amount of a lawyer's time and I'm not 100% sure it'd really be fair to ask someone to do that pro-bono. In the end we may have to establish a setup similar to LMI. I don't like it, but I like the idea of Microsoft selling 'Ultimate Debian' much, much less. Stephen signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Core Consortium
Stephen Frost wrote: * Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maybe it would be great to come up with something that can be used by everyone interested. I'm thinking along the lines granting a license to use Debian derived as part of the name for products / efforts to create products derived from Debian, so that Debian derived trusted Gnu/Linux or Consortium for a Debian derived core would be covered. OK, now it's time to admit that I'm not a marketing expert and the examples offered do suck, but maybe it's a good idea. After all, we do like derived distros to reference Debian... This sounds like something reasonable to do in terms of a trademark policy but there's a couple problems with it. If 'Debian derived' actually falls under trademark requirements at all (I'm not sure it does) and, if it does, then people still need to ask Debian/SPI for an official submark before using it. Basically, that kind of a policy is fine, but doesn't remove the need for Debian/SPI to protect its trademarks. Well, my idea was that it might be nice to have some general license (similar in spirit but likely not as liberal as free software license) for a submark to offer something to people deriving Debian and not create too much burden. Note that above proposal would not cover t-shirts, travel agencies and whatnot, so it might be more restrictive, but easier and cheaper than LMI (and charging 200 Euros/year to nonprofits seems very undesirable). Kind regards T. -- Thomas Viehmann, http://thomas.viehmann.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Core Consortium
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050725 22:32]: Stephen Frost wrote: * Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maybe it would be great to come up with something that can be used by everyone interested. I'm thinking along the lines granting a license to use Debian derived as part of the name for products / efforts to create products derived from Debian, so that Debian derived trusted Gnu/Linux or Consortium for a Debian derived core would be covered. OK, now it's time to admit that I'm not a marketing expert and the examples offered do suck, but maybe it's a good idea. After all, we do like derived distros to reference Debian... This sounds like something reasonable to do in terms of a trademark policy but there's a couple problems with it. If 'Debian derived' actually falls under trademark requirements at all (I'm not sure it does) and, if it does, then people still need to ask Debian/SPI for an official submark before using it. Basically, that kind of a policy is fine, but doesn't remove the need for Debian/SPI to protect its trademarks. Well, my idea was that it might be nice to have some general license (similar in spirit but likely not as liberal as free software license) for a submark to offer something to people deriving Debian and not create too much burden. Just that trademark law is even more braindamaged and would make it at least quite difficult to make such a general license. Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {SPAM} Re: Debian Core Consortium
Em Dom, 2005-07-24 às 10:44 -0500, Ian Murdock escreveu: But I don't see anything in here that's incompatible with what we're doing--for one, this isn't a business (it's not even really a consortium, since there won't be any formal organization behind it--the best way to describe it is that it's an open-source project). I have a little question... Even if this organization is called Debian Core Consortium, it *is* referring to Debian itself, isn't it? Maybe I'm just missing the point, but... Wouldn't I be allowed[1] to create a Debian Users Consortium? daniel [1] I'm not sure if it's written correctly, sorry... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
