Debian Day 2009 around the world?
Hello, There are already six Brazilian cities and one at Nicaragua preparing Debian Day 2009 events. (some are almost true IT conferences) Are there other cities at other countries [0] preparing such events? Please, spread the word and edit [0] to include other cities. Regards. Andre Felipe Machado [0] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay2009 Paul Wise wrote .. I suggest writing to debian-project if you want to find out about more Debian Day 2009 events, I doubt debian-publicity has any where near as many developers subscribed. -- bye, pabs
Synchronising with Ubuntu
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 03:55:16PM +, Anthony Towns wrote: etch: 2006/12 - 2007/04 (decent hit for feisty's import freeze) lenny: 2008/07 - 2009/02 (decent hit for jaunty's import freeze) dapper and hardy are the two Ubuntu LTS releases so far, dapper reached its desktop end-of-life a couple of weeks ago. feisty hit its end-of-life in October last year. I'm just extrapolating from karmic's release schedule; I haven't checked the schedules weren't different historically. Based on that, comparing universe packages in etch-vs-feisty and lenny-vs-jaunty for version differences, and any differences in security updates could be interesting, actually. Turns out it kind-of is, too. First, basics: etch: froze in December 2006, released in April 2007; still supported feisty: DebianImportFreeze in Dec 2006, UpstreamVersionFreeze in Feb 2007, released in April 2007; support ended October 2008 Comparison between etch/main and feisty/main+universe by source: 6874 exact same source 132 only in Debian 2273 only in Ubuntu 600 newer upstream version in Debian 1538 newer upstream version in Ubuntu 1079 Ubuntu has Vebian bersion with ubuntuXX patch As at today (2009/08/11) etch/feisty security support compare as follows: 63 packages with security updates in both Debian and Ubuntu (11 same version, 8 where Debian has new upstram, 28 where Ubuntu has new upstream, 16 where Ubuntu applied patches to Debian version) 5 updates in Debian to Debian only packages 7 updates in Ubuntu to Ubuntu only packages 31 updates in Debian to packages with the exact same source in Ubuntu 6 updates in Ubuntu to packages with the exact same source in Debian (!) 42 packages updated in Debian but not Ubuntu (6 where Debian has newer upstream, 30 where Ubuntu has newer upstream, and 6 with ubuntuXX patches) 15 packages updated in Ubuntu but not Debian (4 where Debian has newer upstream, 6 where Ubuntu has newer upstream, and 5 with ubuntuXX patches) Of the 31 updates Ubuntu's missing, only one is from feisty/main, and that lcms 1.15-1.1+etch3, which was DSA-1684-1 (etch1), DSA-1745-1 (etch2) and DSA-1745-2 (etch3), which were released on Dec 10, 2008, March 20, 2009 and March 25, 2009; well after feisty's end of life in October 2008. The 6 updates it seems like should be a no-brainer for Debian to pull are: clamcour 0.2.2-1.2+feisty2 universe/mail dansguardian 2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-4build1~feisty2 universe/web denyhosts 2.6-1ubuntu0.1 universe/net dircproxy 1.0.5-5ubuntu0.1 universe/net dokuwiki 0.0.20061106-6ubuntu0.1 universe/web jasper 1.701.0-2ubuntu0.7.04 libs The only USN I can find covering these is for jasper, namely USN-501-1. In any event, seems like there's more room for collaboration there at first glance. I've half done the same analysis for lenny/jaunty; but apparently it's time for pizza. Cheers, aj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: On cadence and collaboration
Le mardi 11 août 2009 à 02:48 +0300, Martin-Éric Racine a écrit : It is my opinion that freezing after GNOME releases (and gets into testing) would be better for Debian. This means either April or October, depending on which GNOME release we want to ship. I think that this point truly deserves to be discussed for a number of reasons. Personally, I think that releasing a new distribution right after GNOME or KDE has produced a new major version is an extremely bad idea, because the X.XX.0 release of anything tends to have too many rough edges (feature regressions, out of sync translations, etc.) that usually need further polishing via X.XX.1 and X.XX.2 releases before a new major desktop release becomes truly usable by non-technical people i.e. not requiring any workaround for some stupid regression that gets fixed later in point releases, much after the initial distribution release has started shipping with X.XX.0. Which is precisely why, during freezes, the release team lets migrate minor releases for GNOME packages, based on the strict policies upstream adopts during stable cycles. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in `- future understand things” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Synchronising with Ubuntu
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:42:24PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Comparison between etch/main and feisty/main+universe by source: As at today (2009/08/11) etch/feisty security support compare as follows: 63 packages with security updates in both Debian and Ubuntu (11 Hmm, let's try that again. I was missing a few things... Also, comparisons for lenny against intrepid and jaunty (both of which are still supported, though neither are LTS). etch vs feisty == 6874 (55%) same version 132 ( 1%) only in Debian 2273 (18%) only in Ubuntu 195 ( 2%) Debian has newer upstream 405 ( 3%) Debian has newer patches 868 ( 7%) Ubuntu has newer upstream 670 ( 5%) Ubuntu has newer Debian patches 1079 ( 9%) Ubuntu has ubuntuX patches 125 packages with security updates in both Debian and Ubuntu 28 same version 2 Debian has newer upstream 18 Debian has newer patches 37 Ubuntu has newer upstream 15 Ubuntu has newer Debian patches 25 Ubuntu has ubuntuX patches 12 updates in Debian to Debian only packages 15 updates in Ubuntu to Ubuntu only packages 68 updates in Debian to packages with the exact same source in Ubuntu 10 updates in Ubuntu to packages with the exact same source in Debian 87 packages updated in Debian but not Ubuntu 3 Debian has newer upstream 15 Debian has newer patches 33 Ubuntu has newer upstream 21 Ubuntu has newer Debian patches 15 Ubuntu has ubuntuX patches 34 packages updated in Ubuntu but not Debian 1 Debian has newer upstream 10 Debian has newer patches 10 Ubuntu has newer upstream 4 Ubuntu has newer Debian patches 9 Ubuntu has ubuntuX patches Updates in Debian for packages not in Debian: linux-2.6.24 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2 devel openssh-blacklist 0.1.1 net Packages Debian should pull advisories for: clamcour 0.2.2-1.2 mail dansguardian 2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-2 web denyhosts 2.6-1 net dircproxy 1.0.5-5 net dokuwiki 0.0.20061106-6 web jasper 1.701.0-2 libs python-clamav 0.3.3-2.1 python sylpheed-claws 1.0.5-5.1 mail xemacs21 21.4.19-2 editors xfsdump 2.2.38-1 admin (NB: denyhosts 2.6-1etch1 and dircproxy 1.0.5-5etch1 were included in 4.0r3, but didn't have a security.d.o upload, afaics. This is effectively considering someone who has a DVD of etch r0 and otherwise only updates from security.d.o) Updates in Ubuntu for packages not in Ubuntu: openssh-blacklist 0.1-1ubuntu0.7.04.1 net openssl-blacklist 0.3.3+0.4-0ubuntu0.7.04.2 net openvpn-blacklist 0.1-0ubuntu0.7.04.1 universe/net pyclamd 0.1.1-0ubuntu1~feisty2 universe/python Packages Ubuntu should pull advisories for: (well, if it weren't already past it's use-by...) lcms 1.15-1 libs[DSA 1684-1, 1745-1, 1745-2] mtr 0.71-2 net [DSA 1587-1] netpbm-free 2:10.0-11 graphics [DSA 1579-1] afuse 0.1.1-1 universe/utils alsaplayer 0.99.76-9 universe/sound b2evolution 0.9.2-3 universe/web backup-manager 0.7.5-3 universe/admin bochs 2.3-2 universe/misc camlimages 2.20-8 universe/devel centericq 4.21.0-18 universe/net cscope 15.6-2 universe/devel devil 1.6.7-5 universe/libs eggdrop 1.6.18-1 universe/net exiftags 0.98-1 universe/graphics feta 1.4.15 universe/admin flamethrower 0.1.8-1 universe/admin gallery2 2.1.2-2 universe/web gnome-peercast 0.5.4-1.1 universe/gnome hf 0.7.3-4 universe/hamradio hyperestraier 1.4.9-1.1 universe/text imp4 4.1.3-4 universe/web inotify-tools 3.3-1 universe/misc jailer 0.4-9 universe/admin kazehakase 0.4.2-1 universe/web kronolith2 2.1.4-1 universe/web ldapscripts 1.4-2 universe/admin libcdaudio 0.99.12p2-2 universe/libs libdbd-pg-perl 1.49-2 universe/perl libfishsound 0.7.0-2 universe/misc libnss-ldap 251-7.5 universe/net libpam-krb5 2.6-1 universe/net libphp-phpmailer 1.73-2 universe/web libtk-img 1:1.3-15 universe/devel loop-aes-utils 2.12r-15 universe/admin maradns 1.2.12.04-1 universe/net memcached 1.1.12-1 universe/web newsx 1.6-2 universe/news nsd 2.3.6-1 universe/net open-iscsi 2.0.730-1 universe/net openswan 1:2.4.6+dfsg.2-1.1 universe/net otrs2 2.0.4p01-17 universe/web pdns-recursor 3.1.4-1 universe/net peercast 0.1217.toots.20060314-1 universe/sound php-xajax 0.2.4-2 universe/web phpbb2 2.0.21-6 universe/web phppgadmin 4.0.1-3.1 universe/web phpwiki 1.3.12p3-5 universe/web refpolicy 0.0.20061018-5 universe/admin reprepro 1.3.1-1 universe/utils ruby-gnome2 0.15.0-1.1 universe/interpreters ruby1.9 1.9.0+20060609-1 universe/interpreters scponly 4.6-1 universe/utils serendipity 1.0.4-1 universe/web slash 2.2.6-8 universe/web sork-passwd-h3 3.0-2 universe/web splitvt 1.6.5-9 universe/utils streamripper 1.61.27-1 universe/sound strongswan 2.8.0+dfsg-1
To whom it may concern [was Re: Bug#541013: O: at -- Delayed job execution and batch processing]
Hi all, sorry to carry this over to d-project but IMHO the BTS is not the right place for the dispute below, moreover I'd like to learn what Debian's current consent in these matters is. appropriate Cc:s set. I had to pipe Sandro's original message through sed -e 's/NO!!! No lp/No lp please/' before I calmed down enough for a moderate response. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:26 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:20, Siggy Brentrupdeb...@psycho.i21k.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:11 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: [For your understanding: I snipped this paragraph stating I have to skim ] [over some old tapes from '00 to retrieve an almost complete rewrite of at] [*I didn't ask Sandro for any help*. cf Bug#541013 if interested ] I suggest to form a team around it: you're welcome to join (I suppose) but I *will not* lead it. Given I decide to look after and find the code, I'll announce a lp project. No lp please! here is debian, we got alioth - use it. Please don't tell me what to do with *my code* should I ever retrieve it. But, as I already told you on another thread, I won't contribute substantially to Debian without having a vote (nagged DAM on sunday). You repeat it at each mail, but you should really bother DAM not each recipients of your messages (because I doubt it will gives your any result). Only if asked for help :) an O: being a corner case I admit. ATM I'm looking for my place in the OSS world, I'd prefer Debian but I am no patient guy, 4 weeks w/o any reaction not even an acknowledgement of receipt are akin to a denial for me. It's easy: I won't bother you anymore with this if you don't ask me to contribute or help. and I'll refrain from following up to O:, RFH: c. You don't need to be a DD to help with packaging. You don't need to be a DD to help with bug triaging. You don't need to be a DD to help with patching code. You don't need to be a DD to upload packages (DM status). You don't need to be a DD to form an alioth team. You don't need to be a DD to join an alioth team and do work there. Guess what, having been a DD from '95 to '04 I read and to a very small extent participated in the discussions leading to what you are telling me here. It's my impression from the last weeks I've been lurking around on d-devel that Debian has changed a lot not only from the early days with Ian Murdock and Bruce Perens as DPL but even from '04 when I silently left not only the OSS world due to a malady. So, if you want to help Debian, you're very much welcome, but not doing because you're not a DD (anymore) it's fscking damn wrong. I'd suggest you stop cursing, please calm down *before* hitting the send button. To sum it up, you know my decision, please respect it. The rest of my lifetime is too precious to be wasted in pointless discussions. Making things easy for DAM: if I still see no reaction on his part during the next week, I understand it as a denial and I'm no longer interested in reopening my account. Sadly-yours Siggy -- Please don't Cc: me when replying, I might not see either copy. bsb-at-psycho-dot-informationsanarchistik-dot-de or:bsb-at-psycho-dot-i21k-dot-de O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: To whom it may concern [was Re: Bug#541013: O: at -- Delayed job execution and batch processing]
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:53, Siggy Brentrupdeb...@psycho.i21k.de wrote: Hi all, sorry to carry this over to d-project but IMHO the BTS is not the right place for the dispute below, moreover I'd like to learn what Debian's current consent in these matters is. appropriate Cc:s set. I had to pipe Sandro's original message through sed -e 's/NO!!! No lp/No lp please/' before I calmed down enough for a moderate response. no comment. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:26 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:20, Siggy Brentrupdeb...@psycho.i21k.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:11 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: [For your understanding: I snipped this paragraph stating I have to skim ] [over some old tapes from '00 to retrieve an almost complete rewrite of at] [*I didn't ask Sandro for any help*. cf Bug#541013 if interested ] so exactly, what do YOU want? I suggest to form a team around it: you're welcome to join (I suppose) but I *will not* lead it. Given I decide to look after and find the code, I'll announce a lp project. No lp please! here is debian, we got alioth - use it. Please don't tell me what to do with *my code* should I ever retrieve it. it's not your code. I filed the bug, so I have a bit of responsibility to hand it to capable people. Luckily other guys already started doing the work, instead of only talking. On alioth of course... But, as I already told you on another thread, I won't contribute substantially to Debian without having a vote (nagged DAM on sunday). You repeat it at each mail, but you should really bother DAM not each recipients of your messages (because I doubt it will gives your any result). Only if asked for help :) an O: being a corner case I admit. ATM I'm looking for my place in the OSS world, I'd prefer Debian but I am no patient guy, 4 weeks w/o any reaction not even an acknowledgement of receipt are akin to a denial for me. It's easy: I won't bother you anymore with this if you don't ask me to contribute or help. and I'll refrain from following up to O:, RFH: c. You don't need to be a DD to help with packaging. You don't need to be a DD to help with bug triaging. You don't need to be a DD to help with patching code. You don't need to be a DD to upload packages (DM status). You don't need to be a DD to form an alioth team. You don't need to be a DD to join an alioth team and do work there. Guess what, having been a DD from '95 to '04 I read and to a very small extent participated in the discussions leading to what you are telling me here. well, you keep repeating if DAM does not accept me again, I won't do anything - it seems you dont know the above situation. So, if you want to help Debian, you're very much welcome, but not doing because you're not a DD (anymore) it's fscking damn wrong. I'd suggest you stop cursing, please calm down *before* hitting the send button. I am calm, it's you that's overreacting... To sum it up, you know my decision, please respect it. The rest of my lifetime is too precious to be wasted in pointless discussions. I beg my pardon to have wasted so precious time... Making things easy for DAM: if I still see no reaction on his part during the next week, I understand it as a denial and I'm no longer interested in reopening my account. Have fun in whatever you'll do. Regards, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reopening my account b...@debian.org
On 11837 March 1977, Bernd Brentrup wrote: ATM my standard response to requests for help is: nag DAM, I won't do any substantial work for Debian without having a vote. This is surely the wrong attitude. What's your decision? I'd really like to contribute to Debian again, but there are other interesting projects around where I don't have to wait endlessly for any reaction. Thats pretty easy: You did not retire following the defined procedure, so your key is in the removed-keys keyring. There is no easy emeritus way for those to come back. You have to pass the normal NM procedure. On 11839 March 1977, Siggy Brentrup wrote: It's my impression from the last weeks I've been lurking around on d-devel that Debian has changed a lot not only from the early days with Ian Murdock and Bruce Perens as DPL but even from '04 when I silently left not only the OSS world due to a malady. Which is a good thing. Not changing means starving means death. So, if you want to help Debian, you're very much welcome, but not doing because you're not a DD (anymore) it's fscking damn wrong. I'd suggest you stop cursing, please calm down *before* hitting the send button. He is right. -- bye, Joerg Wrecktum Deine Größe macht mich klein @joerg doll Wrecktum du darfst mein Bestrafer sein (!) Wrecktum was kicked from #german by joerg [ok] pgpWRxpF5o7KB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Synchronising with Ubuntu
On 2009-08-11, Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au wrote: (NB: denyhosts 2.6-1etch1 and dircproxy 1.0.5-5etch1 were included in 4.0r3, but didn't have a security.d.o upload, afaics. This is effectively considering someone who has a DVD of etch r0 and otherwise only updates =66rom security.d.o) Sorry, but the contradicts current practise of the security team to not pull a full DSA for minor security issues (at the discretion of the security team) but push them through proposed-updates instead. Apparently the DSA process is too time consuming for those and the security team wants to spend the time on other issues. (Of course the DSA process might need some helper scripts and a reliable buildd infrastructure to consume less.) Kind regards, Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To whom it may concern [was Re: Bug#541013: O: at -- Delayed job execution and batch processing]
On 2009-08-11, Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org wrote: No lp please! here is debian, we got alioth - use it. Please don't tell me what to do with *my code* should I ever retrieve it. it's not your code. I filed the bug, so I have a bit of responsibility to hand it to capable people. Luckily other guys already started doing the work, instead of only talking. On alioth of course... I don't see what's wrong with hosting a project on LP using bzr as DVCS if one takes it over. Really, I don't. If one wants to take over upstream development of something then it's fine and we should be happy and (s)he gets to choose. (I am not discussing this concrete case however.) LP is even open source now. You do not get to force people to use Alioth. Kind regards, Philipp 'Who doesn't like bzr, but that's another matter entirely' Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To whom it may concern [was Re: Bug#541013: O: at -- Delayed job execution and batch processing]
Hi, * Siggy Brentrup deb...@psycho.i21k.de [2009-08-11 21:00]: sorry to carry this over to d-project but IMHO the BTS is not the right place for the dispute below, moreover I'd like to learn what Debian's current consent in these matters is. [...] Reading through the whole mail I think a PM would be a better place than -project. Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - n...@jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0 For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpO4NlOunfAd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: To whom it may concern [was Re: Bug#541013: O: at -- Delayed job execution and batch processing]
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 21:13 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:53, Siggy Brentrupdeb...@psycho.i21k.de wrote: Hi all, sorry to carry this over to d-project but IMHO the BTS is not the right place for the dispute below, moreover I'd like to learn what Debian's current consent in these matters is. appropriate Cc:s set. I had to pipe Sandro's original message through sed -e 's/NO!!! No lp/No lp please/' before I calmed down enough for a moderate response. no comment. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:26 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:20, Siggy Brentrupdeb...@psycho.i21k.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:11 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: [For your understanding: I snipped this paragraph stating I have to skim ] [over some old tapes from '00 to retrieve an almost complete rewrite of at] ^^^ [*I didn't ask Sandro for any help*. cf Bug#541013 if interested ] so exactly, what do YOU want? I suggest to form a team around it: you're welcome to join (I suppose) but I *will not* lead it. Given I decide to look after and find the code, I'll announce a lp project. No lp please! here is debian, we got alioth - use it. Please don't tell me what to do with *my code* should I ever retrieve it. it's not your code. Maybe I should have added 'from scratch', there is not a single line written by T-Rex in that code. I meant the rewrite from scratch being almost complete you understood sth different. EOT Siggy -- Please don't Cc: me when replying, I might not see either copy. bsb-at-psycho-dot-informationsanarchistik-dot-de or:bsb-at-psycho-dot-i21k-dot-de O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
