Re: packages

2009-01-15 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:37:31AM +1100, Craig Small wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:17:04PM -0800, Ashley Ward wrote:
  I'm interested in learning how debian is able to have so many
  packages maintained. What is the process you use to compile them.
  How do you keep up with all the different software sources?
 

snip craig's intro 

 Next we have about 20 architectures that most packages need to be built
 on.  Generally a package is uploaded once and works on a standard PC
 (i386). We have a bunch of systems called buildd[1] that take the
 new packages and builds them for the other architectures.

I have an (incomplete  out-of-date) diagram of the way in which the
software building process is automated here[0]. As was noted, Debian has
a lot of packages and to make this useable in a reasonible time frame,
a lot of automation is required for ever part of the Debian system.
There are bug trackers, software package status pages, software package
builders, multiple communication channels (irc -- for realtime
communication, mailing lists for regular asynchrous discussions,
world-wide meeting to deal with long-term project goals or single
topics, bug sprints). There are also tools that check the packages
before they are included in the distro like lintian so that the software
package meets some basic project standards, and tools that handle the
migration from the 'unstable' stream to the 'testing' stream.  Debian
developer are always busy maintaining or developing tools to make their
jobs easier.  
Hope that answers some more of your question. Feel free to ask a more
specific question if needed. 
-K

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written delegations

2009-01-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:15:22PM -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
 Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
  Le Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:45:40AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
 
  I see much more gain in update the description of what does FTP masters
  do ( http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/FTPMaster ) than in renaming the
  team.
 
  Or better, having a written DPL delegation rather than an oral tradition…
 
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/04/msg7.html

Sure, for the who there is already such a written trace. But I was actually
thinking about the what. That would be in particular useful for newcommers,
and would prevent drifts. For instance, we just had a discussion on sections.
How can one guess that it is the FTP team – rather than for instance the
release team or the developers themselves – that is responsable for deciding
which package is in which section, if one came to Debian after the archive was
reorganised into pools? More painfully, we just had two GRs which originate in
a disagreement about what delegates are delegated to do. Definitely, written
delegations could be really useful to Debian to clarify prerogatives and
responsabilities, and avoid misunderstandings.

(added to http://wiki.debian.org/DiscussionsAfterLenny )

Have a nice day,

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Re: written delegations

2009-01-15 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:16:18PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
 Definitely, written delegations could be really useful to Debian to
 clarify prerogatives and responsabilities, and avoid
 misunderstandings.

Sorry, but this sounds like micro-managing delegates to me.  If you
think sections are under-documented see whether you can improve on
policy or the developer's reference maybe.


Michael


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Debconf Group Photos needed

2009-01-15 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi,

for designing a poster I am searching for group photos of the following
Debconfs:

* Debconf 2
* Debconf 3
* Debconf 4

They should have reasonable size for printing on large-size posters.

Hints and links welcome, as well as eMailed once.

Greetings
Martin

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Re: Bits from the DPL

2009-01-15 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Steve McIntyre [Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:08:39 +]:

 Declassification of debian-private archives
 ---
 Back in December 2005, we agreed in a GR [16] that we should start
 declassifying (at least some of) the contents of the debian-private
 mailing list once three years had passed. Well, that's now... If we're
 going to follow through on that resolution, we will need volunteers to
 start working on this. If you're interested in joining a team to do
 that, please let me know. There's probably a lot of boring work to be
 done here, but I'm hoping we can find some way to automate much of
 it. :-)

Since [1] got no negative feedback, I opened RT#993 to ask for the
creation of declassify-t...@debian.org. (Unfortunately before I knew a
call for a team would be made in the Bits mail, otherwise I would've
waited.) But this was acked by leader@, and the alias is operative now.
(It just goes to an mbox in master, nobody is behind the forward yet.)

  [1]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2008/12/msg00149.html

Cheers,

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Pytanie w sprawie współpracy oraz rozwoju obu stron.

2009-01-15 Thread i...@hackzone.pl

Mam pytanie odnośnie reklamy na swojej stronie.
Czy pytania oraz propozycje wpółpracy mam kierować do Państwa czy też  
do głównej siedziby Debiana?
Buduję nowy serwis poświęcony tematyce zabezpieczenia serwerów,  
planowany start 11 march 2009.

Pozdrawiam:
Adrian Leppich
:::www.hackzone.pl:::

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