Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-14 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Sunday 15 July 2007 01:36, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Huh?  Distributing computer games without the necessary permission
> under applicable youth protection laws is already forbidden.
[..]
> planetpenguin-racer is affected as well.  It doesn't matter whether
> the game is violent or not.  There's only an exception for mostly
> educational games.

Wasn't there another exception if the game(s) is(/are) part of some bigger 
software bundle, i.e. a linux distribution?


regards,
Holger


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Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Sven Hoexter:

> Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>> * Malte Hahlbeck:
>> 
>>> Today the upper House of the German Parliament (Bundesrat)
>>> decided to declare Security Software like nmap, nessus etc.
>> 
>> nmap (and probably Nessus as well, which is non-free these days
>> anyway) are unlikely to be covered by the new law.  I'm less sure
>> about packages such as john.

> Well the wording of the law is so vague that it needs to be seen
> against whom and what kind of software it will be used. While it
> should have created legal certainty it looks like it's going to be a
> huge mess which has to be cleaned up by judges.

Law tends to be technology-neutral, which has obvious benefits (and
some downsides).  What's causing people headaches is not a
technological weakness, but a legal one ("abstraktes
Gefährdungsdelikt" has tons of unwanted implications).

>> Technically, this is nothing new.  Keep in mind that we haven't got
>> permission to distribute most games in Germany, either.

> This issue might come up again if some plans for a new revision of
> those laws in question would be approved.

Huh?  Distributing computer games without the necessary permission
under applicable youth protection laws is already forbidden.

> And this time it could get interesting to see if someone has the
> will to argue about Q3A based games.

planetpenguin-racer is affected as well.  It doesn't matter whether
the game is violent or not.  There's only an exception for mostly
educational games.

> A security researcher or network admin might even argue that the law
> is against our constitution because it limits his free choice for a
> profession in an over exaggerated way.

Well, a pimp could claim that as well.  Keep in mind that most
security researchers aren't.



The Debian 500000th bug contest

2007-07-14 Thread Christian Perrier
(reply set to -curiosa to avoid cluttering up other lists. I did not
found this very appropriate for d-d-a)

Please remember that the Debian 50th bug contest is still
opened. As I completely forgot about reminding the enthusiast crowd
about this very important event, I extend the bet period by one week.

For those who missed the original annoucement (I even can't find it
myself, I really suck at announcing things), the contest is very
simple:

There are good chances that the Debian BTS will turn the #50 mark
at some moment during the etch->lenny release cycle.

In order to make this more fun, a small contest has been set up. The
principle is very simple: please place a bet (one per person) about
the day this bug will be reported. The place for bets is the
http://wiki.debian.org/50thBugContest wiki page.

The winner(s) will be the person(s) placing her|his|their bet as close
as possible of the real moment bug #50 is reported.

Bets are opened until July 22nd 2007 00:00UTC (hoping that I'll
remember about closing the page).

In case you care:
Bug #10 was reported June 7th 2001
Bug #20 was reported July 4th 2003
Bug #30 was reported March 17th 2005
Bug #40 was reported Nov 23rd 2006

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